I used paypal (through ultimate pay) to buy crysta to pay for my sub and retainers, Camate replied to my other thread,Quote:
Originally Posted by Camate
thank you btw and said they are looking into a way to implement paypal I hope it happens soon since my sub is up in 17 days, and how would I pay for fantasia, retainers and other items? don't even start with time cards or pre-paid cards please.
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10-20-2014, 08:08 AMDarkStaoneDragonsub runs out in 17 days, how can I pay sub/additional services/items
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10-20-2014, 08:10 AMStumpedify
What's so hard about getting a debit card and registering it on the website? You have a bank account right? Debit cards are just normal bank cards that you can use online as if they were credit cards. Every bank should be able to provide one and if they can't, time to change your banking provider.
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10-20-2014, 08:13 AMDarkStaoneDragonIt was explained in my other thread..Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumpedify
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10-20-2014, 08:25 AMNghthawk
Clearly there are other options even in your old post, you just don't want to go that route. Clearly in your other post you have no idea what you are talking about with issue setting up billing address. Pre-paid cards can handle things like retainers, fantasia and such, time to wake up in the real world.
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10-22-2014, 04:04 PMAkira_Tenshi
Why are you being so aggressive to the guy? If you aren't going to help in a polite way then don't bother.
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10-22-2014, 04:26 PMStumpedifyBecause it's entertaining? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi
Fair enough, but to be honest, he doesn't want help. -
10-22-2014, 04:29 PMRaidenzbecause he has another thread about the same thing that has 9 pages of help :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Akira_Tenshi
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10-22-2014, 04:41 PMLemuria
Maybe he's paranoid about giving out debit card details online?
Personally, I'll never understand the concerns. The only way you'll get screwed over is by entering your full card details on dodgy or fake websites. Most business are covered by a ton of security layers, and will refund you in the unlikely event that something does go south. There's also countless fraud detections being undertaken by modern banks, so again there's very little concern on that front either, and when there is they're swiftly dealt with.
There are plenty of payment options available no matter which portion of the globe you reside on. It's your decision on whether or not you want to use them. -
10-22-2014, 04:46 PMFornixNot in all countries can debit cards be used for online payment. For example Dutch banks do not supply debit cards which can be used for online payment. Rather a system by the name of iDEAL is used, see http://www.ideal.nl/en/ for more info. Square Enix however does not support iDEAL. Credit card usage in the country is extremely low. Gametime cards or PayPal are pretty much the only remaining options. And the FFXIV gametime cards are scarcly available outside of major cities. Making it a bit of a hassle for those players to pay for FFXIV right now. Obviously not impossible, but far from consumer friendly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumpedify
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10-22-2014, 05:15 PMStumpedifyThat's very surprising. I guess not all countries are up with the play. I thought my country, which does offer debit cards, was a little behind.... regardless, based on what the OP has said previously, they don't have this problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fornix
From a google search it looks like the Dutch alternative is the Mastercard owned Maestro debit cards, which are the same thing as my Visa debit card. I wonder if that's considered a Mastercard? Because the mog station supports Mastercard debit cards. -
10-22-2014, 05:31 PMFornixIt's not a matter of being behind. It's a matter of the banks having adapted another system as there was no standard available. For international companies its very easy to incorporate iDEAL payments for the Dutch market as well. And the transaction rates for companies are lower than the transaction rates of e.g. credit card payments, making the incorporation of iDEAL a lucrative choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumpedify
Many international companies DO support payments by iDEAL. Valve allows for payment with iDEAL on Steam. Blizzard allows for payments with iDEAL. Sony allows for payments with iDEAL. Electronic Arts allows for payments with iDEAL on both Origin as well as within e.g. SWTOR. Etcetera.
Square Enix is in this sense behind by having a very limited range of transaction possibilities. Despite the ease of incorporating so much more.
