Little updates weekly vs Great updates Monthly

What do you like?

i want little updates, coz seems like game is continually evolving. For example, could be goood to see little updates like:

- Revamp food system
- Search System
- UI upgrade
- Transportation

all them individually seems to me a better option than wait 2-3 month for a huge update.

More sidequests, like...twice as many as were in this patch.

I had fun the first three days post-patch just running around doing quests, now I'm out of quests to do.

I would much rather see a bi-weekly update. Maybe every other Sunday we could get an update on the content they've finished testing out, rather than hold it back and release one big update. A weekly update might become annoying after a while.

While I kinda agree I think there are a lot of things that just require a bigger incubation period to get ready. There are a lot of teams working on a bunch of tasks... Right now it seems that the bigger things are holding back the littler ones, but there will have to be bigger projects. Maybe alternating between small and big releases could be a middle ground?

id prefer a weekly or biweekly update but i doubt it would be technically possible. The changes that are needed are too...big. Honestly they need a huge patch every month at this rate cause the jp forums are just raging at 1.18

Let's allow Square Enix to publish at least one patch per month, before we get a little to over zealous and ask for little patches weekly haha. Their goal is to patch the game once per month, and we really haven't gotten a steady rate for patches yet. Once the game stabilizes for patch rates then ask away. Just my opinion. I don't think a patch per week would help the game, most of the patch content would be spent on bug fixes from the previous patches, and the new content would release new bugs and it would be an every ending cycle of us checking the dev posts for new stuff, and only seeing bug fixes and typo changes >.<

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

id prefer a weekly or biweekly update but i doubt it would be technically possible. The changes that are needed are too...big. Honestly they need a huge patch every month at this rate cause the jp forums are just raging at 1.18

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Really? What are they raging about?

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Really? What are they raging about?

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well im on page 32 atm and still got 20 more pages to go.
Currently the repeated topics on the Patch 1.18 threads are:

-overall wtf?
-"You didnt test this did you?/what are you thinking?/Do you guys actually find this fun before you release it?/lol yoshiP-beta"
-Cure hate rage
-MP cost rage
-repair rate rage
-snail(auto)-attack rage
-leve quest SP rage
-behest rage
-Imbalance rage (including THM/CON issue and solo/party play)
-passive/active mode changing (they dont like the characters sliding) this was a bit menial i think tho...

-dungeons- are about the only thing thats got a neutral if not good impression. Just they are angry at the above implements. and some anger on the con/arc/gla focused setups

and its probably safe to say that "8 out of 10 are not happy"
and "1-3 out of the 8 think its crap"

compared to them the NA forums are largely optimistic.
thers so much complaint on the JP side that you dont see as much pple backing up the optimistic side like we see in the NA forums. (like here some pple would bash them if they complained too much and call them trolls)

"snail(auto)-attack" FINALLY someone said it.

There's nothing like paying for a game who's primary means of playing is waiting, and waiting, and waiting...

Glad to see jps were raging too, i asked if they were just was curious haha. I guess I don't feel so bad if the rage was global.

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

Glad to see jps were raging too, i asked if they were just was curious haha. I guess I don't feel so bad if the rage was global.

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The real difference comes in the fact that they're probably a whole lot more constructive overall, making proper use of dev tags, and posting in the proper feedback forums instead of shoving *everything* in General Discussion like all the BS in the English forums ._.

Wow, the jps are beyond any help at this point. Scary.

You may be happy with biweekly patches, but that would slow down their development immensely. Planning, testing and preparing everything separately instead of as a focused, effective effort. Especially when planning must sometimes take place months beforehand. Good luck coordinating that.

Dividing the large patches into two slowed them down too, but not as much.

It's easy to make a decision when you aren't taking everything into account.

As far as my opinion goes, they need to fix the game for the people paying for it as soon as possible and not cater to the tiny population that won't appreciate the extra work regardless.

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Originally Posted by Verecund

"snail(auto)-attack" FINALLY someone said it.

There's nothing like paying for a game who's primary means of playing is waiting, and waiting, and waiting...

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Imo this slower auto attack is ALOT better than the alternative^^ faster hits + lower tp per hit AND lower dmg. Last thing we need is another mmo where auto - attack makes up less than 10% of your dmg and your dmg is all but dependent on abilities. This also keeps it more strategic in building alot of great passives for auto like 11 and not having to have a specific mind numbing ability rotation that never changes... my thoughts anyways :P Would be nice to have a balance of FF 11's auto attack system where it mattered and had lots of options plus factors but also more like modern mmo's where you have more abilities to use in between (Which we already have tbh) and attack delay isn't quite as long!

