Please increase PvP wolf marks earned or lower the cost of the PvP gear...

I really want to get that awesome looking pvp gear but it's taking so unbelievably long to gain wolf marks for even 1 item. Not to mention the wait time to queue up is really long.

Could you please either:
*Increase wolf marks earned
*Lower the cost of wolf marks needed to buy pvp gear
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*Add a challenge log with wolf marks as a bonus reward

The item I've been trying to get costs 12,375 marks but every match only gives 20-60 Wolf Marks... I've been at this for months and I still have not earned enough for 1 item.
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FYI, you cannot equip the item (or use it for glamour) until you have the required PvP Rank, which is anywhere from rank 32 to rank 40. It'll take wayyyy more than 12.5k marks worth of wins to get to rank 30, so keep that in mind.

They really just need to make the PvP less shit, so that more people take part. Increasing the rate at which marks are earned or lowering the cost of the gear are merely bandaid fixes that don't address the main issue, which is that the PvP sucks so nobody does it in the first place, resulting in long queues.

So until then SE just holds the cool looking armor above our noses and out of reach... :/

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Originally Posted by Roll

So until then SE just holds the cool looking armor above our noses and out of reach... :/

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not really, the i90 crafted and giantsgall weaponry are identical to the direwolf equipment. the hellwolf stuff is the only stuff truly locked.

and that stuff requires dedication to get. if your going to do that, go to reach cap, not vanity.

Even if queue was instant (which it kind of is for healers depending on time of day), some of the matches can take up to 10m, yet you still get the exact same amount of xp. I have a pretty good win record myself, but I've pretty much given up on PvP just because the amount of time required for the higher ranks is retarded (assuming no win trading). 10 minutes for 40/50/60 xp is so not worth it. It's extremely annoying to lose matches that take that long too.

Wolf Marks should increase, but for a very different reason. It needs to increase to justify the huge wait times. The lower wolf mark count would be OK if we are getting 30 second to 5 mins wait times on queuing for PvP, but we are getting 10 to 40 mins wait times. It simply doesn't add up for any one who's hopeful on obtaining gear.

They probably won't increase it because a lot of people use win-trading to get all the high level gear in a day or two. And even though i'm assuming they are quite aware of it they don't seem to care. "Working as Intended"

Pvp experience needs to be increased with rank as the least. Getting 60 since rank 1 all the way to 40. It's an insane grind

they should just make lvl1 equivalent to the sets, course i guess some people might get mad over that so it's not the best solution.

I just want the win:loss ratio reduced, 5:1 is highly inequitable & far too heavily favors the winners.

What's PVP ?

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Originally Posted by ZReport

Wolf Marks should increase, but for a very different reason. It needs to increase to justify the huge wait times. The lower wolf mark count would be OK if we are getting 30 second to 5 mins wait times on queuing for PvP, but we are getting 10 to 40 mins wait times. It simply doesn't add up for any one who's hopeful on obtaining gear.

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IDK what crappy data center you are on, but i never wait more than 5 mins for a match.

I think the gear should be cheaper, but the amount of wolf marks gained stay the same. I don't want it to be like the olden days of wow where gear was 40,000 honor points but you'd get 1,000-2,000 a match. It was unnecessary.

I do think that exp gained should be increased with level, or participation. It is insanely hard to level, and I really enjoy PvP.

It's weird they seemed to put so much detail into the high end pvp gear, but put it out of everyone but the wintrader's reach.

If you actually like the pvp (which I do), and the system was working normally ( it isn't) the grind itself from 1-30-40 is fine. You're supposed to learn how to play through vast amounts of expereince, and at the end you are rewarded with gears for doing so. Not rush to get gears, if thats all your goal is, well... sad day for you. With the queue times being broken due to the messed up matching system, I'm still getting to r30 relatively easy. With normal queues and instant pops? I'd be 40 in a few weeks. The real problem stems from the amount of marks the actual gears cost. But only because this game revolves around a system that allows you to switch characters on the fly. But you can't do this in pvp, due to the massive amount of marks needed to gear up. Once you've gotten your rank 30 set, it will take a very long time to get another for whatever else you might like to play, and you most likely won't even choose this route, as you'll continue spending the marks you earn on the animal set as you rank further. This is counter-productive to one of the main selling points of this game. They want you to play more classes, but once you change to another class in 50 brackets and don't have the gear to back it up, you'll get trashed. So you are being forced into one class and should you choose to switch, you'll be heavily nerfed.

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Originally Posted by tehomegaking

So you are being forced into one class and should you choose to switch, you'll be heavily nerfed.

