[Spoilers] Thanks for blowing your chance...

You had me lift an eye brow at one part of the main scenario. You had the best chance to raise my hopes just a tad with one of the dumb scions, and blew that right out the window.
You just showed me how little effort you put into the main scenario, and making the characters painful to watch.

When Moenbryna died what was I supposed to feel for this character who was barely present in the game? Her death was so pathetic, it would have meant something had you know, the other characters actually responded to her death. No, you screw it all up by everyone getting over with it in the next cutscene, practically.

Had Urianger fell to the ground, pulled his hood and glasses off, and wept maybe I would felt some pity for him. Or maybe one of the other scions that had been here the whole time bit the dust I would felt something of joy cause it would been about god damn time something interesting happened. or if Minifilia died I would have ran around the streets naked jumping for joy.

You had you shot to do something interesting, now I will never be interested the main scenario, unless it involves anyone not related to the scions, or grand companies. Great job, feel proud of yourselves for that one developers... take 5 minutes to come up with this scenario?

Did you pay attention to Urinager's voice?

When you consider that

We're no strangers to love
You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment's what I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other guy

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand

Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry, never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

it all makes more sense

Ugh, Velox.
I knew, and yet I still kept on going.

Also sideburns Ascian guy stood around explaining his only weakness to everyone.

Minfilia had no clue that the staff was the last piece of the puzzle to killing Ascians.

"You seriously don't know how powerful that staff is? It could kill me easily. Well I will be leaving then... oh crap."

Not trying to be a downer, I love the story of this patch, it's just that some things happen too conveniently.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mholito

Did you pay attention to Urinager's voice?

---

Did I pay attention to his voice? Why yes I did! He sounded mildly distressed, but couldn't understand what he was saying.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Did I pay attention to his voice? Why yes I did! He sounded mildly distressed, but couldn't understand what he was saying.

---

The tone of his voice was slightly different. You could tell he was trying to hold back his sadness. He isn't the type to cry while there are others present, which is why he wanted to mourn Moenbryda's death alone.

You could hear the tremble in his voice when he first walked into the room. At least I did.
Also many people react like this when struck with sudden pain and grief. I would do the same in his stead I think. Toughen it up in the start and then cry it out alone somewhere later.
That scene made my eyes tear up a little when I heard Uriangers voice when he announced he'd overheard.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mholito

The tone of his voice was slightly different. You could tell he was trying to hold back his sadness. He isn't the type to cry while there are others present, which is why he wanted to mourn Moenbryda's death alone.

---

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Blackhalo

You could hear the tremble in his voice when he first walked into the room. At least I did.
Also many people react like this when struck with sudden pain and grief. I would do the same in his stead I think. Toughen it up in the start and then cry it out alone somewhere later.
That scene made my eyes tear up a little when I heard Uriangers voice when he announced he'd overheard.

---

I could hear his voice (Then again it was in English so), I was expecting more. And it's hard to feel bad for a character that shows up for a few scenes then dies. I have no attachment to the scions/gcs, I would very much like there to be.

Look at Markiplier's playthrough of "To the Moon" It's 2d and it's not very long. But the main character you go through his life learning all his tragedies and happy moments.

He had a twin brother who died when he was young. I have a twin brother, and so thinking about what life would be like if he died tomorrow hurts. I now have an attachment to his character so when the doctors simulated what his life was like with his brother as if he never died I cried myself to sleep that night.

The main scenario, has terrible npc to character relations. It's just we accept what they ask. No real time for backstory or what not. It's infuriating/sad when they drop new characters and you're going "oh they'll be dead or a traitor soon"

It's kinda sad too that Moenbryda died too early, her character is pretty cool (also her voice lol) and pretty unique that she become scholar with warrior weapon.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eul

It's kinda sad too that Moenbryda died too early, her character is pretty cool (also her voice lol) and pretty unique that she become scholar with warrior weapon.

---

a scholar is not the same as a Scholar. a Scholar is someone who is of the Scholar job (which, in Eorzean lore, is soley the your player character since he/she was privy to the lost art of the Nymians). A scholar is someone who is "learned." A MRD can be a scholar, but it can also be a smithy, a teacher, a babysitter, a lawyer, a cook, or whatever profession/hobby it wants to be. In fact, all of the members of the Circle of Knowing are scholars, as they focus mainly on accumulated knowledge. :)

The thing about FFXIV, you can't really take our "jobs" at face value. They are completely separate from Eorzean professions and/or hobbies.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Had Urianger fell to the ground, pulled his hood and glasses off, and wept maybe I would felt some pity for him.

---

I would've started wondering whether the Ascians or some other strange force were possessing him because that goes so completely against his character.

Moenbryda is the most (only) interesting new character in a good long while and immediately became my favorite among the scions. Killing her of instead of one of the stale originals who played virtually no role in the latest patches (Thancred is just asking to be killed of at this point) was a travesty. Shame on you Yoshi.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

The main scenario, has terrible npc to character relations. It's just we accept what they ask. No real time for backstory or what not. It's infuriating/sad when they drop new characters and you're going "oh they'll be dead or a traitor soon"

---

except the story's actually gotten better about that

If you go with that complaint about characters then it's because you directly go with a "don't care for this fela" attitude from the get go, and thus, don't feel any character is interesting.

