Yoshi P addresses lag. Its time to deliever...

■Area Attacks and Latency Issues■ Producer and director Yoshi-P here. Thank you for all of your feedback on latency issues and the evasion of enemy attacks. As we continue working to address these issues in time for phase 4 and release, I'd like to inform you all of the current situation.

This post will focus on area attacks that are difficult to evade, or still connect even if you appear to have avoided it.

Damage taken when Ifrit uses Eruption.

When Ifrit used eruption in phase 3, the animation had a momentary build-up before the explosion. Because of this momentary buildup, there was a slight delay between the server's check and the explosion. This has already been corrected for phase 4 and release.

Damage taken for what looked like a near miss.
1.Registering Player Damage
In phase 3, when judging whether a character was standing in an attack's area of impact, your position was checked using a circle around your character to represent the space your character stands in.

Furthermore, to keep the different races balanced, the radius of this circle was the same for all characters. Because of this, even if you appeared to have barely escaped the area of effect, a portion of the circle was still within range. This created the illusion that you barely evaded attack, with varying results depending on your race. For phase 4 and release, this circle has been reduced to a single point at the center of where your character is standing to more accurately determine your position.
1.Enemy Progress Bars and Area of Impact

Being an online game, there will always be a minimal delay when input is received from the player and sent back after being processed by the server. In FFXIV: ARR, your position is checked by the server once every 0.3 seconds. This timing is synced and processed according to the servers to prevent lag between your input and what you see.

During phase 3, however, this syncing did not take place due to stringent server checks that took place, causing lag between what you saw on the enemy progress bar and your character's positioning. As a result, even if you appeared to be outside the area of impact when the progress bar was filled, damage was still taken.

Adjustments are being made to reduce lag as much as possible, and syncing should improve the timing between enemy cast bars, area of effect markers, and the actual attacks.

Rest assured that we're doing what we can to make sure players can safely evade attacks by watching enemy cast bars and markers for area attacks.

Players overseas were also affected by having to access the Japan data center in Version 1.0, as this further delayed the relay of data from the server. With the establishment of a regional data center and the above measures being taken to improve syncing with the servers, we will continue working to ensure an enjoyable gaming experience for all of our players. (Even with a great connection, I think there's still maybe a 0.1 second margin of error with the cast bar, so make sure to get out of the way when playing with your party. )

Taken from the beta forums. With the game 6 months old its time to deliver on what you said about lag and avoiding aoes. Currently there is a large amount of people that are still dealing with lag, lag spikes, latency and unavoidable aoes. We want an updated response to what it going on in se and how they are addressing these difficulties.

I understand that not everyone is lagging and in that case this thread isn't for you so don't post. This thread is for the people after a box sale and 5 or 6 months game time paid for that are still not getting the service they should.

Lets get a response in here from Yoshi P himself.

#1 Most important thing : LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE RUBBISH INTERNET CONNECTIONS. This is a fact.
Almost always, its the fault between the persons computer and the nodes and hops between them and the server they're playing on.

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Have you tried diagnosing the issue step-by-step?

For the most part the problems I've heard of from other people are outside of Square Enix's data centres, if everyone encountered this issue then Yoshi-P would need to address it, as its only a select number of people it's not their problem necessarily.

Check list;

•Your Hardware:
Line > Modem/Router > Router > Adpaters/Transmittors > Adapters/Cards > Computer.

I had horrific lag for years playing FFXI, I sent in support tickets and complained and shouted throwing all my abuse and efforts directly at Square Enix. The problem actually lay in two things; Line [The 40-60year old copper-line had partially corroded causing packet loss] and my Wireless adapter [Which was faulty and overheating].

After these two things were replaced my lag was solved.

•Your ISP:

The second time for me was FFXIV on launch, horrific lag, seemingly "oh em gee, must be SE". This time the fault lay with my ISP, after a quick phone call support had been receiving other calls about a similar issue, a day later the issue was fixed.

The problem almost definitely lies between YOU and the server. I have a friend playing in Australia, who has completed Turn 5 and regularly has no issues dodging anything.


Have a little bit of consideration and maturity and diagnose the issue from your end to the server, unless everyone on the server has these issues, then it's you, not them.

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But I've done all of this, and I keep dying!?!?!?!

Cast Bars!
AoE (Area of Effect) indicators are a great way of seeing the radius of what you need to dodge, however its the cast bar from the enemy that matters most. There will always be a minimum transfer time between you>server>you, this can't be fixed, and the greater the distance the longer this will take.

