White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

I like new, i like shinny. Its mine, i take it!

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

I don't intend to use them, but deserving them or not is beside the point as they'll be made available. Your feelings about that are immaterial. Regardless, the point is that players who require the game to manage their emotions for them and are highly sensitive to game changes that may potentially diminish their self-worth are in fact a blight on MMORPGs and if it comes down to catering to them or cutting them loose, the game is probably better off cutting them loose.

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The envious souls in this thread are doing what exactly?

Oh, right. Exactly what you described because an item exists that isn't available. Someone earned it when it was available and they didn't know about it or weren't even playing and it really burns their bottoms.

"I have to have it because it's in the game, they wouldn't add it to the game if they didn't want me to have it!"

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Originally Posted by Aviars

ou saying you deserve them for nothing is immaterial. People are argueing that this shouldn't happen because people don't deserve it outside of doing what they were meant for. You are saying it should just because.

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This reads like you didn't actually understand my point and settled for mirroring the language I used in the hopes that you could turn it around on me.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

The envious souls in this thread are doing what exactly?

Oh, right. Exactly what you described because an item exists that isn't available. Someone earned it when it was available and they didn't know about it or weren't even playing and it really burns their bottoms.

"I have to have it because it's in the game, they wouldn't add it to the game if they didn't want me to have it!"

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Admittedly, I haven't read every post in this thread. Could you point out even one post in this thread that is like that without any exaggeration on your part?

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Funny how you draw the line around the fact that it is "just"" an earring. What is to stop people from saying it is just a minion? Just a tattoo? You can say that about anything. And really this comment from you tells me you realize that people shouldn't be handed items for free. You just say because it is a earring it doesn't matter, like lol.

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I draw the distinction here because Cirina, like myself is an Au Ra, and a fairly adorable one, especially the minion. I have wanted this since I first noticed they introduced Sadu, and Magnai On the other hand the earring is not something I get much value in, that's me personally, some people will, some people won't I fall into the latter.

Granted I do in fact believe that people shouldn't be handed an item for free. But again, in this particular case I would find it as quite commemorative, being an item you currently can't achieve, and granted it was a reward for one of the harder quests. Again, how I truly feel on this subject matter I will withhold entirely until I've participated in the event. If I feel the items have no worth to me then I will either discard them or not bother going for what probable grind they will make people do. If I were to give my thoughts on the matter, I do think the trial should be recreated to some depth, to at least give those that weren't able to participate in an event, to participate in said event. With true difficulty maintained. But logically, and this is why I haven't bothered mentioning it, is because it would consume far too much time and resources just for the sake of a limited-time event. Like I have said, judgement withheld, and like I've also implied earlier in the thread these items should not be Mogstation purchasable in a years time.

Before you make the argument, or before someone else pulls this out of the hat. there's a major difference between handing an item down for free that was probably an unintended exclusive due to the game being shut down and the content being no longer available, especially if said item holds value to the history of the game, and something current in the game that can achieved with significant effort being handed out like a freebie.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Let me ask you this. Did you beat the boss that those people HAD to beat to get the earrings?

If the answer is no, then you don't deserve the earrings.

Pretty simple.

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See i never was gonna wear the earrings now i just have to.
Also its not like your 1.0 Gobb mount is being taken away or charged extra for subs or all the other excess stuff they gave you for sticking with 1.0.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

This reads like you didn't actually understand my point and settled for mirroring the language I used in the hopes that you could turn it around on me.

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It's actually pretty hilarious that they, in general, are now trying to turn things around to make it sound like people who are coming to say 'why are you throwing a fit about this' are the ones that are throwing the fit. The ones who compared pixels in a game to stolen valor....

Yeeeah.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Funny how you draw the line around the fact that it is "just"" an earring. What is to stop people from saying it is just a minion? Just a tattoo? You can say that about anything. And really this comment from you tells me you realize that people shouldn't be handed items for free. You just say because it is a earring it doesn't matter, like lol.

