Daily hunts to include FATE bosses...

Nooooooo......
From the letter from producer

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Regular mark bills will have you exterminating enemies commonly found around Eorzea, some of which may include bosses from FATEs

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Why must fates be included in everything? Had enough of this with the book fates. Standing around for hours doing nothing waiting for a fate to pop. Was hoping the daily hunt would be something that could be done fairly quickly each day. Hopefully these arent too common. I know I'll be dreading them each time i get one.

i love it. doubles my chances for alexandrite! 1 for the allied seals and another from the fate (if i am lucky)

FATES are yoshi's baby, he has to include it in everything for how much he touted how FATES would replace almost everything in basic MMOs - Open world content, NM and so on. SO what this means is like the Myth Book FATEs, expect certain fates to no longer properly spawn and be set on a weird timer.

Though reading the JP post, it sounds more like bosses also found in FATE can end up as marks.

Regular mark bills...not Elite, which drop the most seals. If you don't like it, don't do it. You can hunt the Elite ones, even if there is no bill marked, and still get seals.

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Originally Posted by Clavaat

Regular mark bills...not Elite, which drop the most seals. If you don't like it, don't do it. You can hunt the Elite ones, even if there is no bill marked, and still get seals.

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QFT
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Originally Posted by Clavaat

Regular mark bills...not Elite, which drop the most seals. If you don't like it, don't do it. You can hunt the Elite ones, even if there is no bill marked, and still get seals.

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Thing is: Weekly Lockout on Elite Marks. It's not good design if your players are expected to avoid the system 6 days a week simply because of a decision to throw in FATEs yet again, but it doesn't sound like it's actually FATEs.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Thing is: Weekly Lockout on Elite Marks. It's not good design if your players are expected to avoid the system 6 days a week simply because of a decision to throw in FATEs yet again, but it doesn't sound like it's actually FATEs.

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Just a lockout on the billboard added rewards. Players still get seals (and a chance at item drops) from killing elite marks.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Thing is: Weekly Lockout on Elite Marks. It's not good design if your players are expected to avoid the system 6 days a week simply because of a decision to throw in FATEs yet again, but it doesn't sound like it's actually FATEs.

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You misunderstood. Elite Mark Bills may or may not be tied to a given FATE, that wasn't clarified. Only the Regular Mark Bills were quoted as possibly being tied to a FATE, which are updated daily. Regardless, the NMs that appear for Elite Mark Bills can spawn anywhere, anytime, similar to NMs in FFXI. They will drop Allied Marks.

So let's say the Elite Mark Bill calls for an NM that is only available in a FATE (doubtful, but let's go for it). You don't like that. You can still look for other NMs, and still get seals. The only reason the Bills are in place is to keep people who have less time to hunt able to stay up to speed.

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Was hoping the daily hunt would be something that could be done fairly quickly each day. Hopefully these arent too common. I know I'll be dreading them each time i get one.

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Although it shares some enemies with fates, there will be different conditions to getting hunt targets to appear. Additionally, when it comes to fates you should never be waiting a long time for them again as they will be adjusted in the patch so that individual fates are tracked on how much time has passed since they last appeared and it will be kept to a more frequent rate.

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Originally Posted by Clavaat

Regular mark bills...not Elite, which drop the most seals. If you don't like it, don't do it. You can hunt the Elite ones, even if there is no bill marked, and still get seals.

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If you have the time to do elite marks. Nobody knows what the spawn timers are going to be like yet. If it's anything like Odin and behemoth alot of people won't ever have a chance at those. People with just a little bit of time each day could at least count on getting their daily hunt done for seals. Unless they get a fate one that day and during the hour they have to play the fate never spawns so they have nothing to show for their play time.

Yeah that is kinda lame.

However these might be the big boss fates that everyone and their mom is currently ignoring.

Giant crab in Bloodshore and massive Ochu in ES as well as the Malboro in there. NO-ONE is doing these fates at the moment and they are impossible to solo. So is it really that bad that they're given extra incentive to kill?

I hope they won't replace the need for NMs that level tho'.

Because SE is sometimes adamant about sticking behind concepts that are faulted. Remember 1.0? :rolleyes: If only FATE mechanic would get redesigned for the better as well....

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

If you have the time to do elite marks. Nobody knows what the spawn timers are going to be like yet. If it's anything like Odin and behemoth alot of people won't ever have a chance at those. People with just a little bit of time each day could at least count on getting their daily hunt done for seals. Unless they get a fate one that day and during the hour they have to play the fate never spawns so they have nothing to show for their play time.

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I don't know what your point is. No, we don't know the spawn timers yet, so why worry about it? If there's enough of them in the world, you can kill them while farming FATEs or something. Make an LS that tracks them down, whatever.

here my guess
daily hunt : 200 seal
weekly hunt : 2000 seal
if you lucky and find elite mark without bill : 200 seal

oil should be around 1500 seal
sand should be around 3500 seal

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Originally Posted by Doraymon_Prime

here my guess
daily hunt : 200 seal
weekly hunt : 2000 seal
if you lucky and find elite mark without bill : 200 seal

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Alexandrite: 20,000 seals
Sands of Time: 200,000 seals
Oil of Time: 200,000 seals

lol :P

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

Because SE is sometimes adamant about sticking behind concepts that are faulted. Remember 1.0? :rolleyes: If only FATE mechanic would get redesigned for the better as well....

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I do indeed remember 1.0. You likely play as a Bard, which was a 1.22 introduction. You've likely done Guildleves, which was a 1.0 introduction. You likely started off in a city-state, which was a 1.0 introduction. You likely use your retainer, which was a 1.0 introduction, you likely viewed cutscenes, which were introduced in 1.0 as a way of telling this game's storyline. You likely....you get the picture.

