I currently have a UAT to use for a weapon and was wandering among these classes which one would benefit more from it. If i really didn't wanna do the animus/novus grind: BLM,DRG or SMN all of these classes are i91.
Soldiery 110 weapons
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08-05-2014, 04:25 AMMakototokiSoldiery 110 weapons
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08-05-2014, 04:34 AMUninstall
smn>drg>>>blm
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08-05-2014, 04:56 PMMaero
I have not yet looked at stats on smn and drg but can tell you the blm weapon is great. Hits harder but i have lost spell speed so use food now.
Accuracy from what i recall is rather high as well, Novus d'ont worry about it is not leaps ahead of soldiery weapon -
08-05-2014, 05:37 PMMachetazzo
SMN stats are just great for Soldiery wep. CRIT and DET, just like a dream!
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08-05-2014, 05:59 PMSynestr
Get it for the job you enjoy the most. I would say DRG or BLM, but those are the DPS jobs out of the ones you listed that I have. SMN is next on my list though.
Which would benefit the most from the stats you would gain? Hands down the liberator is the best right now for DRG. I was perusing the rotation reborn thread and it's getting a lot of love.
Just my 2g
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08-05-2014, 08:39 PMAurelle_Delacroix
Well, considering the BiS for BLM is the Laeventinn (not including T9 drops) than I would shoot to get that. If you have anything like my luck (where no BLM weapons ever drop from T5, Levi, etc) than getting the UAT i110 weapon is the way to go. Especially if the animus/novus grind isn't something you want to do. I second SCH and only use my SMN if my FC needs an extra rez user so I can't be much help there. And my DRG is only level 34 soooo yah. Biased opinion ahoy!!!
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08-05-2014, 11:23 PMMercuryD
I would say SMN > DRG > BLM. I'm apparently unpopular in that I don't hold Leav at a high level :/ but honestly, go with whatever you feel you would enjoy most.
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08-05-2014, 11:42 PMNumenor1379Laeventinn and Novus have the same main stats, on that basis neither is any better than the other. However a Novus with maxed SSPD and DET (or perhaps also PIE as well) will give better dps. I would rank the Novus above the Laeventinn if it is properly upgraded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurelle_Delacroix
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08-06-2014, 11:03 AMPowercowPrecisely. Novus weapons break the rules when it comes to itemization costs. Normally Determination is about 40-50% more expensive point for point than crit, acc, or SS. On the Novus, however, 1 point of Determination is worth 1 point of the others, though the maximum you can apply is 31.Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
Ex: Glanzfaust is 44 accuracy, 22 determination. A Novus could have 44 accuracy, 31 determination (though most wouldn't put so much into accuracy, spreading most into crit/det.) Still, assuming the same main/sub for secondary stats, the Novus just gets more. -
08-06-2014, 12:30 PMEmpressiaexcuse me but which part of BURST ALPHA DD aka BLM needs DET aka SUSTAINED damage? which part of BURST = CRIT tat u didn't make it for ur novus? BLM novus is best geared like HA staff SPS CRIT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
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08-06-2014, 02:40 PMNumenor1379You might want to go check the BLM threads on this page as there's been a LOT of discussion on this. The best stats for BLM dps are INT > DET > SSPD > CRIT, in that order. You don't want the Novus to be ACC/SSPD as that'd be the Laevateinn, and frankly really pointless if you're going for improved damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Empressia
BLMs do have good burst ability, but it is in no way determined by our CRIT stat. Rather it's governed by having procs ready to be used quickly (along with Swiftcast/Convert/ethers/etc...). Sustained damage is a lot more useful to BLMs than a 0.1% increase in crit chances. The only reason the HA Staff is top dog is it's WD and INT stats. Putting SSPD and DET on the Novus is the best combination you can get (and if you want 251 PIE all the time, using the Novus stats for it isn't a bad idea either). -
08-06-2014, 07:38 PMYanderePrincessBased on those threads, det becomes superior to the other stats once you already have "Enough" of those stats. That said, according to those threads, yes, SS+Det is the better combination for Stardust Rod Novus. It would also be desirable for HA Staff to have det instead of crit, but we don't get a choice on that. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
Essentially, we already get so much crit easily from all our other gear, far more easily than we get det, to the point that crit becomes devalued so that since -can- choose what's on Novus, we can use that as an opportunity to grab some much needed Det. -
08-07-2014, 12:02 AMUninstall
I am pretty sure it's SS+Crit on HA is still technically better according to those threads.
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08-07-2014, 02:56 AMChaozK
Considering they are i110 weapons they are all good, so get the one for the class you want to play the most.
When it comes to secondary stats the SMN weapon is the most desirable with det+crit. The DRG one is rather bad because it has speed as its big secondary stat, which is the least desirable stat for DRG.
BLM is decent but if you dont need accuracy it might be a bad choice too. -
08-07-2014, 06:53 AMNumenor1379Only because the HA Staff has more WD and INT than the i110 weapons do. If people were given the chance to swap the CRIT stat for DET people would do it in a second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uninstall
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08-07-2014, 07:10 AMUninstallNo they wouldn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
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08-07-2014, 07:27 AMNumenor1379Then go find current posts saying that CRIT + SSPD is better than DET + SSPD and prove it. As I'm pretty sure you're out of date on your info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uninstall
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08-09-2014, 05:51 AMUninstallI've never seen any source with determination being weighted above 0.27 for BLM and crit has never been below 0.205. Not sure what kind of math you're doing that results in determination being better than crit for BLM's High Allagan weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
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08-09-2014, 07:12 AMYanderePrincessI don't know why you're pulling those numbers out specifically, but regarding DET+SS being superior to Crit + SS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uninstall
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2303733
Since, according to that post, 31 det + 44 SS is superior to 44 Crit + 31 SS, it's pretty clear that 32 Det + 46 SS is superior to 32 Crit + 46 SS. Thus, it would be preferable for HA to have Det in place of Crit, if we had a choice in the matter (which we don't).
