I think that's what the hard drive is called, well anyway. I am thinking of upgrading as I am sick of the slow loading and extreme lag, but at the same time I don't want to spend a fortune on the HD either since I plan to move to PS4. My question is this, is it really with upgrading considering I plan to switch to PS4 and if I do what is a good inexpensive option? Thanks for any input. ;)
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11-28-2013, 02:17 AMWobblePS3 & SSD
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11-28-2013, 02:20 AMSoulburn32
You can get them on sale for like $100
Depends on how long your going to wait on your ps4 if that is worth it to you or not -
11-28-2013, 02:41 AMKeoeson
Get a hybrid drive, it's a lot cheaper and provides more space.
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11-28-2013, 02:44 AMSoulburn32I looked into those after people were saying this. From my reading Hybrid drives will not work on game systems because they need some kind of software or something to learn what you use most often and store that to the faster part of the drive. So it would just be a normal HDD with faster read speed and not a true SDD functionality when used in a console.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keoeson
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11-28-2013, 02:47 AMMilmoko_Gemoko
Do it mate, I got an SSD a few weeks back and my GOD FFXIV runs so smooth and fast now, almost no load times :D
Make sure its 5400RPM though or you'll over heat the PS3 and kill the machine, 7200 might be a few seconds faster but the PS3 wasnt built to cope with the extra heat they emit.
EDIT: example since I timed it, it took 1min from log-in screen (user name/password) to get to the adventure field (New Gridania) during UK Prime Time the other weekend :) -
11-28-2013, 02:49 AMMJ01118
Solid state drives don't spin. As far as speed goes it will be a substantial increase.
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11-28-2013, 02:55 AMKeoesonThere are drives likes this, but I think they're called dual drives. If you search for SSHD you should find the right thing. These drives handle the SSD cache transparently and the drive firmware decides what to cache. The write speeds won't be much better, but that's not really important for gaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburn32
I've got one in my PS3 and it works great. -
11-28-2013, 02:56 AMC-croft
Keep in mind with an SSD, you will be taking a size hit. But a good SSD will cost about $180 for 256GB. Hybrid drives have shown improvement in speeds and is almost like a best of both worlds on the PS4. Granted this is going into your PS3 but you can swap your HDD out for the hybrid if you don't mind formatting it from the PS3 into the PS4. I think it was IGN who did a HDD v. Hybrid v. SSD comparison on the PS4.
Ultimately, it depends on when you are getting a PS4. -
11-28-2013, 02:58 AMLurkiosDo /NOT/ get a hybrid drive for a ps4. They tend to rely on software drivers to determine which data gets put into flash memory, drivers the PS4 will not have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keoeson
They're also largely a gimick and rarely provide any sort of meaningful performance boost. You'd be a lot better off buying a decent, standard platter drive. -
11-28-2013, 03:02 AMSepixI dont think you got yourself an SSD there ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko
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11-28-2013, 03:04 AMflamds1Quote:
Originally Posted by MJ01118
Aren't ssds sata III? Last I heard, ps3 didn't support sata III so you would still be bottlenecked by that no matter how fast your ssd/ hd was. -
11-28-2013, 03:08 AMLurkiosSSDs do not spin, there is no RPM rating. SSD speed is rated in IOPs and data rates. What you have is a good ol' standard hard drive. And the PS3/4 are more than capable of handling 7200rpm, which does not generate significantly more heat than a 5400.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko
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11-28-2013, 03:09 AMKeoesonSource?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurkios
They are drives which need extra drivers, but then we're not talking about hybrid drives. Actually it's SSD drives which are better off in a modern OS, which support the TRIM command. Without it the drive can't do proper wear leveling and depending on usage it shortens the life span of the drive. Unless you only play FFXIV and are ok with a small drive size, I highly recommend a hybrid drive -
11-28-2013, 03:12 AMMJ01118
Sata 3 is backwards compatible not to mention you can get sata 2 ssd's more times than not you will never have enough throughput to fully populate Sata 3 unless you are transferring larger files. Ssd has that advantage of flash memory and can pull the data you want to load faster
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11-28-2013, 03:13 AMSoulburn32
sata 3 will run at sata 1 and sata 2 speeds
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11-28-2013, 03:18 AMClaire_Pendragon
You can use your SSD in the PS4, but be careful, you don't want to have a SSD too small. The PS4 OS takes up roughly 120-130GB of space, and might take up more in the future.
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11-28-2013, 03:31 AMLurkiosGoogle is a good one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keoeson
TRIM is completely unrelated to wear leveling, which is performed entirely by the controller and will work regardless of the OS/device the drive is installed in - nor is TRIM in any way related to the drives lifespan. TRIM is purely performance related, it zeroes out blocks of data that have been tagged as "free" space. Most modern SSDs include a "garbage collection" feature which does the same thing, making TRIM largely irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keoeson
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11-28-2013, 03:37 AMMarishi-TenI agree. Hybrid drives are at best a pain in PC's. On a PS3, I doubt it would even work. A straight SSD (SATA II or Beter) would be a better fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wobble
You indicate that you want an SSD to stop gap latency issues? The SSD will help you load zones faster (Mor Dhona to Amdapor Keep for example), but if you're experiencing rendering lag or network lag, the SSD can't do much. -
11-28-2013, 03:37 AMTaerra
god do I need one of those for PC, SSD would cut down my atrocious loading times I hope
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11-28-2013, 03:48 AMLurkiosAll truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marishi-Ten
It should. You might also try running the game in fullscreen mode if you haven't already. I haven't experienced the issue myself but it seems a few people have noticed significantly decreased loading times when choosing fullscreen over windowed or borderless window.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taerra
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11-28-2013, 03:51 AMYuichiThis, hybrid drives you can get a 1tb for around $100 vs a ssd 250gb for $150Quote:
Originally Posted by Keoeson
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11-28-2013, 03:54 AMKyriea
I highly recommend an SSD, it really improves gameplay on the PS3 and is 100% noticeable. You won't regret it at all. Also the PS3 uses the HDD for a lot of things, for example rendering time is significantly better with a faster HDD (SSD). SATA doesn't really make a difference, people say it does but either way it's a huge difference just having an SSD over whatever they give you as standard, so it's really not worth worrying about the port you're using. There are places where you can find a bargain so you don't always have to pay full price for them.