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I have the Primogs minion from Before the Fall:OST before the codes became expired and the Yuna minion from the previous fanfest. I literally do not care if other people get them through different means. It's a virtual toy, it's not like someone stole your Olympic gold medal and is pretending to be an international athlete or if someone stole your identity.

It's also an MMO. Your entire gaming life revolves around things becoming invalidated after a certain amount of time. When you eventually unsub and cancel your subscription or they shut down XIV somewhere in the future, all of that work goes down the drain you know. You can't hold onto it forever.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

I have the Primogs minion from Before the Fall:OST before the codes became expired and the Yuna minion from the previous fanfest. I literally do not care if other people get them through different means. It's a virtual toy, it's not like someone stole your Olympic gold medal and is pretending to be an international athlete or if someone stole your identity.

It's also an MMO. Your entire gaming life revolves around things becoming invalidated after a certain amount of time. When you eventually unsub and cancel your subscription or they shut down XIV somewhere in the future, all of that work goes down the drain you know. You can't hold onto it forever.

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Same thing with real life buddy. When we die we lose everything. Guess we should make everything free in this world cause it just makes sense haha.

I'm amused when people take offence to others getting access to shinies they think should stay exclusive because of the supposed prestige attached to them.

Yes how dare SE unlock tiny snippets of content for other players. It's such a crime to increase the accessibility to old purely cosmetic items. Newer players don't deserve to also enjoy them.

/eyeroll

(Edit: I’ve been corrected on this. Leaving it here for discussion sequence. Also they still *could* make an exception for the earrings being sold later. Perhaps.)

On the issue that “it’ll be on MogStation next year!”... will it? I don’t think you can buy last year’s rewards (Lyse and Gosetsu minions if I remember correctly), and I haven’t been here long enough to know what the previous rewards were but everything available in the “past seasonal events” category seems... well, seasonal.

Perhaps I’m mistaken and the minions are about to be available to coincide with this year’s event. But if any event rewards are going to be unavailable later, the “thankyou for playing” event seems fair enough. (Although then a poor choice to make character minions the prizes, so... I don’t know.)

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Same thing with real life buddy. When we die we lose everything. Guess we should make everything free in this world cause it just makes sense haha.

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And I guess the proper way to rebuttal when you've run out of rope in real life dear is to make extreme hyperbolic statements while that ship of your's underneath is sinking due to the iceberg of "reality checks".

You're gonna have a hard time in life if you feel invalidated because someone has a pair of virtual earrings just like your own. Real hard time. If I had a nickel for all of the times someone had something that I wanted, I'd be rich by now. But, unfortunately, life don't work that way either and sometimes, video games are no different.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

See i never was gonna wear the earrings now i just have to.
Also its not like your 1.0 Gobb mount is being taken away or charged extra for subs or all the other excess stuff they gave you for sticking with 1.0.

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The earrings are not related to the Legacy Campaign. They're a reward from a fight.

Even if they do add the earrings to the Mog Station...that'll only happen after another year has passed, in which case it will have been six years since the original earrings were first added to the game. That's just over half a decade. It's a very long period of time and most people will have accomplished quite a bit in that chunk of time. I'm genuinely worried about some of the vocal posters within this thread. It seems to me like the outrage is caused by a combination of addiction and an unhealthy desire to be praised for something that the vast majority of players really do not care about.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Same thing with real life buddy. When we die we lose everything. Guess we should make everything free in this world cause it just makes sense haha.

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Things can't be made free in real life due to scarcity. That's not really a factor with digital goods you can "print" virtually endlessly.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

On the issue that “it’ll be on MogStation next year!”... will it? I don’t think you can buy last year’s rewards (Lyse and Gosetsu minions if I remember correctly), and I haven’t been here long enough to know what the previous rewards were but everything available in the “past seasonal events” category seems... well, seasonal.

