2.4 Crafting and Gathering Megathread - Max Melds & Rotations

Hi all. I have been looking around and haven't found a place where people are talking about the practicals around crafting and gathering. So I wanted to create a place for people to post useful information.

Here is what would help us all out:
- Off hand max meld values
- Other equipment max meld values
- Crafting rotations for the stupidly hard 3-star HQ masterbook
- Crafting rotations for the new 4-star items/gear

To get things started, the new gathering points are in Middle La Noscea (Botanist) and Southern Thanalan (Miner). The nodes are open at 4am Eorzean time.

Post what you know... for the good of us all!

Foragers Vest max melds are 12 Gathering, 6 Perception, 0 GP

Got some good new info!

2.4 MELD CAPS FOR NEW ARTISAN’S GEAR (I believe this assumes the gear is HQ)

Off-hand:
•Craftsmanship: 25
•Control: 14
•CP: 3
•1 Guaranteed Slot

Artisan’s Mitts
•Craftsmanship: 4
•Control: 6
•CP: 0
•3 Guaranteed Slots

Artisan’s Culottes
•Craftsmanship: 1
•Control: 6
•CP: 3
•3 Guaranteed Slots

Artisan’s Sandals
•Craftsmanship: 1
•Control: 6
•CP: 3
•3 Guaranteed Slots

Credit where credit is due: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...fter_patch_24/

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Originally Posted by Lito00

Got some good new info!

2.4 MELD CAPS FOR NEW ARTISAN’S GEAR (I believe this assumes the gear is HQ)

Off-hand:
•Craftsmanship: 25
•Control: 14
•CP: 3
•1 Guaranteed Slot

Artisan’s Mitts
•Craftsmanship: 4
•Control: 6
•CP: 0
•3 Guaranteed Slots

Artisan’s Culottes
•Craftsmanship: 1
•Control: 6
•CP: 3
•3 Guaranteed Slots

Artisan’s Sandals
•Craftsmanship: 1
•Control: 6
•CP: 3
•3 Guaranteed Slots

Credit where credit is due: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...fter_patch_24/

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Looking at the stats the new gear is going to be super easy to meld (at most 1 over meld). Not counting the offhand of course.

What that means is you can get max stats even with non hq gear. Just have to use heir teir materia. And I was here worried about nothing~

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Originally Posted by Yonko

.... Not counting the offhand of course.

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Which wants at least 3 IV class overmelds.

So, each of the Artisan's body pieces gives +0 Craftsmanship and +3 Control over AF. The gloves have the same stats as the Ixali gloves, but with 3 more CP.

This means, with a Supra, you'll be able to avoid melding any Control onto your Artisan's Offhand if you want. You'll be at 436 Craftsmanship and 400 Control with the AF gear, and you need 451/407 to do four star crafts. With the Ixali gloves, the Artisan pants, and the Artisan feet, you'll have 409 Control. Then, you just need another 15 craftsmanship. You can get this by melding just Competence IV, Competence III, Competence II (or Competence IIIx3) into your offhand, which should be really cheap.

Of course, the problem here is that you need to have the four star crafted items in order to make the four star crafted items like this... So, you may have to meld a single Command IV into your offhand and use the Ixali gloves to reach the Control requirements. But, once you have your artisan's pants/feet, you can possibly forego the control on your other offhands.

Heck, you can almost avoid the Supra once you have the Artisan's body pieces, but you'll wind up either 1 craft or 3 control short =\

I think I'll wind up melding into my offhands Command IV, Competence III, Competence III, Competence III, and then either Competence III or Cunning III. Should be pretty cheap, given I bought 31 Competence IIIs for 15k each just after the patch, and SBing IIIs is easy.

Anybody already crafted any offhands? I did my first one today and failed at 31% using Supra tool and all other items from 2.3 (418 Craft/392 Control) using my regular 3 star item rotation. :-(

I had a bit of bad luck with Hasty touch but it still felt like it is hard to HQ them even if not 5 out of 9 would have failed. But it is hard to tell with so many fails after all so I don't know for real. I was unpleasantly surprised to see that even after getting all three items in HQ that are possible (including Wolfram) it lead to a woppin' 4% start quality. :confused: What rotation did you use to HQ one of them and what are your stats?