Watch your enemies cast-bar, if you aren't out of the AoE before the cast finishes you will get hit.
In some cases moving pre-emptily is the only way to dodge it (Piercing Laser in T2 is a great example of something a ton of people get hit by, due to its insanely fast cast-time and slow to dissipate AoE indicator)




As always, I could be wrong. But there are ways to try and fix it, check your hardware, check with your ISP and see if the issue really is yours before pointing the finger.

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But, muh lag!

If all of the above fails, it could just be general internet traffic in your area.

The more people trying to force send/receive data requests through your nearest exchange the slower things are going to become, in some cases the following may help you, however this isn't guaranteed to work;

WTFast: http://www.wtfast.com/
Battleping: http://www.battleping.com/
Pingzapper : http://pingzapper.com/

If these companies offer a 'server' try connecting to the 'Montreal' or Canada based servers (As this is where the NA/EU database centers are located for FFXIV:ARR). The rest are located in Japan.

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[ Port Forwarding ]

There's a change this could also be a potential issue, opening the ports used by the NA/EU data centre could very well solve some of the issues you're facing (although this isn't likely, it's worth a try)

http://portforward.com/english/appli...l_Fantasy_XIV/

Simply find your router on the list provided and instructions on how to open the ports specifically for FFXIV:ARR's datacentres will be listed and how you can set it up.

I'm on a 75mb connection in the UK and i ge this a lot. Was never a problem in swtor. Dont get me wrong i think this game is great but if there is one downside its pot luck if i get out of an AoE, sometimes I get about .5 of a second to respond!

Yoshi P doesn't (want to) understand the real issue here. If the game can check player position against AOE on client side (like most MMORPG if not all), people will be fine even with 200-300 ping. But that will be a massive job to do.

WTFast worked for me, I can dodge everything now.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

There will always be a minimum transfer time between you>server>you, this can't be fixed, and the greater the distance the longer this will take.

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Yes.

That's why most games have some kind of movement prediction. Oh, an servers in more places in a Pay to play game woud be common sense.

This being said, is true that most issues can be fixed by our side (Sometimes with methods that we shoudn't be forced to use, as vpn services... but well...).

But even with those issues fixed if you get out of the AOE damage just in time you will be hit. That's bad design. I mean, maybe it doesn't happend with american/japanese players, but It happends with those on the EU. I can deal with knowing that I have to go out of the AOE damage about 0,1-0,2 sec before it hits, but a lot of people don't like it.

Hell, I recognize that everytime that I talk about that it makes me go enrage mode that this problem exist and they don't even bother to put servers in our continent. I mean, I'm sure that we are a large enought party of the player base...

Enemies play by different rules than players, which is piss poor design. Enemy actions are calculated before animation, whereas player actions are calculated after animation.

This is why you can hit Holmgang or Hallowed Ground, die, and have the skills go on cooldown. It's pure nonsense.

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

Enemies play by different rules than players, which is piss poor design. Enemy actions are calculated before animation, whereas player actions are calculated after animation.

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We follow the same rules. When the action finishes executing (cast bar, or if instant, as soon as it's pressed), targets are determined. This is the same for everyone.

-If a warrior uses Overpower (animation starts), and a mob is in front of him, even if that mob gets knocked away by Fluid Aura/gets far away from him for whatever reason, Overpower was already executed, and thus the mob will be hit.
-If a Paladin casts Spirits Within and the mob runs away after he pressed it and the animation already started, they're still going to be hit. They were determined as a target and thus it will happen.
-If a BLM casts Fire II and the cast bar ends (finishes, disappears)... even if one of the mobs in the aoe moves away, they still get hit. They were in the AoE when it finished casting, and thus, they get hit.
-If Titan casts Weight of the Land and you're in the circle when his cast bar ends, it doesn't matter where you go, you're getting hit. You got determined as a target.
-Here's one going the other way. Titan casts Landslide, and his cast bar finishes. You were standing outside of the line AoE, and thus weren't determined as a target. You can now walk INTO the line after his cast bar finished, and you still won't be hit. You're not a target. The same thing goes for Weight of the Land, or any other boss.

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This is why you can hit Holmgang or Hallowed Ground, die, and have the skills go on cooldown. It's pure nonsense.

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You die because these skills have an animation before the actual status buff is applied. This is no different than skills like Overpower, where the damage is not actually applied until after the animation executes. You can say the same about Titan; if he finishes casting Landslide (the bar disappears) and you're in the AoE, but you kill him before his fist rams into the ground, then you won't get hit by Landslide, because he has an animation delay. Titan can be just as angry if he finishes casting Landslide while you're in the AoE, but he has to wait on his animation delay to finish before you actually take the damage and get knocked off.