I really liked Moenbryda. On the short time she has been with us, we got to learn quite more than we probably should have, and listening and thinking of all the conversations, you can go further with the experience.

I also recommend chatting with the character if its possible, even if you don't exactly require to proceed. You will get something out of them sometimes that might tell you who they are and so forth.

Well I got teary eyed watching the scenes, and she was pretty cool is was hoping she would have stayed around definitely killed too soon I mean we knew her for what one patch?

Consider - from a writer's POV - that everything introduced must have reason or purpose. In the brief time, Moenbryda fulfilled several of her own personal goals, and gave the Warrior of Light and the Scions answers, a renewed conviction, and purpose. To just keep her around arbitrarily after that would see her fall into obscurity; there just to be there. She HAD to either leave or die. And while the Scions had lost members before, the loss never hit so close to home as with Moen. Now it's personal. The Ascians are no longer the eyes in the dark staring at them, and Nabriales confirmed that, noting that your Blessing of Light (and their forced restraint) is now gone. A fact that I'm a little upset was so easily glossed over, but given the situation, I could see it getting lost in the mix.

Amidst all the other threats they face, the Ascians just took #1 on the hit list. We all liked Moenbryda. She was that warm, folksy kind of lightheartedness the otherwise too-serious Scions needed at that point. But she played her part, and she herself realized it, thus she exited, stage left.

I may be overglamorizing it, but Moenbryda's sacrifice is to FFXIV what Aerith's death was to FFVII. That polarizing shot to the heart that makes the audience/heroes say "you've gone too far", and truly steel themselves for the battles ahead. And Sormy's (I'm calling mini-Midgardsormr "Sormy") cryptic "there will be others" was the sobering reminder that no one - apparently not even the Warrior of Light is safe now. The game has changed, and the threat is elevated.

I cried. Like, for real actual tears, snot, everything, when Urianger showed up. To me it was obvious that he was devastated.

I really liked Moenbryda. Maybe it's the Roegadyn thing, I don't know. Also, we had the same axe. But i'm going to miss her. I kinda felt like I had a sister in the Scions with her around...

Having watched a lot of foreign films especially Japanese and Chinese. They don't grieve like we do. They are more solemn about it and to me this fits exactly with what is illustrated. You could see by the expressions on everyone's face and to even have the memorial. They are all professionals fighting a war. They knew what the cost was and that it was bound to happen. It all was made clear with the Urianger acted in the CS following. You could tell he was going to miss his friend and dare I say maybe former lover. They had a thing more than just friendship

I agree with the op, the concept of Moen's character was imo very good. This could have been a very noteworthy event, this was the right time in plot and the right character to kill. Storytelling wise it fell flat for me and most I've discussed it with because the revelations happened too fast, and they were buried under exposition overkill.

To use a previous example this could have been the Arieth/Aries moment, what we got was that stuffed animal cait sith just got smooshed, who cares.

If there are people who are able to grow attached to a character after they were introduced not too long ago, then it shows that SE did good in the "hey I like this guy/gal, would be a shame if... NOOOO!" story-telling.

I'm seeing a pattern where any new characters linked to either the scions or scholars of Baldesion are given the hook cane out of the story so SE doesn't have to include them in the expansion (e.g. G'raha, Moenbryda). Yugiri gets to stay since she has a game development purpose (being the new race), but maybe SE will yank her off one day as well. Unless they want a sudden surprise for the players in a reuniting sense, farther in the expansion's storyline, who knows, just my speculation.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mholito

The tone of his voice was slightly different. You could tell he was trying to hold back his sadness. He isn't the type to cry while there are others present, which is why he wanted to mourn Moenbryda's death alone.

---

"I will mourn for her in my own way"
*Goes back to Waking Sands, alone*

...haha I have a dirty mind sometimes.

I wish she was around for one more patch. I felt like her death was a bit too soon.

I got legit feels from this scene being as I lost someone dear to me IRL not long before 2.5 came out. And U'riange's reaction was exactly the same as mine. I was heart broken but wasn't going to show it infront of others. Remember he also very quickly excused him self to The Waking Sands where he undoubtedly shut him self in the library and proceeded to break down in privet. I know I waited till I was alone that evening to brake down my self.

When you're a pillar of strength to people as U'riange is to the Scions and I am to many people IRL your pride forbids you from others seeing you like that. So the last thing people like the two of us do is let others see us crying.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

I got legit feels from this scene being as I lost someone dear to me IRL not long before 2.5 came out. And U'riange's reaction was exactly the same as mine. I was heart broken but wasn't going to show it infront of others. Remember he also very quickly excused him self to The Waking Sands where he undoubtedly shut him self in the library and proceeded to break down in privet. I know I waited till I was alone that evening to brake down my self.

