Odin and the dps check

I know its doable in df etc but i kinda wonder if the fight is a bit harder than the i95 implies as it'd be on par with shiva ex and the like.
The 2 tank method makes it a bit tougher i guess due to its strict dps check. Like i'm sure u all had that butt clenching moment when he started casting shin zantetsuken and everyone was like
"Burnnnnnnnn"
"Lbbbbbbb"
"Gogogogoo"
Then to either just win with a sec to spare or to fail at 1% hp.
I know it'll be really easy after time passes but maybe they should make it a higher ilvl as its not even extreme mode.
Also y does se have to make it healer intensive lol, it's like the siren fight except ur fighting ads at the same time.

I basically do consider him Odin Extreme at this point (even though the Auto Translate is "Urth's Fount (Hard)"). Yes, mechanically he's super simple to learn - but from the couple groups I've been able to get together and attempt it with, he requires a lot more than i95 gear to meet the DPS/healer checks involved.

Though I bloody loved the fight but I think I'd rather heal second coil because Einherjar or the Slow AoE straight into his tank buster is terrifying.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Also y does se have to make it healer intensive lol, it's like the siren fight except ur fighting ads at the same time.

---

I hope I speak for all healers when I say, BRING IT ON SE.

I love intensive healing fights, my god the adrenaline rush...SUCCOR, ALDO, PHYSICK SPAM, ON NO ITS CASTING SOMETHING VIRUS VIRUS VIRUS , POPS SACRED SOIL *INCOMING<-----P4 T12 lol ......I love fights like this lol.

As a healer I hate standing around and doing the casual. I love fights that require me to be much more and on top of my game and have a true knack for the job.... Also as a SCH I tend to make the fight more intensive as 9/10 I'm in cleric more than anything other than T13 lol .....

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

snip

---

unless they changed the way they're playing, you're talking to someone who is playing with full tanking jewelry as a WHM. that may be the main reason they find it heal intensive

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kuwagami

unless they changed the way they're playing, you're talking to someone who is playing with full tanking jewelry as a WHM. that may be the main reason they find it heal intensive

---

Are we talking about OP lol ? I can't view loadstone at the moment

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

Are we talking about OP lol ? I can't view loadstone at the moment

---

Yumi's kinda known for it.

That said though? With two actually geared i105 healers, we had an absolute hell of a time keeping up with the damage in that fight. Sometimes it's fine - and then Einherjar -> Gungnir -> Hall of Stone -> Tank Buster and it's like "welp, gg guys" because you were so busy keeping the party off of death's doorstop while trying not to get petrified that the tank has suddenly exploded. Odin's randomized patterns might be super simple, but the damage going out can be absolutely massive when he wants.

I mean I enjoy it but holy hell.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

Are we talking about OP lol ? I can't view loadstone at the moment

---

there was a famous thread where Yumi got bashed for that in 2.1's early days iirc ^^ Talking about running T1/T2 and Pharos sirius (back when people were complaining it was too hard). It has become some sort of running gag now, just like some other famous figures on the forums :p

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Garlyle

I mean I enjoy it but holy hell.

---

Intensive fights are good ^^

One can only hope they won't become total faceroll when people get used to mechanics though

Haven't tried the fight yet (trying later tonight) - but for party composition, what kind of ilvl do you all think is actually needed for the burn phase? I know many have said i95 is too low, but is the thinking that people need to build a party with mostly i110 dps or so (not sure if I'd take my 108 bard or 115 ninja, depending). Thanks for any input before I put together my group!! I'm leaning towards ninja so I can put up the 10% TA dmg during burn phase.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kuwagami

One can only hope they won't become total faceroll when people get used to mechanics though

---

There are 0 mechanics to Odin. Maybe one. The closest thing to a mechanic in the fight is that there's a set of adds you have to drop away from each other and then kill ASAP to deal with the bleed damage debuff they put on everyone. That and the damage race at the end.