I use this rotation for 3 star crafts. http://i.imgur.com/1MQpZwq.jpg

For 4 stars, I just have to add one Piece by Piece at the beginning and remove one Hasty Touch from the rotation. Pretty consistent way to get HQ if you start with HQ materials.

(Note: Since I have so much CP, I tend to replace the last few Hasty touches with Advanced Touch)

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

So, each of the Artisan's body pieces gives +0 Craftsmanship and +3 Control over AF. The gloves have the same stats as the Ixali gloves, but with 3 more CP.

This means, with a Supra, you'll be able to avoid melding any Control onto your Artisan's Offhand if you want. You'll be at 436 Craftsmanship and 400 Control with the AF gear, and you need 451/407 to do four star crafts. With the Ixali gloves, the Artisan pants, and the Artisan feet, you'll have 409 Control. Then, you just need another 15 craftsmanship. You can get this by melding just Competence IV, Competence III, Competence II (or Competence IIIx3) into your offhand, which should be really cheap.

Of course, the problem here is that you need to have the four star crafted items in order to make the four star crafted items like this... So, you may have to meld a single Command IV into your offhand and use the Ixali gloves to reach the Control requirements. But, once you have your artisan's pants/feet, you can possibly forego the control on your other offhands.

Heck, you can almost avoid the Supra once you have the Artisan's body pieces, but you'll wind up either 1 craft or 3 control short =\

I think I'll wind up melding into my offhands Command IV, Competence III, Competence III, Competence III, and then either Competence III or Cunning III. Should be pretty cheap, given I bought 31 Competence IIIs for 15k each just after the patch, and SBing IIIs is easy.

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Since the token item needed for the Supra is the same as the token needed for the Master 2 book which is needed to do 4 stars it doesn't make much sense to skip the supra. Since the Token items are super hard to HQ (from my understanding I'm still playing catch up with 3 star items) So any that you fail to HQ you can turn into a supra.

Just posting here so I can access this thread a bit easier in the future.

Thanks for the tips/info so far!!

2.4 MELD CAPS FOR NEW FORAGER’S GEAR (source: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/Botanist )

Off-hand:
•Gathering: 14
•Perception: ???
•GP: ???
•1 Guaranteed Slot

Forager's Vest:
•Gathering: 12
•Perception: 6
•GP: 0
•3 Guaranteed Slots

Forager's Wristguards:
•Gathering: 10
•Perception: ???
•GP: 4
•3 Guaranteed Slots

Forager's Slops:
•Gathering: 6
•Perception: 1
•GP: 4
•3 Guaranteed Slots

Forager's Shoes:
•Gathering: 1
•Perception: 6
•GP: 4
•3 Guaranteed Slots

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Originally Posted by Yonko

Since the token item needed for the Supra is the same as the token needed for the Master 2 book which is needed to do 4 stars it doesn't make much sense to skip the supra. Since the Token items are super hard to HQ (from my understanding I'm still playing catch up with 3 star items) So any that you fail to HQ you can turn into a supra.

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While this is true, you're forgetting the three Mastercraft Demimateria you also need. On my server, that's about 3 million alone. I am trying to farm for them, but in 36 Artisan Spectacles, I obtained only ONE Mastercraft :(

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Originally Posted by TomTom1968

Anybody already crafted any offhands? I did my first one today and failed at 31% using Supra tool and all other items from 2.3 (418 Craft/392 Control) using my regular 3 star item rotation. :-(

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You have two options when you get unlucky like you did: Take a 69% chance of NQ, or Reclaim and take a 10% chance of losing everything. I'd have reclaimed, personally, and if the reclaim failed, I'd stop crafting for a while. If you can't use the NQ one usefully, have someone with 100 desynth skill of the right type (CRP/BSM) desynth it for you. Someone you trust! You can get back Echtal Sealant, though it's not a guaranteed chance. I feel like there's a chance you can even get HQ sealant back, which would either raise your chances a ton, or you could sell it for a fortune.