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11-28-2013, 04:00 AMRochetmlolWUT? Does the PS4 also fly a space shuttle?Quote:
Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon
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11-28-2013, 04:09 AMKeoesonPlease use it. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=trimQuote:
Originally Posted by Lurkios
OMG, please use at least Wikipedia before spreading this nonsense.Quote:
TRIM is completely unrelated to wear leveling, which is performed entirely by the controller and will work regardless of the OS/device the drive is installed in - nor is TRIM in any way related to the drives lifespan. TRIM is purely performance related, it zeroes out blocks of data that have been tagged as "free" space. Most modern SSDs include a "garbage collection" feature which does the same thing, making TRIM largely irrelevant.
TRIM is the command, which actually tags the free space, it doesn't zero anything. Without it the drive doesn't know which data is still in use and once the drive was full once, it will be full forever for the drive firmware. Once the OS tells the drive which areas are free, it makes garbage collection more efficient and reduces the number the writes needed, thus increases the life span of the drive. -
11-28-2013, 04:14 AMLurkiosDid you actually read the Wikipedia on TRIM before typing that out? It confirms everything I said in the first 3 paragraphs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keoeson
At the very least you seem to be a bit mistaken about what "wear leveling" is. Reducing reads is not "wear leveling", wear leveling is evenly distributing writes across blocks of memory so that no single block is written to significantly more times than any other. It causes all of the cells to wear at a more or less even rate. Although, with the amount of over provisioning in most SSDs I'm not entirely sure how necessary it is (not that it hurts). -
11-28-2013, 04:25 AMClaire_Pendragon
http://youtu.be/r1o1I1zb8gU
This is a side by side comparison of a normal HDD, with a SSD. (Maybe he said it was a hybrid, I forget, but I know he mentions hybrids)
Its not just Load times between zones, but actual game content is effected, mainly larger scale content, such as FATEs, where the game loads a lot of info off the HDD while in combat.
Either way, give it a quick watch, to see how it effects the PS3. (IDK how it would effect the PS4, if it could even be any different from the PS3.) -
11-28-2013, 04:30 AMC-croft
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...57155469,d.cWc
Google link to IGN's hard drive speed tests. -
11-28-2013, 04:37 AMSoulburn32Looks like the hybrid is going to be the solution for ps4 but i would say the storage needed on ps3 is a lot less and a ssd would be the better buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-croft
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11-28-2013, 04:39 AMC-croftYeah it boils down to whether or not he wants to reformat the drive for later use in the ps4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soulburn32
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11-28-2013, 04:40 AMashikenshin
Just be sure to get a 160+ gb SSD. I made the mistake of buying the 120gb option and now it will stay inside the ps3 :(
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11-28-2013, 04:40 AMWobble
Thanks for all the input everyone. I already have a PS4 and don't plan on messing with its HD since I am hoping they have taken some of this into account. I am just not sure how soon it will be out on PS4 so that why I'm wondering if an extra $100-$200 is worth it right now, I will most likely sell the PS3 once I switch over.
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11-28-2013, 04:58 AMC-croftYou can get a 1TB seagate maximus hybrid drive for approx. $100. According to Eurogamer and a speed comparison for Stock HDD v. SSD v. Hybrid, a hybrid would still be an economical choice. It may be the 7200RPM as they do state they are unsure if the hybrid selling point really works or not, but it still saw gains over the stock drive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wobble
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11-28-2013, 04:58 AMKeoesonLet me quote the key sentence:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurkios
"More recent SSDs will often contain internal idle/background garbage collection mechanisms that work independently of trimming; although this successfully maintains their performance even under operating systems that do not (yet) support Trim, it has the associated drawbacks of increased write amplification and wear of the flash cells."
Where does it say that TRIM makes garbage collection largely irrelevant?
If you don't understand what this means, this is the wrong place to explain this.
You just have to trust me, I do this for a living... -
11-28-2013, 08:10 AMFelis
You can also buy the SSD for the PS3 and build it later in your PS4
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11-28-2013, 08:20 AMnekochen
SSD definitely increases your performance, but at the sametime.. you can buy another PS3 with the price of a decent SSD.
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11-28-2013, 09:46 AMRushx21LOL this made my day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Milmoko_Gemoko
Anyways, I installed a Samsung 840 Pro 250GB SSD in my PS3 and it just wowed me. Loading times in any zones is super fast, crowded fates won't be a problem since you can see the mobs load faster with a SSD compared to a HDD. Overall I would highly recommend it. Install was very easy including the software installation. -
11-28-2013, 09:52 AMMilmoko_GemokoIts an definately an SSD :D I might have got the RPM thing from if your putting a standard HDD in there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurkios
I am not the most techy of people I'll freely admit that lol. -
11-28-2013, 10:35 AMTheRealist
Got a SSD in my PS3 just for this game and it works great. No need to buy a good ssd either as the PS3 only supports sata I. So you can go all out and buy the best one out there if you like but you won't experience the benefits.
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11-28-2013, 12:00 PMDhalmel
Would rather just save for a PS4 than continue with playing the crippled version of the game.