Oh boy, the ridiculous crafting recipes for i90.

Who else just noticed this? Lets take i90 crafted casting robe for example -

http://xivdb.com/?recipe/30272/Cashmere-Robe-of-Casting

Requires x2 Cashmere Fleece which are bought for x500 Myth Tomes each.
Requires x6 Tawny Latex which are bought for x150 Myth Tomes each.

That's 1900 Myth Tomes and we haven't started talking other crafting mats yet.

Who will be nuts to farm for this when you can get Myth vendor gear for much cheaper? Smaller pieces like gloves/head require 1400 myth tomes. :eek:

Vanityyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wasn't more or less the same with the ilvl 70 crafted gear? With philo, of course, but mytho is like phylo now

The difference is that these can be melded. It'll be exactly the same as early 2.0 where only the rich/progression focused players buy or craft these - or vanity, I guess.

Except crafted gear can be HQ and materia enhanced, so they can be better than myth gear.

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Originally Posted by Arcaloid

Except crafted gear can be HQ and materia enhanced, so they can be better than myth gear.

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Inferior to dropped gear, as per Yoshi P.

Not to mention I'd be willing to bet this new gear can convert into shiny new lvl 5 materia.

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Originally Posted by Ferocious

Requires x6 Tawny Latex which are bought for x150 Myth Tomes each.

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The Terminus Putty synth yields 3 of them, so it's technically only 2 Tawny Latex, although you'll need 3 to do the synth.

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Originally Posted by Ferocious

Who else just noticed this? Lets take i90 crafted casting robe for example -

http://xivdb.com/?recipe/30272/Cashmere-Robe-of-Casting

Requires x2 Cashmere Fleece which are bought for x500 Myth Tomes each.
Requires x6 Tawny Latex which are bought for x150 Myth Tomes each.

That's 1900 Myth Tomes and we haven't started talking other crafting mats yet.

Who will be nuts to farm for this when you can get Myth vendor gear for much cheaper? Smaller pieces like gloves/head require 1400 myth tomes. :eek:

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Tawny Latex is 150 Myth for 10 of them, not for each.

Vanya and most other phil gear is or I guess was around the same cost yeah, they just reduced the items required from 9 to 1 or 2 but the overall cost is close to the same.

seems reasonable to me. the crafted i70 took significantly more philo too.

meh, they only cost Myth tomes so I'm sure I'll get the full healer set for Vanity purposes. Not like it costs anything but time.

Can anybody confirm if the ilvl 90 crafted gear can be slotted? Because on xivdb they showed no slots at all. Very paranoid right now.

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Originally Posted by Ferocious

Who will be nuts to farm for this when you can get Myth vendor gear for much cheaper? Smaller pieces like gloves/head require 1400 myth tomes. :eek:

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The body and head require 1300 myth tomes, the head/hands/feet require 800, and the belt 650.

The bought gear costs 825/495/375 myth tomes for the same pieces.

They can be melded to better than the bought ilvl90 gear.

Tanks share this crafted gear, healers share this crafted gear, casters share this crafted gear. Except for the belts, this isn't true for the bought myth items.

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Originally Posted by Ranzan

Can anybody confirm if the ilvl 90 crafted gear can be slotted? Because on xivdb they showed no slots at all. Very paranoid right now.

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Which piece? The first one I pulled up at random had 2 materia slots:

http://xivdb.com/?item/7501/Cashmere-Skirt-of-Aiming

These crafted armor are a waste of time, i had my BLM full vanya pentameld and your reward for that is having difficult to join a party finder because of low item level. I wont make a high level crafted gear anymore.

I'm still going to work for a full set of crafted gear. I want it badly.

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Originally Posted by Khazar

These crafted armor are a waste of time, i had my BLM full vanya pentameld and your reward for that is having difficult to join a party finder because of low item level. I wont make a high level crafted gear anymore.

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Vanya gear was useful and relevant before 2.1 when people didn't have much myth gear, ilevel checks came after 2.1 you were just late on the train.

