Producer's live letter

I'd use petition but people tend to get upset with that word so I'm just going to come out and ask personally.

Could you please give Reinheart permission to live translate the producers letter? I know the questions are translated almost immediately but doing it that way looses some of the fun involved in the letter.

The way things are now, there's no point for anyone who doesn't speak Japanese to even watch it. Which means we miss out on the fun interactions between the developers. And if we try to watch it, the letter just ends up becoming a mess of gibberish with laughter, punctuated with video/pictures we have no context for. Occasionally we'll hear something in English but for the most part the letter is incomprehensible.

It also seems as if you've given up subtitling the video afterwards or it gets subbed 6 months later and no one cares anymore.

I don't know about other people or even other countries but I enjoy watching/understanding the hijinks that occur during the letters. So please consider a more in depth live translation or try to get subtitled versions out a little faster.

Thank you.

I agree. hope that if reinheart cant, that someone can pick up his mantle. I have never missed a letter and thx to reinheart they have been quite pleasurable.

Agreed. I'm not even going to bother waking up at 4 am for it since Reinhart can't translate this one. I'll just get the cliffnotes afterward.

There have been times where Rienhart seems to have been given permission to translate the Live Letters (live) on twitch. I know he for the most part takes it upon himself to do this service. But I could have swore there was at least one time or so where it seemed like Foxclon was aware of Rienhart's translation assistance as he was doing it.

Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, I dunno anymore. u.u;

SE doesn't really care about players outside of Japan. This much has been obvious for a long time.

Considering we outnumber the JP playerbase, I dunno about that. That's a lot of money to lose if all non-JP players quit the game.

Hrm if it was being live translated I may of stayed up till 7am(EST), kind of surprising there isn't a live translation.

You do know the community team posts the translation on the forums every min or so while the live letter is going on. Why do you need an unofficial translation again?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You do know the community team posts the translation on the forums every min or so while the live letter is going on. Why do you need an unofficial translation again?

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I did not know that. Interesting. I may stay up now haha.

I'mm happy for the guy because he's wanted to work for SE for a long time and he finally got to achieve his dream. That said I really hope his new bosses understand what an ambassador he was to the west for their game a region which SE likes to almost ignore. Hope they take advantage of the reputation he's earned himself and further and more often reach out to us. My biggest hope is that in his new job he'll be assigned to do proper live translations with the appropriate tools, scripts, and briefings. If they won't let him do they I at least hope they'll have him do subtitles and release them while they're still relevant. It would be such a waste imo for SE not to use such an awesome guy to connect with our audience.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You do know the community team posts the translation on the forums every min or so while the live letter is going on. Why do you need an unofficial translation again?

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Unless there's something I've been missing the community team only translates the Q&A section while Rein translated everything they said to the best of his ability

CAN WE JUST HAVE OUR OWN YOSHI P ?

CAN WE JUST TRANSLATE HIM ?

JOSHI P

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You do know the community team posts the translation on the forums every min or so while the live letter is going on. Why do you need an unofficial translation again?

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Originally Posted by Marowit

Unless there's something I've been missing the community team only translates the Q&A section while Rein translated everything they said to the best of his ability

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This. There are a lot of little things that get omitted in translation. Camate simply answers the question in most cases, when Yoshida might sometimes go into a much lengthier explanation about things, or the guys in the Live Letter are doing chit chat about things where some of that information ends up being pretty interesting.

Either way, I saw on Reddit today that someone from Ultros might be doing it.

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Originally Posted by Marowit

Unless there's something I've been missing the community team only translates the Q&A section while Rein translated everything they said to the best of his ability

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The Q&A part is what's most relevant to translate anyway.

Someone else will try to do full live translation for sure.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You do know the community team posts the translation on the forums every min or so while the live letter is going on. Why do you need an unofficial translation again?

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Because they don't bother to translate every detail, thus missing half of the actual talk.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

You do know the community team posts the translation on the forums every min or so while the live letter is going on. Why do you need an unofficial translation again?

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Because, it's not a sidebyside translation as you're watching the video for a better understanding of what they're saying as they are actually saying it. It's not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

This. There are a lot of little things that get omitted in translation. Camate simply answers the question in most cases, when Yoshida might sometimes go into a much lengthier explanation about things, or the guys in the Live Letter are doing chit chat about things where some of that information ends up being pretty interesting.

