The great streamer Asmongold is joining FFXIV

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Or a bit of both. Which would be preferable. The more toxic ones that are actually harassing will get banned, where the more blunt ones will stay and scare off the sensitive ones which would be a good trade-off.

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Or they can do their job to the fullest extent and hammer down on people that are outright toxic and those that like to mask their toxicity behind the masquerading of being helpful.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Not sure how else to make it more clear....He's just another gamer, he's not special.
I dont care about his money or whatever Achievements he apparently has, or any amount of fame/notoriety he has. None of it means anything to me, but you love to tell me about it like it should mean something to me. You for some reason want me to be Jealous of another Gamer....I just dont get it lol.

He's gonna try the game after all he has said about it...cool, neat. Moving on with life. Like many others Im curious to see if he likes it and how far he will go....all of that said, its still nothing special that he is playing the game. He himself has said "Its just a Videogame" Even Asmon doesn't think its that big a deal, but other people want to make it a big deal.
Kinda Crazy.


Btw no..Jeff Bezos isn't special, he's just a business man doing business.
Never heard of Michio Kaku, but if he is a Scientist, that to me is more special then a Gamer.

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Yup, the jealousy is clear in you. You want trivialize others achievements so that you don't' feel bad about yourself. And of course you didn't hear about Michio Kaku. You're busy drowning in jealousy and self-pity rofl!

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Or they can do their job to the fullest extent and hammer down on people that are outright toxic and those that like to mask their toxicity behind the masquerading of being helpful.

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Except the latter hardly ever happens lol. Especially in the case of “casual toxicity.”

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Except the latter hardly ever happens lol. Especially in the case of “casual toxicity.”

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That wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list, simply an example; one of many things that would encompass passive-aggressiveness or bluntness for that matter.

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Originally Posted by WoW

Yup, the jealousy is clear in you. You want trivialize others achievements so that you don't' feel bad about yourself. And of course you didn't hear about Michio Kaku. You're busy drowning in jealousy and self-pity rofl!

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Even if you're a troll, this is cringeworthy to read that you immediately try and chalk abstaining/neutrality or insouciance down to being jealous.

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Originally Posted by WoW

You want trivialize others achievements so that you don't' feel bad about yourself. And of course you didn't hear about Michio Kaku. You're busy drowning in jealousy and self-pity rofl!

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I never even mentioned any achievement he made, or any amount of money he made, or money at all. That was all you.
You must be bored out of your mind to try so hard and spin me not caring & me saying Asmon is just a Gamer and nothing special, Into me being Jealous.
And now me not knowing who Michio Kaku is the result of me drowning in Jealousy and Self Pity......this was some High Grade Trolling.
Had me going for a while. Could have gotten another page or 2 out of me if it wasn't for your last sentence there XD

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Even if you're a troll, this is cringeworthy to read that you immediately try and chalk abstaining/neutrality or insouciance down to being jealous.

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After that last line, I think I figured out it was a troll finally. Bugger had me going lmao

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Even if you're a troll, this is cringeworthy to read that you immediately try and chalk abstaining/neutrality or insouciance down to being jealous.

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It's not abstaining/neutrality when you seek out a thread about a person to announce you don't care what he's doing because he's insignificant. That's called condescension, and it's vitriol directed at that person and/or his fans; and jealousy is a possible explanation for it.

Abstaining/neutrality would be simply not getting involved.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's not abstaining/neutrality when you seek out a thread about a person to announce you don't care what he's doing because he's insignificant. That's called condescension, and it's vitriol directed at that person and/or his fans; and jealousy is a possible explanation for it.

Abstaining/neutrality would be simply not getting involved.

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To add onto this. The entire conversation stemmed from what he would bring to the table/why SE acknowledged him. He *is* something special in SE’e eyes and in a lot of people’s eyes. Just because someone doesn’t see it doesn’t make it any less true. He is a special player because of him having such a large audience and income, and being an influencer.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's not abstaining/neutrality when you seek out a thread about a person to announce you don't care what he's doing because he's insignificant. That's called condescension, and it's vitriol directed at that person and/or his fans; and jealousy is a possible explanation for it.

Abstaining/neutrality would be simply not getting involved.