That's it. The rest is all clearly visible AoEs or attacks you can't do anything about - just used in a random pattern (I think certain attacks can't be cast twice in a row, but certain ones definitely can). And everything in the fight - including the stuff you can't dodge - really, really hurts.

Quote:

---

Haven't tried the fight yet (trying later tonight) - but for party composition, what kind of ilvl do you all think is actually needed for the burn phase? I know many have said i95 is too low, but is the thinking that people need to build a party with mostly i115 dps or so (not sure if I'd take my 108 bard or 115 ninja, depending). Thanks for any input before I put together my group!!

---

If you're i100-ish and actually know what you're doing in your job, you may be able to pull it off if everyone else in your group is similarly skilled. If you don't know your rotation, I'm sorry, you can be in i130 gear and you'll still be dead weight.

Nah i'm healing it fine and was taught to throw out some dps here and there but we always reach the end but the dps just doesn't seem enough. I thought this was suppose to be content for casuals and is not included in the endgame coil tier right?
Healing it is fine but when dps start to get hit by things then you know ur either going to have to decide between healing them or prepping the tank for that tank busting move. Forgot the name lol. When casual content requires healers to dps then you know we atleast deserve to be adressed with a more suitable ilvl req.

Remembering the event version, the only time healers had to really dps was the zantetsuken race at the end (but noone got damaged at that time so np). At least if the party is half decent.

But then again, it seems to be a fight where you have to avoid any single avoidable damage to have a good chance to clear it

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Remembering the event version, the only time healers had to really dps was the zantetsuken race at the end (but noone got damaged at that time so np). At least if the party is half decent.

But then again, it seems to be a fight where you have to avoid any single avoidable damage to have a good chance to clear it

---

And expecting that in df where it is first released unlike how extreme versions are only pre made allowed and soon put in df on the next patch. I guess se is just ramping up the difficulty for casual content Xp

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kuwagami

there was a famous thread where Yumi got bashed for that in 2.1's early days iirc ^^ Talking about running T1/T2 and Pharos sirius (back when people were complaining it was too hard). It has become some sort of running gag now, just like some other famous figures on the forums :p



Intensive fights are good ^^

One can only hope they won't become total faceroll when people get used to mechanics though

---

I'm surprised u guys remember XD
But yeah i'll still try it onwards post 3.0 cuz its for science!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Nah i'm healing it fine and was taught to throw out some dps here and there but we always reach the end but the dps just doesn't seem enough. I thought this was suppose to be content for casuals and is not included in the endgame coil tier right?
Healing it is fine but when dps start to get hit by things then you know ur either going to have to decide between healing them or prepping the tank for that tank busting move. Forgot the name lol. When casual content requires healers to dps then you know we atleast deserve to be adressed with a more suitable ilvl req.

---

the dps check isnt that tight, in the end everyone can go full DPS on it, cleared on 2. try with the cast bar being at 66%. there is no healing in the end part so i dont see the issue why us healers shouldnt dps ¬.¬ (I am a sch).

Hey look, people suddenly are realizing that DPS is everyones responsibility and not solely actual DPS.

I cleared Odin first try, with my friends, 1 tank methods. Average ilv 110 for the whole pt..

And actually,meeting DPS check requirements still fall heavily on DPS because they were built with the idea of having 4 DPS able to kill it, without the help for DPS from Tanks nor Healer. So yes, kill job is still DPS responsible. Having help from the Tank or the healers certainly make the job easier but if DPS have to rely on that extra bit DPS to make or break the fight, you fail at the job. The only job DPS has is...DPSing and if you can't even do that...Well you are bad !!!

It'll be easy enough to PF farm though if you want. No need for the extra tank slot. Like Titan HM all over again.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by 314159265358979323846264338327

Hey look, people suddenly are realizing that DPS is everyones responsibility and not solely actual DPS.

