Please Bring back unique battle stances like in FFXI

Please make sure to like my post in the live letter thread on this topic!
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...88#post2634788



The title says it all, I'd love for each race AND gender to get specific idle battle stances like in FFXI. They don't need to be the same stances as FFXI just as long as they are different for each race and gender. The current default stances just look odd or unnatural with certain races. This is already done in the game for a few job races but on a very small scale (roe DRG's spear points up while hyur DRG's spear points down). Would love to see more unique stances per race AND gender.


Here is a picture for reference of MNK from FFXI showing different idle battle stances:
http://www.ffxionline.com/forums/att...mnkstances.gif



I've put up a poll to see where the playerbase stands on something like this being done.
http://goo.gl/qyHHrj


Roe DRG idle battle stance:
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...19577305_o.jpg

Hyur DRG idle battle stance:
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...25039444_o.jpg

PS3 memory limitations.

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Originally Posted by Magis

PS3 memory limitations.

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Always one who has to say it.

Whether is extends from PS3 limitations or not, the devs already said it ain't happening. Book is closed on the issue.

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Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

Whether is extends from PS3 limitations or not, the devs already said it ain't happening. Book is closed on the issue.

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Care to provide the source of that? I personally haven't seen that said.

Ps3 limitations

Meanwhile on the Ps2 game from 12 years ago...

PS3 limitations do not apply here, like I said in the original post it already exists on a small scale in the game with DRGs (roe DRG's spear points up while hyur DRG's spear points down while in idle battle stance).

I'm fine with how it is, actually, because I always felt like Elvaans got the shaft with some of the battle poses in XI. They held polearms and scythes like they were holding a shovel.

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Originally Posted by Fuma

Care to provide the source of that? I personally haven't seen that said.

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I'll try to find the interview, but basically Yoshi P. was asked why the different races in ARR don't have unique stances and animation like they did in FFXI. His answer was basically that the resources needed to make all the different animations unique would be counterproductive to them developing ARR in their "new" vision. During the closed and open beta the lack of difference was actually a major thing people bitched about and if I remember correctly it was placed in the forums at that time as an addressed issue.

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Originally Posted by EinSoFZ

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I can understand if this was said in beta since over the past year and before the launch they've added a ton of QoL (quality of life) changes that needed to be implemented. But now we're at the end of a lot of those needed updates (obiviously some still needed). Something like this could now be put into action and like I said before it is already in the game to a certain degree. The pics below show what I'm talking about.

Roe DRG idle battle stance:
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...19577305_o.jpg

Hyur DRG idle battle stance:
https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/...25039444_o.jpg

even during 1.x each race hold their weapon differently.

Yea, I just always thought it was kinda cool for the different races and genders to have different stances.

More stances in general sounds good to me. In fact, when I first read about the new poses a couple patches ago (or whenever it was), I was hoping something like this was also on the way. It probably involves a bit more work than idle poses but hopefully it's something we see eventually.

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Originally Posted by Prototype909

Ps3 limitations

Meanwhile on the Ps2 game from 12 years ago...

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PS2 was released in 2000
FFXI was released in 2002

PS3 was released in 2006
FFXIV 2.0 was released in 2013

One was built to take advantage of the console of that generation, having tons of room to grow. The other was released on a console who's next generation came 3 months later (August to November). Not even comparable.

smh... There isn't limitation issues here since you're swapping a few lines of code for another. And like I show in the original post they've done it with a few race/genders to avoid some clipping already.

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Originally Posted by Magis

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FFXIV 1.0 was released in 2010 and actually had some racial/gender differences. In ARR they went with universialized approach to "ease development" and to give us Male Miqote and female Roegadyn. It is comparable because the PS2, a system with far less storage, ram and processing power than your old Smart Phone let alone current model smart phone, can do much more in FFXI than FFXIV, something designed on the PC, ported to the PS3 and PS4 and still some how manages to not be able to do things it's predecessor could do 12 years ago.

The very fact there already is a few racial differences (Male Roe vs everyone else) proves they can do it - It's a matter of them not wanting to do it because that would actually mean care for attention to detail went into ARR like it did in XI.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

The very fact there already is a few racial differences (Male Roe vs everyone else) proves they can do it - It's a matter of them not wanting to do it because that would actually mean care for attention to detail went into ARR like it did in XI.

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Dev limitations. Time is a resource. Unless you are Matthew McConaughey.

Please look for this in 2.5 as the latest addition to FFXIV Cash Shop!

Please make sure to like my post in the live letter thread on this topic!

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...88#post2634788

More stances to pick from across the board is something I support, however, making stances based on race alone, is not.

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Originally Posted by Fuma

The title says it all, I'd love for each race AND gender to get specific idle battle stances like in FFXI. They don't need to be the same stances as FFXI just as long as they are different for each race and gender. The current default stances just look odd or unnatural with certain races. This is already done in the game for a few job races but on a very small scale (roe DRG's spear points up while hyur DRG's spear points down). Would love to see more unique stances per race AND gender.

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Can I be honest about this as I can with you? That sounds.... optional.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

More stances to pick from across the board is something I support, however, making stances based on race alone, is not.

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Already exists - that's like saying you don't support emotes being different between races. Did you know? There's even attribute differences between races and clans.

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Originally Posted by Aegis

Can I be honest about this as I can with you? That sounds.... optional.