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Show me a quote where I called him insignificant, or that I don't care what he's doing because he's insignificant.
Vitriol would mean Im being harsh or criticizing him for doing this, when I have done neither. I even said that Im curious how far he will get in the game. When were his fans brought into the conversation? I sure as heck didnt mention them.
My point has been; Asmongold is nothing Special, he is a Gamer. For some reason that simple fact = Jealousy.

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Originally Posted by ScarboroughFairy

I...genuinely don't wanna keep this dumpster fire of a thread running, but I'll give my .02 on this whole affair. After watching a bit of Asmongold's stuff and his OG account--he's not the problem. "Asmongold" is a character he plays and a parody of the type of neckbeards that play WoW. It just so happens that a lot of Twitch apes found that character relatable and end up subbing to his content, ironically enough.

ZackRawrr, who he actually is, is a softspoken, eloquent, and down-to-earth individual. He's actually a cool dude.

That said, I will say I'm worried about the selfsame Twitch apes that might follow him around ingame on whatever server he settles in and potentially ruin the game for everyone else. They'll eventually either be banned from ever playing again or get bored, throw a tantrum, and then leave. I'll also say I'm pretty disappointed in all the damn gatekeeping I'm seeing in this thread as all this purity checking is making my brain hurt. Unironically GCBTW.

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This is literally what I've been trying to say all along in this thread, lol.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

To add onto this. The entire conversation stemmed from what he would bring to the table/why SE acknowledged him. He *is* something special in SE’e eyes and in a lot of people’s eyes. Just because someone doesn’t see it doesn’t make it any less true. He is a special player because of him having such a large audience and income, and being an influencer.

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The guy normally gets Twitch views in the 60k range and Youtube videos in the 500k range. Square Enix would be nuts to not throw out a quick tweet. What has ALWAYS been amazing is Blizzard has pretended like the guy does not exist.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's not abstaining/neutrality when you seek out a thread about a person to announce you don't care what he's doing because he's insignificant. That's called condescension, and it's vitriol directed at that person and/or his fans; and jealousy is a possible explanation for it.

Abstaining/neutrality would be simply not getting involved.

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Or it can be chalked up simply because the streamer has indeed requested not to make a big deal out of it. But who knows.

He's a guy, who likes video games, who likes to stream, and happens to be a pretty good entertainer. There's no need for threads upon threads to be created on the matter. We could all just let him play the game in peace. Do I think it's good, sure? Do many people, sure? It certainly speaks volumes of it if he's making the leap

But that is no reason to make threads bowing down that the almighty and illustrious Asmongold has graced us with his presence, and then chalk it up to anyone as not condoning or agreeing with this narrative as being jealous. I thought we were beyond this level of elementary logic.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Show me a quote where I called him insignificant, or that I don't care what he's doing because he's insignificant.
Vitriol would mean Im being harsh or criticizing him for doing this, when I have done neither. I even said that Im curious how far he will get in the game. When were his fans brought into the conversation? I sure as heck didnt mention them.
My point has been; Asmongold is nothing Special, he is a Gamer. For some reason that simple fact = Jealousy.

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"Nothing special" and "Insignificant" are just different ways of saying the same thing. Going into a thread that's probably full of his fans and stating he's "nothing special" is condescension. You knew what you were doing.

Not that I mind, just don't play victim when fans of his fire back and call you jealous, or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

But that is no reason to make threads bowing down that the almighty and illustrious Asmongold has graced us with his presence, and then chalk it up to anyone as not condoning or agreeing with this narrative as being jealous. I thought we were beyond this level of elementary logic.

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He apparently has fans in this community that are glad he's coming onboard. If their enthusiasm bothers you then you're welcome to come into the thread and cut him down to size, but realize that's a confrontational thing to do, and can be interpreted as jealousy.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

"Nothing special" and "Insignificant" are just different ways of saying the same thing. Going into a thread that's probably full of his fans and stating he's "nothing special" is condescension. You knew what you were doing.

Not that I mind, just don't play victim when fans of his fire back and call you jealous, or whatever.

