2.3 BiS Bard Equips?

Hey guys, I noticed there's a lot of Best in Slot gears online but many of them focus on 2.2 patches, -some- you find using the Weathered stuff from Soldiery, others the Allagon etc.

But I've noticed a lot of Bards in game (least on Malboro) who are rocking the Saurian Equipment (The crafted one in HQ) and loaded up with Materia. The problem is that now that the patch is still relatively new, I was curious if anyone knows if this Saurian gear has replaced the others in terms of BiS? Or is a sacrificing of Def and Magic Defense to get the added benefit of materia?

Some insight would be helpful, cause I'm to the point where I either start grinding for those, or grinding to get the Soldiery stuff / Sands / Oils etc.

2.2 BiS is still BiS. Pentamelded 90 gear doesn't compare to 110.

Gotcha, thanks for the info. Though, I am getting kinda curious why I see so many bards in Malboro rocking out in Saurian. It's not glamour'd either, it's straight up equipped on them and decked out in Materia.

Maybe for frontline?

/shrug

Thanks though ^^

Nope. Most likely these characters are alternates, or new people who just gained access to coil. Alternately, some of these Saurian pieces when melded are better than the i100 gears until they got their HA BiS drops.

Saurian pants/skirt is largely popular due to Bards having accuracy issues down the line. However, it is now solved in a sense that Syrus Tower drops a very nice i100 accuracy pants.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

2.2 BiS is still BiS. Pentamelded 90 gear doesn't compare to 110.

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Actually, I ran the BiS solver on ariyala before 2.3 hit and was consistently getting i90 gear in my BiS sets. Average ilvl was usually around 105. Granted, it was SkSp heavy, but it still had a higher weight. . .

If you believe in stat weights, they will actually tell you non body/pants crafted left side will be BiS, as well as the new Ramuh ring.

What about the amon stuff? The hands and feet are both crit/acc

I made this a few weeks ago, not including T9 drops. It may not be optimal but it seemed pretty good : (I need to work on a crit/det novus set, it may be better)

artemis novus 44acc/31 det
HA mask (T7)
auroral tabard
HA gloves (T7)
HA breeches (T8)
auroral sash
HA boots (T6)
HA choker (T8)
auroral earring
HA bracelet (T7)
auroral ring
HA ring (T8)
black truffle risotto HQ

costs 2 oils and 2 sands of time

stats for Miqo'te Seeker of the Sun
576 dext / 511 acc / 496 crit / 331 deter / 408 skillspeed / 467 vita



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artemis novus 44 crit/31 det
HA mask (T7)
auroral tabard
HA gloves (T7)
HA breeches (T8)
auroral sash
HA boots (T6)
auroral choker
auroral earring
auroral wristlet
auroral ring
HA ring (T8)
black truffle risotto HQ

costs 4 oils and 2 sands of time

stats for Miqo'te Seeker of the Sun
576 dext / 505 acc / 522 crit / 345 deter / 370 skillspeed / 467 vita

As I don't know the effect of dropping acc for T9, it seems sub-par. Though if getting to 505 doesn't drop too much the hit %, you'll get +26 crit and +14 determination at the cost of 38 SkSp.

BiS list never changed in 2.3, if you use anything sub i110 you're losing out on main stat, and any bard that thinks that's worth secondary stat doesn't understand how min maxing works in this game xD

T_T though I wish that wasn't the case and we would have gotten even i111 gear T_T

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Originally Posted by RathSkybreaker

BiS list never changed in 2.3, if you use anything sub i110 you're losing out on main stat, and any bard that thinks that's worth secondary stat doesn't understand how min maxing works in this game xD

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Yep, I mean, there's no way that 20 Crit at a .315 weighting makes up for a loss of 6 Dex, or that the 20 SkSp at a .146 weight you can add in on top of that Crit could make up for the 1 Determination loss at a .318 weight. I mean, surely there's no conceivable way that i90 boots could beat the 110 boots!

/sarcasm

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

2.2 BiS is still BiS. Pentamelded 90 gear doesn't compare to 110.

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Not true. For your own DPS, you are mostly right (and Viridiana gave you an example), but a BRD with a lot of piety can run FOE for 10+ minutes and increase the average DPS of the whole group.

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Originally Posted by Alcyon1

Not true. For your own DPS, you are mostly right (and Viridiana gave you an example), but a BRD with a lot of piety can run FOE for 10+ minutes and increase the average DPS of the whole group.

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Please tell me how much PIE a BRD needs to have to play Foe for 10+ mins, sensei.

