With the amount of posts hating on the Atma fate farming, has a dev reply been posted anywhere? A huge amount of people who pay for the game monthly are pretty damn pissed I'd be surprised if there is no reply yet.
(Not pissed, just curious, atma is annoying but acceptable)
Dev Response to "Up in Arms"?
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03-31-2014, 03:46 AMEdwardVBDev Response to "Up in Arms"?
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03-31-2014, 04:06 AMHumsterMKX
Too fast.... takes 1 week to collect data. Another to translate. And another to discuss and another to draft out a reply and finally another for translation and reply across all languages.
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03-31-2014, 04:07 AMDjeserit
Plus, today is Sunday, community managers not working right now most likely.
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03-31-2014, 04:13 AMPinworms
I think if SE is trying to be people to log on besides raid nights they succeeded. I seriously doubt they will need the drop rate. In 6 months I still don't think they should change the drop rate. This is for the starting quest for you über class weapon that you get to keep forever and keep upgrading. The final stats of the weapon are not even In The game yet as this quest continues over each patch.
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03-31-2014, 04:17 AMMadoka
It is not something you are supposed to blow through in a day. I don't know why so many of you are freaking out over it. RNG a shit and all but just put 30 minutes into fates if you want to try and get it, instead of going for 10 hours and bitching you didn't get one.
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03-31-2014, 04:33 AMEdellisPLAY. THE REST. OF THE GAME.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwardVB
Atma is the progression for people who enjoy grinding. Every other weapon in the game is the opposite.
Why the hell do people bitch about this so much. Treat it like PVP, Crafting, Gathering, or anything else you personally wouldn't pay attention to, and play the game with no detriment.
Atma and Animus aren't even the strongest weapons in the game by a longshot, and for the same amount of time for the full upgrade you could probably obtain a Tidal Wave weapon which is superior anyway.
You do not need to bother with the grindy Atma weapons. You are not missing out on anything optimal. -
03-31-2014, 04:39 AMArkghyom
Still waiting :O
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03-31-2014, 04:39 AMKitfox
Don't grind atmas if you don't like it. Atmas are for people who like grinding. Progressing your relic quest IS NOT NECESSARY! There are other ways to get weapons and other content to do.
Thank you SE for giving us grinding. I like it. -
03-31-2014, 04:41 AMFawkesNo, they're all grinds. The only difference is that atma stuff is grinding super easy casual content like FATEs, and other weapons are grinding unfriendly hardcore content like extremes and coil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edellis
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03-31-2014, 04:47 AMEdellisUnfriendly hardcore content is the natural progression of the game. You get higher in strength, you fight increasingly difficult enemies. If you want the game to let you get stronger but never get more difficult, then i dont know what on earth you enjoy playing. I dont think anyone can really understand what goes on in the mind of someone who enjoys spamming fates and rolling dice for hours on end. But SE appealed to them because they were able to WITHOUT upsetting the balance of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fawkes
If the Atma weapons eventually became more powerful than the highest current equipment, THEN i would be pissed. But it isn't. It's mostly identical to the Tidal Wave weapons in strength (minus the water resistance), and is significantly weaker than the new Allagan weapons and another type of weapon i dont even know how to obtain yet.
It's just a sidequest. Nothing more. It allows you to get a pretty decently strong weapon WITHOUT progressing in the story, but progressing the content is the reason they patched the game, So i can't for the life of me figure out why people are jumping on Atma first as if they're required to do so.
Just ignore it, and come back to it when you have nothing else to do. But there's plenty to do, so why the shit are you guys barfing over the weakest addition to the patch? -
03-31-2014, 05:08 AMFensfieldGosh finally someone just says it simply and flatly x.x Still surprised I couldn't word it so.. .. bah, reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edellis
Thanks for putting it so. Why the heck can't people just let those want something to poke and tinker with in the long-term just have their thing?
I mean, I don't care too much, but just the fact that it's there is nice for me. 'There's always something' is a nice thought to have dangling over as you go about whatever it is you happen to enjoy. -
03-31-2014, 05:21 AMEdellis
Yeah, me too. It's like, I have no current plans to bother with the grindy content, but since Square had the courtesy to not make them optimal equipment (forcing me to eventually want to obtain one), it's just another thing I can put on the backlog of things to do once ive done everything else.