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Nah, thats just an excuse to Justify your claim that I said something I never even said.
Nothing Special, is even what Asmon is calling this..."event" Its just a videogame, and he's just a gamer. He himself has said this is nothing special....how is it condescending when Asmon when he himself even said these things?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Nah, thats just an excuse to Justify your claim that I said something I never even said.
Nothing Special, is even what Asmon is calling this..."event" Its just a videogame, and he's just a gamer. He himself has said this is nothing special....how is it condescending when Asmon when he himself even said these things?

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No, not significant and not special mean practically the same thing. But if you want to focus on the word special instead of significant then that's fine, we'll do that.

It's condescending towards the people who do view it as special. Also, he's just being modest; him pointing his hordes of followers in this direction is definitely a special thing; that's just a logistical fact. Anyone who comes packaged with followers and celebrity is going to be "special" to an MMORPG.

For what it's worth I don't think you're jealous of him; I think you just came here wanting to be "too cool for the hype" guy, and didn't like getting any backlash from Asmonds fans.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

"Nothing special" and "Insignificant" are just different ways of saying the same thing. Going into a thread that's probably full of his fans and stating he's "nothing special" is condescension. You knew what you were doing.

Not that I mind, just don't play victim when fans of his fire back and call you jealous, or whatever.


He apparently has fans in this community that are glad he's coming onboard. If their enthusiasm bothers you then you're welcome to come into the thread and cut him down to size, but realize that's a confrontational thing to do, and can be interpreted as jealousy.

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I never said the issue is with people being enthusiastic, or that, that alone poses an issue - Do I agree with it, not really, but that's me respecting the wishes of the person. The issue comes into play when those that are enthusiastic go at those that otherwise aren't with the immature and elementary logic such as "You're jealous" - I thought we all graduated from this line of thinking when we hit our mid-teens, apparently not though.

If you read my post carefully you'd know I used and then as sentence connectors, indicating that the issue was somehow connected with people chalking up this elementary logic of jealousy, as opposed to me having an issue with people being just exclusively happy or enthusiastic that he's elected to try this ship.

But hey whilst we're on elementary thinking - Let's reverse this situation, shall we. "One could reasonably infer that on your, and other peoples' continued reverence of Asmongold throughout this thread suggests that you're within the boundary of being obsessed about him playing the video game" - It can work both ways, so let's not create these levels of inferences, yes?

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

It's condescending towards the people who do view it as special. Also, he's just being modest; him pointing his hordes of followers in this direction is definitely a special thing; that's just a logistical fact. Anyone who comes packaged with followers and celebrity is going to be "special" to an MMORPG.

For what it's worth I don't think you're jealous of him; I think you just came here wanting to be "too cool for the hype" guy, and didn't like getting any backlash from Asmonds fans.

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So you're saying Asmongold is being Condescending towards his own fanbase then because he has said "Its Just a game" He doesn't view it as special, but his fans do...so by your logic he's being condescending. Ive watched his videos, his fanbase & others (such as you) are blowing it up more then it is.

Your idea of me is just as wrong as the guy who did claim me to be jealous. Like anybody, when false accusations and lies are thrown at them, I will defend myself.
I could get overly defensive, but Im not gonna let a lie pass.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

But hey whilst we're on elementary thinking - Let's reverse this situation, shall we. "One could reasonably infer that on your, and other peoples' continued reverence of Asmongold throughout this thread suggests that you're within boundary of being obsessed regarding him playing a video game"

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Sure, often times fans are obsessed and often times detractors are jealous. These aren't unreasonable surface level assessments in discussions like this. I'm not really accusing you of being jealous, though; I'm just saying that a condescending phrases like "the almighty and illustrious Asmon gracing us with his presence" can lead people to believe your actual point is tinged with jealousy.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So you're saying Asmongold is being Condescending towards his own fanbase then because he has said "Its Just a game" He doesn't view it as special, but his fans do...so by your logic he's being condescending. Ive watched his videos, his fanbase & others (such as you) are blowing it up more then it is.

Your idea of me is just as wrong as the guy who did claim me to be jealous. Like anybody, when false accusations and lies are thrown at them, I will defend myself.
I could get overly defensive, but Im not gonna let a lie pass.

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If you were to say that you're not in any way special, that's modesty. If I were to jump into a thread dedicated to you and unprovoked start telling everyone that you're not special, that's me going out of my way to try to cut you down. Do you really not understand the difference?

