Co-Ownership of Private HOMES

Can you please enable us to co-own a property?

It just makes sense.

Sure, it's called private, but you implemented them into the same community wards as FC's.

I'd like to be able to share my house with my friends or loved ones.

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Originally Posted by Toodles

Can you please enable us to co-own a property?

It just makes sense.

Sure, it's called private, but you implemented them into the same community wards as FC's.


I'd like to be able to share my house with my friends or loved ones.

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Wouldn't simply create a FC with your friends or loved ones end up allowing you to do exactly that ? Barring meeting the requirements of reaching FC Rank 6 of course.

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Originally Posted by Evaddaragon

Wouldn't simply create a FC with your friends or loved ones end up allowing you to do exactly that ?

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Problem is need to level an FC for that which can take weeks even for a lively medium sized group. Can only imagine the length of time needed if it was 2 people (couples) or a tight nit small group.

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Originally Posted by chocomaid

Problem is need to level an FC for that which can take weeks even for a lively medium sized group. Can only imagine the length of time needed if it was 2 people (couples) or a tight nit small group.

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Yeah, that's why I added it in an edit. LOL


But seeing as there probably aren't plots available (at S-sized ones) on his server for now, he might as well do that. By the time his FC reaches Rank 6 or whatever the requirement is, he'd also have time to save up ?

I'm a part of a large FC but want to own a house with my small circle of friends.

We don't want to leave our FC but would enjoy the option to share a home outside of our FC's Estate.

I don't think requiring friends forming a privatized FC just to share their own home is a good solution.

I think it makes sense to allow co-ownership outside of FC.

Just saying "form a 2-man FC" is a bad solution. Bc then it means if you want to co-own a house with a friend, you can't be apart of a true FC (ie: larger group of people to hang with and help each other). That just replaces one problem with another.

I have a feeling at some point, you'll be able to share ownership with your marriage partner. But probably not at the start. And even then it would just be 2 people. If you're a group of 3 friends, someone's out of luck. :P

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Originally Posted by SalemP

Just saying "form a 2-man FC" is a bad solution. Bc then it means if you want to co-own a house with a friend, you can't be apart of a true FC (ie: larger group of people to hang with and help each other). That just replaces one problem with another.

I have a feeling at some point, you'll be able to share ownership with your marriage partner. But probably not at the start. And even then it would just be 2 people. If you're a group of 3 friends, someone's out of luck. :P

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Exactly. She gets it.

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Originally Posted by Evaddaragon

Wouldn't simply create a FC with your friends or loved ones end up allowing you to do exactly that ? Barring meeting the requirements of reaching FC Rank 6 of course.

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Sorry but I'm with this guy. You want a small FC and also a larger FC it sounds like. Why not just make a LS, pool your money together and buy a lot that is opened to everyone?

This is exactly the problem I'm having. My fiancée and I left our FC to make our own so we could have a house together, but now we're struggling to reach rank 6 with just the two of us, and are basically stuck with DF or PF to do any end game content.

It sounds like, someone bought a house and is no longer interested in it and wants to sell it but currently can't.

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Originally Posted by chocomaid

Problem is need to level an FC for that which can take weeks even for a lively medium sized group. Can only imagine the length of time needed if it was 2 people (couples) or a tight nit small group.

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I ranked up a free company to level 6 in less then a day and a half. It's not difficult to do at all. This was solo by the way.

I'm all for this. I would REALLY like to share my personal house with my Alt too.

There are no divorce attorneys in FFXIV.

I would like my house to have the option to be accout-bound so I can use it on my alt though.

Just because I want to stay in company with my FC mates, doesn't mean I don't want to enjoy a private residence with my smaller friend group.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Sorry but I'm with this guy. You want a small FC and also a larger FC it sounds like. Why not just make a LS, pool your money together and buy a lot that is opened to everyone?

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Sorry, but that just makes you oblivious.

People want to co-own because it reduces the burden of saving on an individual character and spreads it across 2 or more, and if i split the cost of a small house, why the hell shouldn't i be able to use the garden and stables it provides.

Also: Medium and Large plots should not be able to be owned by single individuals, they should be shared by multiple individuals and FC only.

^yes, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

Also: Medium and Large plots should not be able to be owned by single individuals, they should be shared by multiple individuals and FC only.

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Ah yes, I better be honest. I suppose I'm not as sensible as others because I have my own house, that being said, one of my "Neighbors" (read: People in Ward 6 of the Lavender Beds on Gilgamesh server) has his/her private mansion.