---

Mmm maybe it's just me, but when I heal, I always look at that as "I need to DPS to speed this up" or "I need to DPS because we're not doing enough", rather than "I need to DPS because it's part of the mechanic/design".

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Garlyle

I basically do consider him Odin Extreme at this point (even though the Auto Translate is "Urth's Fount (Hard)"). Yes, mechanically he's super simple to learn - but from the couple groups I've been able to get together and attempt it with, he requires a lot more than i95 gear to meet the DPS/healer checks involved.

Though I bloody loved the fight but I think I'd rather heal second coil because Einherjar or the Slow AoE straight into his tank buster is terrifying.

---

Let's be honest here. It's not the fault of the gear.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Welsper59

Mmm maybe it's just me, but when I heal, I always look at that as "I need to DPS to speed this up" or "I need to DPS because we're not doing enough", rather than "I need to DPS because it's part of the mechanic/design".

---

That's why we have cleric stance. Healers are designed to be supplemental DPS when they do not need to heal or conserve MP. SCH especially. Dem DoTs.

I haven't done the fight yet but I've heard you can silence Einherjar. I'll get back to you when I know for sure but maybe someone will try it before I get a chance to anyway.

When I 1st entered this fight as NIN i108 and hoping I could farm lights on my novus, we keep failing this several times. After like 5+ fails, I decide to switch to my BLM which already has zodiac weapons. Strangely, the fight went smooth. lol

Its a cake walk as long as people dodge and dps push out as much dps as they could on adds. The first time I did it we failed repeatedly and people kept on blaming us healers for letting them die. Its like it went over their heads that they should be killing adds faster than they were doing. My second attempt went smoothly though, especially with people dodging properly so that the only real damage on going is from the bleed debuff & the big attack on tank (forgot its name).

In the Fan Fest, they mentioned the BRD silencing one of the moves. Apparently nobody knows or forgot, and that's why it gets hard. But if they do it, it's easy.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by KandyKitten

In the Fan Fest, they mentioned the BRD silencing one of the moves. Apparently nobody knows or forgot, and that's why it gets hard. But if they do it, it's easy.

---

I heard that in this version silencing/stunning is not possible and you got to deal with the mechanic, but worth testing I guess.

It is definitely not possible to silence that ability.

Neither stun nor silence has any effect on any of his abilities. Just has to heal through every one of them, melee DPS can perfect dodge dmg from gunnir & parry some with keen furry but that's it.

Also, if the party consist of 2 BRD & 2 SCH, top it off with a SMN, you're most likely gonna have a wipefest <.<

I haven't had a chance to try this yet. Is it much different from the one at the fanfest? I remember that one being easy, although it WAS a dps check because they had us in either i100 or i110 gear, and many people don't do very good dps. I didn't even really know the people I was doing the fight with, but the DPS check felt tight at the end. The mechanics, overall, were pretty simple... just gimmicks that you had to learn from doing, which is why most groups didn't clear on the first attempt (15 minute timer... two good attempts, MAYBE three).

With so many extremes being a mechanics battle, I'm okay with one being a dps race once in a while.

Yeah, you can't stop any of his abilities with silence or stuns anymore, so things get hectic fast if healers aren't on top of.the DoTs, DPS ignore the Gungnirs, and tanks don't try to mitigate Sanngetall. Still, I really like the fight; it's simple and damn cool, haha!

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Yeah, you can't stop any of his abilities with silence or stuns anymore, so things get hectic fast if healers aren't on top of.the DoTs, DPS ignore the Gungnirs, and tanks don't try to mitigate Sanngetall. Still, I really like the fight; it's simple and damn cool, haha!

---

Ohh you really can't silence it? Wow. Still fun fight regardless. Seems he drops dark divinity pieces.
*mad that I lost an 89 roll*

Git gud :V

I find it hilarious that on the pf, people have been selling odin runs for at least 2 mil lol. It's a very easy fight.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FyrmurlFloerasksyn

I find it hilarious that on the pf, people have been selling odin runs for at least 2 mil lol. It's a very easy fight.