People try to cut down celebrities all the time, and the underlying reasons are usually jealousy or to create some kind of impression that you're above things like fandom. I still believe that your intentions here were the latter, but you're free to deny it.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Sure, often times fans are obsessed and often times detractors are jealous. These aren't unreasonable surface level assessments in discussions like this. I'm not really accusing you of being jealous, though; I'm just saying that a condescending phrases like "the almighty and illustrious Asmon gracing us with his presence" can lead people to believe your actual point is tinged with jealousy.

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Surface level assessments in discussions of these don't go well, because you know, this is a controversial topic, which least of all shouldn't be underpinned by these inferences - Doesn't make for very productive discussion.

I forget that sarcasm isn't accurately portrayed in the text so I will leave that there and grant it to misinterpretation.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Surface level assessments in discussions of these don't go well, because you know, this is a controversial topic, which least of all shouldn't be underpinned by these inferences - Doesn't make for very productive discussion.

I forget that sarcasm isn't accurately portrayed in the text so I will leave that there and grant it to misinterpretation.

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"He's nothing special" in a fan thread for a celeb isn't the framework for a productive discussion; it's gaslighting. People responding to that with surface level assessments isn't really something egregious.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

Sure, often times fans are obsessed and often times detractors are jealous. These aren't unreasonable surface level assessments in discussions like this. I'm not really accusing you of being jealous, though; I'm just saying that a condescending phrases like "the almighty and illustrious Asmon gracing us with his presence" can lead people to believe your actual point is tinged with jealousy.


If you were to say that you're not in any way special, that's modesty. If I were to jump into a thread dedicated to you and unprovoked start telling everyone that you're not special, that's me going out of my way to try to cut you down. Do you really not understand the difference?

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And? Even if he's being modest, He still said its nothing special, so its literally just you and other people blowing it up...not Him. At this point you just refuse to let Asmon tell you not to make it a big deal, and its jelousy that I listen to him?...lol makes NO sense.
Why would I, much less Asmon care that one person or a few people would try to "cut me down"? You think he's that Fragile?

At this point it sound more you you or his fans are just upset that I dare not be as excited as they are.
And how dare I voice an opinion right?
But hey, not like I haven't said something Asmon hasn't already said. Or do I need to repeat it for the 50th time?

Get over it my dude, Asmon playing FFXIV is nothing special.
Asmongold himself said, "Its nothing Special"

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Asmongold himself said, "Its nothing Special"

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He's just being modest; it factually is something special. He's a celebrity; he commands an army of potential customers; that's a special thing for an MMO player; he's not 'just another customer.'

Asmongold himself could say he doesn't have hands, but that wouldn't alter the reality that he has hands.

Asmons fans are excited, so you're here gaslighting because it makes you feel above this. That's the most obvious way to interpret what you're doing, but some people see it as jealousy. Even if these things aren't correct they are the impression you're creating, so that's kind of on you.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

And? Even if he's being modest, He still said its nothing special, so its literally just you and other people blowing it up...not Him. At this point you just refuse to let Asmon tell you not to make it a big deal, and its jelousy that I listen to him?...lol makes NO sense.
Why would I, much less Asmon care that one person or a few people would try to "cut me down"? You think he's that Fragile?

At this point it sound more you you or his fans are just upset that I dare not be as excited as they are.
And how dare I voice an opinion right?
But hey, not like I haven't said something Asmon hasn't already said. Or do I need to repeat it for the 50th time?

Get over it my dude, Asmon playing FFXIV is nothing special.
Asmongold himself said, "Its nothing Special"

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I share your sentiment on this, at least for the most part. It's nothing special for the FF XIV community. However, it is significant for WoW's. It's not because he's trying FF XIV. It is because he was almost exclusively a WoW player up until now and he trashed FF XIV to heck and back for years. It's not entirely about the person, it's about the message. Personally, I don't care whether he comes here or not. I don't particularly like the guy, but at the end of the day it's a non issue for me. If he's trying to send Blizzard a message though I'm all for it. I watch a few youtubers but I wouldn't say I'm an actual fan of any of them. Their content is just fun for me to watch sometimes, so I do. Asmongold is not one of them though. I know he's a bit of a big deal. I just don't care.

