So... I have just witnessed the most puzzling display of complete lack of situational awareness I have ever seen. To set the stage: I queued for what I thought would be a quick leveling roulette on my WHM and ended up in Malikah's well. I've never healed this one before but it didn't strike me as a particularly hard dungeon so... should be fine. The group: A fantastic Gunbreaker, a perfectly decent Red Mage and a Monk who seemingly got lost on their way to Bingo night.
We get started, the tank does a double pull, everything's going fine, except the monk is getting hit by absolutely every AoE. At first I thought they were just ignoring them to burn the pack faster which I'm fine with, I can weave some heals in between my Holy spam for maximum pewpew-ness but then I notice that the mobs are dying slower than normal. No matter, we keep going, get to the first boss and, once again, the Monk takes every mechanic straight to the face. At this point I'm quite puzzled and start paying attention to their movements, only to realize everytime a red circle pops up beneath their feat, they slowly backtrack. Not turn around and run, no no no, slow backwards walk. I'm left scratching my head as to how in the world they managed to make it this far into the game.
2nd boss comes around and, once again, dodging is not on the monk's to-do list today, or tomorrow for that matter. They take a spout to the face and die, I rez them, they kinda stand there for a while, dazed and confused, before slowly trotting back to the boss to take more mechanics right in the kisser moments later. At this point, I knew the last boss would be a 3 man job. I was not disappointed.
We get to the weird feathery last boss, engage and, at this point, I'm paying more attention to the Monk than the boss itself. It's just a fascinating display of sheer incompetence, such an absolute trainwreck, I just can't bring myself to look away. I tried to help them, I really did, spamming them with heals, rescuing them in the right spot, etc, but our brave little puncher is deadset on tanking the floor. At that point I just gave up, stopped healing them through the dodging phase and instead focused on DPS, rezzing them once the danger has passed until the next inevitable round of death. They never said anything, leaving me to wonder what was going through their mind throughout the dungeon.
Ill never forget you, brave little thing, but may we never meet again.
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10-21-2021, 06:52 AMLexis
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10-21-2021, 08:24 AMEien713*shudder* Malikah's Hell (a befitting name, courtesy of Rein_eon_Osborne). Say no more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexis
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10-21-2021, 08:41 AMAlxyzntlctI agree with this; whenever I OT, I try to be in the #2 spot because if the MT goes down, thanks to GCD timing it could be a hot second or two before I can grab a boss, and even in that short of a time a healer or dps could have already been crunched, not to mention people panicking and running all over the place, causing the boss to run all over the place, which makes it all kinds of fun to get 'em back... I digress, I'm sure everyone gets the point, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Packetdancer
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10-21-2021, 09:00 AMKaoru_NagisaProvoke exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alxyzntlct
I agree with trying to stay #2 on aggro regardless, but I've rarely had issues the times I didn't have my stance on. MT goes down? Provoke, slap stance on, reposition. Most damage anyone will take in that brief second is maybe a small bite of health, if anything. -
10-21-2021, 10:01 AMDubiousDisk
Nah I have to rant about the run I just had.
Matoya's Relict, our DRK tank, clearly either playing the role for a quick queue or is new to tanking(I am assuming the former cause he has all tanks capped).
1) Never used any of his cooldowns except TBN and ONLY when he was about to die, never for tank busters.
2) During AOE, only used Stalwart Soul, yes you heard me, not Unmend->Stalwart, JUST STALWART
3) Kept spinning around like a beyblade, luring cone AOEs towards everyone else.
Eventually I got fed up and asked him to at the very least use some cooldowns, and he said:
" u say shit last sec, and my job is to hold mobs"
Keep in mind, this is after he had died 3 times so far, and we had asked him to stop big pulling and he didn't respond.
I just don't understand why people do this, like I get it, you want them quick queue times so you queue tank/healer, but PLEASE gain a basic understand of the job before you enter content so you don't end up creating unnecessary chaos in a run. And please, if someones gives you advice, don't get randomly hostile for no reason. -
10-21-2021, 10:02 AMMilkieTea
Wiped at 5% to the last boss of Labyrinth of the Ancients.
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10-21-2021, 11:06 AMMedrid
Mentor in trials roulette was wearing level 50 armor in Lakshmi, mostly Ironworks, but also an i90 AF hat. Right side was mostly level 60 gear, but...please :( They died to every AoE.
I think my soul exited my body.
