Please don't nerf the HM dungeons

One of the things i read in the letter's summary is that many people are complaining about the difficulty of the HM dungeons. But I don't think the solution is to nerf it altogether. The dungeons definitely ARE challenging, but I believe that its because people go in there with inadequate gear. So if you increase the item level, players will be able to completely enjoy the dungeon, and still have room to make an error here or there. The dungeons are truly fun, and i feel part of that stems from the difficulty behind it.

it would also help if there was some sort of in-game help feature. like something that gives you pre battle hints on what the boss's attack style is and/or other things to look out for. not everyone bothers to look up youtube videos. so make it easier for those that don't.

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Please leave them like that so that people that didn't have time to do them, prepare for them and so on have a chance at doing them the way they were meant to be done. I guess they are not really show stoppers.

Thanks! ^^

I'd agree these dungeons need a minimum ILVL of 55 not 48.

I don't think the dungeons should be nerfed but I do think they need to be given their own roulette category. Getting a high level roulette for Haukke HM or Copperbell HM usually results in wasted time as at least 1 of those 4 players probably can't cut it, same goes for Pharos but imo that's because the first boss is rather overtuned and genuinely needs a tweak down.

I think the dungeon difficulty and the ilvl requirement to get in are fine as they are. They probably should have altered the loot drops for places like Pharos Sirius, however, so that that their ilvl was slightly above AK and WP. Just like they shouldn't have been lazy and given us actual new armor models instead of just transferring AK loot tables...

They wouldn't need to nerf it if derps that go into DR wouldn't quit when they get Pharos Sirius. I mean, I've talked an almost full group in regular AF through it with no wipes. People who quit as soon as they get in are pa-the-tic.

Pharos Sirius is the dungeon I hate to get most of all and im ilvl 85 tank. The loot is useless to me , I only do dungeons for the tomes so I take path of less resistance which means If I get this dungeon Im usually better off going for a 30 min smoko break.

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Originally Posted by Amyas

They wouldn't need to nerf it if derps that go into DR wouldn't quit when they get Pharos Sirius. I mean, I've talked an almost full group in regular AF through it with no wipes. People who quit as soon as they get in are pa-the-tic.

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I'm not sure I'd use such harsh language, but I agree in that I don't really understand why people freak out so much over Pharos Sirius. The mechanics are extremely simple; you just need to be aware of them. The boss fights are slightly more involved than WP, but I see that as a good thing. Dull tank and spank bosses make for a dull run. But really, what's so hard about "Kill the adds as they spawn and avoid the growing patches of yellow fire" or "kill one egg each time they try to hatch and kill the adds" or "kill the adds (crawlers first), either move to the center or avoid the charge, and interrupt a single ability"?

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Originally Posted by Alberel

I don't think the dungeons should be nerfed but I do think they need to be given their own roulette category. Getting a high level roulette for Haukke HM or Copperbell HM usually results in wasted time as at least 1 of those 4 players probably can't cut it, same goes for Pharos but imo that's because the first boss is rather overtuned and genuinely needs a tweak down.

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That's a very good idea. bundling every lv 50 dungeon into a single category is not good IMO. Or at the very least, like I said, increase the the ilvl. that way people with too low level dont get dragged in through DR

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I'm not sure I'd use such harsh language, but I agree in that I don't really understand why people freak out so much over Pharos Sirius.

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As I predicted, Pharos became the Oculus/Heroic Halls of Reflection of FFXIV.The risk doesn't match the reward for some people, specially when they can run WP or even AK and it would take half as long to clear than one Pharos run.

That said, the OP mentioned something along the lines of a dungeon journal, and that's something I can get behind. Read about the boss fight and at least get an idea of what to look out for.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I'm not sure I'd use such harsh language, but I agree in that I don't really understand why people freak out so much over Pharos Sirius. The mechanics are extremely simple; you just need to be aware of them. The boss fights are slightly more involved than WP, but I see that as a good thing. Dull tank and spank bosses make for a dull run. But really, what's so hard about "Kill the adds as they spawn and avoid the growing patches of yellow fire" or "kill one egg each time they try to hatch and kill the adds" or "kill the adds (crawlers first), either move to the center or avoid the charge, and interrupt a single ability"?

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Trouble is those adds on the first boss in Pharos actually have quite a bit of health and less able players simply cannot kill them fast enough no matter how much you try to explain the mechanics to them.

I agree, it doesn't need to be nerfed. I honestly think the two HM dungeons are perfectly fine how they are and where they stand in the progression. That said, Pharos Sirius is much too difficult for where they place it. I think they need to up the ilvl to 55 and make it drop gear better than ilvl 60. It seems to me like ilvl 75 gear would be a good placement for it. It gives us a chance to have more sets, gives an extra stepping stone while waiting every week for CT and Coil, and it's difficult enough to where the average player needs a few pieces of DL to clear it anyway.

Although I have to admit, I'm against nerfing it mostly because it's one of my favorite dungeons to heal >.>

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

it would also help if there was some sort of in-game help feature. like something that gives you pre battle hints on what the boss's attack style is and/or other things to look out for. not everyone bothers to look up youtube videos. so make it easier for those that don't.

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Hell no. You go into the dungeon blind, get your head kicked in by the boss and you learn from it. Repeat as necessary.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Trouble is those adds on the first boss in Pharos actually have quite a bit of health and less able players simply cannot kill them fast enough no matter how much you try to explain the mechanics to them.