I’m kind of confused with this whole argument. He says it’s nothing special yes, but that’s in regards to his mindset of he’s just playing the game. However, i’d say it’s pretty dang special considering SE went out of their way to comment on the fact he’s coming to try their game. It’s the underlying tones that make it special. Him, a very popular streamer with a very wide audience is coming to try the game. He’s bringing major attention to the game and also money. This is a huge thing for SE just because of how famous he is. That, in my opinion makes him and the situation special. It’s the circumstances of the entire thing. Please don’t call me like, obsessed with him or anything because i honestly can’t really stand his “persona”, i’ve never watched his youtube vids though where he’s apparently normal so i won’t comment too much, but overall i do think this entire situation is special, and it is because of him that makes it so.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

However, i’d say it’s pretty dang special considering SE went out of their way to comment on the fact he’s coming to try their game.

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*The community rep who runs the twitter* commented. It's not like the CEO of SE was barking out orders telling them they needed to reply to the WoW streamer man ASAP.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I never even mentioned any achievement he made, or any amount of money he made, or money at all. That was all you.
You must be bored out of your mind to try so hard and spin me not caring & me saying Asmon is just a Gamer and nothing special, Into me being Jealous.
And now me not knowing who Michio Kaku is the result of me drowning in Jealousy and Self Pity......this was some High Grade Trolling.
Had me going for a while. Could have gotten another page or 2 out of me if it wasn't for your last sentence there XD

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You are jealous. Because of the simple fact that you cannot get yourself to admit that people can be considered special because of their achievements. Your own personal view point has no significance. If you were truly neutral or don't even care about the person, you wouldn't dismiss his achievements as nothing special. And yes, you do seem to be the type of person who would look at any successful person and try to convince yourself that they're nothing special and yet, you're not even as successful as they are in the first place. You reek of jealously rofl.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Even if you're a troll, this is cringeworthy to read that you immediately try and chalk abstaining/neutrality or insouciance down to being jealous.

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Use your brain, 5head! If someone's truly neutral about something, they won't dismiss any facts as being insignificant on their own accord. When you're jealous from someone, you immediately refuse to even admit any of their achievements and belittle them as much as possible.

Asmongold says: I don't play FFXIV cause you guys are going to overblow the crud out of it when I do.

He finally decides to try it.. and guess what happens?

The guy is a genuine oldschool chronic (in the habit sense not the drug) gamer who likes what he likes.. if he finds something he likes in FFXIV cool, if he can't stand the rest of it.. COOL.

If nothing else his large platform will at least bring some gamers over who might not have even tried it.

the rest of the blind fanboys can post all the hate they want, it's not like them saying FFXIV sucks.. makes it suck.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

*The community rep who runs the twitter* commented. It's not like the CEO of SE was barking out orders telling them they needed to reply to the WoW streamer man ASAP.

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It doesn’t change the fact that they know about it though. Especially considering that it’s basically plastered everywhere. Like..it’s literally about to increase their playerbase and monetary gains. It ain’t rocket science.

Never heard of this loser, yet I cared enough to post. Shoot me....

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

I cannot see how having a kick at people who idealize the game and the community and treat "dissenters" very disrespectfully for daring having a different opinion being potentially faced with an opinion or a fact that would bring the worst out of them simply for being stated is worse than wanting to gatekeep people because they played a certain game and branding them with a lot of very harmful labels baselessly, sorry.

When people say "GCBTW" or "the community" in this case it's snark meant towards that very specific group of very toxic and hypocritical individuals.

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Because one side simply wants to be left alone. What some people call gatekeeping is merely an expression that they don't want to interact with a perception of a type of individual. It's mostly unfounded, and is definitely bad when taken to the extreme (like many things are), and should be countered with education to address any fear of having anyone joining the community.

The other side, who can just simply be the better side and counter that negative perception, also decide to spite that part of the community.

And regardless of who is targeted, using GCBTW is an indictment on the whole community and paints a bad light on the whole from an outsider's point of view. It's the kind of thing that makes people think the WoW community is toxic whereas many people can find great relationships due to being part of that community.

If you have a problem with certain types of people, deal with them directly. Don't be lazy and meme at them at the community's expanse, because that's what GCBTW.