It will be useful in the early weeks and it costs something comparable to what i70 gear cost back in the first couple of months. It will be valuable for progression, people yearned for hard to make and valuable recipes and when we get them we get a complain thread to the contrary. I hope the devs take everything they read here with more than a grain of salt.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Which piece? The first one I pulled up at random had 2 materia slots:

http://xivdb.com/?item/7501/Cashmere-Skirt-of-Aiming

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Thanks my mobile is not acting right with xivdb and couldn't tell.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Inferior to dropped gear, as per Yoshi P.

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Yoshi-P did say that but, if you compare a HQ'd and fully materia'd item to it's dropped equivalent item at the same level, you'd see that it wasn't absolute. Yoshi-P could have easily been referring to the basic state of a crafted item (IE, NQ with no materia).

But yea, evidence and logic are overrated! In any rate, it was also said that crafted items would never be the cutting edge raiding gear. This remains to be true because i90 items are the new darklite. They are the bare minimum to enter the new raids.

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Originally Posted by Shadowzanon

Vanityyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What's the armor model?

I am just happy to have a dye-able acolyte's robe.

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Originally Posted by Ferocious

Who will be nuts to farm for this when you can get Myth vendor gear for much cheaper?

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Are you forgetting what we did with Philosophy Tomes for the past 6 months? No crafter farms the Philosphy Tomes themself; it takes too long. He goes to the Market Board and buys them for 1.5 - 2kgil each. People will eventually cap their Myth Tomes in the same fashion and have nothing else to buy. After a few weeks well have tons of these new Myth materials on the Market Board (unless they can't be traded. Edit: None of the Myth Mats have "Untradable" label on them.)

Y'know, 9 Coke were 1,125 Phil Tomes right? It isn't much different.

Well at the Grand Opening of 2.2 everyone will have to farm their own Myth mats. Let the dungeon grinds begin once again!

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Originally Posted by cearka

seems reasonable to me. the crafted i70 took significantly more philo too.

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Most i70 gear crafted gear was basically worthless anyhow. It's was useful for filling in slots when you had to go from an i70 two slot item -> i90 one slot item but only had one piece (ie: get myth healing body, and buy/craft a vanya hat to go with it). The extra hassle of crafting and then melding a bunch of expensive materia was absolutely not worth the trouble when you could just save up for myth gear that was easily superior to the crafted and melded stuff.

The ONLY exception was the crafted accessories. The reason is you could mix your primary damage stat (str, dex, int, mnd) with vit. Something not available on dropped gear. However, looking at the patch notes, there are no crafted i90 accessories. If that's true, then SE managed to make crafting even more worthless than before.

Good job, SE. Good job.

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

Most i70 gear crafted gear was basically worthless anyhow.

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It wasn't worthless. melded i70 provided an excellent alternative to i90 on alt classes since myth cap and weekly lockouts WITH rng prevented you from just skipping right to i90. When it takes weeks to fill out one job, you need some alternative means to gear other jobs. Maybe not as well, but well enough to play in most content.. A fully melded i70 could clear most pre-2.2 content. (maybe not T4 and T5, but everything else).

Now myth is uncapped, but guess what, we got another cap, Soldiery. Coils 6-9 will also sport lockouts. So yes, the soldiery and coil 6-9 will be the new best gear, but it takes weeks to acquire for one job. In the mean time, the new saurean, cashmere, wolfram will be good alternatives to gearing all the other jobs in between.

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Originally Posted by Ranzan

Can anybody confirm if the ilvl 90 crafted gear can be slotted? Because on xivdb they showed no slots at all. Very paranoid right now.

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I was looking at the heavy wolfram and I saw slots.

The only reason to use any of this is if you need DPS and Healers to stack HP just like how it was done for early Twintania progression. Oh and vanity... yeah, legit reason.

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Originally Posted by cearka

It wasn't worthless. melded i70 provided an excellent alternative to i90 on alt classes since myth cap and weekly lockouts WITH rng prevented you from just skipping right to i90. When it takes weeks to fill out one job, you need some alternative means to gear other jobs. Maybe not as well, but well enough to play in most content.. A fully melded i70 could clear most pre-2.2 content. (maybe not T4 and T5, but everything else).

