How is anyone fine with the 4-month patch delivery schedule?

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

all playstyles are given adequate time to finish things and not feel rushed

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That might be a side effect, but their real intention is to keep players subscribed as long as possible. We aren't at WoW levels of time gating, but that's exactly what it is. Time gating.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

So you'd rather go to WoW route and do the same daily for 12 months? The content they release in FFXIV is fine.

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Did I say that? How wow is even relevant? Do things that last longer and fun. New pvp is this, but we need to see how fast they will upgrade the loot you can get. They can make something like a boss rush mode that is random. The longer you go the more you get. Lots of things they can but do not.hell they can add a good minion game or card game.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

What are players who aren't going to do Ultimate do for four months in 6.1?
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Congratulations that's all you have for 4 months. $60 in subscription fees. That's even less than what you get from the typical AAA single player title.

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Yoshida "It's alright not to play it everyday. Since it's just a game, you can stop forcing yourself if it's hard on you to keep that up. Rather, it'll just pile up unnecessary stress if you limit yourself into playing just that one game since there are so many other games out there. So, do come back and play it to your heart's content when the major patch kicks in, then stop it to play other games before you got burnt out, and then come back for another major patch. This will actually make me happier, and in the end, I think this is the best solution I can answer for keeping your motivation up for the game."

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Originally Posted by Theodric

...and yet the upcoming mini patch is adding custom deliveries and beast tribe quests. The former of which is a weekly task and the latter of which is a daily task.

I'm by no means a fan of the direction WoW has since gone in, though it didn't always lean heavily on busywork and it has at least consistently kept an open world intact in order to encourage exploration.

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Which is only one facet of the updates this game gets over the course of each patch. WoW literally only gives you that one patch of content and does nothing for 12 months.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Which is only one facet of the updates this game gets over the course of each patch. WoW literally only gives you that one patch of content and does nothing for 12 months.

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FF14 is an MMO. One time quests or content is fine but it just adds nothing to the mid/long term experience most MMO players are looking for. I wouldn't mind if the game was F2P, really. But with this horrible housing system, that forces you to keep paying, it'd be nice to have something to do on top of it, not just afk for 3.5 months waiting for the next content ( which will be really cool, I can't wait for 6.2 with new raid, relic weapon, criterion and new trial serie).
I don't understand, for example, why we can't start working on relic weapon in x.1 patches. Or you know, allow us to farm the new alliance raid to gear our other jobs. The 590 gear lock is just absurd when we're all aiming for ilvl 600.
It would, for sure, keep many of us busy while waiting.

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Originally Posted by AmpelioB

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Yoshida "It's alright not to play it everyday. Since it's just a game, you can stop forcing yourself if it's hard on you to keep that up. Rather, it'll just pile up unnecessary stress if you limit yourself into playing just that one game since there are so many other games out there. So, do come back and play it to your heart's content when the major patch kicks in, then stop it to play other games before you got burnt out, and then come back for another major patch. This will actually make me happier, and in the end, I think this is the best solution I can answer for keeping your motivation up for the game."

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*own a virtual house*
It sure feels nice to not have to play everyday but pay for my subscription so I don't lose said house. T-Thanks SE.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

*own a virtual house*
It sure feels nice to not have to play everyday but pay for my subscription so I don't lose said house. T-Thanks SE.

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Yeah I hate that, and they said they would not implement a system to demolish houses for unsubbing. But then they allowing single player housing and demand went up and as usual the casual RP NA players ruin it for every one.

Anyway I am fine the patch cycle just not with the content, it has no longevity and can be typically done with in a day or two, even the savage patches if you have a static and put in the time you can clear it in a day or two. I gets old every expansion to play like a month into the expansion launch, and quit until a month before the new expansion. A LARGE portion of the player base does this.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

take Yoshi's advice and turn to a different game for now. You won't miss anything.

