The Reward for Story Roulette Not Worth the Time

I love the Duty Roulette but it seems like one of the good things about it is so that new players don't have long queue times for needed story completion dungeons. If you do the story roulette, you get 300 tomes of philosophy, which seems like a good deal to some people except actually it's totally not.

Your only dungeon options are Castrum or Praetorium. I always get Praetorium. It's super long with tons of long cut scenes that players always want to watch. When I was leveling up, I hated players telling me to skip cut scenes, so I don't want to be one of "those players." On the other hand, it really is a very miserable experience to spend an hour on a dungeon, a lot of which is just waiting around, then you only get 300 tomes.

Therefore I've concluded it's not worth my time when weighing the pros vs. cons. If others come to the same conclusion, then it seems like the story roulette won't serve its intended purpose. My suggestion is to buff the reward. In the meantime, I'm skipping that daily chore.

I do it for SBing. You can get 50% in one CM run (not sure about Prae) with the right gear and FC buff.

Nobody is forcing you to do it anyway...so skip it....good for you. lol

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Originally Posted by Karnyboy

Nobody is forcing you to do it anyway...so skip it....good for you. lol

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Good for me. Bad for new players.

I've gotten castrum full of people that were either doing roulette or have at least done it before and it went very quickly for 300 tomes so....

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Originally Posted by Purrfectstorm

Therefore I've concluded it's not worth my time when weighing the pros vs. cons. If others come to the same conclusion, then it seems like the story roulette won't serve its intended purpose.

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As long as some players conclude it's worth their time, that's more players queueing for Castrum and Praetorium than there would be without it. Which is roulette's purpose. It doesn't need to be every single player; that'd actually be counter-productive, clogging the queue with more people who don't need it than people who do.

Given the number of obviously-not-first-timers I've had every time I've run the story roulette, I'm not the only one who's decided it's worth it. So it seems to be working just fine.

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Originally Posted by Purrfectstorm

Good for me. Bad for new players.

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If the world revolved around you then yes, but unlike you myself and other people continue doing them.

I think it's a good reward and do a run daily, in fact 300 tomes for such easy dungeons seems like it's too good to be true half the time, ya know, when half the party have relic +1's and the whole thing is face rolled.

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Originally Posted by Karnyboy

Nobody is forcing you to do it anyway...so skip it....good for you. lol

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Yes, please do skip it because I don't want to group up with you or anyone else attempting to turn it into your own personal speed run because you're in such a huge hurry for your tomes.

OP that's not exactly targeted at you but I am sick and tired of getting into DR groups now with people that are in their own little world trying to solo speed run these instances. Seriously, after the first couple days DR for Guildhests and Main Scenario have turned to utter crap because of impatient, commendation hungry, tools. I've seen more Castrum wipes and more Praetorium wipes than I ever did in the beginning of the game when that content was new and it's all because the people trying to speed run it don't bother to make sure everyone is on the same page or even capable of doing a speed run. In most of these groups I don't even have time to slow down and explain to the players that actually need it what in the world it is they need to do.

Duty Roulette: Main Scenario was obviously meant to help new players or players that had not gotten around to the main scenario yet clear the content but I feel like it's only exacerbating the problems people were having before with being forced to skip all cutscenes and hurry up. So now not only are you not going to get to watch the cutscenes you're also going to have absolutely no idea how to effectively participate in the fights or have any idea what your role is.

Look at it this way. Easy player recommendations. I always get minimum of two every time I run Prae and I don't even stick around. I just say "gg" and leave.

I think if anything the roulette needs to be expanded so that you can end up in literally ANY story mission that needs party members. Making it solely for level 50 dungeons doesn't seem particularly helpful. If someone was actually trying to complete it for their progression, then roulette could genuinely help people who need it rather than exist solely to group people who have probably already completed their story.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

I think if anything the roulette needs to be expanded so that you can end up in literally ANY story mission that needs party members. Making it solely for level 50 dungeons doesn't seem particularly helpful. If someone was actually trying to complete it for their progression, then roulette could genuinely help people who need it rather than exist solely to group people who have probably already completed their story.

