Hildibrand for relic? Really?

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Originally Posted by MikkoAkure

I would like some transparency from them to see if there's a specific reason we wouldn't expect relic zones like the 2 previous expansions, but I think cost and overall negative reception to zones like the original Diadem, Eureka, and Bozja over the years can be to blame. I can't remember the Matsuno tweets specific words, but it seemed that Bozja was abruptly cut off from an order from above. The team who does the stuff like that seems to be working things like criterion dungeons and the new PotD that was teased anyhow and that could also be reasons for it.

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We do get a whole big island with Island Sanctuary and we will get a new Deep Dungeon. (And these new dungeon types too) I would take a guess and say that this might be the reason that we might not get new zones for the relic. Or maybe the new dungeon types are connected to the relics thus we do get new zones, just in a smaller dungeon type of way.

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I really dont get the "we wont get world building"...how do you know we dont? Just because there could be more humor in these quests (and we dont even know that) doesnt somehow mean that we also cant get information about the world too. Godbert himself is a well known Goldsmith and if those new dungeons are tied to it we will probably get new lore there too.

Can we just at least wait until we have done the content before we send it to hell? If you dont like doing Hildebrand then fine complain about that (its your right to do) but already putting the whole content down even though we barely knew anything about it? That feels like wanting to complain for the sake of it.

it's funny how most of the vitriol is coming from people who outright refused to do the quests and they act like this is the worst thing ever. meanwhile im sad we only have 1 Manderville quest in EW thus far, but it was so jampacked with over the top chaos that i loved every second of it.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

We do get a whole big island with Island Sanctuary and we will get a new Deep Dungeon. (And these new dungeon types too) I would take a guess and say that this might be the reason that we might not get new zones for the relic. Or maybe the new dungeon types are connected to the relics thus we do get new zones, just in a smaller dungeon type of way.

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I really dont get the "we wont get world building"...how do you know we dont? Just because there could be more humor in these quests (and we dont even know that) doesnt somehow mean that we also cant get information about the world too. Godbert himself is a well known Goldsmith and if those new dungeons are tied to it we will probably get new lore there too.

Can we just at least wait until we have done the content before we send it to hell? If you dont like doing Hildebrand then fine complain about that (its your right to do) but already putting the whole content down even though we barely knew anything about it? That feels like wanting to complain for the sake of it.

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honestly i am excited to see what kind of weapons we'll get inspired by manderville.

I've done all of the relic quests aside from ARR as it was too much of a grind for me when the game first started, eventually ill double back and finish my PLD relic. With that being said, most of the relic quests do involve the SIDE story of working with Gerolt to make the weapon and laughing at him but the MAIN story being told is always within the zones we got.

Eureka followed the Island of Val and finding out what happened to it, bozja we're helping fight the war and reclaim land. I can't remember what the old diadem was like anymore but even HW relic hardly takes up any comedic tones besides whatever interactions with Gerolt.

See the difference? The comedy and jokes and light hearted moments were saved for those small moments. The fear here is that by tying the relics to the gold saucer and Hildebrand, that the comedy and jokes will now become the central theme of everything involving the weapon. Hence why people think we'll be getting joke weapons.

Beyond that it is just in bad taste to force people to double back and complete quests they never wanted to do in the first place. I get that the dev team spent time and money making these quests and tried their best to meet fan demand by bringing Hilde back, but forcing people to do his stuff now is not the way to go. Especially when it culminates to "if you don't like it then skip it", I'm pretty sure no one on the dev team was working with that mindset in mind so I have to wonder why would they do this knowing the backlash they'd get. They were literally laughing when making the announcement, pretty clear to me they knew how reactions would turn out.

And with all of that out of the way I'll state my biased opinion which is: its crazy to me that people are complaining about Bozja and Eureka of all things, they're both (Bozja not so much) fun zones and provide you with a new style of game play. It's one of the few pieces of content that break off from the stale state that the game is in right now and it even provides you big gil payouts. From everyone I've ever helped through Eureka and Bozja, they've loved it. Personally it just sounds to me that the players who "didn't enjoy" Eureka/Bozja are just players that never actually tried to get through it because of how daunting it all seems. Try again, they're both very engaging and more fun than 80% of the content we have in the game.

emet? fascist?

Theoretically these could be the strongest weapons in history simply due to the best blacksmith and goldsmith coming together. If anything they will at least look better than the horrible looking Shadowbringer relics.