I really don't care for grinding content at all, but Square implemented it in a way where I literally don't have to ever even bother with it. So I dont know why people feel like they're chained to this quest that is completely optional. -
03-31-2014, 05:36 AMIndigoHawkIt's easy to understand why people aren't happy if you look at how things have changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edellis
ARR relic quest wasn't much of a grind. Defeat some challenges, run a few dungeons, kill a few mobs, travel a bit, and done. Now it's a FATE grind. People are disappointed that the next phase of the relics is not like the previous one.
Imagine if the next part of the relic quest required 100 PVP wins or crafting 50 HQ weapons. Or imagine that to go to the next phase of Coil, you need a full set of CT armor. Or to try out the new dungeons, you need to grind a new alt through the entire story again. People wouldn't like it because it's busy work and doesn't match their expectations based on how the previous stage worked. -
03-31-2014, 05:46 AMDyvid
Honestly SE is just doing what the people on the forums wanted. For months people complained about no open world content and that they wanted more length/time to acquire relic weapons. Now you have 3 different ways to acquire an ilvl 100+ plus weapon; Levi EX, Atma/Animus, and Coil.
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03-31-2014, 06:46 AMEdellisQuote:
Originally Posted by IndigoHawk
No, you aren't listening to me.
You do not. Have to do. The goddamn Atma upgrade quest.
I'm not defending it because i dont think it's terrible. I'm saying, its pointless to bitch about because it only exists for the sake of adding a grind to the game.
Its obvious. You spend hours for stat upgrades to the weapon at like +2 per turn-in. In the meantime you could just be fighting the new battles and skipping massive hourly chunks of the quest entirely. -
03-31-2014, 06:53 AMNekodar
1) the fate farming for atma is only to get the base relic atma that gradually upgrades to the relic animus... get past this rng based stage, and the rest is deterministic... atma drop rate seems to be around 4% based on that it took around 300 fates for me to get my relic atma, and I've seen others say they got theirs after around 300 fates as well, give or take a number...
2) this is essentially exactly what people on this forum begged for... they didn't think through what it would mean in practice, and now they bitch about it...
3) as others already pointed out, you can get Wave/Tidal Wave weapons that are equal to, or better, than the animus... gerolt masterworks weapon seem to require running second coil, in addition to soldiery tomes, but chances are the items from second coil can also be a rare reward from ventures (if people already get mog weapons from them, such items are not unthinkable to get...) -
03-31-2014, 07:11 AMElimThe stats(as in crit, det, ss, etc) on the tidal wave weapons may not be better than the Atma/Animus for some classes. Otherwise yeah, it's easier to simply clear/progress through Levi extreme instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nekodar
The thing is, I actually liked the relic weapon quest before 2.2. In all honesty, I enjoyed the storyline and the trials. :3 Now...not so much, but I did the Atma anyway in hopes of it becoming enjoyable again in the future. -
03-31-2014, 07:31 AMTarurantoSecond part of the relic quest, the one with the books, is that people wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyvid
People hated fate for leveling. They hated it for CT access. Why would the freacking like them NOW? -
03-31-2014, 07:47 AMispanoFor all Classes, actually they are, Jobs on the other hand...Quote:
Originally Posted by Elim
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03-31-2014, 07:55 AMJinkoBy which time 2.3 is out. /sarcasmQuote:
Originally Posted by HumsterMKX
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03-31-2014, 07:58 AMElimThe devs said you'll eventually be able to choose the stats on your relic. So no, that may not be the case for the Animus. If I can stack crit on my SCH Animus, I'm going to be using that until I get the new allagan weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
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03-31-2014, 08:01 AMispanoMy point was that Classes cannot use Relics, only Jobs can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elim
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03-31-2014, 08:04 AMElimOh, so you were just correcting my wording. Gotcha.Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
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03-31-2014, 08:08 AMispanoSort of :p. I'm not fond of Job only gear when there's no counterpart, like there was in 1.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elim
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03-31-2014, 08:32 AMNekodarThey didn't have to FATE to level... It was their own choice...Quote:
Originally Posted by Taruranto
When 2.1 came along, the same people started complaining that FATE was not efficient for levelling any more...
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03-31-2014, 09:04 AMFynlarUnfortunately, there isn't THAT much else for some of us to play. I personally am stuck on turn 4 (and surely turn 5 after that) and Titan EX, which kinda locks out a good chunk of the stuff that was added (including alternate paths for weaponry). All I can do is keep grinding myths until Echo buff hits coil and/or I happen on some miracle group that can actually beat those things.Quote:
PLAY. THE REST. OF THE GAME.