So I have been doing a little research on the overly popular Vanya gear set and from my conclusions that I have drawn from it..The DL set is still superior no matter what you want to craft on the set? BLM here by the way. Seeing HQ is pretty much capped on the stat increases, other than the fact you can dye the set, I see no real reason to spend 3 to 4 mil (totaling market prices for all HQ on Ragnarok server) with materia if the DL is better.
Also, is there a guide somewhere (I've looked everywhere) that tells you max stats on the item and what materia can be melded to it? Pressing my luck and hoping it all goes through and that I didn't waste materia/gil is a little annoying.
Thoughts?
Vanya Gear Set...Not As Good As I thought?
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11-05-2013, 02:27 AMKyteStonesVanya Gear Set...Not As Good As I thought?
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11-05-2013, 02:31 AMEmSix
Vanya +1 is better. It isn't the attributes you get crafted gear for, it's the side stats like Crit, Det, etc.
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11-05-2013, 02:36 AMKyteStonesI just don't see how it's better. I'm trying to find a way to justify the purchase. you meld materia for side stats but it just doesn't seem to be better than DL for the cost even with the forbidden meld.Quote:
Originally Posted by EmSix
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11-05-2013, 02:37 AMCondottiero
On my server, the mats for Vanya run for 30-35k a piece, 9 of them is 270-300k. Having multiple crafts at lvl 50 makes Vanya + 1 easily crafted. To get the materia, spirit bond lvl 55 gear and convert it. Sell it or use it and you've made your own Vanya for 350k. It's significantly better than DL with materia attached and it makes you different than everyone else. You can also sell it back for waay more than what you spent crafting it when you get Allagan or Myth gear. Then you can get multiple relics with the tomes you saved too. It's a very logical investment to make.
I lvled BSM from 24 to 40 yesterday and will get 50 today to be able to HQ vanya silk without failure. -
11-05-2013, 02:38 AMYurikitty
Yeah I guess its comparable if you only get the NQ set. But I have all HQ with over melds, and let me tell you that its very superior to my DL stuff. Plus my head and body arent attached. I can get more out of two pieces over the DL cowl.
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11-05-2013, 02:39 AMCondottiero
The base stats STR DEX etc for Vanya HQ and DL are exactly the same (even def and magic def are the same), attaching materia can give you DL with +25 Crit attack on one piece.
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11-05-2013, 02:39 AMBufkus
I don't see how you can't see that an overmelded HQ Vanya set has better stats.
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11-05-2013, 02:40 AMufufu
If you get Vanya Robe + Vanya Hat, both HQ, then you're sitting at exactly the same main attribute as DL Cowls (+32). That allows you to get side stats via materia to really up your abilities (Det affects casting potency, Accuracy is important for Coil, Crit is always great, etc).
It depends on if that's worth it for you. It definitely is an upgrade over DL, but then when you're stockpiling Myths every week and running Coil, you might as well just wait for one of those two pieces to drop and then purchase the other with Myth, which would be even better over Vanya and DL, obviously. -
11-05-2013, 02:42 AMMolly_Millions
You need ACC for Coil, and you can get enough ACC from the vanya set but not from darklight. There is other gear you can use, but vanya is the best (if not most expensive) way to go.
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11-05-2013, 02:42 AMKyteStonesHonestly, I'm not big on crafting. I never have been in MMOs. So I make my money buy leve quests. I'm not loaded by any means. 3 mil gil is nothing in this game at this point with repair bills, teleportation fees, etc. I'f I'm going to spend the money, I was also trying to find a guide of what can be melded to it and what's a waste. As stated before, I don't want to buy the materia, see that the stat is already max, and have wasted a meld.Quote:
Originally Posted by Condottiero
I'm looking for advice/help. This post was none of that and i regret wasting the 3 seconds to read your reply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bufkus
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11-05-2013, 02:44 AMBufkusThere are guides out there for what the stat caps are, if that's all you're concerned about. Also, you must have some mad money making skills to be able to get 3 million gil without any crafting/gathering...Quote:
Originally Posted by KyteStones
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11-05-2013, 02:46 AMMolly_MillionsSell coke or potash. Once you get enough gil, you can also play the market. Buy low and sell high. Lastly, you can sell materia. No crafting or gathering needed. It's not that hard, but you have to be constantly watching prices of stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bufkus
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11-05-2013, 02:47 AMKyteStonesGoldsmith Level 20 Levequest making the HQ brass rings for GS spamming it over and over again 99 times makes me a decent living in the game. and selling all my Materia III I SB to my gear helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bufkus
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11-05-2013, 02:48 AMCondottiero
What else would you spend the gil on? Honestly, there's not much else if you're not into crafting right?
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11-05-2013, 02:50 AMKyteStonesTrying to save up for what I feel will be the ridiculous FC Housing prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Condottiero
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11-05-2013, 02:51 AMCondottiero
My logic 2 months ago: Okay I need a relic and sexy gear. Relic is 900 tomes and will allow me access to sexy content. Need that first. DL requires tomes: fook that. (You have 3 million, you can buy the materials for leves and lvl 6 crafts from 0-50 in probably 2 weeks playing casually). So I crafted my gear, got relic with tomes, went to T1 of the coil and got allagan body first time.