Thankfully, I've HQed both of my offhands that I've made so far. One was 80%, the other was 100%. It all comes down to luck. I would still recommend HQing all of the base materials, as that 650 base quality is much better than 0, though it still sucks. A lot.

Here is the rotation I'm using to get the HQ Turn-Ins for the Master Books II's.

★ = ToT

/ac Comfort zone <wait.2> ★
/ac Inner quiet <wait.2> ★
/ac Piece by piece <wait.3> ★
/ac Piece by piece <wait.3> ★
/ac IG2 <wait.2> ☆ ↑ToT only if you haven't gotten any yet
/ac SH2 <wait.2>
/ac Rapid <wait.3>
/ac Rapid <wait.3> ← If you fail this, reclaim and try again
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3> ★
/ac Master's mend 2 <wait.3> ★
/ac Comfort zone <wait.2> ★ ← if you don't have 2 ToTs by now, you won't have enough CP
/ac SH2 <wait.2>
/ac Waste not 2<wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac SH2 <wait.2>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3> ★ ← If more than 2 HTs blow up, reclaim. If ToT, SH
/ac greate stride <wait.2>
/ac byregot <wait.3>
/ac perfect synth 2

Two notes:
- To get this to work, you need 3 tricks procs to go off.
- The perfect synth 2 at the end is really Careful Synth 2.

Credit where credit is due: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/2krdgr/hq_supra_turnins_for_recipie_book_2/

A crafting simulator I'm using gives me a success rate of 45% with that, and an average HQ chance of only 30%. Of course, that's averaging things out, and not taking into account Reclaims. A near-perfect run in the simulator just gave me a 78% chance, though that was about 3 in 20 so far (the other 17 were NQ or failures, btw). I don't like those odds...

The worst part about the posted macro is that when you do the BB with no SH up, you don't have enough CP to reclaim if the BB fails. You're banking everything on that 90% chance, after already taking a bunch of chances. That's... pretty risky.

Using a more cautious rotation like I've been doing, I can get a chance of ~24% with about a 95% chance of success.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

A crafting simulator I'm using gives me a success rate of 45% with that, and an average HQ chance of only 30%. Of course, that's averaging things out, and not taking into account Reclaims. A near-perfect run in the simulator just gave me a 78% chance, though that was about 3 in 20 so far (the other 17 were NQ or failures, btw). I don't like those odds...

The worst part about the posted macro is that when you do the BB with no SH up, you don't have enough CP to reclaim if the BB fails. You're banking everything on that 90% chance, after already taking a bunch of chances. That's... pretty risky.

Using a more cautious rotation like I've been doing, I can get a chance of ~24% with about a 95% chance of success.

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What rotation would you suggest?

While I understand that personal experience holds no value in a statistical success rate discussion, I can say that I have used 18 field 3's per masterbook II so far (I consider this a 33% success rate).

Any rotation that can improve on this success rate would be a welcome addition to this thread.

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Originally Posted by Lito00

What rotation would you suggest?

While I understand that personal experience holds no value in a statistical success rate dicussion, I can say that I have used 18 field 3's per masterbook II so far (I consider this a 33% success rate).

Any rotation that can improve on this success rate would be a welcome addition to this thread.

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This is the one I would try http://www.ffxivcrafter.com/crafting...F-B1F6C001C7A6

From http://ns.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comment...supra_turnins/

That sim assumes that all tricks are on Good quality and all skills succeed but it does tell you the % chance below.

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Originally Posted by Lito00

What rotation would you suggest?

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I guess it's all a matter of preference. Given your reported success rate, your posted rotation is almost certainly better than mine! I'm just a cautious person and taking that many chances is kinda scary to me :P The way I do it, I'm only taking one obvious chance. It's a big one, but still, it's just one <_<

What I've been doing is farm for ToT procs, and if I don't feel like I'm getting enough, reclaim. It's something like:

• ★ = Use Tricks if you can
• ☆ = Use Tricks only once in this set
• Wherever you see "Careful Synthesis II" prior to the final one, only use at most three of these. If you've already used three, replace with something else, like Hasty Touch.
• For the #finisher, you will want durability = ((45 or 50) - 10*{number of CS2s done}) or 10 more than that, and CP at 110 or greater.
• Excellents are traps! Ignore them unless you're doing the #finisher.