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Honestly people throw this quote around so much. It is a game directors response to there is not enough content in your game to make me want to play it. And they say it's fine stop playing. They don't ask for feed back for better content, what the player may feel is missing, they say go head quit we don't care you will come back at another patch. People praise this, and although I can agree, if you aren't enjoying a game take a break, but a game director saying this IMO comes off as lazy. Then again when you tell people to take a break but force them into subbing to keep a house it doesn't matter to you if they are playing you are still collecting money.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

*own a virtual house*

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that's your own personal problem, you felt for their scheme.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

That might be a side effect, but their real intention is to keep players subscribed as long as possible. We aren't at WoW levels of time gating, but that's exactly what it is. Time gating.

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erm, am i the only one who remembers that Yoshi-P explicitly told the community to take breaks from the game to avoid burnout? They have never built the game around the idea of *always* having something to do. they actively encourage players to play other games between patches

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

erm, am i the only one who remembers that Yoshi-P explicitly told the community to take breaks from the game to avoid burnout? They have never built the game around the idea of *always* having something to do. they actively encourage players to play other games between patches

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They should remove the sub then and make the game buy to play. There is no real purpose in it. It would be more consumer friendly.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

They should remove the sub then and make the game buy to play. There is no real purpose in it. It would be more consumer friendly.

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sure, if you want Square Enix to add MTX into the game itself as the primary source of income, instead of just having a cash shop that has no connection to the game itself and a subscription based service.

It's almost like you've never seen how bad MTX is in MMOs that are buy to play.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

sure, if you want Square Enix to add MTX into the game itself as the primary source of income, instead of just having a cash shop that has no connection to the game itself and a subscription based service.

It's almost like you've never seen how bad MTX is in MMOs that are buy to play.

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Don't like it don't buy it.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Don't like it don't buy it.

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i hope you understand the irony when i tell you the same thing.

If you don't like having to buy a sub, then don't. go play something else and quit trying to ruin the game for everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

i hope you understand the irony when i tell you the same thing.

If you don't like having to buy a sub, then don't. go play something else and quit trying to ruin the game for everyone else.

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Exactly how is anyone trying to ruin the game? Just because some people are satisfied with no lasting content, no quality content, little to no rewards to work towards, etc. in the game? There is nothing there to ruin in the first place, since nothing is being released.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

No it doesn't. Just because the game doesn't give the kind of content YOU want doesn't mean there's no content. You don't need to log in every single day, take breaks, go play something else, but at the end of the day other MMO's I play go a year or more with ZERO content. This game comes out with a major patch every 4 months. The problem is you, not the game.

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You keep insisting this yet I've already listed what the current patch has to offer and that I, specifically, have already done everything. For the sake of review, we have:

MSQ
Endsinger
Unreal
Agiaga
Role Quests
Crafting
PvP

Of those six things listed, I have completed every single one except PvP over just a two week span. And I'm only not done with PvP because I didn't initially bother with it but have since given it a whirl. I didn't rush through the content. None of it has any staying power except PvP as it's all primarily one and done. Endsinger's only longevity comes from if you care to farm her mount. Everything else is weekly restricted and/or over within an hour or two. So what exactly is this content I don't want to do? 6.15 isn't offering a bevy of longevity either. Like I said previously, it's several one and done quest chains. I have no doubt some will be cool, especially hildibrand, but they're over within the hour.

Before you mention jobs previous things like jobs. I have nearly every job leveled to 90. I've only held back on some so I have something to level when Deep Dungeon drops. I have every Crafter and Gather max and fully pentamelded. With the new gear to boot. I've done the role quests. I've done a good portion of the side quests. I have both Hydaelyn and Zodiark's mounts. In fact, I spammed the later nearly 100 times. I've BiS all my tanks, DRG, SMN and am only missing the weapon on RPR and RDM. And all this while taking that break to play other games. So no, I'm not 24/7-ing FFXIV. Nor am I opting not to do content that isn't available. Outside DRU, which I'm currently progging, there isn't anything to do unless you consider grinding 10,000 FATEs for the achievement good content.