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

and its probably safe to say that "8 out of 10 are not happy"
and "1-3 out of the 8 think its crap"

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This statement lacks a real statistic. The complainers are always the one who wants to make theor voice heard, while the ones who are satisfied keep a low profile. Watch things getting nerfed, MP use getting lowered(too far), hate being facerolled by tanks etc after a fix or whatever may come, THEN you will see everyone who was fine with the patch starting their rage complaints...

That's why I like the "Like" Button. Cause peolpe who are satisfied can click it and show that way, they are satisfied without needing their voice to be heard and I'm sorry...all threads that were "positively" speaking of the patch had more likes, then the ones speaking negatively of it...so go figure.

Until our resident subligar wearer confirms this, I don't believe for a second that the JP forums are "raging".

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

This statement lacks a real statistic. The complainers are always the one who wants to make theor voice heard, while the ones who are satisfied keep a low profile. Watch things getting nerfed, MP use getting lowered(too far), hate being facerolled by tanks etc after a fix or whatever may come, THEN you will see everyone who was fine with the patch starting their rage complaints...

That's why I like the "Like" Button. Cause peolpe who are satisfied can click it and show that way, they are satisfied without needing their voice to be heard and I'm sorry...all threads that were "positively" speaking of the patch had more likes, then the ones speaking negatively of it...so go figure.

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your just looking for excuses. The "button" does you no good if you cant read japanese.... yeah i see a crap ton of "likes" there but how are you suppose to know...

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Originally Posted by Eekiki

Until our resident subligar wearer confirms this, I don't believe for a second that the JP forums are "raging".

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ignorance is bliss
the resident subligar was one of the pple that posted there that was disgruntled. I think he quoted that his wife got fed up the first day of the patch.
Why is it a surprise that other pple can read japanese too, it cant be THAT rare can it?
you sound like youll blindly beleive him if he told you they were 100% happy ;P
"The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off."

Large bimonthly updates till the games core structure is solid enough to expand on.
Then monthly updates for content addition with semi weekly updates for smaller content and bug fixes.

In my opinion steady smaller patches is the better way to go about it. That way a relatively small number of things change so it's easier on the bug fixing side of things, easier to pinpoint a bug occurring in a specific system. They would have time to fix it and ship it out in one of the following updates. Also even if it's something small the community is always getting something new. So instead of people finishing things in 1 week and then going afk until the next huge patch you'll have something to keep them coming back more often at the very least just to see the changes.

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

well im on page 32 atm and still got 20 more pages to go.
Currently the repeated topics on the Patch 1.18 threads are:

-overall wtf?
-"You didnt test this did you?/what are you thinking?/Do you guys actually find this fun before you release it?/lol yoshiP-beta"
-Cure hate rage
-MP cost rage
-repair rate rage
-snail(auto)-attack rage
-leve quest SP rage
-behest rage
-Imbalance rage (including THM/CON issue and solo/party play)
-passive/active mode changing (they dont like the characters sliding) this was a bit menial i think tho...

-dungeons- are about the only thing thats got a neutral if not good impression. Just they are angry at the above implements. and some anger on the con/arc/gla focused setups

and its probably safe to say that "8 out of 10 are not happy"
and "1-3 out of the 8 think its crap"

compared to them the NA forums are largely optimistic.
thers so much complaint on the JP side that you dont see as much pple backing up the optimistic side like we see in the NA forums. (like here some pple would bash them if they complained too much and call them trolls)

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Do you mean page 32 of the forum :confused:, or 32 of a single complaint thread. If it's the latter then that has to be nice getting all the raging in one thread, but if its the former then man they post a hell of a lot more threads than we do.

It does surprise me to hear JP players raging over the SP changes to leves. I know that JP players did a lot of leve-linking groups because how of how good the XP was from that; but honestly I didn't think anyone would be sorry to see that go. I too regret not taking advantage of that broken system as much as I could have, but I hope XP parties will be able to compete better in terms of xp/hour once we get them fully fixed up in 1.2.

Grind groups are so much better though for the game/community, if not in terms of XP (at least until we get xp chains maybe and other enhancements to them in 1.2) then at least in terms of how enjoyable they are as a means of leveling. Leve-linking every 36 hours was crap, I would rage if they brought that back as the primary form of group leveling.

The other thing that surprises me is auto-attack rage. On my LNC, Pugilist, and GLA I never have to wait for any significant period of time while auto attack builds TP like I did in XI, and during that time I'm generally using other abilities. When you throw in the "special" basic attacks that remain, I guess I see auto-attack as a complete afterthought mostly with the only difference from the previous system being that I don't have to spam it near as much (which I consider a big plus).

small weekly, bi-weekly updates/patches are nice but remember FFXI's patcher sucks big time! (doesn't affect me)
every patch/update going to make everyone download the full patch every time...