#start:

• Comfort zone ★
• Inner Quiet ★
• Steady Hand ☆
• Waste Not ☆
• Piece by Piece ☆
• Piece by Piece ☆
• Piece by Piece ★
• [if SH up: Hasty Touch ★]
• [if SH up: Hasty Touch ★]
• [if durability at 40 or less, goto #2]

#1:

• Steady Hand II ★
• [if durability ends in 0: Waste Not ★, and change the ★ in this block to ☆]
• Hasty Touch ★
• Hasty Touch ★

• [if SH2 up, CP>240, and dur>10: Hasty Touch ★]
• [if SH2 up, CP>240, and dur>10: Hasty Touch ★]
• [if SH2 up, CP>240, and dur>10: Hasty Touch ★]
• [if CP is ~240 or less, go to #3]
• [if durability at 40 or less, goto #2, else goto #1]

#2:

• [if CZ at 2 and dur>10: Careful Synthesis II ★]
• [if CZ at 1 and dur>10: Careful Synthesis II ★]
• [if CZ down: Comfort Zone ★]
• [if durability over 20: Careful Synthesis II ★]
• [if durability over 20: Careful Synthesis II ★]
• [if durability at 20 or less: Master's Mend II ★]
• Goto #1

#3:

• [If durability = ((55 or 60) - 10*{number of CS2s done}): Goto #finisher]
• [If durability > ((55 or 60) - 10*{number of CS2s done}) and CP < 135: Hasty Touch ★, then goto #3]
• [If durability > ((55 or 60) - 10*{number of CS2s done}), CP is 135 or more, and SH2 down: Steady Hand II ★]
• [If durability > ((55 or 60) - 10*{number of CS2s done}), and SH2 up: Hasty Touch ★]
• Goto #3

#finisher:
[IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE FAILED, RECLAIM HERE and Hasty Touch yourself to death (too few ToTs, too many failed HTs, etc)]

• Steady Hand (swap for SH2 if you have 10 extra dur and either between 113-127 CP, or 131+ CP (Innovation is more important than +10% to Hasty Touch))
• [if you have 10 extra durability here: Hasty Touch]
• [if condition is Normal, Poor, or Good: Great Strides]
• [if condition is Normal or Poor: Ingenuity II]
• [if condition is Normal or Poor and CP is at 42 or more and you happen to have Innovation slotted: Innovation]
• [if condition is Normal or Poor and you've used less than 3 Careful Synthesis IIs so far and you didn't use Innovation: Careful Synthesis II]
• Byregot's Blessing (cry if it's not on a Good or Excellent, but you'll still get at least an 18% chance!)
• [If Craftsmanship < 430 and Ingenuity II is not up, and you did not happen to already do a Careful Synthesis II under Ingenuity II just above here: Ingenuity II]
• Careful Synthesis II
• [if not done: Careful Synthesis II]
• [if not done: Careful Synthesis II]
• [if not done: Careful Synthesis II]

But, again, your success rate seems much better than mine, so I wouldn't recommend mine over yours. I've succeeded at 3 out of 10 tokens so far using this rotation, but my %HQ chance was usually about 20%, so a lot of that is just luck.

Oh! Something I never knew, but just read on Reddit. Ingenuity/Ingenuity II do nothing for quality on 3*+ crafts. That... really surprises me. Can anyone else confirm that this is true? That changes everything, for me, as it gives me an extra 32 CP, but means I'll need to get all my crafters to 430 craft before working on their tokens (my rotation requires 430 if I drop Ing2: 3 PbP + 4 CS2).

Hmnm, or I can try this Rumination idea that was just posted from Reddit....