We all follow the same rules.

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

Enemies play by different rules than players, which is piss poor design. Enemy actions are calculated before animation, whereas player actions are calculated after animation.

This is why you can hit Holmgang or Hallowed Ground, die, and have the skills go on cooldown. It's pure nonsense.

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The strange thing is, after a short period of time you learn to compensate.
Same as we did with the abilities from the primals.
Same as we did for dodging AoEs during battles.

You learn the timing and you compensate for that. The extra time on Holmgang and Hallowed Ground are completely intentional.

The lag is a lie.

Even on SUCCESSFUL Titan EX runs, every time Titan does his sumo stomp, on my client everyone is knocked back over the edge and then runs across mid air. Obviously on their client it displays with them not in mid air over the edge. Even when the game isn't lagging enough to make moves undodgable it just looks silly/embarrassing a lot of the time.

Just had a friend rage quit and cancel his account last night because of the lag problem with dodging AoEs. I've known him for years, and played enough action games with him to know it isn't a hand/eye coordination OR ISP problem.

I don't understand why more AOE attacks are not like when Titan lands from a jump... make it high dmg if you are in the center, and lower from the edge. If they can't get latency right, at least make it a tiny bit more unforgiving.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

The strange thing is, after a short period of time you learn to compensate.
Same as we did with the abilities from the primals.
Same as we did for dodging AoEs during battles..

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So you're admitting that people can't avoid aoes properly due to lag?

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Originally Posted by Shioban

You learn the timing and you compensate for that. The extra time on Holmgang and Hallowed Ground are completely intentional

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Developer quote or stop speaking for them.

...you for my gaming entertainment.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

#1 Most important thing : LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE RUBBISH INTERNET CONNECTIONS. This is a fact.
Almost always, its the fault between the persons computer and the nodes and hops between them and the server they're playing on....


Have you tried diagnosing the issue step-by-step?

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I have almost zero lag issues, and have literally only crashed out three times since early launch began. And actually two of those crashes were on the first day of server overload issues.

But I'll take your post of suggestions and make sure to 'splain this to my three friends whom tried to get into this game but did most certainly have these problems, repeatedly.

I'll say - don't worry, its frigged up but you can do several steps requiring your time and/or ability to figure out tech, and additionally you can also pay a small, but extra fee to an external company in order to have the pleasure of
having what should be minimally acceptable gameplay (*you know the kind you get in every other mmo you currently or have recently played) in FFXIV ARR.


Comeon - such a deal. You are just a jerk if you don't want to use your noggin and figure this all out...what? You just want to buy a game, sub to it and enjoy an on-par experience like your friends? Uhm...not gonna happen unless you do all these other things. Don't want to? Ok, ba-bye, you are of zero interest to this franchise anyhow, go somewhere else.

Yea. Thats the unfortunate attitude I see over and over from many/not all, but many who don't have the lag or issues themselves. Very good p-r for FFXIV ARR. We don't need new players, we are just fine without ya.

How about specifically addressing the problems even if they are complicated, even if no answer currently exists S-E? Not another, 'well we will take a look at these issues sometime SOON' --- specifically respond on a regular basis and show at least something to your customers that you are going to proactively, positively do about this problem.

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Yoshida: We would need to extend the time players have to dodge. But doing that will make the content super easy, so it’s impossible.

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Well... action games, just glad we are playing a Final Fantasy... oh, wait... shit!

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Originally Posted by Arcaloid

Yoshi P doesn't (want to) understand the real issue here. If the game can check player position against AOE on client side (like most MMORPG if not all), people will be fine even with 200-300 ping. But that will be a massive job to do.

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I dont mean to be insulting, but you misspelled exploit.

It comes down to this: If someone else is not having a lag issue and you are having a lag issue... it's your problem. Im not trying to be a jerk, but in reality, there is nothing that SE can do to make your internet have lower latency.

There are things that you can do, however. DISABLE NAGLE's ALGORYTHM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
also, check your latency to the server. an easy way to do this is with a simple "netstat -a -n" and then launch the game, do another netstat and look for the new address, ping it. if your latency is low, but you cant dodge effects, there is a good chance that Nagle's algoryth is sabotaging you.