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Originally Posted by Dawn465

See the difference? The comedy and jokes and light hearted moments were saved for those small moments. The fear here is that by tying the relics to the gold saucer and Hildebrand, that the comedy and jokes will now become the central theme of everything involving the weapon. Hence why people think we'll be getting joke weapons.

Beyond that it is just in bad taste to force people to double back and complete quests they never wanted to do in the first place. I get that the dev team spent time and money making these quests and tried their best to meet fan demand by bringing Hilde back, but forcing people to do his stuff now is not the way to go. Especially when it culminates to "if you don't like it then skip it", I'm pretty sure no one on the dev team was working with that mindset in mind so I have to wonder why would they do this knowing the backlash they'd get. They were literally laughing when making the announcement, pretty clear to me they knew how reactions would turn out.

And with all of that out of the way I'll state my biased opinion which is: its crazy to me that people are complaining about Bozja and Eureka of all things, they're both (Bozja not so much) fun zones and provide you with a new style of game play. It's one of the few pieces of content that break off from the stale state that the game is in right now and it even provides you big gil payouts. From everyone I've ever helped through Eureka and Bozja, they've loved it. Personally it just sounds to me that the players who "didn't enjoy" Eureka/Bozja are just players that never actually tried to get through it because of how daunting it all seems. Try again, they're both very engaging and more fun than 80% of the content we have in the game.

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Why is it tied to the Gold Saucer? Just because Godbert will probably be in it? They could make joke weapons but they could also simply make another set of normal weapons too. Lets just wait until we see them and if they are then joke weapons one can still complain.

Maybe the story will be mostly serious with a bit of humor sprinkled in. We have no idea in this case and honestly should wait until we have done it. Then jugde it.

For Bozja you too were forced to do Ivalice. Group content with many cutscenes that some might not have wanted to do. At least with Hildebrand you can do it mostly alone (most of the trials there can be soloed) and can skip a huge amount of it. You cant skip the Ivalice raids if you want to do Bozja. You have to run the raids. Yet now its suddenly so bad?

Not only that but if you simply dislike Eureka (and Eureka was hated a lot on the forums in the past. It exploded when that content came out) then you are bascially out of luck with the whole relic questline. And with Bozja there seems to be a problem with people doing it later because certain instances are not done much often.

Maybe we finally get another relic quest that we can do with a whole variety of content and that might still be doable expansions down the line.

And about your point about liking the content: Sorry I have tried Eureka and hated it. Its an absolute boring grind which I never finished. Bozja was a bit better and I did finish one relic but I was quite happy to be done with it. (It also helped that you could get a lot of stuff outside of Bozja). People who like it have a huge amount of zones and grind to do it. Now it might be time for others to get their way of grinding. Not every expansion relic have to be Eureka or Bozja-like.

Oh i enjoy that greatly, as ive done all Quests long ago... Just as much as i like how the tataru stuff needs mhach xD

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Originally Posted by lunartears

why do people hate hildibrand? im just curious

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I just don't find humor based on stupidity funny.

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Originally Posted by Imora

I just don't find humor based on stupidity funny.

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and that's fair, but for people to say that this is dumb, or the worst thing ever because they are required to do side content to unlock the new relic weapon are just being whiny. they probably also whined about Bozja requiring the Ivalice raids because the idea of new content being tied to older content is just soooooo unacceptable.

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Originally Posted by Imora

I just don't find humor based on stupidity funny.

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That's most comedy, even if it's not slapstick.
You don't like comedy :(?

Anyways, I dunno why you'd HATE Hildibrand just because the comedy doesn't land with you tho.
Why does not being into something or someone needs to equivalate to '' HATE ''?
What happened to being indifferent?
Hate is a pretty strong and dramatic emotion.

Locking relics behind Hildibrand is better than locking the end of a sidequest series behind Baldesion Arsenal.

Wow, I thought it was a joke

BEcause it is funny and also they found a way to travel the rift.... it serves more than one thing.

I really enjoy weaving older optional content into newer optional content - it's a good way to make use of tons of older content built up over the years.

People run around in dungeons, trials, and raids in the dumbest glamour out there. I'm not a fan of it, but that's just the way it is. This isn't any less serious than that, so I don't see why people are upset now.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Why is it tied to the Gold Saucer? Just because Godbert will probably be in it? They could make joke weapons but they could also simply make another set of normal weapons too. Lets just wait until we see them and if they are then joke weapons one can still complain.