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

Oh! Something I never knew, but just read on Reddit. Ingenuity/Ingenuity II do nothing for quality on 3*+ crafts. That... really surprises me. Can anyone else confirm that this is true? That changes everything, for me, as it gives me an extra 32 CP, but means I'll need to get all my craters to 430 craft before working on their tokens (my rotation requires 430 if I drop Ing2: 3 PbP + 4 CS2).

Hmnm, or I can try this Rumination idea that was just posted from Reddit....

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Thanks for posting your rotation. Not sure which is better... but I tend to take rotations and combine the best elements with each other as much as possible.

As for the comment on Ingenuity/Ingenuity II, could you post a link? This is also the first time I'm hearing about it.

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Originally Posted by Lito00

Thanks for posting your rotation. Not sure which is better... but I tend to take rotations and combine the best elements with each other as much as possible.

As for the comment on Ingenuity/Ingenuity II, could you post a link? This is also the first time I'm hearing about it.

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It's in the thread the person up there posted -^ *points*

http://ns.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comment...urnins/clo1l7i

While I hate Rapid Synthesis with a passion, I think I'm going to start using it on these synths. By the way, the following combinations will finish the token synths:

1. (5 hits, requires 405 Craft, 55 CP, 41% success, 80% final success): 2 PbP + 3 SH2/Rapid
2. (5 hits, requires 409 Craft, 70 CP, 47% success, 80% final success): 3 PbP + 2 SH2/Rapid
3. (5 hits, requires 404 Craft, 87 CP, 52% success, 100% final success): 2 PbP + 2 Ing2/SH2/Rapid + CS2
4. (6 hits, requires 393 Craft, 119 CP, 65% success, 100% final success): 2 PbP + 1 Ing2/SH2/Rapid + 3 Ing2/CS2 (don't use this one, it's terrible)
5. (6 hits, requires 410 Craft, 87 CP, 65% success, 100% final success): 2 PbP + 1 Ing2/SH2/Rapid + 2 Ing2/CS2 (use the Ing2 from the Rapid) + CS2
6. (7 hits, requires 401 Craft, 77 CP, 73% success, 100% final success): 3 PbP + 3 CS2 + 1 Ing2/CS2
7. (7 hits, requires 430 Craft, 45 CP, 73% success, 100% final success): 3 PbP + 4 CS2

I really can't think of any others even worth considering.

I really like using the last one on that list, #7. It has a low chance of failure and the final synth is a 100% one. #3 (what the above poster recommended), is nice too, but you have to be ready to reclaim if any of those Rapids fail. Or, I guess, you could just use Rapid again... it doesn't cost any more than a failed Hasty Touch, so I guess my success rates aren't as meaningful as I thought. Anyway, food for thought!

EDIT: Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I'm willing to admit that #3 is awesome. Try it!

Ingenuity 2 is indeed useless.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

Oh! Something I never knew, but just read on Reddit. Ingenuity/Ingenuity II do nothing for quality on 3*+ crafts. That... really surprises me. Can anyone else confirm that this is true? That changes everything, for me, as it gives me an extra 32 CP, but means I'll need to get all my crafters to 430 craft before working on their tokens (my rotation requires 430 if I drop Ing2: 3 PbP + 4 CS2).

Hmnm, or I can try this Rumination idea that was just posted from Reddit....

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Both ideas are wrong. Ing provides a very small control bonus on both 3*/4* crafts. This is a misconception that is popularized by simulators. It's not really worth it for 4*s.

Rumination rotations statistically speaking will never provide you enough CP to replace itself. The rotation was intentionally nerfed hard during the beta. Rumination should only be used for low level crafting, as well as Rumination -> Reclaim escapes

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Originally Posted by Lebenoshl

Both ideas are wrong. Ing provides a very small control bonus on both 3*/4* crafts. This is a misconception that is popularized by simulators. It's not really worth it for 4*s.