Haven't struggled with lag ever since I got off wifi and onto a stable connection but I'd be interested in seeing someone who is avidly lagging post some http://www.pingtest.net/ results to add some substance to their argument.

I hate when people say it's always the player or the player's ISP fault. It's a lot of people here that have been playing different MMOs for years and they have never had any issue until now. On a game where your position is checked by the server once every 0.3 seconds. ._. I don't know why they decided that was a good idea for a game that relies heavily on dodging.

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Originally Posted by Massterchef

Haven't struggled with lag ever since I got off wifi and onto a stable connection but I'd be interested in seeing someone who is avidly lagging post some http://www.pingtest.net/ results to add some substance to their argument.

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As I said in my first post.

I understand that not everyone is lagging and in that case this thread isn't for you so don't post.

Get out of this thread.

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Originally Posted by Jaykos

As I said in my first post.

I understand that not everyone is lagging and in that case this thread isn't for you so don't post.

Get out of this thread.

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I'm asking the people lagging to provide evidence that it is indeed the servers and not their connection, shouldn't be much of an issue.

People who keeps saying it's not the lag issue or anything, do you ever understand that :
Servers is in your country, but those people who are suffering are not in your country?

I, myself playing this in SEA (If you don't know this place, get some geography knowledge before you start defending Yoshi P or his IT team)
since I have to move to here and having started this game. My ping is nowhere near below 150ms to US/Canada/JP server.

If people outside of these countries (those with servers in it) are not welcome to play this game.
Please do let us know, and we can stop crying for the lack of responsive from server, and stop our subs.
Rather having us to put up hope for SE will one day fix this problem.
All the subs I have put in, I can save to buy some NON-online game, and shut-up here.

ps. Many similar thread is being deleted by Forum Admins, I am assuming this is something they don't want to know or hear.

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Originally Posted by Arcaloid

Yoshi P doesn't (want to) understand the real issue here. If the game can check player position against AOE on client side (like most MMORPG if not all), people will be fine even with 200-300 ping. But that will be a massive job to do.

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You mean players. The real issue is what happens in between you (player) and the datacenter - It's been confirmed a long time now the problem as of late has been certain hosts such as Sky, Level3.net and Tata. SE already adjusted the PR from 0.3 to 0.1 which means any ping 150 or higher won't really suffer any issues, unless of course you go through level3.net or such to reach the datacenters.

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Originally Posted by Doki

Even on SUCCESSFUL Titan EX runs, every time Titan does his sumo stomp, on my client everyone is knocked back over the edge and then runs across mid air.

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This has absolutely zero to do with Latency. That's just the knockback design of this game because when people get knocked back in FFXI for example they'll "stutter" if they're about to go over an edge or something on someone else's client.

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OR ISP problem.

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Except it is a known ISP problem. Hence why people are blowing up trying to get Tata/Level3 and Sky to fix their problems. Some JP players have issues too but we already know the main problems is what happens in between.

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Originally Posted by Chichicha

People who keeps saying it's not the lag issue or anything, do you ever understand that :
Servers is in your country, but those people who are suffering are not in your country?

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Except people from Southern California have stated they have unplayable lag, I'm pretty DAMN SURE that's in United States of America, which is closer to the NA/EU Datacenter than SEA. Know the culprit for that? Tata communications - the ISP/route in between them and the datacenters, Not Square Enix.

Or am I wrong?

Yoshida-san place a server/datacenter in South America pls :D

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Originally Posted by Nijinsky

I'm on a 75mb connection in the UK and i ge this a lot. Was never a problem in swtor. Dont get me wrong i think this game is great but if there is one downside its pot luck if i get out of an AoE, sometimes I get about .5 of a second to respond!

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I'm not saying that lag isn't an issue, and I'm not saying that it is. I'd just like to point out that bandwidth =/= latency. Lack of bandwidth is very rarely the cause of lag. It is latency that is the issue. You can have a gigabit Internet connection, but have crap latency due to bad routing, and still lag.

Not a complete solution, but leatrix latency fix might mitigate some of the issues

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Originally Posted by Shioban

#1 Most important thing : LOTS OF PEOPLE HAVE RUBBISH INTERNET CONNECTIONS. This is a fact.
Almost always, its the fault between the persons computer and the nodes and hops between them and the server they're playing on.

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You can look at the Tech Support forums and see the large amount of ppl that have worked with their ISPs and confirmed that the issues are with T1 companies going into Montreal.

- Level 3
- Cogent

Most affected by Level 3 get Packet loss starting on Level 3 nodes which are directly causing loss at the Destination aka XIV server.

