Ninja Cross-Class

So has there been any word on the cross-class system being overhauled in the next patch? Specifically I am referring to the fact that no JOB can cross-class to use ROG skills. I would think several classes could benefit from some fresh skills, if only for fun.

No official statements have been made other than the fact that dark knight has no base class and yoshi-p has said he can't reveal why this is the case.

I'm taking this as a hint that the job/class system will be reworked for heavensward.

I would say one reason they didn't attach these to any jobs was to reduce the amount of people leveling it off the bat. Had they had ROG abilities that other jobs could use a lot more people would of pushed through to level up to at least 18 to have the two must have abilities if their job could use it. But there is also something else to keep in mind.

The current job system works under the assumption that they can only draw abilities from two other classes besides their base class. SMN=Archer/Thaumaturge, SCH=Conjurer/Thaumaturge, BLM=Arcanist/Archer, WAR=Pugilist/Gladiator etc etc, which means they would of had to change the rules that jobs abide by.

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

that no JOB older than Ninja can cross-class to use ROG skills.

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I fixed it a bit

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Originally Posted by Airget

The current job system works under the assumption that they can only draw abilities from two other classes besides their base class. SMN=Archer/Thaumaturge, SCH=Conjurer/Thaumaturge, BLM=Arcanist/Archer, WAR=Pugilist/Gladiator etc etc, which means they would of had to change the rules that jobs abide by.

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and exactly this. But not change the rule of 1 job = 2 sub classes, but more about arranging which job get which sub class again.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

No official statements have been made other than the fact that dark knight has no base class and yoshi-p has said he can't reveal why this is the case.

I'm taking this as a hint that the job/class system will be reworked for heavensward.

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I really hope you're right.

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Originally Posted by Felis

and exactly this. But not change the rule of 1 job = 2 sub classes, but more about arranging which job get which sub class again.

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Unless from NIN on they start adding a 3rd class jobs can pull from or remove the class lockouts and start picking and choosing what skill/ability every job can get from the others.

They may just be delaying the cross-class sharing until Heavensward. The big problem right now is that any job that gets access to Perfect Dodge, Goad and Death Blossum in addition to its existing cross-class skills will have an advantage over those classes who do not have a 3rd class to cross-class with. Each class will likely get their 3rd cross-class skill set when Dark Knight and the as yet unnamed Gun class are introduced in 3.0.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

They may just be delaying the cross-class sharing until Heavensward. The big problem right now is that any job that gets access to Perfect Dodge, Goad and Death Blossum in addition to its existing cross-class skills will have an advantage over those classes who do not have a 3rd class to cross-class with. Each class will likely get their 3rd cross-class skill set when Dark Knight and the as yet unnamed Gun class are introduced in 3.0.

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To be honest they'll probably only give the abilities to MNK and DRG. Getting Goad alone will give DRG more utility, but having an actual AoE before level 40 will be a MASSIVE gamechanger. Plus Perfect Dodge guarantees they can Jump without getting hit by any physical attacks. MNKs...we're already solid without those abilities, so they wouldn't change much.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

To be honest they'll probably only give the abilities to MNK and DRG. Getting Goad alone will give DRG more utility, but having an actual AoE before level 40 will be a MASSIVE gamechanger. Plus Perfect Dodge guarantees they can Jump without getting hit by any physical attacks. MNKs...we're already solid without those abilities, so they wouldn't change much.

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Monk would still gain a bit from Perfect Dodge and Death Blossum, but I suspect that Dark Knight could get access to ROG Cross Class skills also.

Level 16 PUG is apparently not high enough to create a thread of my own, so I'm forced to ask in a ninja based post, sorry!

I'm a new player trying to build a ninja, but I've just gone over the level 16 PUG cliff on my way to my airship pass. Can I still build up as a viable Ninja or should I just make this my Monk and level up a new Ninja? Not being able to get my Rogue job without the airship pass was a surprise -_-

Goad shouldn't be crossclassed. It adds a new responsibility of monitoring your raid's TP. I would very much enjoy NOT having to worry about that.

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Originally Posted by Sunju

Level 16 PUG is apparently not high enough to create a thread of my own, so I'm forced to ask in a ninja based post, sorry!

I'm a new player trying to build a ninja, but I've just gone over the level 16 PUG cliff on my way to my airship pass. Can I still build up as a viable Ninja or should I just make this my Monk and level up a new Ninja? Not being able to get my Rogue job without the airship pass was a surprise -_-

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It sounds like your talking about making a new character to play as ninja. If so that's not necessary. You can level up all jobs on one character. In fact it's necessary to level up multiple classes in order to unlock jobs. You can also take skills you've learned from classes and use them with other classes.

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Originally Posted by ErikMynhier

if only for fun.