Now myth is uncapped, but guess what, we got another cap, Soldiery. Coils 6-9 will also sport lockouts. So yes, the soldiery and coil 6-9 will be the new best gear, but it takes weeks to acquire for one job. In the mean time, the new saurean, cashmere, wolfram will be good alternatives to gearing all the other jobs in between.

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Barely. Secondary stats aren't that powerful in this game. It's not worth the extra cost in the way that the accessories were, and I bet most won't bother save those few who have more time on their hands than good sense.

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Originally Posted by Fated

The only reason to use any of this is if you need DPS and Healers to stack HP just like how it was done for early Twintania progression. Oh and vanity... yeah, legit reason.

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The crafted helm, chest, boots, belt, gloves and pants already have all the VIT you can get for that ilvl. This only applied for crafted accessories.

There are no i90 crafted accessories, so this is no longer an option.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

What's the armor model?

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Well this is my warrior/pld one
http://i.imgur.com/97F8Zj6.png

No, I meant the model for the ilvl 90 crafted stuff. Didn't know if we knew yet.

Though thanks for reminding me why I'm so annoyed at the glamours once again... Tanks can wear leather and cloth but how dare a caster want to wear leather or plate...!

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Originally Posted by Naunet

No, I meant the model for the ilvl 90 crafted stuff. Didn't know if we knew yet.

Though thanks for reminding me why I'm so annoyed at the glamours once again... Tanks can wear leather and cloth but how dare a caster want to wear leather or plate...!

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well it depends if its available for all classes, it is the only way tanks can use caster gear. but yeah sad that dow have more access to glamours than dom.

don't forget to add the 15,300 mythology needed for one Animus fully upgraded weapon xD.

The lack of i90 crafted accessories and anything of real value for GSM with this patch (at face value anyway) is sort of disappointing.

Twofold in that having a decked out GSM means little in terms of accessibility to new crafted content, and in that there's now going to be less customization with endgame gearsets.
Accessory Glamours are probably lowest-priority of all the Glamours. Sure there's furniture + dyes across the board, but as for actual items, I think I counted only 4?

It was still somewhat feasible to wear pentamelded i70 as a SCH, maybe 1/5 slots as a dps if you'd gotten shafted by RNG, in an i90 environment.
But now with the new accs, the statgap is far too wide to make i70 really worthwhile unless there's some extreme situation where the extra hp is required at all costs. As it is you'll take a massive mainstat hit (for healers 18 vs 9 mnd per acc).

To me this shows either: a lack of foresight for sidegrades; or that YoshiP and the powers that be either expect we'll have enough hp with the vit boost on the new armors; or that we'll have to punish ourselves even more for wanting that accessory vita boost.

ilvl 90 crafted gear overmelded will be your best chance forward in turn6

Yo time to price myth crafting supplies at 30k ish per thing like as to how peacock ore was 28-30k on the first few months lol!
Gotta play the market asap before their prices drop to 1-4k :(

If you notice... all the tank armor lv 90 are named with "Wolf", It could be that those all those lv 90 recipe are just for PvP.
because I see that every class only have 1 set. If the tank one are PvP, then all other class may be the same.

Yea Im not buying or crafting that crap. I'm just gonna focus on getting i100 and any i110 i can get from the early turns of Coil2.

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Originally Posted by Alise

If you notice... all the tank armor lv 90 are named with "Wolf", It could be that those all those lv 90 recipe are just for PvP.
because I see that every class only have 1 set. If the tank one are PvP, then all other class may be the same.

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Wolfram's an element, also known by Tungsten. Just follows their naming convention, like "high mythril __" unrelated to the Wolf mark pvp items. All the i90 armors have been listed on XIVDB already anyway, so you can see for yourself that's not the case.

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Originally Posted by hqdm

Wolfram's an element, also known by Tungsten. Just follows their naming convention, like "high mythril __" unrelated to the Wolf mark pvp items. All the i90 armors have been listed on XIVDB already anyway, so you can see for yourself that's not the case.

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Just saw the database. seem to be as you said.

However, from the database goldsmith recipe is kidda sad. Why not they make gold ingot be more useful in armor recipe? gold ingot can only make into furniture.