Big mistake that SE did with new relic weapons

Now if I am not mistaken, the relic weapons are suppose to be the more powerfull in game. Yet for some reason "BOTH" tier 3 and 4 stages of relic weapons are both ilvl 100, when stage 4 should be ilvl 115 (same as highest ilvl weapons in game).

Also the fact they both say ilvl 100 when the stats/dam is higher on tier 4 then on the tier 3 does not make any sense.

Yeah, you're mistaken. They're not supposed to be the strongest.

You're mistaken.

they are suppose to be really strong at the end of relic's(zodiark??) quest line. prolly on par or 5 ilv less than the coil weapon at that time

You're Mistaken

They will be stronger once all the next stages are implemented but most likely will never be better than their Coil equivalent from the same patch, depends on how they do the stat customization thing, unless they probably just meant you could choose which books to do first. The real mistake was gating it behind awful RNG but apparently that's both hardcore and also meant for casual players at the same time.

Coil weapons are supposed to be the strongest weapons in the game.

1. You are mistaken.
2. Both atma and animus were at ilv100 because they need some intermediate weapons for you to equip that you can see progress from the books instead of zenith seeing no increase in power.
3. Animus is not the final stage for this batch of relic. Novus is. Coil weapons don't get an upgrade till next Coil which is in 6 months. Animus is getting an upgrade next month.
4. Coil weapon will always be the best weapon in game because of its difficulty to get.

Seeing as how the T5 weapons were always stronger than any weapon in the game (pre 2.2), you are mistaken for like.. the 7th time. With patch 2.2 Your relic/zenith weapon is a pretty good weapon by means of casual play. Tidal, High Allagan and maybe even Weathered are for you more hardcore players. So basically: if you whine about not being able to clear ex primals and cant manage coil, you result only to Atma.

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Originally Posted by stebo104

Now if I am not mistaken, the relic weapons are suppose to be the more powerfull in game. Yet for some reason "BOTH" tier 3 and 4 stages of relic weapons are both ilvl 100, when stage 4 should be ilvl 115 (same as highest ilvl weapons in game).

Also the fact they both say ilvl 100 when the stats/dam is higher on tier 4 then on the tier 3 does not make any sense.

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Personally ilvlxxx isn't want makes a weapon strong, the stats do :P. Also in the end of 2.X I believe they said these weapons will be the strongest of the 2.X

Maybe in the long run will be the strongest weapon, considering that if you start your relic quest from scratch it will take a huge amount of time to complete it, im talking after expansion and level cap is raised.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Personally ilvlxxx isn't want makes a weapon strong, the stats do :P. Also in the end of 2.X I believe they said these weapons will be the strongest of the 2.X

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Actually, for weapons it kind of does. Physical/Magic Damage trumps all but the worst stat combos, and usually only if the gap is no more than 5 ilvls. A 110 weapon with poor secondaries is still superior to a 100 with good secondaries.

As others have stated, at the end of the questline, they will be very powerful, possibly the most powerful or at equal ground to the Coil 3 Allagan weapon. That being said, their strength lies in the fact that we will supposedly be able to rearrange the stat allocations in the future. Assuming we're able to actually choose the two stats we want and it's not just us swapping a small amount of the current stats, weapons such as the Omnilex, which is poorly optimized for Scholar, can be tweaked to be perfect for them.

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Originally Posted by Zaft

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Hey Zaft, pretty sure you've heard this already but grats to you and your FC on the first T9 win XD

Edit - T10, i guess I just made it obvious that I haven't unocked the Second Coil =/

Zenith (ilevel 90, stats at stat cap) - upgrade it to Atma with Atma stones -> Atma (use Zenith stats as basic stats, ilevel 100, stats not more at stat cap) -> upgrade with books, bring the stats to stat cap -> Animus ( ilevel 100, stronger than Zenith) -> ....... -> Novus

1. they aren't finished... yet
2. they weren't meant to be the strongest weapons in the game... yet

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Originally Posted by JTribal

Hey Zaft, pretty sure you've heard this already but grats to you and your FC on the first T9 win XD

Edit - T10, i guess I just made it obvious that I haven't unocked the Second Coil =/

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No, T9 would be correct. Or rather T4 of Second Coil. There's only 4 turns.