Perhaps I’m mistaken and the minions are about to be available to coincide with this year’s event. But if any event rewards are going to be unavailable later, the “thankyou for playing” event seems fair enough. (Although then a poor choice to make character minions the prizes, so... I don’t know.)

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They're usually added once the event rolls back around next year.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

And I guess the proper way to rebuttal when you've run out of rope in real life dear is to make extreme hyperbolic statements while that ship of your's underneath is sinking due to the iceberg of "reality checks".

You're gonna have a hard time in life if you feel invalidated because someone has a pair of virtual earrings just like your own. Real hard time. If I had a nickel for all of the times someone had something that I wanted, I'd be rich by now. But, unfortunately, life don't work that way either and sometimes, video games are no different.

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You made a statement saying nothing matters cause we eventually quit the game or w.e. Pretty sad when people are confronted with a similar argument they collapse and try to invalidate it personal attacks.

You can try all you want but you know your argument holds no water towards one simple fact.

"Did you do the proper content required to receive the earrings?"

If the answer is no, then you don't deserve it. Simple simple champ. How about this for a zinger, you'll have a hard time getting through life thinking everything will get handed to you over the long term. Thanks ;]

You deserve exactly what the developers decide to provide you and how they decide to provide you. :D Be it through a fight... or an Anniversary Event.

Darlings.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

You can't try all you want but you know your argument holds no water towards one simple fact.

"Did you do the proper content required to receive the earrings?"

If the answer is no, then you don't deserve it. Simple simple champ.

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It's been 5+ years since you've had earrings from a fight people either no longer care about or they didn't even know it existed anymore. Congrats, have a cookie.

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How about this for a zinger, you'll have a hard time getting through life thinking everything will get handed to you over the long term. Thanks ;]

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I got myself through college with a Bachelor's degree, survived a car accident, work two jobs because fiance has nerve/brain damage from said car accident that wasn't our fault and can't work, survived my own suicide attempt, take care of three other people in my household, and still somehow retain a healthy relationship with friends & family despite the fact that any other normal human being might have actually cracked by now due to such extreme pressures. How's that for a zinger on personal achievements and hardships...? :o And not you or anyone else can tell me otherwise.

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You made a statement saying nothing matters cause we eventually quit the game or w.e. Pretty sad when people are confronted with a similar argument they collapse and try to invalidate it personal attacks.

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^^^^ Yea, I could say the same thing about your very hypocritical statement just above my other reply just now too. Very, very sad indeed.

I’m astounded at how many pages this argument has gone on for, I’ve been playing since 1.0 alpha, but I’m not going to get torn up over them giving out old 1.0 content items. I’d prefer they left the tattoo alone, but that’s about it. I’ll be happy to get the earrings as I tried many times to get a group together to beat that fight but we never succeeded and I ran out of time. I played FFXI since 2004 and they’ve handed out many items that were nigh impossible to obtain at one time but there is no point in being salty over digital items. You can always treasure the memories you made with your friends and that will never be taken away.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Even if they do add the earrings to the Mog Station...that'll only happen after another year has passed, in which case it will have been six years since the original earrings were first added to the game. That's just over half a decade. It's a very long period of time and most people will have accomplished quite a bit in that chunk of time. I'm genuinely worried about some of the vocal posters within this thread. It seems to me like the outrage is caused by a combination of addiction and an unhealthy desire to be praised for something that the vast majority of players really do not care about.

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I don't think it is fair to call it unhealthy. That's human nature.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

It's been 5+ years since you've had earrings from a fight people either no longer care about or they didn't even knew it existed anymore. Congrats, have a cookie.

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Why does it upset you that people have something that you don't? Relax

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

I got myself through college with a Bachelor's degree, survived a car accident, work two jobs because fiance has nerve/brain damage from said car accident that wasn't our fault and can't work, survived my own suicide attempt, take care of three other people in my household, and still somehow retain a healthy relationship with friends & family despite the fact that any other normal human being might have actually cracked by now due to such extreme pressures. How's that for a zinger on personal achievements and hardships...? :o And not you or anyone else can tell me otherwise.