Verizon has been bombarded with tickets, verified their lines are not the cause. Which is backed by user traces as well.

The issue is with Level 3 or Ormuco. Whether it be a Level 3 equipment/routing issue or packets are intentionally being dropped due to bandwidth caps. Idk, SE will not respond and Ormuco is their so called provider.

This isn't a single ISP or a few ppl. We have been dealing with all this since 12/24/13, prior to this we had zero issues. 12/24/13 is when SE changed the polling rate on stances.

I can VPN all the way to Arizona to bypass Level 3's backbone and get no packet loss. 3,000 miles.

This is just becoming a broken record at this point. I am 300 miles from the server, 12 hops, with only 3 companies involved Verizon <> Level 3 <> Ormuco.

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Originally Posted by Massterchef

I'm asking the people lagging to provide evidence that it is indeed the servers and not their connection, shouldn't be much of an issue.

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I don't have a video about what I'm going to explain (if someone has, please, post it), but I'm pretty sure that with the following example you'll undertand that the server does crazy things sometimes.

There's times where an enemy/boss does a push ability (Demon Wall, Titan) and it doesn't go off until some seconds after it has been casted. How can you see that it wasn't just lag on your side? You get pushed to the direction that you were facing at the moment, not when it was actually casted/being casted. I've seen this happening a lot in Titan (landslide), and it's not just a client side effect as, if you were being pushed right you would have died. However, the server lagging saved you pushing you to another direction (as in 90º or more) to the one that the boss was facing. It happens the other way around too (the server going crazy and hitting you when you were out 2 seconds before), and that's when people die.

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

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Getting punted a few seconds after the cast bar has completed is only a problem with Demon Wall, not Titan. Not to mention a video is not a good indicator of the quality of someones ISP.

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Originally Posted by Lumiin

I hate when people say it's always the player or the player's ISP fault. It's a lot of people here that have been playing different MMOs for years and they have never had any issue until now. On a game where your position is checked by the server once every 0.3 seconds. ._. I don't know why they decided that was a good idea for a game that relies heavily on dodging.

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So first off, only areas that relies heavily on dodging are instances and those have 0.1 sec updates, they changed this a few months back to make it easier for those with poorer connections.

Second, there are 2 big differences in many MMO and FFXIV, and that is server side vs client side checks. many stay with client side, which are much easier to manipulate. XIV uses server side, which are very hard to manipulate checks, but are more susceptible to lag issues. other MMO's use them too, they just have less reliance on moving out of hard hitting AOE.

Finally, the I never lag on other MMO but I do in FFXIV, it cant be my ISP is a bunch of crap. The servers are not in the same place, and thus your ISP routs your data a different path, over different nodes and thus lag on one path may be present while it may not be on another. ISPs sometimes change the paths they send, or patches to the game change the data so it gets flagged as peer to peer for a bit adding lag. in these situations you and SE can contact your ISP and get things resolved, but it takes time, and there is no guarantee your ISP will admit to the problem on their end, or if/how long it may take for them to fix said issue. sometimes the issue is a node they route through that isnt in their control and they need the other company to fix it or change the path they send data. most times they wait for the other people to do the work.

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Originally Posted by Jaykos

■Area Attacks and Latency Issues■ Producer and director Yoshi-P here. Thank you for all of your feedback on latency issues and the evasion of enemy attacks. As we continue working to address these issues in time for phase 4 and release, I'd like to inform you all of the current situation.

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Why use a quote from over 6 months ago, are you trying to deliberately mislead?

Also, that was from the beta days so you're in breach of the NDA rules which forbids posting of comments made in beta forums even once the beta is over .. so I hope SE ban you from any future NDA-protected content.

My ping to Ultros is consistently 30-32ms and I still have enormous issues with getting hit by AOEs I was visually clear of. Convince me that my ISP is the problem.

What the lag issue generally comes down to is that Canada was an awful choice for a datacenter location. That said, paying for the appropriate tier of service also helps a lot with not getting your packets dropped by Level3 (looking at you, Ormuco).

The good news is that, until SE finally transitions to a new datacenter in a more sensical location (what was wrong with Chicago?), services like BattlePing/PingZapper/WTFast do seem to work for the majority of folks, as they are able to route around Level3/Ormuco squabbling.

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Originally Posted by Melithea

My ping to Ultros is consistently 30-32ms and I still have enormous issues with getting hit by AOEs I was visually clear of. Convince me that my ISP is the problem.