Quite honestly, I wouldn't know what to do with this much space. >.>

I don't think it makes him or me oblivious though. Basically, it's asking to be able to have more than one "FC" and remove the Rank 6 requirement. No matter what SE does, there will be a limit on housing space. At one point you have to draw the line. Not always fair I know, but it's not like I can't allow my friends to visit my private house either.

This would create a great way to sell houses. People are always going to be disappointed with housing as long as there is a shortage of plots. This wouldn't help the situation much as you would see larger FCs just start buying multiple houses. Accessibility already heavily outweighs availability.

You don't need co-ownership. There should be one owner, but you should be able to grant access to your friends and you can select the level access, be it garden, stable, decorations, furniture and private rooms, and the limit should be be small on the order of 10 or so. LS plus a house should not become a replacement for a FC.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

You don't need co-ownership. There should be one owner, but you should be able to grant access to your friends and you can select the level access, be it garden, stable, decorations, furniture and private rooms, and the limit should be be small on the order of 10 or so. LS plus a house should not become a replacement for a FC.

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No, there should be co-ownership or NO ownership of medium and large houses.

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

Sorry, but that just makes you oblivious.

People want to co-own because it reduces the burden of saving on an individual character and spreads it across 2 or more, and if i split the cost of a small house, why the hell shouldn't i be able to use the garden and stables it provides.

Also: Medium and Large plots should not be able to be owned by single individuals, they should be shared by multiple individuals and FC only.

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Sorry, but that makes you oblivious to what the OP is saying. They want to share a home, period. It doesn't matter the cost or the size. People don't want to share just because they want to split costs, that's just an assumption you've made. Sharing is sharing. This could be solved by letting people set privileges for people on their friend list, for example.

Also, you've given no justification for people not being allowed to own their own large or medium sized homes, which makes sense, seeing as there is none.

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Originally Posted by DefendPopPunk

Sorry, but that makes you oblivious to what the OP is saying. They want to share a home, period. It doesn't matter the cost or the size.

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Whoever said i was piggy backing off the OP?, its called a discussion topic for a reason, people put forth idea's and make others who are lessinformed become more so.


I stand by my stance: Medium and large houses should not be obtainable by individuals.

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People don't want to share just because they want to split costs, that's just an assumption you've made. Sharing is sharing. This could be solved by letting people set privileges for people on their friend list, for example.

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Sharing is sharing is not sharing. blahbydahblahblah.

The system you suggest would give one person full control over the estate, if said person had taken gil from any of the others to purchase said estate then all persons should be on the estate deed so control would never be fully in the hands of a singular persons, preventing them from screwing the other parties out of hard earned gil.

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Also, you've given no justification for people not being allowed to own their own large or medium sized homes, which makes sense, seeing as there is none.

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There are rules and regulations that come to mind regarding the distribution of living spaces in the real world when it comes to singular persons and small groups owning houses larger then they will ever need.

There is no need for a greedy lalafel, fat on his own extortions to own a mansion or house when fc's consisting of many peoples are already feeling the constraints of small cottages.

If the server is posing such a constraint on plot availability, then individuals should be limited in what they can obtain.

Confirmed in Fan Fest Live Letter, no current plans but considering it.

At least with your Eternal Bond Partner.

As expected.

It really would be stupid not to open up permissions. Considering how there isn't enough housing to support the amount of players, you'd think it would be an obvious move to allow people to share personal houses-whether by co-ownership or just allowing access to your friends list.

Unless SE has some grander plan up their sleeve.... but then again it's SE.... so I'm not holding out much hope.

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Originally Posted by Toodles

Confirmed in Fan Fest Live Letter, no current plans but considering it.

At least with your Eternal Bond Partner.

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I think the reasoning for that was something along the lines of how when marriage happens, it's great. But that greatness starts to die down and things can possibly start to get nasty and, all of a sudden, one of you has permissions revoked and/or all of your stuff is gone.

...and they're trying to find a way that works for everyone so players don't suffer the consequences of marrying the psycho-spouse from hell, whichever gender that person may be.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

...and they're trying to find a way that works for everyone so players don't suffer the consequences of marrying the psycho-spouse from hell, whichever gender that person may be.

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well.... don't enter into an arrangement with someone unless you trust/know/like them. That's all I can say about that.

This' already a potential issue with FC Officers, it's nothing new.

As well, they could make it like a 'forced prenup' where items bound to an individual are only removable by that individual without consent.

If the B wants to pick up her shish & go, she can only take her own shish.

They've already stated they'll be implementing divorce too, so terms for the sale of the property can be set in the divorce papers lol.

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Originally Posted by Parz3val

They've already stated they'll be implementing divorce too, so terms for the sale of the property can be set in the divorce papers lol.

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Is this for real or are you just having a laugh?