Maybe the story will be mostly serious with a bit of humor sprinkled in. We have no idea in this case and honestly should wait until we have done it. Then jugde it.

For Bozja you too were forced to do Ivalice. Group content with many cutscenes that some might not have wanted to do. At least with Hildebrand you can do it mostly alone (most of the trials there can be soloed) and can skip a huge amount of it. You cant skip the Ivalice raids if you want to do Bozja. You have to run the raids. Yet now its suddenly so bad?

Not only that but if you simply dislike Eureka (and Eureka was hated a lot on the forums in the past. It exploded when that content came out) then you are bascially out of luck with the whole relic questline. And with Bozja there seems to be a problem with people doing it later because certain instances are not done much often.

Maybe we finally get another relic quest that we can do with a whole variety of content and that might still be doable expansions down the line.

And about your point about liking the content: Sorry I have tried Eureka and hated it. Its an absolute boring grind which I never finished. Bozja was a bit better and I did finish one relic but I was quite happy to be done with it. (It also helped that you could get a lot of stuff outside of Bozja). People who like it have a huge amount of zones and grind to do it. Now it might be time for others to get their way of grinding. Not every expansion relic have to be Eureka or Bozja-like.

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The difference between Ivalice and Hildebrand is that those things actually matter to the MSQ as where Hildebrand doesn't. Its always been miscellaneous side content that doesn't have any bearing on the story, Ivalice and the raids could be looked at in the same function but at the very least they provide actual world building for the game that we're playing.

As to the Eureka/Bozja stuff, the old form of relic grind was no better. Being forced to go back and run old content over and over again was something many people complained about hence why they shifted it to the expedition content. At the very least that form of relic grind provided new content and new things to do, it wasn't even about the relic as there were several other things you could be doing between Eureka and Bozja. Now without that people are missing out on a huge chunk of content that we were all looking forward to.

Hell, they could have provided us with new expedition zones and tie the relic into that while still tying Hildebrand stuff into Gold Saucer content and no one would be upset. It's the fact that they're removing something serious and fun and placing priority on a joke.

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Originally Posted by Dawn465

The difference between Ivalice and Hildebrand is that those things actually matter to the MSQ as where Hildebrand doesn't.

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considering godbert is a member of ul'dahs ruling class and also the owner of the canonically relevant gold saucer it would be absolutely possible to tie in hildibrand with "relevant content" on the level of "if you decide to never do THIS relic chain than you won't know it happened but if you do here is some additional backstory on i dunno, the inner workings of ul'dah?" which is pretty much the same as every relic before it with the exception of shadowbringers.

Hildibrand isnt funny, and I might just skip doing relics entirely this time around. This is a huge turn off for someone that just wants to do battle content and skips most of the story/cutscenes.
God forbid this game have any challenge, complexity, or any sort of grind or time commitment in it anymore, apparently bozja and eureka were too hard for people.

Devs are now pushing out updates to every 4.5 months, forcing people to do old side quest content as 'busywork' by requiring everyone that wants a relic weapon to now go through it.
I dont care if i can skip the cutscenes, thats still hours of my time teleporting around and skipping cutscenes I shouldnt have to do. Disrespecting my time.

hildebrand is unfunny trash and a waste of my time

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Originally Posted by Sapphires

Hildibrand isnt funny, and I might just skip doing relics entirely this time around. This is a huge turn off for someone that just wants to do battle content and skips most of the story/cutscenes.
God forbid this game have any challenge, complexity, or any sort of grind or time commitment in it anymore, apparently bozja and eureka were too hard for people.

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what does tying it into hildibrand have to do with grinding bozja ? you think the relic won't have a grind ? or is it that it won't have a eureka/bozja grind, which is most likely correct, but also 100% independent of the fact it gets tied into hildibrand. if anything it will most likey have a tie in with the variant and/or criterion dungeons. heck, as long as say high level criterion dungeons would be a way to accelerate getting the relic compared to whatever the alternative is this would be the first time where the relic actually would reward challenging yourself, staying in bozja for hours was a lot of things but surely not challenging.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

as long as say high level criterion dungeons would be a way to accelerate getting the relic compared to whatever the alternative is this would be the first time where the relic actually would reward challenging yourself, staying in bozja for hours was a lot of things but surely not challenging.

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Speaking of making assumptions, how do you know the criterion EX dungeons will be difficult and not as grindy and boring as bozja? Is the difficulty for the EX version going to be Seat of Sacrifice EX hard or Ultima Unreal hard, mr. seer?