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Is this supposed to tell me things in video games should be free?

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

^^^^ Yea, I could say the same thing about your very hypocritical statement just above my other reply just now too. Very, very sad indeed.

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I'm stating a fact. You chose to attack my argument with personal attacks. I'm unmasking your personal attack for what it truly is. Not the same thing :>

I'm not gonna bother trying to rebut ad hominems. Try something else.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

I don't think it is fair to call it unhealthy. That's human nature.

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I disagree. Many people - myself included - are completely fine with items that we've earned or bought over the years being enjoyed by those who do not yet have them.

It isn't necessarily in our nature to be selfish. That's a learned behaviour for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Wobi

I’m astounded at how many pages this argument has gone on for, I’ve been playing since 1.0 alpha, but I’m not going to get torn up over them giving out old 1.0 content items. I’d prefer they left the tattoo alone, but that’s about it. I’ll be happy to get the earrings as I tried many times to get a group together to beat that fight but we never succeeded and I ran out of time. I played FFXI since 2004 and they’ve handed out many items that were nigh impossible to obtain at one time but there is no point in being salty over digital items. You can always treasure the memories you made with your friends and that will never be taken away.

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I have a feeling anything Legacy Campaign items (chocobo, tattoo, name in credits and of course the best thing a Legacy player has been given, a subscription discount) will remain exclusive to Legacy players. From what I can recall, to even be given Legacy status, you actually had to pay to play FFXIV 1.2X within a certain period of time for three months (confirmation needed). You paid the devs to fix FFXIV and were rewarded for your contribution :)

If they handed any of that stuff out (Legacy chocobo and tattoo), then that would be a very bad move on SE's behalf.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It isn't necessarily in our nature to be selfish. That's a learned behaviour for the most part.

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It is not selfish to expect other people to do the same thing for the same reward. Try again

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Originally Posted by Iscah

On the issue that “it’ll be on MogStation next year!”... will it? I don’t think you can buy last year’s rewards (Lyse and Gosetsu minions if I remember correctly), and I haven’t been here long enough to know what the previous rewards were but everything available in the “past seasonal events” category seems... well, seasonal.

Perhaps I’m mistaken and the minions are about to be available to coincide with this year’s event. But if any event rewards are going to be unavailable later, the “thankyou for playing” event seems fair enough. (Although then a poor choice to make character minions the prizes, so... I don’t know.)

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I don't remember the rewards for every year, but some of the past Rising rewards are definitely on Mogstation. /huzzah, Wind-up Minfilia, etc.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I disagree. Many people - myself included - are completely fine with items that we've earned or bought over the years being enjoyed by those who do not yet have them.

It isn't necessarily in our nature to be selfish. That's a learned behaviour for the most part.

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I agree that "sharing" is okay, although I rather it be a similar feat. I think it shouldn't be easy to obtain.

I just don't think there is something wrong with people for disagreeing.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Why does it upset you people have something that you don't? Relax

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It doesn't, I'm not the one grandstanding that no one else should be able to have my virtual goods inside of a video game. I mean, I'm sorry if other people having things that you do upsets you, but, you could just uninstall the game then if you're unhappy with the director's decision, I guess...? I may not even do the event honestly, probably won't have time and they're just earrings anyways that do absolutely nothing, so who cares. ^^

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Is this supposed to tell me things in video games should be free?

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Psssshhh....lots of things already are technically. I mean, I didn't expect you to try and honestly or seriously refute that paragraph, so changing topics and casually brushing off that folly was the best course of action.

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I'm stating a fact. You chose to attack my argument with personal attacks. I'm unmasking your personal attack for what it truly is. Not the same thing :>

I'm not gonna bother trying to rebut ad hominems. Try something else.