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10-21-2021, 11:12 AMKaoru_Nagisa
Nice evening of T2 spam via BLU suicide bombers, but we scuffed what was supposed to be the final run of the night because one guy had bad RNG on the second node and got killed because everyone was a little tired and didn't hit it hard enough/no one used White Wind.
Rather than just respawn and run back to us (he would've caught up), dude decided to just lay there the whole time instead. Which meant we didn't have enough Final Sting power to kill ADS, and without Clemency access I didn't manage to stay up long enough to finish up the last little bite of HP it had even with Hallowed. Rather than make a second attempt (this was literally our last run for the night anyway), dude just up and leaves the duty entirely after complaining people didn't Missile hard enough or something (I don't play BLU so half of what they talked about over the course of the hour and a half runtime went over my head).
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10-21-2021, 11:41 AM_Pigzig
I think this happened in that Heavensward library dungeon.
I was unsynced with like level 50 gear from literally expansions ago. I had queued roulette without the gear needed if I landed on a current level dungeon. Healer was doing it for MSQ, also unsynced, watching cutscenes etc. Other DPS, I don't even know what he was doing, he disconnected a bunch of times and eventually got replaced after he gave up due to all the wipes.
I apologised for my gear at one point, but every time I died the DPS went from slow to straight up non-existent, so I don't know if I even should've. On one boss I died at like 5% and the tank and other DPS were still alive. Fight ends in a wipe after like a minute of the boss bar barely moving.
But the real problem wasn't any of this, this was just the icing. The real kicker was the tank. Maybe this tank bought the MSQ completion boost and only had experience in wall to walling level 80 dungeons mindlessly, I don't know. But the guy just ran into packs Leeroy Jenkins style, even after a wipe or healer watching cutscenes he didn't wait for anything and just threw himself back into mobs like the definition of insanity. At one point, healer is god knows where and he sprints through mobs to the next wall with just me and him(other DPS had dc'd again or something). He complains "its only two packs left" after dying. Runs back, does the SAME THING AGAIN after. Gotta go fast. A few times the healer or other dps catches up just in time to see him go down, so close yet so far.
Somehow we actually completed this dungeon, making slow progress on clearing trash through wipes. And toxicity was basically non existent, just a bit of frustration. Tank was fine on bosses, I doubt he played optimally but who cares, tank stance was on. The trash was the true boss of this run. It was kind of like playing a trust, if I died it was basically an auto wipe. No one else seemed to do any damage to anything. So we just progressed very very slowly. It got slightly better after the other disconnecting dps got replaced. Worst group I've seen in this game. Maybe I got what I deserved in this case. I will never expect carrys as DPS again. -
10-21-2021, 03:50 PMFrizzeSo BLM tends to be an easy class to see if someone is playing correctly(this doesnt mean they are playing well, just that they know the right types of buttons to hit). Ill not bore you with the in-depth version, but heres what to look for at a glance. Its normal for a BLM to spam spells, but they need to spam the right ones. Fire spells do by far the most damage, Ice and Thunder are for used other reasons(ice is part of our regen phase, our thunder spells are just DoTs to be refreshed every 20ish seconds). On a boss the BLM should be spamming Fire(up to level 59) or Fire 4(60+). AoE is a bit more complex, but if you dont see Flare(s) at 50+ they are doing it wrong. So a BLM spamming something else is almost certainly doing something wrong(the key is spamming, casting a couple spells is normal in an ice phase but the mage doing it right gets back into fire as soon as possible).Quote:
Originally Posted by Snorky
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10-21-2021, 09:52 PMRinhi
when you haven't done any expert dungeons because you've been busy levelling jobs and almost every single expert you did took more than 20 and usually around 25 minutes because your partymembers barely did the, well, bare minimum, but you decide to do one because you're bored
...and the 3 party members almost get outdamaged by tiamat and you almost do as much damage as all three combined. please. please press your buttons and look up rotations, I beg you... -
10-22-2021, 01:09 AMFrogDog
Syrcus Tower
I'm sure I'll get disagreed with on this, the guy who pulled didn't back me up but I'll put this here anyway because I feel like this "great community" don't pull garbage is going too far. Even after CT was made mandatory for the MSQ people still ran the raids normally (fast) and didn't wait for the inconsequential boss cutscene. This seems like a new development that's bled over from the Nier raids, which actually have a practical reason to wait to start the fight.
Pulling or waiting isn't a big deal either way, I think what bothers me the most about it is that some people decided that now everything has to be waited for, even ancient content, and they're going to police everyone's behavior over it. CT's status as the garbage raid for the fastest Alliance Roulette is kind of being ruined by these busybodies tbh.
