I like this game, alot may I add. I was willing to over look "lack of content" such as ingame pvp, having coil have a lockout timer and large amounts of lag this game is plague with.
However, SE`s decision to add a lockout timer to CT was the final straw for me. Look I understand you do not create enough content to dish out every month, and content is only released every three (in this case 4) months.
I have some sort of solution for SE and its future game content. Ditch the 100% chance guarantee on boss drops.
Why not make CT/coil and future updates not have a lock out of a week, but instead rely HEAVILY on RNG for boss loots. Meaning .1% to get a RANDOM loot between the 8 classes already present ingame. (Weapons/Armor) in this case, instead of having a system that produces 100% guarantees that a weapon/armor will be produced once a chest is open.
The drop percentage doesn't even have to be .1 percent it could be higher, hell even lower. As long as we are able to run the dungeon as much times before we can get any loot is way more rewarding than a dungeon that grants 100% drops, but the way SE sets up the dungeon loot is really strange to me, sure it may be 100% chance youll get a loot from a boss chest, but the catch is that loot may not be for the class you currently are running.
Which is really flawed I must say because it creates this stupid lockout design that SE needs to place on players
These lock outs are hurting casuals and hardcore players because us players may log on literally for 1-3 days of the seven days to run a dungeon and then are forced to wait a WHOLE WEEK to do the same thing forcing us to not play the other 4 DAYS!
How about two modes? Casual and hardcore. Casuals can enter a dungeon with 100% guarantees, while hardcores are subjected to RNG. The catch? You cannot obtain loot from hardcore if you obtained it from casuals. Also if you obtain a loot from casuals you are locked out for 1 week until monday resets. Afterwards you have a choice of choosing to do casuals or hardcore once the reset applies.
However, if a player chooses to go with the casual route, you can enter hardcore\casual still but like I mention is subjected to 1 week loot lockouts, in the case that a friend would prefer running a dungeon as hardcore as opposed to casual.
Anyways I'm done with this game until lockouts are addressed, im kidding ill resub tomorrow, but please :( me hates the lockout
Solution to lockouts. RNG.
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12-05-2013, 01:23 PMOdinTheTaintedSolution to lockouts. RNG.
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12-05-2013, 01:31 PMKiriA500
Ugh, no thank you. Bad archaic game design is bad. There is nothing worse than going months without getting a single item because the RNG was being awful.
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12-05-2013, 01:33 PMLemmingKingXXX
RNG and Lockouts are really just alternatives to each other, I'm not sure if anyone's come up with a solution to the problems created by either that doesn't require inordinate amount of resources.
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12-05-2013, 01:39 PMLafiele
I prefer lockouts over RnG.
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12-05-2013, 01:39 PMOdinTheTainted
How about two modes? Casual and hardcore. Casuals can enter a dungeon with 100% guarantees, while hardcores are subjected to RNG. The catch? You cannot obtain loot from hardcore if you obtained it from casuals. Meaning you have a weekly lockout until monday resets the lockout timer, afterwards you have two choices casual again or hardcore. However, you can enter hardcore still, in the case that a friend would prefer this method as opposed to casual.
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12-05-2013, 01:42 PMsaber_alter
i would rather have the lockout be class specific rather than character-wide.
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12-05-2013, 01:43 PMRoris
I really wouldn't mind RNG, we did it in 1.0 with Darklight and at least that meant we always had an excuse to run the dungeons. Just don't make the drop rates as bad as they were back then, but even if they did it would still be a better solution than weekly lockouts.
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12-05-2013, 02:07 PMOdinTheTainted
Bump . Then bed
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12-05-2013, 02:28 PMKogaDrakeI'm 100% sure live letter said no lockout for CT, so what you crying over? stop spreading false info..Quote:
Originally Posted by OdinTheTainted
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...812-02-2013%29
EDIT: loot timer is not clear in this, but it is likely limiting you to 1 drop per run, but you can do CT many many times a week, and to limit the loot to one roll a week would be stupid if they let you run it many times as it would have very little reason to go again once you get loot. -
12-05-2013, 02:38 PMSeirra_Lanzce
Crystal Tower doesn't have lock out, only Loot Lock.
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12-05-2013, 03:19 PMMaxthunder
[QUOTE=OdinTheTainted;1629022] snip
How about the casual mode gives you no drop and the hardcore mode gives you the drop? Im sorry I can not support this idea of yours. So basicly you want the casual mode to give hand outs for little to no effort it seems. Lets be real, what you are saying is you want an easy mode and a hard mode, with the exception that easy mode gets a 100% drop. Sorry man thats a no no, if you want something bad enough you will go and do coil either with a pug group or a static it is your choice, or you can wait till they nerf it. -
12-06-2013, 01:59 AMOdinTheTainted
People are really picky on how things are worded huh? What false information am I spreading? I said lockout to generalize any lockouts, be that it is loot lockout or dungeon lockouts. God some people really irritate me
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12-06-2013, 05:20 AMOdinTheTainted
[QUOTE=Maxthunder;1629179]
What hand out are you speaking of. Currently the way gearing is set up in this game is just that, 100% hand outs during a boss defeat,Quote:
Originally Posted by OdinTheTainted
The only thing that isn't guaranteed is that the loot will be for your specific class. Please don't comment unless you read the entire op, because you look foolish -
12-06-2013, 05:40 AMRyios
Made a new thread for my idea.