Since I can't make a new thread going to ask here. I'm just starting to to T6-9 coils and was wondering about stats I should worry about. Right not my acc is at 516 but because of this I am losing lots of crit. Is my acc high enough or can I even down grade it to get more of a crit up. So right now I have a Dex of 514 Acc 516 Crit 426 and determination of 267. Any pin others would be great. Ilevel 94

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Please tell me how much PIE a BRD needs to have to play Foe for 10+ mins, sensei.

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Considering 1965 MP lasts about a minute and 1 PIE = 8 MP.

2381 PIE needed to sing foe requiem for 10 minutes

But this doesn't take into account natural MP regeneration. I don't know the value for that.

the ramuh ring + ha ring should be bis since 2.3

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Considering 1965 MP lasts about a minute and 1 PIE = 8 MP.

2381 PIE needed to sing foe requiem for 10 minutes

But this doesn't take into account natural MP regeneration. I don't know the value for that.

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First thing, 1PIE=8MP is wrong for BRD, or any class/job that are not caster. 1PIE = 5.26/5.27MP for BRDs

Battle MP regen is 2% of your max MP.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

First thing, 1PIE=8MP is wrong for BRD, or any class/job that are not caster. 1PIE = 5.26/5.27MP for BRDs

Battle MP regen is 2% of your max MP.

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IF Foe is at 133 MP consumed per tick, it needs 1011 PIE to have 10 mins of foe

1265 pie gives theorically infinite foe time

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

so... your point is?

if you guys haven't catch it, my original reply was sarcasm to Alcyon's post that says

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just quoting you for the sake of the numbers. Was continuing the math done before. Either way it's a dumb try to get 10 mins+ foe

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

IF Foe is at 133 MP consumed per tick, it needs 1011 PIE to have 10 mins of foe

1265 pie gives theorically infinite foe time

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so... your point is?

if you guys haven't catch it, my original reply was sarcasm to Alcyon's post that says

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Not true. For your own DPS, you are mostly right (and Viridiana gave you an example), but a BRD with a lot of piety can run FOE for 10+ minutes and increase the average DPS of the whole group.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

IF Foe is at 133 MP consumed per tick, it needs 1011 PIE to have 10 mins of foe

1265 pie gives theorically infinite foe time

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Actually, 5,000 MP should be enough (with HQ X-Ethers) to hit the 10 minute mark, which is "only" about 576 additional PIE from gear. I mean, that makes PIE our main stat all of a sudden. . .

Sorry, I did the math 3 months ago and I only recovered my sheet now. It requires 2 BRD (at that time, our T8 group was running with 2BRD+SMN+BLM+DRG) with something between 2500 and 2750 mana (without potions) to keep 10 minutes of FOE.

Finally re-ran the BiS finder with the 2.3 gear.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/N7HB

Left the weights at default; set up some materia (skipped the pants and chest because there's no way to make up that DEX difference); put the minimum Accuracy to 515; and changed the ilvl range to 25.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Finally re-ran the BiS finder with the 2.3 gear.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/N7HB

Left the weights at default; set up some materia (skipped the pants and chest because there's no way to make up that DEX difference); put the minimum Accuracy to 515; and changed the ilvl range to 25.

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I would be keen to see a parse with that set compared to a i110+HA weapon parse.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

I would be keen to see a parse with that set compared to a i110+HA weapon parse.

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Probably depends on the content. The set I linked is high in SS, which would be brutal for, say, T8. Overall, though, I'd love to see how it compares in a live setting, I agree.

519 acc ? You're planning to tank ?
What is your basis ? Maximal DPS with 100% accuracy in every situation or maximal average DPS in every fight ? Accuracy needed for the flank is 491, going to 515 (front accuracy) is a waste (in average).

After a fast check, I can achieve 512 acc with :
15 more DEX
3 less CRIT
24 more DET
34 less SKS

512 acc

If you are unlucky, you'll miss one hit out of the few hits landed where you're hitting from the front.

508 acc full i110

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Originally Posted by Alcyon1

519 acc ? You're planning to tank ?

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Honestly, I just figured I'd run the solver with the max needed accuracy anyone could complain about. It takes my computer the better part of a day to run the solver if I set it up the way I do.

491 is what a bard needs. Also think bard needs 5000 hp in t8 for homing + defensive combo

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Probably depends on the content. The set I linked is high in SS, which would be brutal for, say, T8. Overall, though, I'd love to see how it compares in a live setting, I agree.