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You didn't really state a fact. You chose to take something I said as a personal attack or slight, maybe because it's true about yourself, who knows, because I called out your extreme hyperbole over something trivial...and then I guess you figured that taking everything much farther than it needed to go was the right course of action. You don't cry wolf over a person that you think is slighting you and argue that it's wrong...and then go and do it yourself much worse. That makes you out to be a hypocrite, sadly.

Also, maybe try not using a condescending tone right away and calling someone "buddy", no one likes pet names from strangers over the internet. You kind of started this whole mess.

I implore you to try something else yourself.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

It is not selfish to expect other people to do the same thing for the same reward. Try again

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I beat T9, so obviously it's fine for me to get the earring.

Granted, it was when T9 was given the Echo buff (the only "nerf" in the fight), but regardless, I've beaten it. Also beat T7 before that was nerfed. Gosh, what a stressful fight that was when I was tasked to deal with Renauds.

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Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra

It doesn't, I'm not the one grandstanding that no one else should be able to have my virtual goods inside of a video game. I mean, I'm sorry if other people having things that you do upsets you, but, you could just uninstall the game then if you're unhappy with the director's decision, I guess...? I may not even do the event honestly, probably won't have time and they're just earrings anyways that do absolutely nothing, so who cares. ^^

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If it doesn't upset you why so adamant over the earrings being available for nothing? :>

Again, a lot of people like yourself only say the earrings should be available just "because."

Meanwhile people like me have legitimate arguments such as "Why should people who did not do the content get access to the same reward?"

That's pretty much illustrates both sides, you can say you don't care all you want, but if you didn't, you would understand why these earrings and similar items shouldn't be handed out for free. :>

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Originally Posted by Aviars

It is not selfish to expect other people to do the same thing for the same reward. Try again

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It is.

Beating a fight in the original version of a game that had to be shut down and relaunched is objectively not that big a deal. Especially when five years have passed since that point. Those who managed to complete it will still have access to their earrings. The developers are not taking them away from those players, nor are they stripping away the memories of the players in question.

Everybody agreed to the Terms of Service when they made their account. The Terms of Service state, specifically, that the game can and will change over time. On a legal basis, that also covers things like the developers stating one thing and then doing another. If those speaking out about this are truly so disheartened, then the best thing for them to do is speak with their wallets and take their leave of the game.

At the end of the day, it's just that - a game. It's really not that big a deal.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I beat T9, so obviously it's fine for me to get the earring.

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Likewise. I'm also a big fan of all things Garlemald, so I'll definitely appreciate them for what they are - a cool piece of Garlean themed gear.

They are handed out because the devs say so. That's kind of all the reason there is and will be.

Pretty much it.

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Originally Posted by Zsolen

I don't think it is fair to call it unhealthy. That's human nature.

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Human nature and unhealthiness aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Human nature and unhealthiness aren't mutually exclusive concepts.

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No, but it is not a complete overlap. There are people more reasonable in their objections than others.

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

They are handed out because the devs say so. That's kind of all the reason there is and will be.

Pretty much it.

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Basically saying people's opinions don't matter over legitimate concerns. Saddens me that people think this way.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I disagree. Many people - myself included - are completely fine with items that we've earned or bought over the years being enjoyed by those who do not yet have them.

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I raided in WoW for a super long time so I got lots of cool mounts and titles. Though I worked hard to get them from top tier content, I always strongly disagreed with the idea that those shinies should be unobtainable when a new tier launches.

I don't really care how people get their beloved shinies. Someone else having an easier time getting them at a later date never annoyed me. I'm just glad to see people enjoy them.

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Originally Posted by Nixxe

Admittedly, I haven't read every post in this thread. Could you point out even one post in this thread that is like that without any exaggeration on your part?

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It was just describing envy, that really isn't an exaggeration. I'm not going out of my way to break a rule naming someone. There's already been collectors complaining they couldn't get them after seeing someone else had them/finding out they exist. Practically every post calling 1.0 players entitled for wanting something the developers themselves stated was never coming back in the future, as an incentive to stay subscribed during 1.0. I really can't post that enough it seems, yet some want to try to re-interpret a simple statement like ARR wasn't even guaranteed to happen at that point (tip: it was long since in production at that point). The producer (now executive) being incapable of keeping his, and the team he represents, promises should mean something to everyone playing.