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Originally Posted by JTribal

Hey Zaft, pretty sure you've heard this already but grats to you and your FC on the first T9 win XD

Edit - T10, i guess I just made it obvious that I haven't unocked the Second Coil =/

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Nah, you were right with T9. Coil 2 only has 4 turns.

And thank you! We all appreciate it :)

Ilvl 100 isn't the final item level for this raid tier. They will get updated twice more 2.28 and 2.3.

This is not FFXI , there R/M/E was and even now are best , but in XIV Relics is "casual" way to obtain highest weapon , while eg/raid players can obtain Alternative or higher weapon by doing actual raids . And also , why complain bout ilv lol if u not raidin'? if you raiding- then go burn levi or coil if want 110~115 .

Nah, Relic weapon were strongest in 1.0 that required you to do every content in-game before the expansion.
Relic weapon in 2.0 will be the same, they have you to do Fate and farm tome now, next will be some other content unique to A realm reborn, and in the end, by doing all the process, it should be stronger than Coil. Reason? because it required huge enormous of time sink to get one, and unlikely anybody could get two. Whereas, Coil weapon is farm-able after your party get enough practice.

For example, by the time at the end of 3.0. Hardcore players base may get a few Coil weapons per character, but they still only have 1 relic. (or no more than 2).
Image how long will it take to repeat all 5 steps? Currently we only know step 1 and 2. And last step may be something like, using this weapon to kill T9 boss.

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Originally Posted by Alise

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Except they've said it won't be already. It might come close, but Coil weapons will be on top.

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Q: Compared to primal weapons and relic weapons, how strong are you planning to make the weapons from Crystal Tower and the Great Labyrinth of Bahamut?
A: *Art of new rewards are shown in the video.
Since there were so many weapon drops from primals in 1.0 we tried hard to make some armor as well. That's not to say that they will come from primals, but we've worked hard to make full sets of gear for various fights.

For weapons, the strongest items will be those dropped from the Great Labyrinth of Bahamut, and we have a created a clear path for progression through content and gear. When you're level 50 you can clear a scenario and go after a good primal weapon. Once you have that, you can challenge the Crystal Tower, and get items from there. After that, challenge the Great Labyrinth of Bahamut. The difficulty of content and the strength of items will follow this order, going up and up. Both primal weapons and relics will have their own place in this hierarchy, and primal weapons are not at the top.

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The other thing is, they, at least so far, don't seem to want to lock upgrades behind "hard" content, like Coil. Also people think that Relics MUST be the strongest lore wise, and this is mostly false. Atma, Zenith, Animus, doesn't matter. The Allagan Empire predates pretty much all of it.

Well… To be honest, i don’t really pay much attention to it, since i was going for the Animus weapon anyway. But, i personally think that giving the Atma weapon an iLevel of 95 would make more sense then giving it iLevel 100 (since the stats of the Atma are “lower” then the Allagan and Wave weapons). Then, once you’ve upgraded the Atma weapon to Animus, it could’ve been been increased to iLevel 100.

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Originally Posted by stebo104

Now if I am not mistaken, the relic weapons are suppose to be the more powerfull in game. Yet for some reason "BOTH" tier 3 and 4 stages of relic weapons are both ilvl 100, when stage 4 should be ilvl 115 (same as highest ilvl weapons in game).

Also the fact they both say ilvl 100 when the stats/dam is higher on tier 4 then on the tier 3 does not make any sense.

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Right and then they put them behind massive RNG, making them harder to attain than EX weapons but less effective up front. Makes 0 sense.

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Originally Posted by Aldora

Well… To be honest, i don’t really pay much attention to it, since i was going for the Animus weapon anyway. But, i personally think that giving the Atma weapon an iLevel of 95 would make more sense then giving it iLevel 100 (since the stats of the Atma are “lower” then the Allagan and Wave weapons). Then, once you’ve upgraded the Atma weapon to Animus, it could’ve been been increased to iLevel 100.