I agree on the FATE thing, but saying "remember 1.0" as a way to say they stick behind something faulty and not realizing most of ARR is using 1.x systems and many locations still and is supposedly "so popular"...yeah :p

Perhaps some of you missed this in the patch notes.

The chance of a FATE occurring will increase the more time passes since its last occurrence, increasing the overall frequency of FATEs.

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Originally Posted by Cutie_McSnuggles

Perhaps some of you missed this in the patch notes.

The chance of a FATE occurring will increase the more time passes since its last occurrence, increasing the overall frequency of FATEs.

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SE and yoshi says a lot of things though. With this game in particular we have to "wait and see", because it could end up:

Frequency Increased! But we didn't say of which FATES!

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

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Oh, I just couldn't resist making a joke about 1.0 :p but what I'm basically saying is that SE can be very stubborn about pushing something that is.... well, I don't wanna say "bad", but for the sake of the argument let's call it "clunky". Now, in case of 1.0 > ARR it worked marvelously, of course. In regards how ARR FATE system works compared to similar game mechanics in other MMOs, however.... Not so much, and there's lots of room for improvement so that our very own FATE thing becomes a more enjoyable experience.

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Originally Posted by Cutie_McSnuggles

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That doesn't negate the fact that it's still a FATE. The same things many complain about whenever a new content including those is introduced. It's like they're saying "Oh, we know you guys aren't particularly fond of FATE, but here, have some more. YOU MUST LEARN TO LOVE IT!"

I like fates

They just need to add more of them (more variety)

FATEs are ok, don't really see the problem here.

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Originally Posted by Nuinn

That doesn't negate the fact that it's still a FATE. The same things many complain about whenever a new content including those is introduced. It's like they're saying "Oh, we know you guys aren't particularly fond of FATE, but here, have some more. YOU MUST LEARN TO LOVE IT!"

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Except that as she pointed out, they're trying to fix the "clunky" FATE mechanics. These new Elite Mark NMs are just like Boss FATEs, without the blue circle, that pop in random locations in the zone, and don't have a timer. And they probably won't have the "chance of a FATE occurring will increase the more time passes since its last occurrence" part, so the time between these spawns could be anywhere from regular enemy respawn to Behemoth/Odin respawn or even longer. People complain about FATEs all the time, but the moment they introduce something that's a FATE without calling it a FATE all the haters are like "See, now this is how they should do things!"

I personally wish they would stop using fates for everything, I really dislike them a lot and find them very repetitive and boring. If they overuse Fates for this it will probably ruin hunts for me which is the content I'm most excited for in this patch. Just my opinion on the matter, some people like Fates I guess but I will never support them, especially if I'm looking for specific ones and have to sit around waiting for it to pop.

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Originally Posted by Grey_Cain

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Then we can argue every random spawn location can be borderline treated as a FATE? Or are you referring to something else? Mark on a map or no mark, each mob spawn, no matter how hard it is to defeat, unless it's spawned from a leve/treasure map, is zergable, like a FATE. Think we're talking about 2 different things here. The insane skill spam just in order to get a rank in a FATE is what seems to bother people the most. Button mash VS challenge. Hopefully, Hunts will be dealt with in a different manner.

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Originally Posted by Doraymon_Prime

here my guess
daily hunt : 200 seal
weekly hunt : 2000 seal
if you lucky and find elite mark without bill : 200 seal

oil should be around 1500 seal
sand should be around 3500 seal

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I could be wrong (and I hope I am), but looking at the recent letter from the producer pics, daily hunts might be worth 8-20 seals (maybe not he highest?) and you can do 5 per day. Maybe somebody could translate the text. I'm going to guess that weekly hunts will be 800-1000 seals and maybe 50-100 without the quest. Also, seeing how the ilvl 70 armor ranges to up to 1,000 seals, I'm going to assume that oil/sand will be 2-3k each. Alexandrite might be more.

I counter with this quote.

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Which reminds me, I know a lot of players have been concerned this will be like back in the day, where one player or party would claim an enemy, and lock everyone else out from getting a reward. You'll be happy to know that the Hunt was not designed with any such claiming system in mind. In fact, some of the elite marks are so powerful, it would be in your best interest to shout for help before trying to lay a hand on them. I've also heard the more elusive elite marks drop rare items as well. These rare items are distributed on a player-by-player basis, so don't hesitate to reach for a helping hand.

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Yep its just as I feared. Aparrently you can actually get 5 regular hunts each day. 2 of mine were fates. One was a level 3 in north shroud, lol, took about 10 mins to pop and 5 seconds to kill. Now standing in east shroud waiting for Volxia fate to pop for about 15 mins now. Who knows when it will pop. These 2 have turned 10 mins of daily hunts into what may end up being over an hour of mostly waiting around.

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Originally Posted by Ulathskullsplitter

Yep its just as I feared. Aparrently you can actually get 5 regular hunts each day. 2 of mine were fates. One was a level 3 in north shroud, lol, took about 10 mins to pop and 5 seconds to kill. Now standing in east shroud waiting for Volxia fate to pop for about 15 mins now. Who knows when it will pop. These 2 have turned 10 mins of daily hunts into what may end up being over an hour of mostly waiting around.

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Working as intended. I feel like there's some quote about putting make-up or lipstick on a pig........

Trash mobs and FATE monsters...... BUT WAIT! WE CALLED THEM SOMETHING ELSE NOW TO MAKE YOU THINK YOU GOT WHAT YOU WANT. The whole system is absolutely no surprise to me, it doesn't matter what you call NMs, FATEs, or trash mobs. It's all just a zerg with different rewards in the end.