Rumination rotations statistically speaking will never provide you enough CP to replace itself. The rotation was intentionally nerfed hard during the beta. Rumination should only be used for low level crafting, as well as Rumination -> Reclaim escapes

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If the rumination "rotation" doesn't work please explain the screen shot from the thread with the turn in item at 89% HQ on step 50. Since your doing steady hand II (25) + hasty touch (0) + Inner Quiet (18) so the rotation is costing 43 so assuming all the Hasty touches work you'd be at 6 stacks which Rumination should turn into 45 CP. And while doing this you can have comfort zone running and get ToT for bonus CP.

I'm not saying its going to allow you to get to 100000 turn synths but saying its useless is well wrong.

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Originally Posted by Yonko

I'm not saying its going to allow you to get to 100000 turn synths but saying its useless is well wrong.

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The durability loss is a cost. A big one - about 28 CP per touch, which you aren't factoring in. So, that rotation isn't costing 43, it's costing ~183, all for a tiny bit of quality and nothing else. Remember, you still need to get ~10 stacks of IQ after you're done ruminating.

In regards to that screenshot, I can only imagine that's an edge case. My rotation can theoretically hit 100% if you hit every single Good condition proc possible and then BB on an Excellent with GS up. Does that mean my rotation is a 100% rotation? Hardly! It's generally about 18%. When I ran the Rumination rotation through a simulator, even assuming perfect chances, I was only seeing about a 20% average case. Without rumination, I was seeing about a 30% average case.

I strongly believe that Rumination is not the answer. But, I could easily be wrong. I'll still stick with my rumless rotations.

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Originally Posted by Lito00

Here is the rotation I'm using to get the HQ Turn-Ins for the Master Books II's.

★ = ToT

/ac Comfort zone <wait.2> ★
/ac Inner quiet <wait.2> ★
/ac Piece by piece <wait.3> ★
/ac Piece by piece <wait.3> ★
/ac IG2 <wait.2> ☆ ↑ToT only if you haven't gotten any yet
/ac SH2 <wait.2>
/ac Rapid <wait.3>
/ac Rapid <wait.3> ← If you fail this, reclaim and try again
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3> ★
/ac Master's mend 2 <wait.3> ★
/ac Comfort zone <wait.2> ★ ← if you don't have 2 ToTs by now, you won't have enough CP
/ac SH2 <wait.2>
/ac Waste not 2<wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac SH2 <wait.2>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3> ★ ← If more than 2 HTs blow up, reclaim. If ToT, SH
/ac greate stride <wait.2>
/ac byregot <wait.3>
/ac perfect synth 2

Two notes:
- To get this to work, you need 3 tricks procs to go off.
- The perfect synth 2 at the end is really Careful Synth 2.

Credit where credit is due: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ecipie_book_2/

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Thanks Lito! :D

This helped me out a lot. I got very lucky with RNG with this Rotation, but it was the most organized / easy to understand *for myself* to follow. (Highest was 85% HQ on a Good Light proc at the end, lowest was a 19% HQ.)

I got my 3 HQ Turn Ins with 6 Outright Fails (NQ or Blown Up) (and lots of successful Reclaims).

I tried a few rotations people were suggesting here, but I got tripped up on if I needed to *renew* Steady Hand II (when going for the Tricks of the Trade Procs). Because in going for "every Tricks of the Trade" (on some of the other rotations suggested), my Steady Hand II kept falling off early.

I didn't know if I should or shouldn't renew the SHII, so I did, which ended up screwing up the rotation / flow on a few of those other ones.

As Nya and many others have said, I'd recommend Patience. Follow the rotation that works for you and don't get greedy. :)

Lastly, to the Dev Team: These 4 Star Crafted Turn-In Items for the Master Recipe Book II are AWFUL. This is just bad design. :( I hated the whole process and it was one of the worst experiences I've gone through in Crafting in FF XIV (far worse than sitting in a corner in 1.0 breaking down Crystals into Shards for hundreds of times to level up Alchemy back in the day).

Hi All,

If I may ask, what are the most successful HQ Rotations for the actual *Regular* 4 Star Equipment? (like Arachne Ninja Gear.)

Also, I noticed the Control Requirement (407) for the Recipes means I need to eat Control Food (or get the Free Company Buff) right?

