Suggest: Tank/Healer bonuses limited to "in progress" DF join

I'd suggest Tank and Healers, will get their bonuses only if they join DF with "in progress" option selected.

That because if a tank or healer leaves for any reason from a started duty, all the duty is compromised by the difficult to get a replacement.

wouldn't really care since i always choose in progress anyway.

They need to fix in-progress queues first. I can't count the number of times where a FC mate asked for help in-progress, I check the box, and then get stuck with a new group that's trying to form (and then suddenly I'm the scumbag for repeatedly hitting cancel when I'm trying to help an in-progress group not abandon).

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

They need to fix in-progress queues first. I can't count the number of times where a FC mate asked for help in-progress, I check the box, and then get stuck with a new group that's trying to form (and then suddenly I'm the scumbag for repeatedly hitting cancel when I'm trying to help an in-progress group not abandon).

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Yeah, something wonky is going on with instance matching currently. Last night and tonight I got an 'in progress' 0/4 dungeon, but on entering it was completely empty of party members and not even started. Tonight after being sorted into the same empty run twice in a row, I stayed around to see if it would fill. It filled us to 3/4, 2 dps, 1 healer (myself), but then it stopped searching. One of the dps dropped and immediately it went back to searching for party members, but stopped again after replacing the dps.

Myself as well as other FC members have also experienced the inability to help a friend in progress who lost someone. It just puts us into fresh parties even though they are searching and we check the in progress box.

So... make it so that tanks/healers all queue but decline anything that's not in progress? Or accept but go in and afk, waiting for a kick then join in progress?

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

They need to fix in-progress queues first. I can't count the number of times where a FC mate asked for help in-progress, I check the box, and then get stuck with a new group that's trying to form (and then suddenly I'm the scumbag for repeatedly hitting cancel when I'm trying to help an in-progress group not abandon).

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Yes :( I was tankless in two runs recently, and even when I got someone I know to queue in progress they ended up in fresh runs.

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Originally Posted by OPneedNerfs

So... make it so that tanks/healers all queue but decline anything that's not in progress? Or accept but go in and afk, waiting for a kick then join in progress?

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Amazing how often people fail to truly think an idea out and the possible consequences, huh?

The reward for joining in progress is getting the dungeon's final reward sooner than entering the dungeon from the start. That's why I think most prefer to join in-progress at least.

If anything, the reward should go just to those in need who had to put the most time into the dungeon, not the least.

How about just making these 'rewards' worth something?
Off topic I know, forgive me.

I really, REALLY tried to understand what OP meant...but I'm still lost. Someone explain it to me? Cause I could've swore that they're asking for tanks and healers to lose out on exp/gil bonuses if they just queue for DF roulette just like DPS would. Cause I could've swore that's the only time you get bonuses. And if you leave the dungeon while its in progress, you get no bonuses anyway.

So can someone try to make sense of what OP's trying to ask for and tell me?

Think he means that the roulette bonus for needed class (usually tank, then healer, rarely DPS) will only be given if they join a party in progress.

And for reasons someone else pointed out...

bad, baaad idea. Desired clsses AKA Tanks mostly, fish for dungeons in progress, imagine how much that would increase as not only would you be getting final drops plus you would be getting bonuses for fishing!

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Originally Posted by Danbo05

I really, REALLY tried to understand what OP meant...but I'm still lost. Someone explain it to me?

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I think it needs make sense also of your sentences after your quoted question, but I will skip them as long as I am going to answer your question.

The scope of "bonuses" is make the tank or healer job more attractive to players, I think you will understand this.

The problem I'd like to address, is when a tank (or healer) leave the party. Waiting a tank in a progressing duty makes the duty itself doomed, because the healer knows his waiting queue much shorter than waiting there and leaves duty too, ending with two dps in a progress duty.

If duty was brand-new, everyone leave and requeue, but when duty is half way and dooming it at that point, wasn't the ideal situation for requeue.

My ask for that bonus given only when the healer or tank join DF with "in progress" option, is meant to give the people who were left into duty, more chances to fill again party.

Then, healer or tank will get their bonuses in much shorter time, because they enter in a duty whose some progress already done, and they can end duty in lesser time.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

bad, baaad idea. Desired clsses AKA Tanks mostly, fish for dungeons in progress, imagine how much that would increase as not only would you be getting final drops plus you would be getting bonuses for fishing!

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The behavior you are telling of, can be done right now.

What is bad, aren't the tanks "fishing" in progress duties (instead, I'll be tankful to them, who let me end my duty!), but are the tanks who left in middle of duties.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

I think it needs make sense also of your sentences after your quoted question, but I will skip them as long as I am going to answer your question.

The scope of "bonuses" is make the tank or healer job more attractive to players, I think you will understand this.

The problem I'd like to address, is when a tank (or healer) leave the party. Waiting a tank in a progressing duty makes the duty itself doomed, because the healer knows his waiting queue much shorter than waiting there and leaves duty too, ending with two dps in a progress duty.

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Great, we both don't understand each other. This is clearly gonna go nowhere.

What I'm trying to say is, if a tank or healer leaves the dungeon while its in progress, and they queued for bonuses, they're NOT going to get ANY bonuses anyways. The only way a tank/healer is going to get those bonuses is if they successfully complete the dungeon.