---

Lol seriously?! I've been seeing farm group rather than selling groups in Balmung. Its a super fun fight, and easily farmable with solo tank. I think once people understand the dps checks of the einherjar phase and dodge properly this craze will die.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by FyrmurlFloerasksyn

I find it hilarious that on the pf, people have been selling odin runs for at least 2 mil lol. It's a very easy fight.

---

dunno dude. People might need help. Because there's lots of wacky hijinks in DF. Like...Tank Swapping! And stacking! Because when you think of the Slow debuff move you think of stacking so the healers get hit.

...*shiver*

I still love the fight though. I went all fan mode during his intro cutscene. xD

You may notice it less than bad healers or bad tanks but the DF is just as swarmed with horrible dps mains who do nothing right at their job. Especially on trials with a lower ilvl requirement, not blaming them though as they probably dont even notice that themselves. (personal dps numbers please, SE?)

Point being, was in 3 random DF groups. The timing in which each of the groups hit enrage was anywhere between 10 - 40% even on runs where people seemed to dodge everything perfectly and noone died- 8%.

Assumption? One [or more] of our dps probably pulled bellow average dps numbers and thus ruined the entire group.

this is coming from someone who disregarded strafing and actually hitting the enemy with AA's as MNK until someone was kind enough to break it to me as my numbers used to be trash, figured my mistake out and quickly got a lot better. Kinda off-topic but very relevant to that tight(?) dps check.

Odin is simple enough.

The only issue players will have once they master the mechanics is to meet DPS demand since players are on a Timer.

If players can get Odin's HP down to 15% or lower then a LB2 or LB3 can reduce his HP by half or more. The remaining time should be enough to burn down around 10% of his HP after the LB.

We pulled this off with a random DF group on the first try. Granted, we had mere seconds to spare (glad I stepped into Cleric Stance and went all out in that last phase!), but we did it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by LionKing

I cleared Odin first try, with my friends, 1 tank methods. Average ilv 110 for the whole pt..

And actually,meeting DPS check requirements still fall heavily on DPS because they were built with the idea of having 4 DPS able to kill it, without the help for DPS from Tanks nor Healer. So yes, kill job is still DPS responsible. Having help from the Tank or the healers certainly make the job easier but if DPS have to rely on that extra bit DPS to make or break the fight, you fail at the job. The only job DPS has is...DPSing and if you can't even do that...Well you are bad !!!

---

Apart from the support some DPS classes bring. But you'd know about that. If you actually weren't carried every dungeon.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zaft

That's why we have cleric stance. Healers are designed to be supplemental DPS when they do not need to heal or conserve MP. SCH especially. Dem DoTs.

---

Actually Cleric Stance exists so a Healer can effectively do solo content. Without it, certain fights would take too long to DPS down. As a healer, the mob must be dead fast because you lack the defensive capability of a tank (and you can not stand there for 10 minutes taking hits, and even if you can heal through it, MP becomes an issue), so to compensate SE gave them a skill to bump up their DPS to feasibly solo quests.

I'm not saying I disagree with the idea of a healer assisting with DPS if he/she has the MP or feels confident enough to. I'm merely pointing out the error in the majority community's understanding of the buff.

If anything, Odin has opened my eyes to how much I hate people who purposely go AFK or offline just to be kicked from duty without proper reprimanding. First I had a tank say, "wow no one knows how to do this fight. I'm just going to AFK." Then after we kicked him and got a replacement, we made two more attempts. On the start of the second attempt, the healer and their DD friend just mysteriously disconnected and never returned, leaving us for dead.

I'm not sure what these people expected. The fight has not even been available for 24 hours. If you don't want to put forth the effort to learn a fight and its mechanics, why bother doing it in the first place, let alone using Duty Finder? Tch, just chafes my hide.