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This is already done in the "Low level" roulette.

People frequently get Ifrit and I've even heard of someone getting a Titan with it. The XP bonus for helping that is really good too if you're sub-50 (assuming you are already capped on tomes and don't care about Philosophy if you have a 50...)

45 - 60 minutes for 300 tomes as opposed to 80 tomes for 20 - 30 minutes? The average WP run takes 20 minutes. For the majority of players gearing up with Philo Tomes, 300 tomes in an hour is a godsend.

I actually did this for the first time and had a few people saying "hey let that new guy watch this". People surprisingly followed through and allowed me to finish up until the last boss. Which by the time I got out of the cut scenes the last boss was at 3% hp haha... I don't blame them because i can always run through it as many times as i want later. But I would rather not skip a cut scene because I really want to experience the story as much as I can.

Or you just watch it in your Inn...once I knew you could do that I sat down and watched all the cut scenes again later.

yah some people want to experience it, but honestly, maybe it's just me, I didn't notice a difference watching it later.

I love doing the main scenario roulette. I think the 200 tome bonus is more than fair, and I also get a lot of commendations from running these. Every single time I've gone there's been at least 3 new players, and I kindly and patiently explain each boss to the group. I get at least two commendations each time. These may mean little to you, but every time I leave a dungeon and see that I've been commended, it makes me happy.

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Originally Posted by Karnyboy

Or you just watch it in your Inn...once I knew you could do that I sat down and watched all the cut scenes again later.

yah some people want to experience it, but honestly, maybe it's just me, I didn't notice a difference watching it later.

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Best part about watching cutscenes in the Inn, is that whenever your character is supposed to be in it, it shows you in whatever you were wearing when you opened the cutscene book. Yes, you can stare down Gaius while clad in naught but your undies.

I find this to be quite amusing, considering there's even level 50s doing the lowbie roulette. so far I've had at least one lvl 50 in every run I've done since the patch

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Best part about watching cutscenes in the Inn, is that whenever your character is supposed to be in it, it shows you in whatever you were wearing when you opened the cutscene book. Yes, you can stare down Gaius while clad in naught but your undies.

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This is especially true if you where wearing fugly gear at an important cutscene, it's nice to watch it back later in nicer looking gear. A shame you're alone when you watch then in the inn though, it looks much more heroic and awesome if there are 7 other people in the CS with you.

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Originally Posted by Sunah

I actually did this for the first time and had a few people saying "hey let that new guy watch this". People surprisingly followed through and allowed me to finish up until the last boss. Which by the time I got out of the cut scenes the last boss was at 3% hp haha... I don't blame them because i can always run through it as many times as i want later. But I would rather not skip a cut scene because I really want to experience the story as much as I can.

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That situation with the last boss is usually the result of a really annoying bug that causes some party members to start the fight right in the middle of the arena and thus instantly getting aggro as soon as they skip the cutscene. I usually just tell my parties to stop doing damage if it happens, he doesn't really do much besides an occasional AOE.

With regards to the OP though: 300 philo/hr is the highest rate in the game if you're specifically after philosophy for some reason. It is more than worth it to many players.

Edit: I was definitely wrong.

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Originally Posted by Sub-Xero

Low level only covers up to 47. At least, that's what the description says when you read it. This means that Cape Westwind is not covered by any of the Duty Roulettes.

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Got in that the other day, i forget which, story i think, but i did get placed in it.

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Originally Posted by Sub-Xero

Low level only covers up to 47. At least, that's what the description says when you read it. This means that Cape Westwind is not covered by any of the Duty Roulettes.

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That is wrong.