And I know you saw the recent stat weights Puro posted, you posted on that same page of the thread. While no, he didn't weight them above .27 and below .205, det was a good .04 above crit in weight, which means if you were able to choose between 32 Det and 32 Crit with no other differences, the 32 Det would win. -
08-09-2014, 07:28 AMChaozK
That only applies to novus though, since normally a piece of gear would give you less points in determination than it would give you in speed or crit. To put it in numbers, you get 0.419 more accuracy/crit/speed, than you get determination, making crit actually more valuable than det. Its more a special trait of novus that it weights det the same as the other stats, each costing one meld.
Assuming we wouldnt talk about novus, an 110 weapon would have 31 det/31 SS or 44 crit/31 SS, in which case the crit weapon would be slightly superior. -
08-09-2014, 07:29 AMUninstall
Your entire post is irrelevant because you cannot have 32 det while maintaining 46 spell speed on the High Allagan. The current stat on the HA Staff is as ideal as it can get for us and I am simply disagreeing with "It would also be desirable for HA Staff to have det instead of crit, but we don't get a choice on that. lol" I just cannot see 32 crit ever losing to 23 determination.
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08-09-2014, 08:15 AMNumenor1379My statement was supposed to be understood in the context of having the same value of DET as you have CRIT. Of course if you drop the DET as usually happens then CRIT wins. I was remarking that if you could keep the same stat numbers then a DET HA Staff would be preferred.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uninstall
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08-09-2014, 11:20 AMYanderePrincessMy entire post is irrelevant when I show that DET > Crit despite you arguing Crit > Det?Quote:
Originally Posted by Uninstall
Also, my hypothetical situation I stated was, very clearly, if we could make the choice the same as we can on Novus, we would rather have DET+SS than the CRIT+SS that's on HA. You're the one making asinine, irrelevant changes to what was said to try and prove you're right. -
08-09-2014, 12:56 PMUninstall
I argued 32 crit is better than 23 determination because that's what you can have on a High Allagan weapon. For a normal weighted weapon, like every single piece of equipment sans the Novus, crit > det and that's exactly why HA's stats are ideal for us.
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08-09-2014, 01:22 PMYanderePrincessNo, you argued that 32 Crit is better than 32 Determination, because that's what I said we would -rather- have on the HA Staff if we had the choice. No one ever said anything about 23 determination. That's your own little delusion because you can't admit you were wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uninstall
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08-09-2014, 01:44 PMUninstallYou never said 32 det either. Why would anyone assume it would be 32 det when that's not even possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by YanderePrincess
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08-09-2014, 04:15 PMNumenor1379Because if you'd bothered to read our discussion we were talking hypothetical stats on the HA Staff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uninstall
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08-09-2014, 05:28 PMUninstallNo shit, are you saying 23 det on HA staff isn't within the realm of hypothetical discussion?Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
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08-10-2014, 03:36 AMNumenor1379No it's not. Because as you have said, given the normal weighting of stat values you could never have 32 DET while keeping 46 SSPD. This entire time you have been ignoring the little fact that we were discussing what stats would be preferred if the HA Staff was treated the same as the Novus. So here is what we have been saying in language even you can understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uninstall
If the HA Staff was treated the same as the Novus Staff with regards to the stat weight of DET (and therefore did not have it's total number of stat points reduced because of a high DET number) then the prefered stats on the HA Staff would be DET and SSPD. -
08-10-2014, 04:14 AMUninstall
Never once did you ever mention whether the HA will be treated the same as the Novus.
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08-10-2014, 04:39 AMNumenor1379Well, I'd assume that when stating you're "swapping" DET for CRIT you'd just be changing the stat name, not the stat value. Especially since we were only talking the stat's themselves, not the numbers associated with them. Treating the stats the same as the Novus one's comes as a natural conclusion of doing what we were talking about. In addition, we'd never once mentioned LOWERING the Determination stat to match what normal gear has as a ratio... that was your own fantasy addition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uninstall
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08-10-2014, 05:46 AMUninstallShouldn't have assumed :>Quote:
Originally Posted by Numenor1379
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08-10-2014, 07:27 AMYanderePrincessBecause, if you actually bothered to pay any attention to context, the statement was the hypothetical situation of being able to choose what's on your HA Staff in the same manner as you can choose what's on your Novus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uninstall
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08-10-2014, 07:28 AMYanderePrincessIt was blatantly obvious in the context of the discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uninstall
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08-10-2014, 07:29 AMYanderePrincessYou were the one making assumptions, actually, despite the very clear context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Uninstall
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08-10-2014, 08:11 AMKamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri
Novus Weapons > Soldiery Weapons
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08-12-2014, 03:05 AMMaero
Weapon is only as good as the blm is, meaning a blm can have a nice weapon but if they dont know the blm class, well you get point.
Like i said previously Novus is only much better if you have good stats added in and really Soldiery weapon is perfectly fine for current content, just look at the stats and certainly good enough to do 2nd coil.
The 4 + months of atma grinding to get atma weapon got to me so i just went soldiery route.
We cannot predict what sort of content and new weapons SE will add in future updates either, so Novus may be slightly better but who is to say other weapons may not take it's place.