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Aren't the pvp abilities heavily tied to class? I am whm in pvp and notice that all the pvp actions I bought are specific to whm or healing classes. If I switch classes to DPS, I lose those abilities and don't get the ability to spend my earned points into dps abilities. I'd have to respec for (2k?) wolf marks in order to get dps abilities, so I can't be flexible.

Yes, but they are fixing that in 2.8. Resets will be free.

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Originally Posted by tehomegaking

Yes, but they are fixing that in 2.8. Resets will be free.

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huh? i thought they said in 2.28 the abilities would not cost anything and you just start out with all of them did they change that decision?

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

huh? i thought they said in 2.28 the abilities would not cost anything and you just start out with all of them did they change that decision?

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It's both, actually. Abilities themselves won't cost anything (but enhancements to said abilities will still cost stuff), and all respecs will be completely free.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

I just want the win:loss ratio reduced, 5:1 is highly inequitable & far too heavily favors the winners.

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Then maybe you should stop losing.

MMO pvp doesn't really appeal to me any more and ffxiv doesn't seem built for it in the first place. So it doesn't really matter to me either way.

But seriously, why is there a gear grind for anything but vanity in a mmo released in 2014? Pve needs the carrot on a stick. At it's core, character building is kind of the point. Pvp that isn't the point. Competing against and beating other players is. It doesn't need it and on top of that some players having better stats than others goes against the idea of a fair competition.

I'm praying for substantial changes in that with the new patch

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Originally Posted by AiChyan

I'm praying for substantial changes in that with the new patch

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we thought we were getting changes in 2.25, all we got was what they said we were getting: 10 more ranks and animal gear.

All they've said this time was the changes to the way abilities are acquired and changed, so I wouldn't expect a single thing more. But it would be very welcome. If nothing else I just want faster queues...

I have a very strong feeling that, once Frontlines are released, the Wolf Marks and PVP XP numbers will go up quite a bit more.

Imho, the mark earned may be increased by time played inside Wolves' den until a limit.

20/100 fast run ----- 40/125 long run.

When you enter with a rookie group rarely take 5 minutes to win or lose. At the opposite, versus rank 20 or more, lb1 is charged, so that combat may reward with more marks and rank exp.

Wintrades'll do the same, to lose fast or wait to the timer, so it's the same shit. But at least, the real pvp match has the opportunity to be rewarded well.

The long queue is the main problem.

Greetings,

Currently, we’re not planning to make any adjustments in relation to PvP rewards.
Should there be any change, we’ll be sure to let you know.

I think someone at SE needs to try and grind to 40 with these queue times, before deeming the current exp rewards acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Mupod

I think someone at SE needs to try and grind to 40 with these queue times, before deeming the current exp rewards acceptable.

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I think we should wait till Frontlines to see if PvP EXP yields are larger in that content.

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Originally Posted by Ninix

FYI, you cannot equip the item (or use it for glamour) until you have the required PvP Rank, which is anywhere from rank 32 to rank 40. It'll take wayyyy more than 12.5k marks worth of wins to get to rank 30, so keep that in mind.

They really just need to make the PvP less shit, so that more people take part. Increasing the rate at which marks are earned or lowering the cost of the gear are merely bandaid fixes that don't address the main issue, which is that the PvP sucks so nobody does it in the first place, resulting in long queues.

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About to say, PvP is a joke, with certain classes being absolute shit and some being way OP. Fix that, and PvP wouldn't be such a grind.

Someone at SE needs to test it out and try to get 40 PvP rank with 20+ min queues something must be done.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Someone at SE needs to test it out and try to get 40 PvP rank with 20+ min queues something must be done.

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I'm assuming they just expect people to trade wins for a few days to level up. They seem to be cool with it as they just delete any thread asking for clarification on it.

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Originally Posted by Gesser

I just want the win:loss ratio reduced, 5:1 is highly inequitable & far too heavily favors the winners.

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LOL you lost,
you should be happy with any favor.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

Currently, we’re not planning to make any adjustments in relation to PvP rewards.
Should there be any change, we’ll be sure to let you know.

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The way the current system is, you basically have 3 groups of people:

1) Hardcore PvPers who either trade wins, or solo queue, or otherwise spam PvP until they have a full set of iLVL 100 PvP gear (obtaining it VERY quickly) and just crushing anyone who opposes them because the gear gap is so huge that skill doesn't even matter anymore
2) Complete newbies who enter PvP with AF1 (or worse) gear, often not even with so much as a relic weapon, much less any PvP gear
3) Average players who are interested in PvP, but don't have the time to spam PvP forever to get the best gear quickly

I guess the current system is rad for Group 1, which is a total minority. Group 3 is probably the largest group, but I imagine most of them are quickly discouraging from PvPing after getting Group 1 on the opposite team and/or Group 2 on the same team often enough.