If it's true, I don't know how it would work (specifically with property sale) because when you sell a house, you don't get profit, the funds you originally spent on the property are lost to the aether and unless you already have the funding for a new house, you are SOL.

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Originally Posted by Archadius

Is this for real or are you just having a laugh?

If it's true, I don't know how it would work (specifically with property sale) because when you sell a house, you don't get profit, the funds you originally spent on the property are lost to the aether and unless you already have the funding for a new house, you are SOL.

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They need to allow us to sell homes, it's silly we can't.

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Originally Posted by SalemP

well.... don't enter into an arrangement with someone unless you trust/know/like them. That's all I can say about that.

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Hahaha. Knowing someone and thinking you know someone aren't exactly the same thing, though. Plus people change overtime. ^^

So, wait, at the fanfest they said they have no plans to allow you to share access to housing with your marriage partner, but are possibly considering it maybe down the road? Because that really sucks!

My RL wife and I play regularly from the same room. Our gil is generally pooled, with us splitting our money gathering efforts, like I catch fish and she desynths them and we both sell/give away the results based on whose retainer has free space and who feels like babysitting the MB prices. We've saved 30 mil so far and are getting more as time passes. Our plan is to keep saving until we can share a house, and then buy the biggest, best one we can afford. It's silly for only one of us to be able to access the house's features, and buying two houses next to each other seems like a stupid waste. Also, we both want to decorate the same space and modify each other's placements and so on.

We're already in a rather large FC and are happy there. We love decorating areas just like we love making outfits for our characters. We don't want to mess with the FC's house setup, but we want to play with housing on our own.

What's the danger with letting people do that? I don't get it. One person can own the house and the other can have access - that's fine. That way, you can't sell a house, just give someone else access. As long as each person can only own one house, there's no fear of someone buying up all the houses and selling them, or selling access to them. If you need to limit it, it can be limited to only marriage partners on top of that. A bit excessive, but whatever. The biggest thing though is that the problem with housing is availability. There's a limited amount of space out there. Why can't people share? That will vastly help the fact that there are not enough plots for everyone who wants one.

Argh, I just, I don't understand SE's decisions most of the time. They make no logical sense and are bad for everyone, themselves included. Their decisions support RMT at the expense of the players, and they limit content to a small number of players at the expense of others, both of which are against their stated goals. They're not morons, so why do they continue to act so stupidly?

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

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My fiancée and I are in very similar position. I'm not very concerned with housing, but it'd be nice to have shared access so I can keep my choco in the stable, tend to the garden when necessary, teleport to the aetheryte, help her decorate, etc. I'd be happy to be in a sort of "sub-contracted" position even, limiting my control over the estate... But alas, SE has chosen to sweep this under the rug, it seems.

More players sharing & not eating up every plot individually would be a big win.

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Originally Posted by SalemP

well.... don't enter into an arrangement with someone unless you trust/know/like them. That's all I can say about that.

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http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/marriage-divorce.htm

In America alone, half of all married couples end up getting divorced, statistically speaking. In an MMO where a lot less responsibility is taken, that number, in Eorzea, could jump to 80%. Easily.

...and if there is shared housing established when that divorce happens, that could be a serious problem that involves a lot of whining divorcees losing items to the other divorcee. It's easy to say "tough luck" when you're not a GM or a developer.

I am hoping, however, that the devs think of a way to implement shared housing in just such a way that allows everyone to be happy. I just wanna make sure everyone understands what could happen if this isn't approached carefully.

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Originally Posted by Evaddaragon

Hahaha. Knowing someone and thinking you know someone aren't exactly the same thing, though. Plus people change overtime. ^^

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people don't change.
their issues just become more and more obvious.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

...and if there is shared housing established when that divorce happens, that could be a serious problem that involves a lot of whining divorcees losing items to the other divorcee. It's easy to say "tough luck" when you're not a GM or a developer.

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This explanation is pure BS. The same situation exists with an FC where the FC leader could kick everyone on a whim and steal the house for himself, along with the FC coffers. One person is put nominally in charge of a house, that person can't buy another house, and that person can set permissions on the house. That person can kick others off the access list on a whim. Don't trust the person you're marrying in game, or want to protect yourself? Make them buy the house with their own gil if they want ownership, or you be the one to have ownership of it.

That is a social issue. Game design decisions are not based around social issues like that. If they were, the unexpected behavior where you can promote someone above your own rank and steal money from an FC's coffers would have been fixed by now.

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

people don't change.
their issues just become more and more obvious.

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I still think people do change. However when they do, the process is slow and steady. Most of your close relatives don't notice right away, but anyone who doesn't see you for a long time instantly notices.

Let players settle who gets the house in the case of an in-game divorce.

Boom easy.