And yes, it is a great community, by the way, and you're part of this great community, just as I am, and other people as well, some good, some bad. Such is life.

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Originally Posted by WoW

You are jealous.

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You really dont know what Jealousy is if you continue to call me that.

Ive explained myself, but you continue to force the Jealousy label. What achievements have we talked about for me to be Jealous of, 2 mill followers? Cool, I don't live on social media, it doesn't mean anything, so this is in fact Nothing Special. But your so desperate to make me believe it is. He makes money? So do I. So what has he achieved that I should feel like makes him special?

Lol this is becoming complete nonsense, but Im convinced your a troll after your last post, so I just wont take you seriously.
Its obvious your just bored and wanna argue with someone.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

You really dont know what Jealousy is if you continue to call me that.

Ive explained myself, but you continue to force the Jealousy label. What achievements have we talked about for me to be Jealous of, 2 mill followers? Cool, I don't live on social media, it doesn't mean anything, so this is in fact Nothing Special.

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All I see is someone trying to convince themselves that another person is not special, despite all achievements of that other person. I don't see SE welcoming you nor caring about you, I don't see a thread about you, and yet, you're here trying to pretend there's nothing special about the other person who has all that rofl! Yeah, jealousy at its finest.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

He makes money? So do I.

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HAHAHA! Yes, the only difference is that he probably makes 100x times what you make! I bet at school they taught you that you're all the same, you're all smart, you all get an A for participation.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Lol this is becoming complete nonsense, but Im convinced your a troll after your last post, so I just wont take you seriously.
Its obvious your just bored and wanna argue with someone.

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Yeah, label me as a troll because it's an easy way out when your arguments started crumbling down. But hey, at least I'm not afraid to say that you're special. Because out of all the haters here, you're the only one who's trying hard to convince themselves that they're not jealous of a successful man!

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Originally Posted by WoW

All I see is someone trying to convince themselves that another person is not special, despite all achievements of that other person. I don't see SE welcoming you nor caring about you, I don't see a thread about you, and yet, you're here trying to pretend there's nothing special about the other person who has all that rofl! Yeah, jealousy at its finest.

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I dont have to convince myself of anything, I already know he isn't
Its you that wants me to think otherwise.
I dont need anything from SE except a fun game to play that will convince me to continue to spend money on.

BTW, why is this suddenly about me? Thought we were talking about Asmongold Here.
Or am I suddenly becoming Special?

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Originally Posted by WoW

HAHAHA! Yes, the only difference is that he probably makes 100x times what you make! I bet at school they taught you that you're all the same, you're all smart, you all get an A for participation.

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Cool, why do I care? There are tens of thousands of people who make more money then me, and most of them, are still nothing special. Their Bank Accounts dont make them special.
Nah, my school taught a simple Curriculum. And that I have to learn and study if I want to be successful. No shortcuts.
Why is my school part of the conversation about Asmongold btw?

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Originally Posted by WoW

Yeah, label me as a troll because it's an easy way out when your arguments started crumbling down. But hey, at least I'm not afraid to say that you're special. Because out of all the haters here, you're the only one who's trying hard to convince themselves that they're not jealous of a successful man!

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You obviously are, otherwise you wouldn't be trying so hard to convince me im Jealous when I have stated Im simply not, and there is nothing to be Jealous of. Then you bring in how much money Asmon makes like thats suppose to sway me, then talk about my school giving A's for Participation, and now you call me Special...with no context of what you mean by it...so I can easily assume its an insult.
Something I never did...but you had to....

But Yeah man...Im convinced your a total troll at this point.
Your posts Reek of it.

No idea who that is, but cool.

i googled- and lets hope he keeps the wow salt in wow and doesn't bring it over to FF.

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Originally Posted by WoW

All I see is someone trying to convince themselves that another person is not special, despite all achievements of that other person. I don't see SE welcoming you nor caring about you, I don't see a thread about you, and yet, you're here trying to pretend there's nothing special about the other person who has all that rofl! Yeah, jealousy at its finest.