All in all, the way PvP is set up, doesn't really do much to encourage anyone new to try out PvP. No one wants to do 100s and 100s and 1000s of wins to get this stuff, besides I guess the win traders, and people who solo queue as tank. Everyone else has probably given up on PvP by now (and rightfully so).

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The grind itself isn't necessarily the problem. Sure they could lower the cost of things or up the reward and such, but it's not going to really do anything in keeping a lot of people there. The current PvP games are a little too... redundant? The format is fine for purely tournament style play, and while there are people that prefer that, most folks grow tired of that format rather fast. It also doesn't help when the arena itself is just a small boxed area. Large scale battles are a must for the general populous, and hopefully Frontlines can be just enough of a chaos provider as is needed. Still, even that won't be enough over time. Objective based PvP can be quite helpful to add life to the feature, though I don't believe that it's really needed just yet.

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Originally Posted by Logo

LOL you lost,
you should be happy with any favor.

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It's not about that.

Winners or win traders will always remain leagues beyond the losers...

For instance, a group of 3 win trades to Rank 3 & they all get purify along with 1 PvP piece...

An unfortunate fresh pvp'r will lose nigh every time against them.

They don't stand a chance & therefore their growth will practically remain a pitiful rate in comparison to win-traders.

I personally have about a 65% win rate only ever solo-queuing & without ever having win-traded, so I'm not really speaking on my own behalf.

5:1 experience gain doesn't sound overboard to you, really?

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Originally Posted by Mupod

I think someone at SE needs to try and grind to 40 with these queue times, before deeming the current exp rewards acceptable.

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To be fair to SE, I don't think we're supposed to have an easy or quick time going to 40. PvP is supposed to be a perpetual participation content. If we were able to make it to 40 in a patch, they'd have to up the cap again to keep players happy, which in turn just widens the gap between new players and veterans and makes it even less accessible.

It's a larger issue though because wintraders are able to grind it out anyway and have that shit within a month while those who actually play PvP as PvP suffer for it because the rewards aren't very large.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

To be fair to SE, I don't think we're supposed to have an easy or quick time going to 40. PvP is supposed to be a perpetual participation content. If we were able to make it to 40 in a patch, they'd have to up the cap again to keep players happy, which in turn just widens the gap between new players and veterans and makes it even less accessible.

It's a larger issue though because wintraders are able to grind it out anyway and have that shit within a month while those who actually play PvP as PvP suffer for it because the rewards aren't very large.

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I agree with you... but between roughly 3,500 & 6,000 matches to get to Rank 40 is ludicrous.

Especially in view of win-traders & with regards to those who try to do it legit.

I could see 2,000-2,500.

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Originally Posted by Fusionx

I think we should wait till Frontlines to see if PvP EXP yields are larger in that content.

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So when Frontlines is out, they might as well just delete the Wolves' Den? I'm already worried enough at them implying Wolves' Den is the "real" PvP, they seem to have gotten it backwards. While we don't know the details yet, Frontlines sounds far more interesting than Wolves' Den, yet they're saying it's a good place to get started with PvP... Surely Wolves' Den should be where players start (it's even described as a training arena), it should have high EXP. Frontlines should be the "endgame" of PvP, with high Wolf Marks.

@Camate; There are no plans to increase rewards from PvP battles, but I recall there will be new Challenge Logs in 2.28 or 2.3, will some of those at least be for PvP?

10 minute fight for 60 xp is ridiculous. At least give higher xp/minute. I feel like I'm wasting my time WINNING. I could probably make more xp by just letting the other team kill me.

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Originally Posted by Mupod

I think someone at SE needs to try and grind to 40 with these queue times, before deeming the current exp rewards acceptable.

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trade win can give you lot of mark, someone on Excalibur do that and already have 2 set 1 lion mane & 1 hawk

note: I am not telling you trading win, but rather I d like to remind the SE that the problem is still there and ppl are doing it, yesterday when I was fishing the player who got 2 set doing it, he keep die, and then win and repeat for over an hour

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Originally Posted by Fusionx

I think we should wait till Frontlines to see if PvP EXP yields are larger in that content.

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It's the queue times which are the problem, not the EXP gain. I'd be fine gaining the paltry amounts of EXP per battles, if I didn't have to queue for 45 minutes first. If an EXP buff will get more people participating then I am all for it.