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Originally Posted by Sapphires

Hildibrand isnt funny, and I might just skip doing relics entirely this time around. This is a huge turn off for someone that just wants to do battle content and skips most of the story/cutscenes.
God forbid this game have any challenge, complexity, or any sort of grind or time commitment in it anymore, apparently bozja and eureka were too hard for people.

Devs are now pushing out updates to every 4.5 months, forcing people to do old side quest content as 'busywork' by requiring everyone that wants a relic weapon to now go through it.
I dont care if i can skip the cutscenes, thats still hours of my time teleporting around and skipping cutscenes I shouldnt have to do. Disrespecting my time.

hildebrand is unfunny trash and a waste of my time

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Complains the game isn't challenging and has no grinds (which the later is objectively false) yet disregards the actual challenging content that was JUST talked about. Also no challenge, I take it you just sweep through Savage, Unreal and Ultimate yes? Cause if not then that point of yours hold no merit.

Hildy has been around for years and god forbid they bring old content to relevancy (like many have been asking) in an interesting way (imo ofc). We dont even know much about what this will entail yet yall still have pitchforks out. Also you're ALWAYS teleporting around in xiv so how tf is that NOW an issue? You want grinds yet have issues spending time doing quests. Which is it? And sorry but who is making you do anything? You have the choice and the freedom to either do the content or don't. And for Bozja to just be "to hard" I wonder why there's pretty much always people in there doing stuff.

I'm telling you the OF is just Twitter 2.0 at this point

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

what does tying it into hildibrand have to do with grinding bozja ? you think the relic won't have a grind ? or is it that it won't have a eureka/bozja grind, which is most likely correct, but also 100% independent of the fact it gets tied into hildibrand. if anything it will most likey have a tie in with the variant and/or criterion dungeons. heck, as long as say high level criterion dungeons would be a way to accelerate getting the relic compared to whatever the alternative is this would be the first time where the relic actually would reward challenging yourself, staying in bozja for hours was a lot of things but surely not challenging.

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yeah i dont understand the mentality at all. they will happily spend hours/days/weeks grinding more materials, but spending a couple hours on a side story questline is apparently too hard. let's face it, they are just complaining for the sake of doing so, but at the end of the day they will swallow their pride and do the content anyways because they see a shiny weapon for a job they like.

Comedy is subjective

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Originally Posted by myahele

Comedy is subjective

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But MMO whales last forever~!*


*may not last forever

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Speaking of making assumptions, how do you know the criterion EX dungeons will be difficult and not as grindy and boring as bozja? Is the difficulty for the EX version going to be Seat of Sacrifice EX hard or Ultima Unreal hard, mr. seer?

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where did i talke about "the ex version" of criterion dungeons ? i might aswell have meant the "savage" one. the fact that the devs might mess up the balancing doesn't change that their stated intent is to offer hard content, as in actually challenging, which bozja surely isn't and you can't tell me with a straight face that anyone would think bozja was "designed to be hard".

also the poster i replied to was complaining that "obviously bozja was too hard for people" (so square was now making it easier). even if criterion dungeons would somehow end up on the level of bozja my main point (that tying it into hildibrand does in no way mean the relic will be easier this time around, or that they couldn't have tied hildibrand in with something "like bozja" if so desired) still stands, "no bozja 2.0" and "relic tied into hildibrand quests" are two completly unrelated things, if square wanted to give us "bozja 2.0" for the relic they could have easily tied that into a hildibrand questline.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

where did i talke about "the ex version" of criterion dungeons ? i might aswell have meant the "savage" one. the fact that the devs might mess up the balancing doesn't change that their stated intent is to offer hard content, as in actually challenging, which bozja surely isn't and you can't tell me with a straight face that anyone would think bozja was "designed to be hard".

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And are you going to tell me with a straight face that the current devs will make something so challenging to the point it scares the money away? Call it whatever you want, I call it a noticing a basic patter here, lol.

I'm just going to leave this here:

I liked being able to do relic quests while those who enjoyed Hildibrand got to have their questline and I could ignore it. I don't understand why you're forcing me to do both.

I don't find his content funny and no I don't think its fair to say "skip the cutscenes if you don't like it" when to be completely honest, they shouldn't have been combined to begin with. I get wanting people to try out his questline, but those who wanted to HAVE.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

And are you going to tell me with a straight face that the current devs will make something so challenging to the point it scares the money away? Call it whatever you want, I call it a noticing a basic patter here, lol.