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You don't see SE welcoming us into this game. Are you blind? SE welcomes it's player base in ways that unfortunately the WoW player base haven't felt for some time and I get that. I wish they did, but SE goes out of their way for all FFXIV player base. Do you know that flying in ARR wasn't in the development plans? For so long players wanted to be able to fly in ARR zones. I guess YoshiP didn't see it in the game's budget with everything else he had to budgeted in at the time. Well these devs work long and hard hours making it possible. YoshiP didn't know they've been secretly working on it until way later and to his surprise along with the players surprised it was announced. If that's not welcoming to it's fans from SE and YoshiP, I don't know what is. SE can't type on Twitter to every player a welcome message, that's just silly.

Yeah YoshiP reaches out to many notable streamers, no big deal, it doesn't make Asmongold any more special. I just hope Asmongold can try the game like he wants without the bull honestly. Just people need to get off their high horse including you.

I hope for his own sake that Asmongold makes a character no one knows of, and doesn't stream live - record for later. Let him learn the game, enjoy the game without people either fawning over him or hating on him.

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Originally Posted by juicybug

No idea who that is, but cool.

i googled- and lets hope he keeps the wow salt in wow and doesn't bring it over to FF.

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From what I see FF14 is plenty of salt towards WOW players already

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

From what I see FF14 is plenty of salt towards WOW players already

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Read this alot. But as a refugee, I never experienced that. As ever, problem pumbed out of proportion.

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Originally Posted by Hysterior

From what I see FF14 is plenty of salt towards WOW players already

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Not heard much salt against WoW players coming into this game and they've been coming way before this. It's just in these forums some of the regular nasties come out of the woodwork and don't know how to act. I hope any WoW player finds the game relaxing and fun.

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Originally Posted by WoW

You are jealous. Because of the simple fact that you cannot get yourself to admit that people can be considered special because of their achievements. Your own personal view point has no significance. If you were truly neutral or don't even care about the person, you wouldn't dismiss his achievements as nothing special. And yes, you do seem to be the type of person who would look at any successful person and try to convince yourself that they're nothing special and yet, you're not even as successful as they are in the first place. You reek of jealously rofl.



Use your brain, 5head! If someone's truly neutral about something, they won't dismiss any facts as being insignificant on their own accord. When you're jealous from someone, you immediately refuse to even admit any of their achievements and belittle them as much as possible.

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Or people just simply don't care to view them as achievements in that sense. You know, different people having different goals and aspirations, but then I wouldn't really expect you to know that.

Or you know as has been highlighted several times in that people are just respecting what Asmongold had to say as to not blow it out of proportion and to let him play the game without any unpleasantries.

Threads like this just create some expectation out of him joining the game when all he really probably wants to do is try the game, see if he likes it, and then create his own firsthand opinion of the game. He doesn't need people fanboying over what DC or server he'll pick, especially when he wants to just play through. Cringeeee.

Like I've said, chalking up everything that doesn't conform to your narrative that this event should be treated as if it's a cosmic event like a singularity is going to happen as being jealous is just an immature and as mentioned surface-level assessment.. But alas being who you are, and your reputation for it I hardly expect less, so enjoy yourself I guess.

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Originally Posted by Goji1639

"He's nothing special" in a fan thread for a celeb isn't the framework for a productive discussion; it's gaslighting. People responding to that with surface level assessments isn't really something egregious.

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I see I'm having to repeat myself in that some people just simply don't view it as anything special beyond someone wanting to play the game. Sure he brings a significant viewer base to the game, but that aside let him play the game. If you're to view everyone not treating this as something special as being gaslighting, then that is on you, and taking into account some of the things that Asmon has said in the past isn't exactly the most pleasant outlook to have.- "But he's just being humble"

If you aren't prepared for everyone to jump on the bandwagon, or if you aren't prepared for people having a different outlook than yourself on the subject matter then I really do question making the thread in the first place.

Honestly, I hope he doesn't, I played WoW for years and one of his favourite past times was screwing RPers over, he'd occasionally host his events on Argent Dawn knowing full well it'd cause chaos for the server and it did without fail, his fans have the collective IQ of a sponge and the toxicity to rival if not surpass the Chernobyl fallout, concerns people might have are not unfounded.

If he plays by himself without streaming to see if he likes it or not then there likely won't be issues or any negative fallout but the moment his fans come? Toxicity will skyrocket and to the people who think it won't, oh boy, keep telling yourself that you'll see soon enough.