Either way, I saw on Reddit today that someone from Ultros might be doing it.

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Hope that person does the translations. We're losing a lot of valuable information and SE doesn't seem to care that their biggest playerbase is being ignored. I know they're lurking and wish our community team would say something instead of commenting on some of the threads they are. They had to know making Rein stop doing translations would hurt their community I can't imagine they have no plan

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Originally Posted by Marowit

They had to know making Rein stop doing translations would hurt their community I can't imagine they have no plan

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The thing is, if they made Reinheart's translations official... Players would go "BECAUSE THEY SAID SO" if Reinheart happens to mistranslate something (yes, it can happen). They can't allow this to happen. They rather take their time to make sure everything is correct.

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Originally Posted by Marowit

Hope that person does the translations. We're losing a lot of valuable information and SE doesn't seem to care that their biggest playerbase is being ignored. I know they're lurking and wish our community team would say something instead of commenting on some of the threads they are. They had to know making Rein stop doing translations would hurt their community I can't imagine they have no plan

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How are we being ignored? The community team does like 60+ posts of translations for each live letter while it is happening. That is pretty good if you ask me better then not doing anything at all.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

How are we being ignored? The community team does like 60+ posts of translations for each live letter while it is happening. That is pretty good if you ask me better then not doing anything at all.

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Did you read my earlier reply to you? The community team only translates the Q&A or links to parts of the video telling us it's about X even though we can't understand a thing about it. When they do a three hour live letter I want more then just half an hour of it. Not to insult the team but the official translations are the absolute bare minimum.

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Originally Posted by Ayamia

The thing is, if they made Reinheart's translations official... Players would go "BECAUSE THEY SAID SO" if Reinheart happens to mistranslate something (yes, it can happen). They can't allow this to happen. They rather take their time to make sure everything is correct.

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They could make him add a disclaimer saying it's still a fan translation. There are plenty of people that have gone to work for a company and to an extent continued their pre hire activities, devolore and blizzard would be a good example. To my understanding it was him that pulled back on most of his content, but Blizzard tried working with him.

At the very least they could at least give and pay Rein to subtitle the video. That way he has time to go over it thoroughly and do proper ones instead of as they go. I really hope this is what they do tbh. We'd get actual info since to date SE has done the bare minimum to communicate with us, Rein would get paid, and there wouldn't be any because they said so. Either way SE needs to do something it's pretty uncool to do all these shows and teasers that only a portion of your base can enjoy and understand

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Originally Posted by Melithea

SE doesn't really care about players outside of Japan. This much has been obvious for a long time.

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Where is there any proof of that whatsoever? I've been playing since 1.0 and I can tell you this can't be any further from the truth.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Where is there any proof of that whatsoever? I've been playing since 1.0 and I can tell you this can't be any further from the truth.

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It predates back to how they treated community in XI.

orophin is there anyway u could post a link to that reddit thread? I'm currently looking for it

found it. http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...e_translation/

I had hoped to plan an event for my Free Company where a bunch of us would stay up to watch the liveletter and live-translation together. A few of us did that with the last one and had a blast cracking jokes and talking about the things as they were being talked about in the letter. I had to cancel that after finding out Reinhart wouldn't be doing a live translation for this one.

I have to agree with the person above as well, while I appreciate what the community team does for us with the Q&A, there's just so much more you pick up on with a live translation. The little jabs the devs take at one another, the jokes, its just less "sterile" than getting the bare minimum of the questions and straight to the point answers.

I've stayed up to catch the live translation of every live letter since release (I've pulled many a late night to do so seeing as they start around 4-5 am my time), and I'd love to see it become a formal legitimate practice done by Square and the team.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Where is there any proof of that whatsoever? I've been playing since 1.0 and I can tell you this can't be any further from the truth.

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http://i58.tinypic.com/6i5lec.jpg

Would it matter to you all if a script for the whole letter was translated the next day rather than live, or is that the whole point?