I always queue for in-progress for content where i can carry people. For content like high roulette, expert roulette and trials going in-progress means just wasting time because usually team will not pass it anyway. Also i stopped queuing for low level roulette and guildhests at all because there is no meaningful reason to do them.

I think what OP meant was Tanks and Healers have to tick the 'in-progress' option when queue-ing roulette to get their bonuses, regardless of whether they get into new or in-progress duty.

I think...

I mean, I already did this for every queue though I never get into an in-progress duty in my life, as both a tank and a healer, ever lol. But, maybe most people don't know or don't bother to tick the option.

That 0/4 with no one and not started happened because you'll get the 0/4 as soon as the dungeon begins since technically you aren't entering a fresh instance. The empty bit is because you must have gotten matched in and in the time between you hitting Commence and being loaded into the instance the remaining people bailed. Nothing weird about it. You also can't complain about the game not matching you into your friend's party. There was obviously more than one group waiting on a rep so you went to the group waiting the longest. Explain to me how the game is to know you want your friend's party? You would have to be offered a whole list of in progress duties and pick the one you want...

Do not want.

As a healer I NEVER click in-progress unless I'm supposed to help ls/fc friends.

Why? Because most of the times I did in-progress I ended up in parties where the healer left because the party was utterly hopeless with no chance of getting through the dungeon.
It's not always possible to carry a group.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Do not want.

As a healer I NEVER click in-progress unless I'm supposed to help ls/fc friends.

Why? Because most of the times I did in-progress I ended up in parties where the healer left because the party was utterly hopeless with no chance of getting through the dungeon.
It's not always possible to carry a group.

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Maybe we got different experiences but the reason i see tanks/healers leave is mostly because they don't wanna do the dungeon they got put and for some messed up reason leaving when the cutscene is still going on gives no penalty.
I always queue up for in progress whenever i think about it (it really should save your choice SE) and more then not people have not even moved the starting area.

The only in progress dungeons I get are ones with no tank. We end up waiting around wasting time then just abandon anyway. Very frustrating when trying to level through dungeons.

I usually look at situations where I replace a ragequit as a challenge.

I think they should only give the bonus if you -dont- use In Progress.

I always check 'join in progress' group when using the DF, just 9/10 it drops me in a new party from dungeon start :/

They need to fix that IMO as I too have noticed that when I try Q-ing up to help a friend or FC member who needs a tank it tends to drop me in new groups instead of where I'm needed, rather annoying.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

Do not want.

As a healer I NEVER click in-progress unless I'm supposed to help ls/fc friends.

Why? Because most of the times I did in-progress I ended up in parties where the healer left because the party was utterly hopeless with no chance of getting through the dungeon.
It's not always possible to carry a group.

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I always give it a shot anyway :) Sometimes all it needs is a large dose of patience, and people regardless of how hopeless they are they might actually learn one or two things of what you are doing. If I could help them complete the duty then awesome, otherwise I leave after everyone agrees that its just not working.

You won't get more tanks and healers by placing weird restrictions on them. This is a bad idea.
However, I think "in progress" should be checked by default for everyone though. You should be able to uncheck it if you want and still get roulette rewards, but there's really no reason why it shouldn't be the default.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

They need to fix in-progress queues first. I can't count the number of times where a FC mate asked for help in-progress, I check the box, and then get stuck with a new group that's trying to form (and then suddenly I'm the scumbag for repeatedly hitting cancel when I'm trying to help an in-progress group not abandon).

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They need to do a check, based on how close the party is to the end, and how long left on the timer. Between two dungeons that have 2/4, the one with less time on the timer should ALWAYS take priority IMO, that run is far closer to failing than the other. As for 0/3 and 2/3, that should also be dependent on the timer IMO. If the group for 2/3 is at the final boss with 30 minutes compared to the 0/3 group that's either at the first boss or still at the entrance to the dungeon with 40 minutes left, the 0/3 should take priority since they'll come the closest to failing due to their location and the timer.

[sarcasm] Because it's such a good idea to get rid of what little incentive this already brings for a tank or healer to do a dungeon, right? [/sarcasm]

Why do you want this? Are you jealous or something? Do you feel the 4.5k gil people make from this will absolutely cripple a game in which gil has so little meaning it just helps pay for expenses and repairs?

Original Poster, go play a healer or tank instead of your lazy-mode DPS and get back to us. Then you may tell us it's fair or not that we get a little more incentive to help you lazy bums out.

They need to fix the roulette with partners 1st. That withdrawn from party people keep getting could be me, Fishing for my hubbies Queue.

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Originally Posted by IndigoHawk

You won't get more tanks and healers by placing weird restrictions on them. This is a bad idea.
However, I think "in progress" should be checked by default for everyone though. You should be able to uncheck it if you want and still get roulette rewards, but there's really no reason why it shouldn't be the default.

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I personally like running the whole thing, Even more so when I'm not on a level 50 job.
Start 90% threw means I miss out of gil and EXP.

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Originally Posted by Assirra

... leaving when the cutscene is still going on gives no penalty.

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This have to be fixed asap, as long as I see that an abuse of a game glitch.

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Originally Posted by LalaRu

The behavior you are telling of, can be done right now.

What is bad, aren't the tanks "fishing" in progress duties (instead, I'll be tankful to them, who let me end my duty!), but are the tanks who left in middle of duties.

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I know:s but if your suggestion was put into practice, the amount of fishing would increase 100 fold.