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10-22-2021, 01:31 AMRinhi
the lengths people go to appear as white knights to others is baffling
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10-22-2021, 02:01 AMMaxCarnageWhaaaaat? But other threads about this sort of stuff says people never react like that!!! I am shocked and surprised!!! /endsarcasmQuote:
Originally Posted by FrogDog
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10-22-2021, 02:30 AMgotaname1Not sure why *glances at increase of playerbase* but crystal dc seems to be suffering from an increasing amount of toxic people. I want my old Crystal dc back! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by FrogDog
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10-22-2021, 02:48 AMSturmChurroI don't think I've ever seen people do this over Syrcus before. :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by FrogDog
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10-22-2021, 03:36 AMEien713
If the cutscenes are short, wouldn't hurt to wait for them. And just like what SturmChurro said, I've never seen this happen over CT raids.
Also, can we please stop the GCBTW and white-knighting memes? Nothing wrong with wanting a new player to have a good experience. What to me qualifies as white-knighting is when people jump in to defend someone who is actually in the wrong. -
10-22-2021, 04:02 AMweebtextLet me guess, none of the people complaining about pulling were sprouts.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrogDog
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10-22-2021, 04:14 AMFrogDogAs far as I saw, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by weebtext
I've been running a lot of Syrcus because this is what I get for not doing BLU content and it's not every run that I see people calling out not to pull, but it's close to half. I've been mixing in some Amaurots for my sanity but I probably should have just leveled BLU - I'll have it leveled next time there's a moogle event for sure. -
10-22-2021, 04:32 AMCubsbane
It's weird to see people complain about pulling quickly in Crystal Tower raids, especially if it's something like Xande. What will they miss? We outgear everything so much there's barely anything worth noting. It's not like the big mechanics will go out before they can load in. The only thing I'd want to wait for is if both healers in an alliance are in CS (mainly if their tank is MTing).
I'm a huge proponent of waiting for cutscene-viewers but there's honestly no point in making any sort of fuss for these. Now, next expac when stats get squished, there might be stuff to wait for. (Before anyone accuses me of making stuff up, this was addressed in woops's interview with YoshiP.)
By the way, I've also noticed the more-than-usual lack of interrupts being used by tanks. I've seen chimeras, the mini xande in WoD, and those fuath tethers all get ignored while I cry because I'm leveling a melee job and have no way to prevent the disaster I'm about to see unfold. -
10-22-2021, 04:36 AMFrogDog
Maybe the stat squish will make people pay attention more too. I feel like in some instances people ran CT better back during the HW expansion. For example, during HW I always saw people tank the bone dragon in the center and healers just heal through the skeletons. Now people pull off to a side and I've actually seen people die if too many skeletons blow up. It feels slower than the old method for sure and I wonder if it's just because a fair amount of people end up just standing around semi-afk
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10-22-2021, 05:13 AMMaxCarnageI see this happen in CT raids all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eien713
Also, I'd like to add, you can't just change the definition of white knight to suit your needs. A white knight is someone with an unwavering need to aid others who may or may not need aiding. The key indicator being "may not". If someone needs help, sure. But these people who get nasty about cutscenes, they're not the sprout. And the sprout doesn't say anything. I have only ever seen a sprout complain about someone pulling early once in the entirety of my 2 years playing. But I have lost count of the amount of times people with no relation to the sprout step up on their behalf (and the sprout still doesn't say anything!)
Now I'm not saying this just goes for people defending sprouts. It can be prevalent on both sides of any disagreement. The biggest thing to take into consideration about whether you, or someone else, is being a "white knight" is if the help that is being "offered" is solicited or not. A lot of sprouts don't seem to care. I know I've seen quiet a large amount even on the forums saying they don't care either way. Yet you still feel the need to defend them. -
10-22-2021, 06:24 AMEien713I do know the actual meaning for it, but people treat it like it's always a bad thing, when to me, it's not. If you're standing up for someone being bullied or treated unfairly, then white-knighting isn't a bad thing. So my definition for it is an adaptation based on the way the community seems to define/view it. I'm yet to see anyone use the term white-knighting in a positive way.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaxCarnage
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10-22-2021, 06:28 AMTheMightyMollusk
Didn't we just have a big thread about this a couple days ago? Can we not do it again? Or at least move it back over there so it doesn't clog up two threads?