And it isn't like I'm expecting something new to do daily. I'd be fine with some meaningful grinds to keep me occupied. How about the relic? Why are we waiting an entire year for one of the few pieces of longevity content to be released? If it came out earlier, that would help satiate a lot of players. I'll go one better and say let the damn thing equal the Savage weapons. Make the steps worthwhile to do. "The raiders will complain!" Very few give a damn at this point. I cleared P4S week two and couldn't give a hoot if week 400, the relic matches my weapon. Just make it something decent and fun to do and not a free poetic dump.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

You keep insisting this yet I've already listed what the current patch has to offer and that I, specifically, have already done everything. For the sake of review, we have:

MSQ
Endsinger
Unreal
Agiaga
Role Quests
Crafting
PvP

Of those six things listed, I have completed every single one except PvP over just a two week span. And I'm only not done with PvP because I didn't initially bother with it but have since given it a whirl. I didn't rush through the content. None of it has any staying power except PvP as it's all primarily one and done. Endsinger's only longevity comes from if you care to farm her mount. Everything else is weekly restricted and/or over within an hour or two. So what exactly is this content I don't want to do? 6.15 isn't offering a bevy of longevity either. Like I said previously, it's several one and done quest chains. I have no doubt some will be cool, especially hildibrand, but they're over within the hour.

Before you mention jobs previous things like jobs. I have nearly every job leveled to 90. I've only held back on some so I have something to level when Deep Dungeon drops. I have every Crafter and Gather max and fully pentamelded. With the new gear to boot. I've done the role quests. I've done a good portion of the side quests. I have both Hydaelyn and Zodiark's mounts. In fact, I spammed the later nearly 100 times. I've BiS all my tanks, DRG, SMN and am only missing the weapon on RPR and RDM. And all this while taking that break to play other games. So no, I'm not 24/7-ing FFXIV. Nor am I opting not to do content that isn't available. Outside DRU, which I'm currently progging, there isn't anything to do unless you consider grinding 10,000 FATEs for the achievement good content.

And it isn't like I'm expecting something new to do daily. I'd be fine with some meaningful grinds to keep me occupied. How about the relic? Why are we waiting an entire year for one of the few pieces of longevity content to be released? If it came out earlier, that would help satiate a lot of players. I'll go one better and say let the damn thing equal the Savage weapons. Make the steps worthwhile to do. "The raiders will complain!" Very few give a damn at this point. I cleared P4S week two and couldn't give a hoot if week 400, the relic matches my weapon. Just make it something decent and fun to do and not a free poetic dump.

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It sounds like you should take a break from the game, in my honest opinion.
Relic always come up on late patch 6.25, go live your life pal.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Exactly how is anyone trying to ruin the game? Just because some people are satisfied with no lasting content, no quality content, little to no rewards to work towards, etc. in the game? There is nothing there to ruin in the first place, since nothing is being released.

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*points to the hundreds of achievements and titles and other items locked behind them*
Nothing to work towards...right.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

*points to the hundreds of achievements and titles and other items locked behind them*
Nothing to work towards...right.

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Wait?! You are telling me I can do 10,000 dungeons and get 20 achievement points. Heck yeah! Take my money now SE!

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Exactly how is anyone trying to ruin the game? Just because some people are satisfied with no lasting content, no quality content, little to no rewards to work towards, etc. in the game? There is nothing there to ruin in the first place, since nothing is being released.

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we have plenty of content. they just don't make content that forces you to participate for the entire 4 months between patches. so sorry that, that doesn't adhere to your standards of what an MMO should do, but the majority of players are fine with it.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

we have plenty of content. they just don't make content that forces you to participate for the entire 4 months between patches. so sorry that, that doesn't adhere to your standards of what an MMO should do, but the majority of players are fine with it.

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Clearly the standards for an MMO, to many in the FFXIV community, is nothing.

Did the last ultimate already get beaten ? Because there is so much people here saying that nothing is being released and that they have nothing to do anymore...

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Originally Posted by Kleeya

Did the last ultimate already get beaten ? Because there is so much people here saying that nothing is being released and that they have nothing to do anymore...

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nope close to the end tho
might see one group clearing at night or tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Clearly the standards for an MMO, to many in the FFXIV community, is nothing.

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right because having content that is timegated behind 4 months of downtime between patches is SO MUCH FUN. go play WoW if you want to be forced to get on every day just to remain relevant

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

right because having content that is timegated behind 4 months of downtime between patches is SO MUCH FUN. go play WoW if you want to be forced to get on every day just to remain relevant

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How's that new hrothgar hair working out for you? I see you don't seem to be using it. Odd.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

i hope you understand the irony when i tell you the same thing.