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NO CASHSHOP, not that you were saying that or anything <.< >.>

They need to expand on the limited customization and give us the OPTION to pick a stance that fits our style.

Even though I liked the hyur male stance from 1.0, the current default Monk stance looks decent. The problem is, EVERYONE has that same exact stance. It's criminally overlooked and brings down the feeling of distinction.

I was pretty disappointed when they decided to generalize the stances for every race in 2.0.

You would think playing an mmo, that requires many long hours of playtime, with a paid subscription, and now a cash shop, would bring with it more depth when it comes to customizing your vision.

We have some lazy devs.

From 1.0 to 2.0:
-They reduce the size of butts to aunt jemima pancakes, because adjusting the butts to armor would mean work, and cutting corners is more important.
-They remove individual race stances and generalize it to ONE!; because recycling is the way of the future, so SE is doing their part by using the same single animation for everyone!

Stop being lazy and giving us lame excuses. Hire more people if it's too much work.

EDIT: And of course the poster RIGHT above me mentions it lol. Sorry for the repeated post.

It may have been mentioned, but they used to have this in 1.xx. I miss my lala run animation from 1.xx... I hate looking like a dopey disney cartoon character now >.<

Anyhow, it would be nice if they could put it back. I read how it's tied to ps3 limitations, so maybe they'll bring it back when they discontinue support for PS3. They said after next expansion or something like that at fanfest NA.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

More stances to pick from across the board is something I support, however, making stances based on race alone, is not.

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Why not? This is a MMORPG. RPG. Role Play. Character. Characterization. Character with no personality is no interesting character to begin with.

I completely support the OP. Ever since the game started, I've always wanted a differentiation between races while fighting. Why? Because each race is different, each race has different background stories, mannerisms, ways of living, ways of thought. As of right now, with similar fighting stances, all races and genders are bland and it seems like we are not very unique, there's no characterization, we are just all the same, no personality.

For example, a Roe would hold the weapon in such way that they portray strength, because that's what's the race about. A female Roe would hold it in a slightly feminine way, since they are female, but still portraying strength. They can't be the same as say, a female hyur, because female hyurs (midlanders at least) have a more delicate nature.


In FFXI, Elvaan girls held their weapons and shields in a very elegant, sophisticated way. Elvaan males did the same but in a masculine way. Reason being, that's what Elvaans' peronality was. They portrayed elegance, wealth and a little bit of arrogance. Actually, if you read the Archer quests carefully, the Elezen archer guy shows his arrogance towards hyurs (at least he did to me! that bastard :P).

https://ffxistyle.files.wordpress.co...v_rdm_bt2l.jpg

http://zam.zamimg.com/images/7/0/702...508c07253d.png

See how female humes hold the sword differently from males? It would be really nice to have that. I don't like the way it is now, having same fighting stances as males. (I'm a girl, so yeah it's not big shock I'd want a more feminine stance XD)

It's all about giving each gender and race a personality and uniqueness. In my opinion the current standing stances don't make enough justice.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

More stances to pick from across the board is something I support, however, making stances based on race alone, is not.

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i agree with this

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Originally Posted by Andevom

I'm fine with how it is, actually, because I always felt like Elvaans got the shaft with some of the battle poses in XI. They held polearms and scythes like they were holding a shovel.

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I HATED THIS

SO MUCH

but if they linked the animations to /cpose just like the idle stances are, I would be okay with that. It means you could have the new battle/idle animations toggled off if you prefer the cookie cutter variety.

I think Elvaan had the best looking weapon skill animations, despite how they held greatswords like they were waiting for someone to pitch a baseball at them.

On topic though, yes! To me, the fact that all races/sexes held weapons differently really made even the idle animations stand out. They say variety is the spice of life, and I am inclined to agree with this, because the different handling of each weapon always made me believe there were several disciplines throughout the game, and it was always fun to imagine that the Mithra had different traditions than the Elvaan. Then you bring in Tenzen, who is a hume but holds his weapon in his own unique way and shit really gets real! It may have just been something to look at, but it was definitely a meal for the eyes! Don't let your eyes go hungry, folks!

At least elvaan knew how to swing a greatsword. They may have looked like wanting to play baseball, but mithra swung like they were playing baseball. That said, I can't say my game experience would be improved with racial stances. It would be nice, but it'd be just that.

Yh one of the 1st things I saw in ff was a lack of racial uniqueness's. But oh well, this is a ps3 game afterall, more or less.

Because why would they take the dev time to develop and implement something great like this, which would affect every single character in the game in at least a small fashion, when they can instead waste many many hours and weeks of dev time on some pathetic RP wedding system?

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Originally Posted by Feln

I think Elvaan had the best looking weapon skill animations, despite how they held greatswords like they were waiting for someone to pitch a baseball at them.

On topic though, yes! To me, the fact that all races/sexes held weapons differently really made even the idle animations stand out. They say variety is the spice of life, and I am inclined to agree with this, because the different handling of each weapon always made me believe there were several disciplines throughout the game, and it was always fun to imagine that the Mithra had different traditions than the Elvaan. Then you bring in Tenzen, who is a hume but holds his weapon in his own unique way and shit really gets real! It may have just been something to look at, but it was definitely a meal for the eyes! Don't let your eyes go hungry, folks!

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rofl this is great and I couldn't agree more

fixed link to live letter, should work now