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12-06-2013, 05:51 AMIcarianQuote:
Originally Posted by KiriA500
How is this different from what we have now though? We only had 3 healer/caster drops since the first coil we did in early September, we only get BRD, BRD and more BRD (Turn 4 dropped the the fourth BRD body this week), since we can only do it once a week AND there's already RNG, it's extremely frustrating, I'd rather try it more times at a lower chance, than try it once a week and get cockblocked by RNG plus lockouts. -
12-06-2013, 06:08 AMGrizzlebeard
Maybe I'm not understanding this new lockout for CT correctly. Essentially, what they're proposing is a system where a small linkshell with only one or two geared tanks find themselves unable to progress because said tanks gained gear in a run and were subsequently locked out for a week. Or, the tanks passed so others could get gear then discover there is no one left to run the instance to get their drops.
Because, if that is the case, then well done S-E in coming up with one of the most idiotic systems I've come across in almost 14 years of playing MMOs. -
12-06-2013, 06:19 AMAlberelIt's a loot lock out, not a raid lock out. You can run it as much as you want but can only win one piece of loot per x amount of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard
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12-06-2013, 06:35 AMGrizzlebeardAh, that's not as bad as I initially thought but still a poor idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberel
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12-06-2013, 06:41 AMSkiesDreary minimal RNG that requires gigantic amount of time investment is a poor ideaQuote:
Originally Posted by Grizzlebeard
Loot lockout is a poor idea
Dungeon lockout is a poor idea
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12-06-2013, 09:06 AMOdinTheTainted1 every 3-4 days :]?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skies
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12-06-2013, 09:08 AMgamesmart
They tried this type of drop system in 1.0. It didn't work.
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12-06-2013, 09:11 AMOdinTheTaintedYes I see that, believe me I have played enough MMO's to know. However why not cater to both crowds? create two separate dungeons that are based on each looting system, one that runs how the current loot system is, and one that is totally RNG.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamesmart
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12-06-2013, 09:14 AMTenkuYeah? You sure about that? How about nobody wanting to do the instance because they already got their piece of loot for the week already and can't get anything else? Be prepared for people crying about 2 hour wait time for CT duty finder towards the end of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiriA500
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12-06-2013, 09:20 AMKiriA500Well, people will cry regardless. It really sucks that this community is so bad that they'll only do something if they are guaranteed an item. Oh wait, people help out with fights/coils constantly. I got my Allaghan tank body piece the first time I ever did coils, yet I still do Turn 1 with my friends, because it's a group effort.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tenku
The type of people you're describing are a minority, just like the type of people who would want an RNG based loot system that has nonsense like .1% drop rates. -
12-06-2013, 09:23 AMDoctorPepperThis right here is the only viable solution that I can agree with. People should not be forced to make additional characters to experience content on different jobs when one of the biggest features in this game is the armory system that allows you to play everything on 1 character. Yoshi has even said that leveling is not the part of the game he wants people to enjoy the most so why lock people out of enjoying the content on other jobs with the same character? I understand that you don't get locked out in the same way you would in coil but personally I will not run this multiple times per week if I won't get anything besides philo (because my myth is probably already capped). If the lockouts were per job I would gladly enjoy the content multiple times per week across other jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by saber_alter
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12-06-2013, 09:30 AMTenkuYou are wrong. The type of people I am describing is the majority. My group is the minority that helps random noobs with Titan HM runs to combat the sellers. RNG based loot system is not bad if the drop rate is not bad. Who said it had to be .1% or 5%? Why couldn't it be 10% or 20%? Hell, why couldn't it be 100%? There's so many jobs and so many different pieces of gears, the % that you will get the piece of gear you want is already lower than a 10% chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiriA500
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12-06-2013, 11:08 AMOdinTheTainted
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12-06-2013, 12:04 PMMariusThis right here. I would always prefer lockouts over any RNG. Especially playing the first version of FFXIV and other various mmo's. Nothing worse then running something so many times and not seeing anything drop. I'm all for lockouts, but if they make them character wide that would be the one of the more stupid things SE has done. Should be CLASS specific then the system wouldn't be bad at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by saber_alter
Most long term players in WOW had more max level characters. If you didn't get something using the group finder, you can just log in your alt and try for loot there. FFXIV is built upon you being able to be all classes and jobs so you don't have this luxury which I feel is stupid. People have more than one max level job and should be able to gear those those jobs. -
12-06-2013, 12:05 PMMarius
If I don't get class specific gear on my PLD, I would definitely run CT on my SCH for a chance for SCH gear. If i'm locked out for getting gear once a week for every job for just one run, the only reason I see people doing CT is if the ratio of philosophy and mythology tomes are high after completing it. That is, unless SE puts a cap on giving you tomes after you complete it once or something similar.