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10-22-2021, 06:35 AMHaustiSince we already had a thread about pulling during cutscenes not so long ago, i will just repeat myself:Quote:
Originally Posted by FrogDog
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Originally Posted by Hausti
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10-22-2021, 07:00 AMCubsbaneOh man, my friend just sent me a screenshot she took of people lying around dead in Labyrinth because the dragon was in the middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrogDog
I actually prefer when it's in the middle when I'm on healer because I get to do more than Medica II and sometimes Esuna in between smacking the dragon with rocks and wind.
I hate saying this because every time I do it sounds like I'm being elitist, so I need everyone to understand that I am an average to below-average healer, but it is not difficult to heal through this stuff. I'd understand if it was mostly sprouts struggling, but it isn't. -
10-22-2021, 07:49 AMHatfright
Well. Never before I wiped on ARR Shiva till today. Went there with my alt on SCH, tank who grabbed the boss first kept turning her around and cleaved people. When asked to stay put and not spinning the boss, they just snarked back on us. After a wipe got people cleaved again. Second tank tried to provoke, but it goes both ways, so had to stay close to the edge of the arena to be safe. Call me toxic, but not healing said cleaving tank was nice.
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10-22-2021, 08:07 AMSnorkyGood for you! Seriously there have been a lot of that lately, tanks spinning bosses. What is up with that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hatfright
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10-22-2021, 08:14 AMTheMightyMollusk
Had a tank trying to spin Titan.....right until he ran into a Landslide and got pitched off the edge. Praise Father Titan!
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10-22-2021, 08:17 AMAlmandaragalSeriously. Like, I got bored of DPS queue times (leveling the last two jobs to 80, both are DPS), so I decided to use the moogle tome event to brush up on healing a bit again by doing Amourot when I'm burnt out on waiting. Since I haven't healed anything outside of early HW in awhile, I actually bothered to take Trusts there to get a feel for the mob composition again before I burdened players. Even so, I still gave them a heads up that I hadn't healed in a bit. It's not super difficult to at least re-read tooltips or watch a 5 min video or something if you're going to take on a role that requires some presence of mind (... err, no pun intended).Quote:
Originally Posted by DubiousDisk
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Which brings me to the actual Amourot run I did. We spawn in, I had the heads up already typed and ready to send, and did so before the barrier lifted. Me on WHM, GNB as tank, and SMN + DRG as DPS. First pack seems small, but then I remember you can't do more than that on the first pack in Amourot, because the second pack spawns a bit after the first/once you do enough damage or whatever. But it's when the second pack spawns that I realize something is off. Bomb tethers to DRG and they're running around like Greg's enkidu with its head cut off. Okay, so, probably first time, not a big deal. Crap's taking awhile to die, but okay, it's whatever. I have enough oGCD healing to deal with the lack of lilies on the first pull.
As we move on though, I realize that I'm doing more damage than the DRG. As a healer. A rusty healer who's like, forgetting to hit assize for 5-10 seconds after CD is up sometimes. We get to the first boss, caterpillar type with the rocks and falling wall. DRG eats the first meteor. Eh, happens to the best of us. We see two, almost three falling walls. We keep going, crap seems to be dying slowly, I'm still 3rd in damage, and we get to bird. Nothing crazy here, but it certainly feels similar to when I just ran it with trusts, because the adds just die so slow.
Finally, getting to the last set of pulls, with all the big boys and the final boss trying to snipe you. Again, super slow. We did get a bit of a laugh on the last batch, though. Crap was coming down to near the end of the last pack, I'm all out of lily heals and all my oGCDs besides bene (Tank is good, it's just taking so long that despite the high self sustain, we can't keep up). One of the DPS is almost dead, AND so is the tank. Boss probably hit someone. Pretty sure it was DRG, but I can't be sure. I go to bene tank and... I apparently targeted the DPS. Immediately start mousing to swift, and I see super go off. Oh thank goodness. Pop a cure II, divine benison, and get a lily back so finish up that way. The tank and I have a laugh because they didn't want to super right after a bene, and I, well, did the dumb.