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Yes, but the stats on the ilevel 95 allagan weapon are at the stat cap and can't be upgraded, while the stats on the ilevel 100 atma weapons are not at statcap and can be upgraded. Once you have your Animus weapon you have an ilevel 100 weapon with stats at stat cap again.

Atma weapon is just a inbetween step between Zenith and Animus. Like the unfinished relict weapon during the first relict quest.

Would Atma keep ilevel 90 it would get the new stats not until all books are finished and the weapon get upgraded to Animus. But because the Atma is already ilevel 100 it can get the new stats the moment the first book is finished.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Yes, but the stats on the ilevel 95 allagan weapon are at the stat cap and can't be upgraded, while the stats on the ilevel 100 atma weapons are not at statcap and can be upgraded. Once you have your Animus weapon you have an ilevel 100 weapon with stats at stat cap again.

Atma weapon is just a inbetween step between Zenith and Animus. Like the unfinished relict weapon during the first relict quest.

Would Atma keep ilevel 90 it would get the new stats not until all books are finished and the weapon get upgraded to Animus. But because the Atma is already ilevel 100 it can get the new stats the moment the first book is finished.

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Well, the funny thing is… The Unfinished Curtana was iLevel 50, the Curtana was iLevel 80 and the Curtana Zenith was iLevel 90. So, making the Curtana Atma iLevel 100 and keeping it iLevel 100 for the Curtana Animus doesn’t really make that much sense, since the stats of the Atma are the same as the Zenith (making you think the Atma weapon should have the same iLevel of 90-ish and steadily increase it with each book you complete).

Also, when you look at the masterworks weapons, you have a Weathered version with an iLevel of 100 and after “upgrading” it, you end up with an iLevel 110 weapon.

The stats of the Weathered Burtgang are “on par” with the Curtana Animus and in my opinion, the stats of the Curtana Atma will only be “on par” with the Allagan Blade after upgrading the Curtana Atma with 1 Book of Strength, 1~2 Book(s) of Vitality and 1 Book of Parry.

Yes, the Curtana Atma is an upgradable weapon with which the means of upgrading its stats differ from upgrading the Masterworks Weapons. Basically, you are using the same weapon all the way through the upgrading progress, slightly increasing the stats with each book, so i understand that the iLevel doesn’t change along the way (and i think that this is the sole reason why SE decided to keep the iLevel all the way through, because you are still using the same weapon during the upgrading process).

But still, with all of this considered, making the Atma weapon iLevel 100 doesn’t really make any sense because of the difference in stats between the Atma (even after upgrading it with every available book), the Animus and the Weathered weapons.

But, this is my personal opnion. (^_^ ) Like i said in my previous post, it doesn’t really matter to me, since i’m going to get the Animus weapon anyway.

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Originally Posted by Aldora

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Unfinished, Normal and Zenith are all different items. The idea behind making Atma 100 was so that when you did a book there was room in the stat pool to add the stats right away. If it was 90, since it starts the same as Zenith, that wouldn't work. In all likelihood they couldn't make the ilvl dynamically change as you boosted stats. The only other option was for you to have to wait for all books to be finished to get any change at all.

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Originally Posted by SionDurant

Right and then they put them behind massive RNG, making them harder to attain than EX weapons but less effective up front. Makes 0 sense.

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RNG is not harder. Just time consuming. It takes no skill at all to get all the Atma for your upgrade. For everyone, time is just a constraint. For some people, raids are out of the question all together.

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Originally Posted by ispano

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That is the time before they talked before the Zodiak system. It was just meaning about Zenith and Primal EX weapons, so nothing can be useful speaking here.

Yes, the higher difficult content will drop better stuffs, and the most difficult content will be Relic. Because at the last stage, it is likely to ask you beat all hard dungeon-in game, just like v1. (that include coil.)