Even besides that. Everyone that's getting bent out of shape trying to downplay a limited pair of earrings someone else earned. "Why are you getting upset over some pixels?" No, why are you arguing over someone else's pixels if they are supposedly so meaningless.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

Basically saying people's opinions don't matter. Saddens me that people think this way.

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Your opinion is an opinion. The devs have already decided to release them. They are in the code and the game already. Have been for awhile, given they were data-mined... Pitching a fit and being rather childish towards each other here is not going to change that fact. The company made a decision to do something with their old data which you agreed to when you clicked that TOS button and rented use of that data.

What people are going overboard with here is attacking each other. Devs have released these. They are there. Period. Going on about 'stolen valor' is an extreme over-reaction to a video game and for adults... worrying. Perspective of the situation, please.

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Originally Posted by Tiraelina

It was just describing envy, that really isn't an exaggeration. I'm not going out of my way to break a rule naming someone. There's already been collectors complaining they couldn't get them after seeing someone else had them/finding out they exist. Practically every post calling 1.0 players entitled for wanting something the developers themselves stated was never coming back in the future, as an incentive to stay subscribed during 1.0. I really can't post that enough it seems, yet some want to try to re-interpret a simple statement like ARR wasn't even guaranteed to happen at that point (tip: it was long since in production at that point). The producer (now executive) being incapable of keeping his, and the team he represents, promises should mean something to everyone playing.

Even besides that. Everyone that's getting bent out of shape trying to downplay a limited pair of earrings someone else earned. "Why are you getting upset over some pixels?" No, why are you arguing over someone else's pixels if they are supposedly so meaningless.

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Perhaps I'm missing it, but I don't see these earrings named in that post, either explicitly or implicitly. It simply says there will be exclusives. In fact, it seems to point towards getting to experience the content and a goobbue mount as the exclusive thanks.

Also, if it isn't clear by now, I'm not arguing over pixels, at least not per se. I am arguing against a particular attitude that I think is a rather cancerous element in MMORPGs. I don't care about the earrings one way or the other and they could decide to remove them from the event tomorrow and it wouldn't bother me at all. The pettiness and neediness of other players is a different matter, however.

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Originally Posted by Tsalmaveth

Your opinion is an opinion.

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And you are saying that it is wrong to express a opinion. Devs have been swayed by public opinion. It is just a fact. :>

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Originally Posted by Aviars

If it doesn't upset you why so adamant over the earrings being available for nothing? :>

Again, a lot of people like yourself only say the earrings should be available just "because."

Meanwhile people like me have legitimate arguments such as "Why should people who did not do the content get access to the same reward?"

That's pretty much illustrates both sides, you can say you don't care all you want, but if you didn't, you would understand why these earrings and similar items shouldn't be handed out for free. :>

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And even if I had the earrings and played in 1.0, I still wouldn't care if other people had them or not. That's the difference between me and you. I don't need to "lord" having virtual earrings over other people inside of a virtual world. It's petty.

I understand perfectly.

ITT: People from 1.0 are mad over a lvl 50 pair of earrings that give a slashing debuff from a hard fight five years ago and hold grudges over people getting them several years later for less stressful ways.

Why on earth would you hold a petty grudge over virtual, freaking earrings that were from five years ago? Is that really healthy to do?

Edit: Also, you can stop with the trolling already, it's not making your point any clearer, it's only harming it. Your emotes are a surefire and clear way to see that you're doing this on purpose to try and provoke others into getting angry. That too, is also petty.

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Originally Posted by Aviars

And you are saying that it is wrong to express a opinion. Devs have been swayed by public opinion. It is just a fact. :>

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I am saying people are behaving poorly. Stating an opinion in a mature way is one thing... and that is not happening in this thread a lot of the time.