Get to the last boss, and this is were it gets fun. DRG fully eats every single laser that wasn't apokalypsis. Like, any time the heads came out, they would get hit-- and not move. First time I dropped a heal on them, but they didn't move and just died. Okay, maybe they're just slow to move, so I'd drop a regen when the lasers were coming up, so they'd have that buffer. Died to the next one. Fine, but you're waiting until the next apokalypsis so I can hard raise you. Do that, and next laser, dead. I'm not hard raising you again, you're waiting for swift. Then they're up, because our beast of a SMN pulled them up. Only to die again shortly thereafter. At this point we're down to the last bits of platform where you end up if you do crap DPS. Like, we just barely got to this point in my Trust run, and we still have a good bit left here. By the time it was all over, I'm left scratching my head, comming the SMN who managed to raise our floortank multiple times and still do good DPS, and wonder how I did 1.5x the damage of a DPS while having to constantly expend all of my healing resources just to attempt to keep them alive.
Best part? All in HQ Exarchic gear. Must have been a job skip, because only DRG was 80, and anything that was otherwise unlocked was at it's unlock level (MCH 30, GNB/DNC 60, etc). I mean, I got two comms, but it still just felt odd. Gonna have to run again to see how much was that bad experience versus me needing to get better. -
10-23-2021, 10:32 AMSilvarer
Holy cow, this monk I just had in my Dzmael Darkhold group... He was terrible. I don't know if he didn't speak English or was on a console or was trolling or what but he didn't respond at all when we would tell him things like to attack the crystals when the last boss targets them because he goes invulnerable. Dude just stayed on the boss the entire time running around in circles while attacking. He also pulled the first boss and proceeded to run all around the room with it instead of taking it into the light of the crystals. I was the healer so I just let him die that time so the boss would come over to the tank, who was waiting where he was supposed to. Also when we wiped on the last boss on the first try, he just stayed on the ground instead of releasing and running back like the rest of us did. I was considering just voting to kick him at that point but didn't since we were almost done anyway.
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10-23-2021, 12:22 PMKaoru_Nagisa
Loaded into an in-prog Puppet's Bunker on my WHM since I needed a coin and was hoping WHM would get better queue times than I've been having for the Nier raids today on my PLD. They're at third boss, I load in right in time before the gate shuts, etc. Stuff's fine.
Notice the BLM is off in Narnia.
Now normally, I don't go out of my way to heal people who are that far away from the group - if my AoEs can't reach them or I can't slap them with a Lily easily, then they best move closer or hope I have to run nearer for a mechanic. However, this BLM was top DPS the entire time, so I decided to pay extra attention to keep them living and let them continue to pump damage into things. Benisons, some targeted heals when I needed to, positioned myself so my AoEs were hitting them, etc. Rescue'd them once when they weren't moving for the big room-wide stuff, it let them get close enough to Manip to me to get to actual safety since they were on the opposite side of the room beforehand.
I continue this special treatment all the way through bullet hell hallway, because they were continuing to be top DPS through that despite how movement-heavy it is. I'll gladly go out of my way to protect someone pushing that much damage on a literal turret class who thrives on minimal movement.
Last boss comes up, things are going fine. Second Pod thing goes out, with the room-wide box AoEs and you gotta find the safe zone. I misjudged where they were and Rescue'd them to where the rest of the raid was, which I knew was safe - but turns out they had been in a safe zone as well anyway. I apologized profusely, because I saw they had Leylines out so I know how every moment in that thing is precious.
Keep in mind they had already died once (because a tank ran over them with one of the busters, and Manaward + Benison was not enough to save them), and had collected a few vulns that some Benisons had helped shave some damage off of. I'd also continued to babysit him with special targeted heals the whole time, despite him making every effort to stay in Narnia.
What do I get at the end? "This job is already hard enough, don't make it harder."
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10-23-2021, 12:34 PMAlestorm
Healed Castrum earlier and had my co-healer DC post second boss and both tanks decide to make a big charge to the guns leading up to 3rd boos. Safe to say they died and not because I wouldn't heal them; it was more them liking to stand in all the orange they could and not use a single CD. I got attacked by the main tank for not only being a mentor, but having all classes to 80 and "still suck at healing". I main healer and have pulled miracles off before, but tanks die once because they don't know how to use their CD's and I'm trash.... I sometimes hate playing healer because of people like this.