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Yes. I do not fully buy that stat weightage is everything. Because I know that when 2.2 started, I went straight i90 pentameld and technically some of the pieces there when pentamelded, by weight are considered BiS. But certainly when looking at parses back then and now, I do not believe that BiS solver set can beat a conventional i110 set lol.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

491 is what a bard needs. Also think bard needs 5000 hp in t8 for homing + defensive combo

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Not necessary, when I first ran T8 our DPS was around i93-95 (dropped lots of tank gear and subsequently healer gears so DPS was lacking behind). Just need good healers to be on the ball to top you up with a SCH that succor and drop a sacred soil etc.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

491 is what a bard needs. Also think bard needs 5000 hp in t8 for homing + defensive combo

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For T8, that's fine. But in T9 you spend the whole last part of the fight attacking from the front so you want as close to 515 as possible.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/N825 is what I'll be going for. Auroral ring isn't that good once you're at acc cap.

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Originally Posted by Zerker

For T8, that's fine. But in T9 you spend the whole last part of the fight attacking from the front so you want as close to 515 as possible.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/N825 is what I'll be going for. Auroral ring isn't that good once you're at acc cap.

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Huh, the only time in T9 you will be attacking from front is:

1) If you are tanking the blue golems
2) Lunar Dynamo if you are not holding the thunderstruck debuff, by conventional strat

Why would you attack from the front most of the time in phase 4?

Out of curiosity would any of you know which set of BRD Macro's MR.Happy uses all the time? I always hear that macro usage is frowned upon but i see many BRDs still using them.

Considering you can reach 390+ on T8 with macros with a novus wep and a dragoon, using macros is fine on my book. Mr Happy most likely has the 3 in 1 (GCD, BL, ME) macro or 2 in 1 (GCD, BL).

EDIT: Though I wouldn't normally use macros, especially not on T8, but they work fine especially if you are learning a new fight like T9 after 47% where you would most likely miss several of your BL procs.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Huh, the only time in T9 you will be attacking from front is:

1) If you are tanking the blue golems
2) Lunar Dynamo if you are not holding the thunderstruck debuff, by conventional strat

Why would you attack from the front most of the time in phase 4?

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For phase 4, my group has everyone stacked on tank for fires and thunder runs behind.

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Originally Posted by Zerker

For phase 4, my group has everyone stacked on tank for fires and thunder runs behind.

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Which is what I meant in point 2) Everyone in front of Nael with tank and thunderstruck behind Nael.

Other than for this situation and tanking blue golem, as a BRD you don't attack from front and demand the 515 frontal accuracy anyways.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

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You could stand behind Nael until you need to move in for fires and beam, a lot more movement is required and greater chance of missing a fire in or getting clipped by a thunder. You might not always be able to be behind Nael while waiting for novas and you generally won't be behind it for divebombs. The grace period after divebombs you can attack from behind. There's enough times in the last phase when you will be attacking from the front to try and get as close as 515 as possible. So much BiS bard gear already has plenty of accuracy, so getting close to 515 isn't difficult.

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

Out of curiosity would any of you know which set of BRD Macro's MR.Happy uses all the time? I always hear that macro usage is frowned upon but i see many BRDs still using them.

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Currently Mr.Happy only uses a macro for his buffs. It's debtable whether his dps has improved by doing bloodletter and misery's end manually. He misses a lot of procs.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

Currently Mr.Happy only uses a macro for his buffs. It's debtable whether his dps has improved by doing bloodletter and misery's end manually. He misses a lot of procs.

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I can really only recommend not using macros for those with quick reactions. It requires a lot of dexterity (lol) to pull off each proc automatically, not with practice but practicality. The macro way is perfectly fine, and if you have a trigger finger the no buffer becomes less of an issue.

Also using the heavy/blood/misery macro is perfect in learning content that requires attention with mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Zerker

You could stand behind Nael until you need to move in for fires and beam, a lot more movement is required and greater chance of missing a fire in or getting clipped by a thunder. You might not always be able to be behind Nael while waiting for novas and you generally won't be behind it for divebombs. The grace period after divebombs you can attack from behind. There's enough times in the last phase when you will be attacking from the front to try and get as close as 515 as possible. So much BiS bard gear already has plenty of accuracy, so getting close to 515 isn't difficult.

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The thing is whether you do have those accuracy pieces or not, some people don't.

And really it isn't necessary. Throughout all my clears, I don't remember I am in the frontal zone in phase 4 other than stacking for Lunar Dynamo, Fire or maybe Thermionic Beam.

I am aware that some teams stack with the tank almost all the time, but this isn't my play style.