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I mean...there's different modes of varying difficulty for a reason...casual players probably won't be doing the savage version, same with Delu Savage.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

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never said anything like that ? 100% sure that if it gets tied into variant dungeons at all than doing the criterion savage version will not be a requirement.

there is however a big difference between making it a requirement and "letting the criterion savage version drop 2-3 times the necessary loot compared to running a normal variant dungeon", the whole argument was:

the other poster -> "they tied it into hildibrand instead of something interesting like bozja, obviously people found bozja to hard lol"
me -> we don't even know with what content they will actually tie in the relic this time, but whatever content they chose is independent of the fact they tied hildibrand into the relic quest chain. Also IF they go with "high level" Criterion dungeons being faster than whatever the alternative is than square would actually reward challenging yourself which bozja did not do as it wasn't even designed to be hard",

and than you jumping in calling me a hypocrite for "making assumptions" so yea, stop twisting my words.

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Originally Posted by Akiudo

never said anything like that ? 100% sure that if it gets tied into variant dungeons at all than doing the criterion savage version will not be a requirement.

there is however a big difference between making it a requirement and "letting the criterion savage version drop 2-3 times the necessary loot compared to running a normal variant dungeon" the whole argument was

the other poster -> "they tied it into hildibrand instead of something interesting like bozja, obviously people found bozja to hard lol"
me -> we don't even know with what content they will actually tie in the relic this time, but whatever content they chose is independent of the fact they tied hildibrand into the relic quest chain. Also IF they go with "high level" Criterion dungeons being faster than whatever the alternative is than square would actually reward challenging yourself which bozja did not do as it wasn't even designed to be hard",

and than you jumping in calling me a hypocrite for "making assumptions" so yea, stop twisting my words.

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Doesn't bozja have solo engagements that some would argue are more difficult than some EX mechanics... lol
That said I would hope Criterion would be that difficult but I seriously doubt that considering the direction the devs have taken this game.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Doesn't bozja have solo engagements that some would argue are more difficult than some EX mechanics... lol

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is doing the solo engagement some hard requirement for getting the relic ? or even speeding it up by a noticable degree ? pretty sure no one signed up for bozja just waiting to get a chance at a solo engagement cause THAT was the content that was gonna push their relic progress through the roof.

say for simplicities sake relic truly was done completly through variant/criterion dungeons. if an average criterion (savage) run took twice as long as an average "variant dungeon" run but rewarded 3-4 times the loot
than actively opting for the more challenging content would reward you with faster completion assuming you can actually pull it off, i.e. it would reward challenging yourself instead of just going through the motions falling asleep.

now bozja on the other hand you didn't have this in that form, you couldn't sign up for "bozja savage" and got more loot or something like that, hard content (solo engagements) popped up from time to time, if you got chosen and could do them you would be rewarded, but that wasn't really an active choice you could just make and in that regard wasn't really speeding up your progress to a meaningfull degree either, bozja had "hard moments" if you choose to participate in them, but they weren't a factor you truly had (or even could) considerered concerning your relic progress.

and again, this is a giant if anyways, maybe none of this happens, and that will be perfectly fine. but arguing that they tied the relic quest to hildibrand "to make it easier" compared to having us grind another bozja is either ignorant or plain dishonest. these things are completly unrelated and square is perfectly capable to tie the relic into hildibrand and make us run glorified fates in a new zone if they are so inclined, that is what the original argument was about. the following "if criterion dungeons are the fastest way to get the relic than square would actually reward players for challenging themselves" was just a possible way how it could be handled and of course assumes that this will be the hardest "light party" content square offers because that's literally what it's advertised at, you having lost faith in square doesn't change the design intent even if it should turn out to fall short of expectations.

Just going to get my take out there, I do not enjoy the complete randomness of Hildy in the slightest, But I love the grind of relic weapons. In fact I would even say its my most looked forward to part of the game. Making my relic quests a joke instead of the more serious aspects sours the entire content update for me to the point I am currently debating if I should continue the game for the next year or not. I understand that the new content looks fantastic but my whole thing has almost always been the relic grind. YES I REALLY DO LIKE MY RELICS THAT MUCH! I refined souls or crystallized essence to make a powerful weapon (and made a kettle at the END), I created a soul, I found out what happened to the Baldesion, I fought in a War, and now I get to... do something with a crazy person... joy.