If you don't like having to buy a sub, then don't. go play something else and quit trying to ruin the game for everyone else.

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They're a troll, do not feed it. Just put them on ignore and go on with your day, else you'll go insane.

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Originally Posted by AmpelioB

It sounds like you should take a break from the game, in my honest opinion.
Relic always come up on late patch 6.25, go live your life pal.

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... I just said I already did in that very post. I've been playing other games. Everything I listed simply has no longevity except PvP. It took all of a half hour or so to gather and craft the new gear, for example. And bam, my crafting is done until 6.2 outside of selling stuff. Endsinger was dead in a lockout; Agiage within 40 minutes. At this point, if it weren't for DRU prog, I'd be taking a break until 6.15, which is over a month away because there's literally nothing to do besides PvP. Which, admittedly, is pretty decent, I'll grant them.

I "live my life" just fine, thanks.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

They're a troll, do not feed it. Just put them on ignore and go on with your day, else you'll go insane.

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Oh, yes! I'm a troll! Of course! That is sarcasm, by the way.

When I put a well thought out post, making a suggestion for feedback, I get little to no replies discussing the content of my post, no I get told it's "unhealthy" to play one game. I even made a point to speak against predatory retention practices, but I suppose nobody actually read my post to begin with..

No, no, we should be happy! You want the reality? We are not the ones "ruining" this game.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

How's that new hrothgar hair working out for you? I see you don't seem to be using it. Odd.

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shows what you know. i can switch between the racial hairstyles available for this particular face at the Aesthetician, and i did just that to switch to a hairstyle that has less clipping.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

I "live my life" just fine, thanks.

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you play this game since 2013 (perhaps even more) looking for stuff to do every single day to the point that you count the exact time you spend on them. how. very. odd.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

How's that new hrothgar hair working out for you? I see you don't seem to be using it. Odd.

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Might be the only good point you've made so far.
i wish people were angrier about how terrible the new Hrothgar Hairstyles are.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

shows what you know. i can switch between the racial hairstyles available for this particular face at the Aesthetician, and i did just that to switch to a hairstyle that has less clipping.

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Oh, so you like the new hrothgar hairs then?

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Originally Posted by RedHairedZander

Might be the only good point you've made so far.
i wish people were angrier about how terrible the new Hrothgar Hairstyles are.

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Terrible? What do you mean?

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Originally Posted by RedHairedZander

Might be the only good point you've made so far.
i wish people were angrier about how terrible the new Hrothgar Hairstyles are.

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have you somehow missed the 2 threads complaining about it with hundreds of pages?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Oh, so you like the new hrothgar hairs then?

Terrible? What do you mean?

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funny how when you dont actually have anything to say to respond to the actual topic of this thread, you throw that in my face in an attempt to.. what exactly? to scare me into being quiet? lmfao

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

funny how when you dont actually have anything to say to respond to the actual topic of this thread

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

(..) but I suppose nobody actually read my post to begin with

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Again.....

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

(...) I want there to be lasting content with a nice reward structure that can keep me wanting to stay subbed between patches, beyond keeping my house or posting on the forums. Literally, something as little as the game having more quality glamours, mounts, or general collectibles - like for the adventure plate. Just having something to work towards would go a long way to helping alleviate this issue. Things could be added to more achievements for example. (...)

(...) I do not believe a game like this needs to become predatory for player retention, and often times that has the opposite effect.



I don't think a player should have to play another game. (...) I even made it a point to explain that it doesn't need to be predatory. I gave examples of collectibles, as somebody can do that at their own leisure. I think having more reasons to want to stay subbed, and playing during patch lulls would be a step in the right direction for this game.

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Originally Posted by AmpelioB

that's your own personal problem, you felt for their scheme.

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First of all, it's "fell." Not necessarily trying to be a grammar nazi, but the phrase is entirely different if you interchange the words, and, in case English isn't your first language, it would be better not to keep the confusion going.
Secondly, why are you ok with a "scheme" in the first place? For a b2p game that forces a subscription payment system as well? That makes it sound like you want predatory practices.