Our debit cards are most often Maestro yes, but they're ATM only cards. Few are VISA, same story with those though. The cards lack a credit-card like number and any real form of authentication. It's a chip only form of payment on it, with pin-code. And up to a few years ago simply an old-fashioned swipe. For online payment by card, picking up a credit card is the only real alternative. For online payment by direct transaction, iDEAL or PayPal are your options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumpedify
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10-22-2014, 05:39 PMStumpedifyQuote:
Originally Posted by Fornix
That's interesting. Their website seems to say differently and even has a picture of a chipped Maestro card with the credit card numbers:
http://www.maestrocard.com/gateway/w...re_online.html
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10-22-2014, 05:48 PMFornixThis is the typical maestro debit card as which can be used for online payments:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumpedify
http://www.viewsonuk.com/wp-content/...stro-card1.gif
Note the credit card like number annotation, expiration date, and although can't be seen here, a similar security code on the back as with for example a mastercard.
This is however what a typical dutch debit card looks like:
https://www.ing.nl/Images/lr_ING_pin...m14-114668.jpg
Pasnummer is the debit card number, 223A456 in this example. There's no security code on the back. And due to the lacking of the required numbers, online payment with them is impossible. -
10-22-2014, 05:58 PMRivest
There is a lot of website that offer gamecardcodes.
They will send you the code per e-mail once you have payed.
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10-22-2014, 06:04 PMIgnnis
Does your country provide time cards? Your local gaming shop should sell them otherwise you can buy them on their website or amazon etc.
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10-22-2014, 06:04 PMStumpedifyQuote:
Originally Posted by Rivest
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Originally Posted by Ignnis
As long as the website you're buying it off supports iDeal :P
It's quite a refreshing change, that Dutch debit card problem is the first legitimate issue I've heard so far that could cause people to be unable to play following this sudden change to payment methods... too bad most of the people complaining don't have this problem and are just being stubborn. Feel for you, Fornix. Actually, how are you paying for it since you can't use Paypal atm? -
10-22-2014, 06:12 PMIgnnisWhy have you quoted me o0? The game time cards I am referring too are the official time cards that you purchase in video game stores (much like you would wow cards etc) and the website I'm referring too would be the site that belongs to your gaming store. For example, I have a GAME store where I live, if I can't purchase the time cards there I would visit GAME's online retail store. Amazon sell the exact same cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumpedify
If this is about online purchasing being the issue I don't know much about it but just buying in store would hopefully solve this problem. -
10-22-2014, 06:17 PMStumpedifyYou did mention buying online which is what I was responding to... the conversation has moved to being unable to use debit cards online.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignnis
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10-22-2014, 06:19 PMFornixIt's still not impossible for Dutch players though. There's plenty of Dutch webshops from which you can buy timecards in case local shops don't sell it anymore. It's merely a hassle, as often you'll have to deal with delivery costs or increased prices over online subscription. There's always the factor of delay, shipping after all takes at least 24 hours. And delivery by the national postal service is not done on Sunday and Monday in many regions. So if you realize on Saturday morning that your subscription is running out that day, at best you'll have a gametime card on Tuesday as physical delivery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stumpedify
There are some digital resellers, code by e-mail, etc. However my own experience with them is poor. I'd avoid it like the plague. Often there is a very low service standard. In case an e-mail is not sent out it tends to take several days prior to getting a response by e-mail. Contact by phone is often very poorly possible, simply either unanswered or a complete lack of interest. And with such a great deal of shady dealers out there selling stolen codes or reselling codes it's not unlikely to run into notices along the lines of "This code has already been entered".
But even though not impossible, it remains very consumer unfriendly to limit payment options to such an extent. For many more casual oriented players the hassle of dealing with timecards, delivery, etc may simply not be worth the return. -
10-22-2014, 06:21 PMIgnnis
If physical cards and debit cards are an issue looks like you'd just need to go to your bank and directly ask them "I need to use these services <list of payment options SE accepts> are there any cards that work with these" and just going along from there.