Is it worth it for the loss of CP? (usually I'm so used to eating HQ Bouillabasse)

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Kiara

Hi All,

If I may ask, what are the most successful HQ Rotations for the actual *Regular* 4 Star Equipment? (like Arachne Ninja Gear.)

Also, I noticed the Control Requirement (407) for the Recipes means I need to eat Control Food (or get the Free Company Buff) right?

Is it worth it for the loss of CP? (usually I'm so used to eating HQ Bouillabasse)

Thanks!

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It depends on your rotation, but control is the easiest requirement to hit with gear, you don't even need your supra to hit it. I'd worry about gearing up first before you start on 4 star crafting, unless your FC doesn't mind you using the craft/control buffs anytime you need to craft something.

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Originally Posted by Bikpik

It depends on your rotation, but control is the easiest requirement to hit with gear, you don't even need your supra to hit it. I'd worry about gearing up first before you start on 4 star crafting, unless your FC doesn't mind you using the craft/control buffs anytime you need to craft something.

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Hi Bik,

Thanks. Actually my gear is max melded w/ a Supra and Offhand is Quad-Melded Tier IVs. Tne only thing I didn't upgrade yet is the New Artisan's Hands, Pants and Feet (which is like a Chicken-and-Egg Catch 22?)... I mean I can't craft the new 4 Star Recipes I unlocked without Control Food or the FC Buffs to *get* the Artisans Pants that should then help me craft 4 Stars better? Hm... :)

Eat control food or buy NQ Artisans off the market board, not terribly difficult. Would've been better to meld off-hand with control and use shark fin soup instead but it's probably too late for that if your off-hand is quad IV melded.

I'm kind of new to this "actually trying to make things with stars" thing. Actually, I pretty much suck at crafting in general, so forgive me for asking a dumb question.

So I'm having an odd issue with some of these suggested rotations for getting the HQs for the books. I'm completing the ones with early progresses about 1/4 of the way through. Is it because my craftsmanship is too high? I had eaten an HQ chilled popoto soup, and my FC action for control and craftsmanship are on. This puts me at 505 crafting and 420 control after taking all my gear and materia into account.

Should I try a different food? Wait for the buff to wear? Am I going about this the wrong way?

Use HQ Bouillabaisse instead. The food you're currently using is only good if you happen to be short on craftsmanship to reach 4 stars. Judging from your craftsmanship with buffs and food, you don't need the extra craftsmanship at all.

Hey, it looks like this thread got revived. I'm glad the rotation I posted helped people out.

I've learned a few things in the past month, and now use the rotation I listed for all of my 3* and 4* crafting, too (modified, of course). If you're interested, take a look:

★ = ToT

/ac Comfort zone <wait.2> ★
/ac Inner quiet <wait.2> ★
/ac Piece by piece <wait.3> ★
/ac Piece by piece <wait.3> ★
/ac IG2 <wait.2> ☆ ↑ToT This is optional, but I always do it
/ac SH2 <wait.2> ☆ ↑ToT Only if you haven't gotten at least 2
/ac Rapid <wait.3> ← Replace with Careful Synth II for 3*
/ac Rapid <wait.3> ← Replace with Careful Synth II for 3* and 4* crafts.
/ac Hasty <wait.3> ★
/ac Hasty <wait.3> ★
/ac Comfort zone <wait.2> ★
/ac Master's mend 2 <wait.3> ★ ← if you don't have 2 ToTs by now, you won't have enough CP (I prefer 3 or 4 ToT)
/ac SH2 <wait.2>
/ac Waste not 2<wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac SH2 <wait.2>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3>
/ac Hasty <wait.3> ★ ← If you aren't at 10 or 11 stacks, consider reclaiming. If you got at least 4 ToT's in, you can use Steady Hand II
Note: If you have more than 15 or 20 durability left, toss in a few more Hasty Touches
/ac greate stride <wait.2>
/ac byregot <wait.3>
/ac careful synth 2

Note: For food, eat HQ Bouillabaisse.