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Originally Posted by Yourdooooom

Just going to get my take out there, I do not enjoy the complete randomness of Hildy in the slightest, But I love the grind of relic weapons. In fact I would even say its my most looked forward to part of the game. Making my relic quests a joke instead of the more serious aspects sours the entire content update for me to the point I am currently debating if I should continue the game for the next year or not. I understand that the new content looks fantastic but my whole thing has almost always been the relic grind. YES I REALLY DO LIKE MY RELICS THAT MUCH! I refined souls or crystallized essence to make a powerful weapon (and made a kettle at the END), I created a soul, I found out what happened to the Baldesion, I fought in a War, and now I get to... do something with a crazy person... joy.

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That crazy person has always been Gerolt. Have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Not sure whether they were being actually serious about this or not, but either way it's bad form to require such an absurdly long questline to be completed before we can do this expansion’s relic. I don’t even think Ivalice is as time consuming, and at least acts as a skill check on the playerbase.

Just why?

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Because it make lazy player complains.

Long quest line? lol you have any idea how long is it to grind your relic? getouttahere

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

That's most comedy, even if it's not slapstick.
You don't like comedy :(?

Anyways, I dunno why you'd HATE Hildibrand just because the comedy doesn't land with you tho.
Why does not being into something or someone needs to equivalate to '' HATE ''?
What happened to being indifferent?
Hate is a pretty strong and dramatic emotion.

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This post is an object lesson in setting up a strawman, and then trying to tell somehow how they should think or feel.

They're not indifferent to it because they dislike it - they responded to a post using the word 'hate', so ask the person who used that word why they didn't say "dislike" instead - though who even cares? This line of enquiry reads more like an interrogation and pedantry over the use of a word.

Idk, can we not be happy they are trying something different? I personally miss Hildy. I see players complain they are homogenizing the game but they don't want to let them try anything different when they do. Can we pick a lane?

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Originally Posted by Zaredth

Idk, can we not be happy they are trying something different? I personally miss Hildy. I see players complain they are homogenizing the game but they don't want to let them try anything different when they do. Can we pick a lane?

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No, we can't

We complain about a stale and rigid formula, wherein the developers are too afraid to bother deviating from the said content formula. When they elect to deviate from it and try something different. We then subsequently complain and throw our toys out of the pram because it cost us a dungeon or an exploration zone for them to deviate.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

This post is an object lesson in setting up a strawman, and then trying to tell somehow how they should think or feel.

They're not indifferent to it because they dislike it - they responded to a post using the word 'hate', so ask the person who used that word why they didn't say "dislike" instead - though who even cares? This line of enquiry reads more like an interrogation and pedantry over the use of a word.

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How is it a strawman rofl?
I never told someone what they should feel please drop the victim mentality for once.

I obviously don't literally believe that the person I was responding to doesn't like comedy.
Most comedy tho does revolve around stupidity one way or the other, most comedy comes from pointing out dumb things or silly things.
I was jokingly making a comment about that in jest.
The Hildibrand comedy is just more overt and slapsticky about it.
It's fine to not like it I never said that it wasn't, then again people think that Yoshi-P making a joke about the glam system is him mocking the playerbase out of spite...
It can't be helped if people want to victimize themselves about everything I guess, but I don't believe everyone should have to walk on egg shells all the time because there's people who look for every excuse to be a victim.

It's fair enough that maybe the person I responded to might not HATE the storyline, but that would be the implication based on the question they responded to and without prefacing that they don't actually hate it '' but ''.
If I am referencing what someone else said that another person responded to then I am typically including that previous comment too even if I don't always quote both.
And I often speak in generalities too, there is a trend in this thread that people think that Hildibrand is too comedic for the relic weapon storyline and especially that they're upset because they don't like the comedy.
Lunartears and Imora both made two comments about this and I chose to respond to Imora, it's nothing personal.

I dunno what the point of asking Lunartears about it either would be because Lunartears never said that they hate it, they were asking why others do and Imora responded and I chose to use that as an example to respond to.
You really love to throw labels and terms out to overdramatize everything constantly out of fairly harmless conversations.
It's not pedantry when people are very heated and upset about harmless things or because they don't like this particular style of relic weapon questline.
There is a very obvious and clear difference between someone who is being indifferent or simply don't like something and someone that HATES it, '' hate '' is a very strong emotion and I think it loads it in a very different way and you can clearly see that both in this thread as well as others and how it affects and derails discussions.

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