When you're a pillar of strength to people as U'riange is to the Scions and I am to many people IRL your pride forbids you from others seeing you like that. So the last thing people like the two of us do is let others see us crying.

---

Try talking to Urianger in The Waking Sands, if you want some more feels. The poor guy really needs a hug.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mholito

Try talking to Urianger in The Waking Sands, if you want some more feels. The poor guy really needs a hug.

---

I did. T.T I wanted to tell him I knew how he felt but he can't here me through the UI.

On a side note I felt the strong need to comfort Minfilia when she was having her brake down as well. She was really broken after all of this was said and done.

I was more concerned about my character just standing there when Moenbryda was first hit by Nabriales' dark bolt of energy. Why didn't my character at least run over and kneel beside her?

He just stood there with a "well, this is awkward" look on his face..

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cynthis

Moenbryda is the most (only) interesting new character in a good long while and immediately became my favorite among the scions. Killing her of instead of one of the stale originals who played virtually no role in the latest patches (Thancred is just asking to be killed of at this point) was a travesty.

---

I agree, we need to have a Scion get killed off to raise the stakes a little. Thancred should've died at the end of Prae, imo. But at this point, it's basically a given that we won't lose anyone important and new people will just get added to be killed off later, which is a (predictable) waste, imo.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Eltaire

I was more concerned about my character just standing there when Moenbryda was first hit by Nabriales' dark bolt of energy. Why didn't my character at least run over and kneel beside her?

He just stood there with a "well, this is awkward" look on his face..

---

Well I do remember in the CS we did at least check on her before porting off. It was more like "Moenbryda, are you dead?" <Groan> "Yep she's good."

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tayolynn

I'm seeing a pattern where any new characters linked to either the scions or scholars of Baldesion are given the hook cane out of the story so SE doesn't have to include them in the expansion (e.g. G'raha, Moenbryda). [...] Unless they want a sudden surprise for the players in a reuniting sense, farther in the expansion's storyline, who knows, just my speculation.

---

Moenbryda will definitely appear in flashbacks in the expansion, and maybe even as a ghost when Urianger needs her most. G'raha, I can't really see reappearing (even though his FF3 counterpart did), simply because of how badly the CT ending wanted to beat you over the head with how you'll never see him again, even if you wanted to, because of this "noble" thing that only he his blood can do.

Though I'd love them to prove me wrong on both counts, I don't think this game has really surprised me since level 34, simply because they knew better than to foreshadow that twist.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenral

Though I'd love them to prove me wrong on both counts, I don't think this game has really surprised me since level 34, simply because they knew better than to foreshadow that twist.

---

titan is a twist?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by aisustrong

titan is a twist?

---

The immediate follow-up quest, "All Good Things"? With the quest banner of everyone happily waiting for you back at the Waking Sands? Bit of a twist, yeah.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cynthis

Moenbryda is the most (only) interesting new character in a good long while and immediately became my favorite among the scions. Killing her of instead of one of the stale originals who played virtually no role in the latest patches (Thancred is just asking to be killed of at this point) was a travesty. Shame on you Yoshi.

---

That summed it up very nicely. I honestly wish they'd have offed anyone, especially Minfilia (gods forfend we have to listen to her all through Heavensward) other than Moe Moe. I just finally caught up and couldn't believe they chose her of all the possibilities. Also, what's up with the CSes near the end of 2.55.1 involving random tertiary characters no one cared about to begin with?

I sincerely hope there's some actual ANSWERS (no pun intended) in 2.55.2 as to why we were arbitrarily stripped of our light. The vague and mildly ominous references made via Midgardsormr made absolutely no cohesive sense when compared to what Iceheart had said in the previous patch.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Cynthis

Moenbryda is the most (only) interesting new character in a good long while and immediately became my favorite among the scions. Killing her of instead of one of the stale originals who played virtually no role in the latest patches (Thancred is just asking to be killed of at this point) was a travesty. Shame on you Yoshi.

---

Well I hope you're bloody happy now.

All i know is SE is going down the right path of slaying lalas here and there.
Was hoping for 2 but 1 is still good ^^
Hopefully in 3.0 se will pick up the pace and go on a big lala witch hunt!

Remember kids, spay and neuter your Miqo'te. They are the biggest single threat to the environment of Eorzea.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Velox

When you consider that

We're no strangers to love
You know the rules and so do I
A full commitment's what I'm thinking of
You wouldn't get this from any other guy

I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand

Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry, never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you

it all makes more sense

---

I refuse you. REFUSE, YOU HEAR ME?!

But hey, for me, that scene should've fortold the beginning of the fall of the Ascians. And also the fall of the Scions themselves.
But hey, considering the Ascians are also presumably called Scions of Light, you could say that that scene symbolizes the difficulty of killing an Ascian.

All in all, at the end of that scene, I was shocked to see it. But kind of understand why they put it there. It's to show that what Lousioux did in 1.0 is almost the same as Moen. Sacrifice for the greater good.

...And then 2.55 came and I was stuck to the screen until the last of the cutscenes.