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So throw game balance completely out of the window? I agree they should add Nin to some jobs for cross class, but let's do it for reasonable reasons. This isn't a sandbox and such changes demand balance.

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Originally Posted by zar

Goad shouldn't be crossclassed. It adds a new responsibility of monitoring your raid's TP. I would very much enjoy NOT having to worry about that.

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Unfortunately for you, Goad is in fact a Cross-class skill for classes, just not for jobs...yet.

Could you image the bitching that would occur when some people logged in and found that they changed their cross classes without asking for their personal consent first?

That is why no current jobs were changed to cross class with rogue.

I'm more curious as to why ROG only has 3 cross-class skills when most others have 4 or 5 (albeit one useless one in most cases). Also, not having a ROG with Death Blossom yet, how useful would a 60potency AoE be to other classes anyway, especially with a high TP cost?

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

I'm more curious as to why ROG only has 3 cross-class skills when most others have 4 or 5 (albeit one useless one in most cases). Also, not having a ROG with Death Blossom yet, how useful would a 60potency AoE be to other classes anyway, especially with a high TP cost?

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It is 10 TP cheaper and 10 potency greater than Arm of the Destroyer and players leveling a Lancer/Dragoon pre-42 don't have any AoE capability.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

but having an actual AoE before level 40 will be a MASSIVE gamechanger.

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Deathblossom without the trait is really, really awful. Seriously.

Though you can use it pre 30 if you really want.

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Originally Posted by RazeLandale

Deathblossom without the trait is really, really awful. Seriously.

Though you can use it pre 30 if you really want.

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Oh I know it's awful. The entire skill is a joke tbh IMO. It should be 100 potency without the trait, 140 with it. But right now DRG is pretty much the only job without an AoE until level 40. Just being able to cross-class it would change that. But I'd prefer to have that potency increased before it happens.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

So throw game balance completely out of the window? I agree they should add Nin to some jobs for cross class, but let's do it for reasonable reasons. This isn't a sandbox and such changes demand balance.

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No one said anything about throwing the balance out the window. But you must admit some cross-class skills are more "fun" or what I should have written, "situational". One that comes to mind is Raise on a Paladin. If you happen to be out and about in the overworld and see a downed noob, sure its fun to help them out. But there is no combat/endgame value to that skill for the Tank of the party. That is what I meant by "fun".

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

So throw game balance completely out of the window? I agree they should add Nin to some jobs for cross class, but let's do it for reasonable reasons. This isn't a sandbox and such changes demand balance.

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I somehow doubt the game would suddenly be thrown into chaos over the inclusion of a few new cross-class skills, and if it did then it would only prove to show how fragile existing jobs are. Let's be honest, most of the ones we get suck anyway, and we can only set a maximum of 5 on a job.

But it's important to realise one crucial thing here... balance does NOT mean every job being the same. The FFXI devs knew this, and that's why the equipment system, and the jobs themselves, are as rich and vibrant as they can be. ARR does not, and that's why the jobs play in an identical fashion to every other one.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

I'm taking this as a hint that the job/class system will be reworked for heavensward.

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Apparently, APPARENTLY, that won't happen.

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Final Fantasy XIV: HEAVENSWARD (3.0):

** Possible revamp of entire Job/Class system. (06/21/2014; Famitsu), (Debunked by Yoshi-P on Letter LIVE XVII; 08/23/2014)
*** Possible additions to current job system. (Letter LIVE XVII; 08/23/2014)
*** Additions to job system as the level cap increases. (Letter LIVE XVII; 08/23/2014)


** Possible coding of an entirely new job system for hybrid jobs. (06/21/2014; Famitsu), (Debunked by Yoshi-P on Letter LIVE XVII; 08/23/2014)
** It might be possible that Classes have not be included in the expansion, leaving only Jobs that will be leveled. (Gamer Escape; 10/21/2014)
** Skill Speed to take a larger role after the level cap is raised. (06/19/2014; Nova Crystallis)
** Working on ways to solve the limitations of the job point allocation system and the cross class system for possible secondary jobs. To be explained in detail at Fan Fest. (Secrets of Eorzea; 07/18/2014)
** Dev team to look into adding more stats to armor with the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Sunju

Level 16 PUG is apparently not high enough to create a thread of my own, so I'm forced to ask in a ninja based post, sorry!

I'm a new player trying to build a ninja, but I've just gone over the level 16 PUG cliff on my way to my airship pass. Can I still build up as a viable Ninja or should I just make this my Monk and level up a new Ninja? Not being able to get my Rogue job without the airship pass was a surprise -_-

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You don't need to create a complete character.
Once you finished the lv 10 class quest of your starting class you can unlock other classes in the other class guilds.
The Rogue class guild is hidden, but there is a sidequest at the Aetherite place in Limsa that show you where the guild is.