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Originally Posted by 2.1 patch notes

Duty Roulette: Low Level

Duties
Sastasha / The Tam-Tara Deepcroft / Copperbell Mines / Halatali / The Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak / Haukke Manor / Brayflox's Longstop / The Sunken Temple of Qarn / Cutter's Cry / The Stone Vigil / Dzemael Darkhold / The Aurum Vale / The Bowl of Embers / The Navel / The Howling Eye / Cape Westwind

Bonuses
Gil / Company Seals / Allagan Tomestones of Mythology / Allagan Tomestones of Philosophy

Duty Roulette: High Level

Duties
The Wanderer's Palace / Amdapor Keep / Copperbell Mines (Hard) / Haukke Manor (Hard) / Pharos Sirius

Bonuses
Gil / Allagan Tomestones of Mythology

* An average item level of 48 is required

Duty Roulette: Main Scenario

Duties
Castrum Meridianum / The Praetorium

Bonuses
Gil / Allagan Tomestones of Philosophy

Duty Roulette: Guildhests

Duty Roulette: Guildhests
Basic Training: Enemy Parties / Under the Armor / Basic Training: Enemy Strongholds / Hero on the Halfshell / Pulling Poison Posies / Stinging Back / All's Well that Ends in the Well / Flicking Sticks and Taking Names / More than a Feeler / Annoy the Void / Shadow and Claw / Long Live the Queen / Ward Up / Solemn Trinity

Bonuses
Gil / Company Seals

* Allagan Tomestones will only be awarded to players who have achieved level 50 in at least one class.
* Each Duty Roulette category will become available when two or more applicable duties are unlocked.

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300 Tomes is worth doing them. I wish we had Duty Roulette back when the game 1st launched would have saved me dozens of runs. SE the Reward is perfectly Fine don't listen to this non sense.

As for the OP saying bad for new players Wrong.

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Originally Posted by Teykos

This is already done in the "Low level" roulette.

People frequently get Ifrit and I've even heard of someone getting a Titan with it. The XP bonus for helping that is really good too if you're sub-50 (assuming you are already capped on tomes and don't care about Philosophy if you have a 50...)

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I've got ifrit like 6 times now. 5 mins of work for 100k+ on level 36+ job

I should've been more clear. I'm almost in full myth gear. Philosophy tomes are just for alts now, hence not really worth it, considering that you can get both philosophy AND myth from other dungeons/roulettes. However, it WOULD'VE been a godsend in the beginning, this is true. I ran Castrum without this bonus like 50 times to get full Dark Light + Relic. If you look at it that way, I suppose you're right that 300 philosophy tomes is more than worth it.

I guess I just expect my dailies to be something that I would at least strive to do daily, but since I've played from the release, this particular roulette is not very fun for me. I guess that's okay too. Not every feature of the game needs to appeal to me personally, but I don't think it's selfish for any of us to on some level want this, since we're paying to play this game and investing our time in it.

A game should be fun but fun is subjective. I was just putting in my own perspective because I really would like some way of justifying doing this every day. I hoped more people would feel the same as me but apparently I'm in the minority and again that's fine, the feature can be left as it is then. I think it would be better if more people felt that it was worth doing but there probably are enough so that queue times are still somewhat reasonable and they're for sure better than they would be without the roulette. It remains to be seen if this will hold in the long term but there's no reason SE couldn't just wait and see what happens on that and change it later if it becomes a lot harder to queue for main story quests.

As for the whole cut scene thing, I did NOT rush anyone through cut scenes. I specifically said that in the OP, I didn't and don't want to be one of those players. But I'd be lying if I said that waiting 10 min (and yes it was 10 min for a couple of the cut scenes) was terribly fun for me. When some players got sick of waiting and jumped the gun towards the end, the players who were experiencing Praetorium for the first time missed the whole fight. If that's what the reality of this system is going to be like and I was a new player, I think I'd rather skip the cut scenes and watch them in the inn later than to watch the cut scenes and miss the actual fight itself (and have to do the dungeon all over again, skipping cut scenes, to experience it).