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The connection from Level-3 to Ormuco results in packet loss consistently. It is not technically your ISP, but the connection provider Level-3 who is partnered with Verizon. Please look at this information before posting. That is why WTFast or other VPNs make a difference at all, they bypass Level-3 connections.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...da-Data-Center

or this

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ing_lag_while/

I think there are a lot of reasons why players end up experiencing lag. I don't think it's SE's fault only but like others said, a lot of things can add up and lead to lag.
I play on a laptop with a wireless connection and I've never had any issues with FFXIV. It might be that it's due to me not having done any high lvl dungeons yet but I didn't have any issues with the contents I have played so far. I recommend ruling out all other points first before pointing fingers at SE. Also, even if you think your ISP doesn't throttle in general, there's a chance they throttle new games for a certain period of time.

Edit: I'm in the UK, south east England, on Sky.

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Originally Posted by Massterchef

Haven't struggled with lag ever since I got off wifi and onto a stable connection but I'd be interested in seeing someone who is avidly lagging post some http://www.pingtest.net/ results to add some substance to their argument.

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ROFL. There are many many post in many more threads, wich show, whats going on.

Just a fast example:

http://imageshack.com/a/img827/9121/mc0l.png

http://imageshack.com/a/img690/6137/1m6g.png

The two statistics are highlighting the both nodes with the most packet loss. The red lines are the packet loss. I've seen another one in our fc forum, that has a node with 40% packet loss.

And now: go and play with your Barbie and stop flaming people because you don't have any problem, so it doesn't exist.

Not to mention Verizon has been throttling connections to Netflix and such because of net neutrality issues. It is quite possible (not confirmed at all mind you) that they treat the -very large- packets that an MMO such as this sends as an "illegal download", as the only other packets that size are usually illegal movie downloads or whatever. This is just an idea, but it may go hand in hand with my previous post above.

http://consumerist.com/2014/02/11/ne...ios-customers/

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Originally Posted by Clavaat

Not to mention Verizon has been throttling connections to Netflix and such because of net neutrality issues.

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This is not true. Verizon does not currently throttle any specific protocols/sites.

http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog...rottling-issue

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Except people from Southern California have stated they have unplayable lag, I'm pretty DAMN SURE that's in United States of America, which is closer to the NA/EU Datacenter than SEA. Know the culprit for that? Tata communications - the ISP/route in between them and the datacenters, Not Square Enix.
Or am I wrong?

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Maybe we should start collecting data. I live in San Diego which is as SoCal as one can get. I have Cox as my ISP and get 35/10 speeds. I have little to no lag. On occasion is does crop up but I think this is a server thing at times and not just the route to Montreal.


An example, I can play in open world with no lag, do FATEs, farm items, and run around Limsa Lominsa with minimal latency. Raid time comes and I we start Twintania. Lo and behold, people teleporting, 30 second spikes of no movement, etc. AFAIK the Duty servers are in the same location as the world servers.

I believe that maybe the servers themselves may not be having lag but rather have problems calculating and sending back data or that the bandwidth on the duty server end may be bottlenecking.

Of note though, I don't always have lag in duty servers. Last night we did T1-4 and I had no lag at all. 2 people in my group experienced horrible lag (1 couldn't even perform actions during T4 until he restarted his PC/router) so there definitely is some user issue going on but not always.

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Originally Posted by Lurkios

This is not true. Verizon does not currently throttle any specific protocols/sites.

http://publicpolicy.verizon.com/blog...rottling-issue

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Frankly, there has been no proof one way or the other. I wouldn't argue this though, it was meant more as an aside than anything. We both agree on my first point in my previous post about the data packet loss between Level-3/Ormuco so I won't press the issue :)

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Originally Posted by KarstenS

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I merely asked for some substance rather than a general lag complaint without posting specs or quality of ISP to designated server location, but I suppose if you interpret that as flaming then that's your problem. I do believe that a problem exists but separating the people that are actually have it from the people with bad ISPs is important.

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Originally Posted by Melithea

My ping to Ultros is consistently 30-32ms and I still have enormous issues with getting hit by AOEs I was visually clear of. Convince me that my ISP is the problem.

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My ping is consistently 64-68ms and I dont get hit in most places. But guess what happens in prime time when masses of data are passed into Montreal to the serves? ping spikes of 500ms (only jumps for 1/4 sec at a time or so) which is more then enough to die to an AOE. durring these times my packet loss also jumps up, which is also something that can result in you not avoiding the AOE when it looks like you did since the server never gets the you moved information.