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11-05-2013, 02:56 AMPofoVanya is and always will be superior to Darklight.Quote:
Originally Posted by KyteStones
Darklight Robe of casting: VIT32 /INT33/ Accuracy43/ Spell Speed30
Vanya Robe of Casting (with the Proper meld): VIT+20/INT+20/Accuracy+27/Determination+13 --- Meld with Crit +27 / Determination +5 (Total 18 DET)
Vanya Hat of Casting (With the Proper Melds): VIT +12/INT+12/Crit +11/Determination+11 --- Meld with Accuracy +16 / Crit +5
Vanya Combo Totals: VIT+32/INT+32/Accuracy+43/Determination +29/Critical Hit Rate +43
For the loss of a single INT, you gain 29 Determination and 43 Critical Hit rate. That 29 DET far overpowers a single INT, let alone the crit rate is the main sell point alone even if it didn't have the Determination on it. -
11-05-2013, 02:57 AMKyteStonesSo far this is the most useful post. Thank you very much, this helps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pofo
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11-05-2013, 03:05 AMCondottiero
:( Go to DL lady, screen shot DL piece X, go to AH, screen shot Vanya HQ piece X. Melding multiple IV onto Vanya will run you an extra 150k/materia. Not counting the guy you have to pay to meld it. You could do all of this yourself though for less than a tenth of the cost in a relatively short amount of time and set yourself up for when the lvl cap is raised and all of this gear is worthless.
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11-05-2013, 03:07 AMPofoNp, after the head and the body the hands are the next biggest upgrade. Since the darklight Legs, Feet and Waist have crit rate on them already, I'd just stick with those DL pieces until Allagan. Realistically, you can meld any piece of vanya to exceed it's DL counterpart, but not all of them are as extreme of a difference as the Head/Body/Hands. The waist I think is 2 DET and 12 Acc over the Darklight, and the Legs you shouldn't even bother. The main reason for that is because it needs 18 Potash and 9 Animal fat to complete, and no matter how you spin it, Allagan will always be better. Since items bind to you and can no longer be sold, those 5 meld 5mil+ in value pants have the sad destiny of a Fire materia III. It's just not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KyteStones
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11-05-2013, 03:13 AMNukocafe
as a scholar I wouldn't go with the Vanya set anyway. I just wanted the robe but looking at stats of other items I'm mixing & matching things like Spruce Pattens and DL pants.
I think it's a good idea to check out what stats each gives and which one you feel is better for you. Obviously Mind and Piety are gonna be mostly the same but then you will have difference with things like Spell Speed, Determination and Critical. -
11-05-2013, 03:23 AMKyteStonesFor a BLM to notice any significant change to spell speed, we would have to dump everything we had into gear that has high spell speed and it's just not worth it. There's a google doc that shows it somewhere, I don't have it bookmarked on this pc. I'm gonna give Pofo's guide a shot and see where it lands me. :D Thanks for the replies everyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nukocafe
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11-05-2013, 03:26 AMTerius
As much as I would like to have a set, I'm just not gonna spend millions of gil on it. DL works fine and I'll let a bit of time pass as it'll all be Myth gear.
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11-05-2013, 03:27 AMRaminaxSlight correction. You can't resell ilvl70 crafted gear anymore, assuming you meant to use it and then put it up again on the Market Board. No matter the relation between item level and content level, you'll immediately have any equipped items bound to yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Condottiero
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11-05-2013, 03:30 AMIncatasi
The Vanya set is better than DL, but only just a slight margin.
So it's really up to you if you wanna drop that kind of cash on some gear you're only going to use to get to Myth/Alla gear, or save it for something down the road. Honestly, I'd just save it, the crafted gear is barely better than DL, you prolly wont even notice the difference. -
11-05-2013, 04:02 AMufufuFrankly, the Myth upgrades are better and far cheaper to get than Vanya.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nukocafe
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11-05-2013, 04:08 AMEvangela
even with 5 matarias, it's not as good as AF2 or Allagan.
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11-05-2013, 04:13 AMBufkusreally... you don't want the added crit you could get using vanya robe/hat and crit materia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Nukocafe
Sure, if you've been saving up myths for weeks. Otherwise no, vanya is cheaper to get. All you have to do is buy it or buy some materials and craft it yourself. For AF2 you have to farm 300 myths a week until you have enough (minimum 3 weeks for body or pants), and for allagans well you need to be geared to get into coil in the first place...Quote:
Frankly, the Myth upgrades are better and far cheaper to get than Vanya.
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11-05-2013, 04:19 AMBufkusI think that counts as crafting even if it's not endgame crafting... The materia is definitely a good money maker but I usually craft gear to spiritbond rather than buy it, I assume you did the same?Quote:
Originally Posted by KyteStones
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11-05-2013, 04:28 AMKyteStonesQuote:
Originally Posted by Bufkus
so far i have been. I only spam this one leve because its easy to hit HQ 99.9% of the time for me and the turn in is 3 times per 1 leve. I wouldn't go as far to say this is crafting. compared to my FC mates and others, this isn't crafting. It's not using a class properly IMO. But like I said, its easy and fast money I only have to do a 99 times a week (i only do it until all leves are gone then wait for restock) and it'll take me to 50 in no time to be able meld my jewelry and craft level 50 jewelry eventually. I SB Zircon choker/earrings/bracelet/ring over and over and over again for its the cheapest to obtain that is worth wearing in dungeons. considering Im just a level 40 GS. I spend 5K to buy the 4 piece of jewelry which i turn around and usually get savage might materia III out of it selling for 25K a piece, some savage aim materia III sometimes at 20K a piece. I make 75 to 100k every SB round I do, which i only do when myth tomes are reset on mondays. after I have all my AK or WP runs in, its back to crafting rings and doing the leve and such. -
11-05-2013, 04:48 AMNukocafeI actually plan to invest in having my friend craft me a rose gold circlet instead because its exactly like the vanya head but gives intelligence & determination rather than Piety which I don't need that much of as I'm not a white mage. Instead, I usually try to help with a bit of DPS when no one needs healing (since I'm a scholar).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bufkus
Also you're making the assumption I'm rich as hell and can afford to buy a bunch of level 3 materias to burn through trying to overmeld them :P
Also on my server I bought my Vanya robe for 275k.