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They spawn based on the boss's health. If you're getting overwhelmed by adds, someone is dpsing the boss when they shouldn't be.

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Originally Posted by Grailer

Pharos Sirius is the dungeon I hate to get most of all and im ilvl 85 tank. The loot is useless to me , I only do dungeons for the tomes so I take path of less resistance which means If I get this dungeon Im usually better off going for a 30 min smoko break.

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I feel so happy just with the fact that I'll probably never run content together with you...

Please don't nerf the dungeons. Everyone at first felt content was challenging but that is what gives u the thrill to pass it. But as more ppl go through and get their i-level up it will be more routine and then we will be glad it's not nerfed. Already Hauke hm is feeling a bit like Wp. Come on people push yourselves a bit.

All the dungeons are fine and I think the ilvl requirements are pretty well balanced. I think majorly people fall at mechanics and declare it's gear. Look at any thread on Haukke Manor, a ton of people have no idea how the first boss even works. They're just ignoring mechanics by using gear as a crutch.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

As I predicted, Pharos became the Oculus/Heroic Halls of Reflection of FFXIV.

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Well yeah and like Halls of Reflection people don't bother to learn mechanics or tricks.

Running a dungeon that gives ilv60 gear with a ilv80+ job makes no sense at all, so it's fine for me if they're nerfing them as they will have at least some use.

And in general, stop whining about content being nerfed, we will get plenty of hard content with patch 2.2.

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Originally Posted by MrLeonheart

Hell no. You go into the dungeon blind, get your head kicked in by the boss and you learn from it. Repeat as necessary.

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...and then people complain when they play with people who are noobs and dont know what to do -_-

I did the HM dungeons in dragoon AF for the first times to feel how hard they were. And boy aren't they hard... everytime I failed a mechanic, I died. No buts.

They're way over tuned for what they drop. No one is wiping there when WP speed runs aren't going anywhere.

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Originally Posted by cotti

I feel so happy just with the fact that I'll probably never run content together with you...

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same.

pharos isn't even hard...it's just not that forgiving to screw ups.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

...and then people complain when they play with people who are noobs and dont know what to do -_-

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they were going to anyway.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

They spawn based on the boss's health. If you're getting overwhelmed by adds, someone is dpsing the boss when they shouldn't be.

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We have a winner!

It's a fight designed to teach DPS to back off and avoid tunnelvisioning. Apparently that is "too hard".

it looked like they are only changing siren. While I don't think she is particularly hard a lot of healers seem inept at dealing with her.

actually I do have one complaint. her charge is too difficult to see. a yellow casting aura on a yellow back drop?

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Originally Posted by jars

it looked like they are only changing siren. While I don't think she is particularly hard a lot of healers seem inept at dealing with her.

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The hardest thing about healing Siren is dealing with a tank that is incapable of interrupting her Insanity cast. >_< Had that, combined with dps who didn't want to get in the middle of the room when she did her teleport aoe, and it made the mind control debuff so stupid. xD

But, I mean, that's just people doing the fight wrong haha.

In my experience a few tweaks would be fine.

Copperbell's last boss make the rocks for the worm glow a little more distinctly as some people seem to have some trouble finding them from a distance.

Haukke drop some health off the adds in the first and last boss fight. Not alot! Just shave off like 5% on the Butlers, and maybe 5% on the sisters (Second set of adds) on the last boss or give a little more time to deal with them. My reasoning for this one is I've done it as a Black Mage in iLvl 70 with a Zenith and I STILL can't one shot the butlers with a Fire I on a full stack of astral something that seems wrong for a dungeon desinged for ilvl 48... As for the final boss I just personally find the adds annoying and it really seems like the second set is far too short a time to deal with them. Third add I can see being designed for a limit (Assuming you're not over geared).

Pharos isn't too hard, but some of the ambushes are in very poorly placed, and the bosses could use some better tells. Especially Siren its VERY hard to see where her dash is coming from...I'm honestly not even sure if there's an aura on the floor for it and if there is I've never noticed it. I've found her attacks hard to predict and adding some more noticeable auras. As for the second boss...I don't even know. take out some of the eggs? That fight has never seemed to go right for me in a way that felt like it was designed. I understand how it works but I've never seen anyone successfully pull of the intended strategy in my parties. Honestly though, for Pharos it's more trouble than it's worth and I wouldn't mind it being knocked down a peg or retooled to a higher level dungeon. It asks alot for being a iLvl48 dungeon.

PS should be nerfed because when it comes up in the random usually 2 people leave.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrFox

Especially Siren its VERY hard to see where her dash is coming from...I'm honestly not even sure if there's an aura on the floor for it and if there is I've never noticed it.

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Uhm. Look for where she appears on the edge of the room and don't stand in front of her. o.o;

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Originally Posted by Zumi

PS should be nerfed because when it comes up in the random usually 2 people leave.

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Honestly they should just ninja add a debuff timer on the second person that leaves or something, its ridiculous. I get into PS through DR on my war, see everyone has more than 4k hp (8k on my war) so we're so OP for the instance its stupid, one dps says 'OH GOD PHAROS SIRIOUS?' the other one just leaves, with the other saying 'thank god' and leaving too. Healer and I shrugged, waited 3 minutes and got two fresh 50 dps with one who was new and proceeded to faceroll the entire dungeon with no wipes. I said it earlier, but people who leave instantly at PS are freaking pathetic.

They will do these things eventually, no element of surprise there.