Just to make sure I'm understanding the complaints. Q&A summaries such as the one below are considered bare minimum, unsatisfactory, and a slap in the face to the English speaking community?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...804-09-2014%29

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Originally Posted by Melithea

http://i58.tinypic.com/6i5lec.jpg

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JP: 11 pages resolved issues
EN: 482 pages resolves issues

We're so ignored

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

Just to make sure I'm understanding the complaints. Q&A summaries such as the one below are considered bare minimum, unsatisfactory, and a slap in the face to the English speaking community?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...804-09-2014%29

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are you referring to the live letter that was shown march 21st that was releasing information in regards to patch 2.2, you know the patch that came out march 26th... and our live letter full translation came out 2 weeks AFTER that patch on april 9th.. yeah I do find that a bit.. lacking

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Originally Posted by Yurimi

are you referring to the live letter that was shown march 21st that was releasing information in regards to patch 2.2, you know the patch that came out march 26th... and our live letter full translation came out 2 weeks AFTER that patch on april 9th.. yeah I do find that a bit.. lacking

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Well, I'd like to think that the community team, as well as the localization team, is constantly working on various tasks and assignments in addition to the live letters.

I sincerely doubt those letters are scripted, and it takes time to transcribe a 150 minute video, select the portions deemed most valuable, have them translated into three languages (English, French, and German), and then have them proof-read to ensure there are as few mistakes as possible. (Because god knows everyone and their uncle will sift through any information given with a fine tooth comb.)

It takes time to get things done, and while two weeks is a bit long, I think its reasonable considering all they have to prioritize. If anything, assuming they're aware of the time required, I'd say the scheduling of the live letter with consideration for time required to translate is lacking.

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Originally Posted by Spellbinder

Well, I'd like to think that the community team, as well as the localization team, is constantly working on various tasks and assignments in addition to the live letters.

I sincerely doubt those letters are scripted, and it takes time to transcribe a 150 minute video, select the portions deemed most valuable, have them translated into three languages (English, French, and German), and then have them proof-read to ensure there are as few mistakes as possible. (Because god knows everyone and their uncle will sift through any information given with a fine tooth comb.)

It takes time to get things done, and while two weeks is a bit long, I think its reasonable considering all they have to prioritize. If anything, assuming they're aware of the time required, I'd say the scheduling of the live letter with consideration for time required to translate is lacking.

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was actually 3 weeks to translate, t was 2 weeks AFTER the PATCH that the live letter was mostly based around =P

and while I agree that people will nitpick anything and everything we did have a member of the community (Reinheart) who did a live translation, while I understand that the entire exchange my be not 100% scripted it is guidelined and mayhaps a live translation isnt possible but certainly in a week a subbed version (not a scroll down read whats going to happen scroll up watch video but an actual subbed video) could be possible while the information is still relevent

Going to ruin my whole day if this isn't translated :(

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Honestly I'm not sure if this is serious. It should take a translator no more than 3x as long as what is said. It should be able to be roughly translated while reading through and rechecked and edited in that time. If someone needs to go into a dictionary that probably means they hired the person who made Google translate. This is a massive company, why can't they hire a freelancer translator once a month like they have had during gameshow events to show they care about all their communities. Some of you defending this act like they have no money and a translator for a few hours will set them back years.

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Originally Posted by Airikay

Honestly I'm not sure if this is serious. It should take a translator no more than 3x as long as what is said. It should be able to be roughly translated while reading through and rechecked and edited in that time. If someone needs to go into a dictionary that probably means they hired the person who made Google translate. This is a massive company, why can't they hire a freelancer translator once a month like they have had during gameshow events to show they care about all their communities. Some of you defending this act like they have no money and a translator for a few hours will set them back years.

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If you were to take all the dialogue from a live letter and put it into a document, do you realize how large it would be, and how long it would take for an average translator to complete it?

Just so you guys know. Rein got his dream job at SE. Whether or not he ends up in FF14's department and given permission to translate, we won't know for sure until he come back and tell us.

I'd like to theorize that the reason he can't do fan translation anymore is because they might have given the official live translation job to him. Again we won't know for sure until this live letter.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

How are we being ignored? The community team does like 60+ posts of translations for each live letter while it is happening. That is pretty good if you ask me better then not doing anything at all.

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You and players like you are what's wrong with this forum. It seems many players are not ok with just the 50 to 60 questions answered.

However we want to enjoy and laugh and have a good time right along side the live letters. Be part of it so to speak. You can't really get the same immersion just reading the text afterwards. Plus there's comments, text on screenshots, and overall pleasure were missing out on. I for one would love to see what we are getting at E3 which will be a Fernhalwes or someone else right there and translating in real time. I even seen a gdc video where yoshida would speak and pause to allow translation to happen in real time. It didn't seem to bother him in the least bit. Please let these players have their say and maybe we and you could enjoy this more.