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10-23-2021, 12:41 PMKolainaI don’t want to discredit your story. Not my intention. Maybe the tanks or at least 1 had gotten stunned by the death claw? I’ve had that happen as a tank on that pull quite a few times. Died cause I couldn’t get out of the bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alestorm
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10-23-2021, 10:56 PMGararrFun fact for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
You can not release in T2 after the initial 15 second lockout. I'm not sure if it applies to the 15seconds after you engage in combat as well (I think it does but honestly I cant remember)
Attempting to blame him for not releasing when you have:
1) a leech PLD tank in the group
2) 6 BLU's that didnt slot or use Angel's whisper
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10-23-2021, 11:26 PMKaoru_Nagisa"A leech PLD" I mean I'm there to make sure they aren't getting Interrupted and eaten, and to Interrupt High Voltage if it happens, as well as kill the thing if by some miracle it survives on 2% HP - but sure buddy. Also was invited to do it on my PLD by my BLU friend, so if you want to blame someone for "leeching", blame the person inviting the so-called "leecher".Quote:
Originally Posted by Gararr
Didn't know that about T2 though, so makes a bit more sense. The dude passive-aggressively malding about stuff though and full on dropping group instead of just running through it again (which would have taken a minute, at most) wasn't necessary, though. -
10-23-2021, 11:32 PMGararrImagine if you were on BLU instead and just final stung, you'd easily overcome that 2%, quicker. The mobs are not given a chance to attack in an 8 BLU party with all 8 BLU's using missile. If it does attack at all, it is non-lethal damage due to the high ilevel provided by being max ilevel in level 50 tier 1 content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
So yes, taking a Tank is a leech, even when they tell themselves they are not leeches. And that's fine - 7 BLU's works just as well, but you are kidding yourself if you believe that you are somehow a valuable part of the party outside of being the leader.
I'd have to see the actual chat to comment on this, but I agree. Malding and ditching isn't the best way to go. Still, it sounds like there were other issues. If the other 6 BLU's weren't using Missile, you should -never- have a reason to use White Wind in these fights. The damage shouldn't exist in a proper speedrun group, but as you said - they were playing a bit sloppy. And that happens sometimes.Quote:
Didn't know that about T2 though, so makes a bit more sense. The dude passive-aggressively malding about stuff though and full on dropping group instead of just running through it again (which would have taken a minute, at most) wasn't necessary, though.
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10-23-2021, 11:33 PMMilkieTeaHonestly tanks arent necessary at ALL for t2 spam runs - That "2%" is avoided by just having another BLU. It goes faster as well. Longest T2 run I've done was 52 seconds, typical T2 run for me is 39 seconds with 8 BLUs. You may not be leeching but you're essentially redundant. I mean no harm by that, btw, it's just kinda how it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
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10-23-2021, 11:42 PMKaoru_NagisaImagine me not having BLU leveled and getting invited to run it on tank by my BLU friend, who stated that it was easier than finding a BLU who could lick a tank.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gararr
It's on my to-do list, but when a friend invites me to something, I'm not about to rush out and spend hours getting BLU set up just so some random person on a forum doesn't think I'm a leecher, lol. And frankly, we had enough firepower as it was - even with someone who was new and bad at BLU (she learned a lot by the end though! Which was nice to see, seemed super excited about the job after). No one had an issue with it either, so even if it was redundant having one in there as Milkie said above, I genuinely don't think it matters nearly as much as you're trying to make it out to.
I haven't played BLU yet so I honestly can't comment on the skill stuff. Everyone except one newbie BLU had missile, but I think someone was trying to use L5 Death on the first Node? And it missed. Everyone tended to pile on the door so by the time people noticed it wasn't dead, it was on top of us and doing an AoE. I had aggro on it and tried to move it away, but I guess everyone was tired or forgot to heal since it did another AoE that the dude didn't move out of, which killed him. He was silent the whole time up until ADS wiped us, at which point he got passive aggressive and dropped instantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gararr
Wasn't the first time we had some slip-ups during the hour and a half we were in there, so that reaction was just really unnecessary and pointless to us. But everyone had a good time otherwise, at least. Still more efficient than PVP!
No harm taken. Normally I wouldn't have joined them since I don't have BLU leveled, but friend invited me and I've been seeing a lot of 1 tank 7 BLU parties on Crystal anyway. We were still doing about 50~ second runs, a minute at most if someone's RNG was bad or people were lagging behind a bit. Nothing anyone complained about, that's for sure. Even had time for fun conversation in between, which was nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilkieTea
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10-24-2021, 02:31 AMGararrHonestly you're too defensive about this. It's a case where if the other 7 are fine with a leech, who bloody cares? Call a spade a spade and be done with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
I don't think -either- of us need to be butting heads on this one. XD My appologies if the term leech comes off as offensive, I don't mean it in a negative aspect. Just that there's really no good term for 'Random 8th member who doesn't really contribute anything but hell, why not? It can be done with 7."