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erm, am i the only one who remembers that Yoshi-P explicitly told the community to take breaks from the game to avoid burnout?

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This isn't about burnout, the issue is that the content doesn't last.
Also, see above.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

What are players who aren't going to do Ultimate do for four months in 6.1?

1. Do the alliance raid, which probably takes 1-2 hours to complete on day 1.

2. Do the Tataru and Hildebrand quests which take 2 hours judging by previous instances.

3. Do the new extreme trial which takes like 2-4 hours to clear.

4. Waste 5 mins every day on beast tribes, and waste 3 mins every week on custom delivery.

Congratulations that's all you have for 4 months. $60 in subscription fees. That's even less than what you get from the typical AAA single player title.

With this little content they should be accelerating patch delivery, not slowing it down.

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tbh i haven't really paid attention to the rate which they delivered patches. to me its ok for now but i'm also a very casual player and i unsub when i finish what a patch has to offer.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

we have plenty of content. they just don't make content that forces you to participate for the entire 4 months between patches. so sorry that, that doesn't adhere to your standards of what an MMO should do, but the majority of players are fine with it.

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The majority of Hrothgar players is NOT okay with the new hairstyles and considers the ability to only be able to change to the hairstyle that shares our face low-effort and the bare minimum. It's clear that you yourself are alright with it, but just like how you're accusing others of not being fine with the game, you yourself are among the minority that's alright with what we got. You're the one who chooses to settle for less.

Maybe a bit of a horizontal progress would help the game, but it might be to late for that at this point. The game suffers from the idea that content dies so incredibly fast. And honestly who could be blamed, who wants to run Eden now? Omega? Alexander? etc

SE needs to get their adventure maps out faster, they can help the content draught we suffer at time. Eureka and Bozja kept players busy and offered a grind to those that wanted to do it.

If those were dished out at 6.1 it would defiantly help ... 6.1 at this point is gonna be really ... stale and long.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

You keep insisting this yet I've already listed what the current patch has to offer and that I, specifically, have already done everything. For the sake of review, we have:

MSQ
Endsinger
Unreal
Agiaga
Role Quests
Crafting
PvP

Of those six things listed, I have completed every single one except PvP over just a two week span. And I'm only not done with PvP because I didn't initially bother with it but have since given it a whirl. I didn't rush through the content. None of it has any staying power except PvP as it's all primarily one and done. Endsinger's only longevity comes from if you care to farm her mount. Everything else is weekly restricted and/or over within an hour or two. So what exactly is this content I don't want to do? 6.15 isn't offering a bevy of longevity either. Like I said previously, it's several one and done quest chains. I have no doubt some will be cool, especially hildibrand, but they're over within the hour.

Before you mention jobs previous things like jobs. I have nearly every job leveled to 90. I've only held back on some so I have something to level when Deep Dungeon drops. I have every Crafter and Gather max and fully pentamelded. With the new gear to boot. I've done the role quests. I've done a good portion of the side quests. I have both Hydaelyn and Zodiark's mounts. In fact, I spammed the later nearly 100 times. I've BiS all my tanks, DRG, SMN and am only missing the weapon on RPR and RDM. And all this while taking that break to play other games. So no, I'm not 24/7-ing FFXIV. Nor am I opting not to do content that isn't available. Outside DRU, which I'm currently progging, there isn't anything to do unless you consider grinding 10,000 FATEs for the achievement good content.

And it isn't like I'm expecting something new to do daily. I'd be fine with some meaningful grinds to keep me occupied. How about the relic? Why are we waiting an entire year for one of the few pieces of longevity content to be released? If it came out earlier, that would help satiate a lot of players. I'll go one better and say let the damn thing equal the Savage weapons. Make the steps worthwhile to do. "The raiders will complain!" Very few give a damn at this point. I cleared P4S week two and couldn't give a hoot if week 400, the relic matches my weapon. Just make it something decent and fun to do and not a free poetic dump.

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Sounds like a you problem and you should quit the game. You'd be doing us a favor.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Sounds like a you problem and you should quit the game. You'd be doing us a favor.

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How would them quitting be doing everyone a favor?