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

small weekly, bi-weekly updates/patches are nice but remember FFXI's patcher sucks big time! (doesn't affect me)
every patch/update going to make everyone download the full patch every time...

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Subligar d00d, we need you to tell us what the JP forums are doing!

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Do you mean page 32 of the forum :confused:, or 32 of a single complaint thread. If it's the latter then that has to be nice getting all the raging in one thread, but if its the former then man they post a hell of a lot more threads than we do.

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they currently have 50 pages worth of posts in that particular thread. At the time i was reading from page 1 and just reached the 32nd page of that thread. The complaints where pretty much the same so it was easy to remember. Even saw multiple posts that quoted 'shyt patch'

Weekly patches would be tricky unless you want them released untested.

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

they currently have 50 pages worth of posts in that particular thread. At the time i was reading from page 1 and just reached the 32nd page of that thread. The complaints where pretty much the same so it was easy to remember. Even saw multiple posts that quoted 'shyt patch'

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Just remember the 'shyt patch' note was only posted on first few pages, towards the end it's more about the instance raids which shouldn't be on that thread lol.
+ look at the posts those guys that posted those comments, all their posts are basically complaints about this game even before 1.18.

I wouldn't call it a rage though, it's pretty normal when big change like this happened, dev's just need to hurry up and start releasing info on 1.19 now since like YoshiP said in his letter 1.18 will first be bad for players but 1.19 supposed to follow up and fix those.

There are good positive comments in there also, JP's made 2 threads on what they like about 1.18 and what they don't. Pretty much same thing but separated.

One main rage I see is from the crafters mad about the active mobs, feel sorry for them + the death penalty should of waited later patches the 10% is hitting really hard.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Just remember the 'shyt patch' note was only posted on first few pages, towards the end it's more about the instance raids which shouldn't be on that thread lol.
+ look at the posts those guys that posted those comments, all their posts are basically complaints about this game even before 1.18.

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no it was actually scattered here and there in the middle parts of the 50 page thread too, those are in the longer posts. I read the forums at work so i have time to look through every post.

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I wouldn't call it a rage though, it's pretty normal when big change like this happened, dev's just need to hurry up and start releasing info on 1.19 now since like YoshiP said in his letter 1.18 will first be bad for players but 1.19 supposed to follow up and fix those.

There are good positive comments in there also, JP's made 2 threads on what they like about 1.18 and what they don't. Pretty much same thing but separated.

One main rage I see is from the crafters mad about the active mobs, feel sorry for them + the death penalty should of waited later patches the 10% is hitting really hard.

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quite honestly i was blown aback by the upfront-ness of their posts and sometimes it sounded so condescending. Its something i dont see in the NA forums at all. If this is actually considered 'normal' then im going to have more fun spending time there lol

I guess I don't really care either way. I just dont like having to download a huge unnecessary patch just to receive a small tweak to the search function or what have you.

So perhaps under duress I would have to admit that monthly updates would be my personal preference.

If you guys use fire fox get this add-on I don't use for JP to English but mainly for German, French rep responses but this lets you translate any paragraph, word, page instantly.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...-and-google-t/

At least it gives you general idea, just remember to read the whole paragraph, sentence since JP language sometimes makes it sound like one way but means other way due to their sentence structure.

Here is the JP thread about 1.18 - two for now.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/17754
and
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/17013

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

If you guys use fire fox get this add-on I don't use for JP to English but mainly for German, French rep responses but this lets you translate any paragraph, word, page instantly.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...-and-google-t/

At least it gives you general idea, just remember to read the whole paragraph, sentence since JP language sometimes makes it sound like one way but means other way due to their sentence structure.

Here is the JP thread about 1.18 - two for now.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/17754
and
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/17013

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also gotta remember that some translations dont let the reader know sarcasm from another language. ;o altho theres nothing that can be done for that unless its manually translated. So for those using this translation link, if you see some weird 'politeness' to the posts, and theres a good bunch of "likes", its most likely the form of jp 'come-here-i-will-slap-you' silent anger

caution: this translator is....too funny
DO NOT read this at work.

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Originally Posted by Deceptistar

also gotta remember that some translations dont let the reader know sarcasm from another language. ;o altho theres nothing that can be done for that unless its manually translated. So for those using this translation link, if you see some weird 'politeness' to the posts, and theres a good bunch of "likes", its most likely the form of jp 'come-here-i-will-slap-you' silent anger

caution: this translator is....too funny
DO NOT read this at work.

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LOL I just tried it ... why the hell is translation this bad with JP to English? German and French translations isn't this bad lolol

it seems every time we DL a patch it is current fixes plus past patches, I would hate to have to do this every week.

This answer is a total cop out, but I'd like them to do small patches while the game needs tweaks and when the core is solid larger patches(monthly or bi-monthly) would be great.