Since you have to click through text to get through cut scenes, some people are getting through them in a minute or two, while others are taking far longer. A couple of the players in my run took 5-10 min on most of them. I know people read at different speeds, but seriously, one does have to draw the line somewhere. What if it was 11 min, or 12, or 15, or 20? At some point, you have to leave those players behind, if for no other reason than it could become impossible to even complete the run. If the non-new players are all in i90 and relic +1, it's not like the 1 or 2 new players are really needed to win the fights.

As for the commendation thing, I get more commendations from speed running content (even Praetorium) than waiting for that single player to watch cut scenes. Perhaps this is why I did not realize that my viewpoint might be the minority - my experiences seemed to suggest otherwise. Furthermore, one can get far more commendations doing WP 3 times than Praetorium once, plus you have to ignore that WP also gives myth, you make more gil, AND actually is often being run in 15 min not 20, which is enough to fit in a whole entire run. Also factor in that during that time, all the players are actually doing something and staying busy, not just waiting around for someone else to read. If 5-7 other players are bored out of their minds and waiting on you (who are getting a virtual carry through the dungeon) and you can watch your cut scenes in the inn it seems odd to me to call all those other players selfish. I'm not saying the cut scene watcher is necessarily more selfish either.

The level of self-interest appears to be about the same: we do something for an hour and we'd like an hour's worth of fun, please and thank you. None of you have to agree. That's why it's called an opinion :)

Pretty sure every CS in Praet/CM you can use the skip CS on so there is no clicking on dialog boxes to continue. So I guess if someone is trying to skip CS's they should learn how to use the skip CS button....... If someone wants to watch theirs CS's cause its there 1st time then let them, If the party can continue without them and they get left behind so be it. They will and can rerun the dungeon. It kinda sucks that the Party finder option is only for server parties, Cause Then players can do Dungeons for the speed they want. But with SE adding in 200 extra tomes to story modes people are still going to speed run and I've been going back to CM/praet since the patch and haven't seen anyone tell anyone to skip CS's. I maybe seen it a handful of times.

Also I don't see what People being forced to skip CS's or People having to wait for people to watch CS's has to do with wanting to get more out of a new system. The bonus Tomes are perfect even if you have to wait an extra 10-20mins, You're getting 3Xs the tomes in one run. So what would take you 45-75mins depending on your party, You are doing in 15-35mins ( if someone does CS's).

The Bonus is only once a day. I guess I'm in the same Boat as you started since Beta P3 and when Launch hit I was level 50 the next day and I spammed the hell out of CM I know for a fact that I ran CM over 200 times in like 3 weeks, Then I lost interest in doing them. Ilvl86 MNK here and I was part of the Monday only crowd and played like 4-6hrs a week but now I get to login daily If I wish. I may not like the Housing prices and CT loot lockout but I enjoy the daily roulette system.

I randomly cued CW, CM, and Prae as my whm once a day in 2.0 when there were no bonuses. if the team happened to fail, i cued again til i helped get a team through the run. It shouldn't be about the tomes you get, the reward should be that you helped upto 8 people live and sucessfully complete the culmination of their journey thus far. the Tomes should just be the icing

but thats just me

every new player with a heart for this game, will inevitably, want to finish content fast as that is the game progression. it is incredibly rude to justify story "satisfaction" in a mmo element because your a defending a "player-type"— that will want to someday play the game "faster". OR why are you playing? More importantly a new player should always come prepared for the content through their own research. if i can summarize your argument into a idiom i am familiar with, then you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. and PLEASE stop rage typing, objectifying other players, and making a nonmember incentives by commenting here. #playFFarrmoreoften

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Originally Posted by RavenL

That is wrong.

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You're right. I've been playing on a very blurry and terrible TV on the already bad looking PS3 version of the game over at my friends house for the past few days and only saw the dungeons part while missing the trials part of the description. I knew it seemed awkward that it only went up to 47. Glad to know that Cape Westwind is not forgotten as that'd kinda suck for people that needed it.