Yours happened to be the latest post and I didn't feel like digging around to quote everything beforehand when it was super early in the morning. Believe what you want tbh, I genuinely can't even be assed to care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herebedragons
Though point still stands, if you pop sprint and position against a wall, a dps should rarely be ahead of you. Doesn't mean the RDM wasn't an idiot for not bringing mobs back with them rather than running off, but yeah.
Also things will be "done" the moment you stop bothering to respond. But you feel a need to keep responding to people saying they didn't read or trying to defend yourself, which is perpetuating the conversation. And in the above case... Rinhi didn't even quote you or was speaking about you. So...
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09-21-2021, 08:38 PMKaoru_Nagisa
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09-21-2021, 08:51 PMHerebedragonsYou don't care, yet you quoted me. Funny that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
SavageCipher was talking about my original post. This whole thing has been going off of my original post. I would rather just let it rest, but I will respond as long as I deem it necessary. -
09-21-2021, 09:05 PMKaoru_NagisaI mean, that's how conversations on the forum happen. You quote me, if I feel like responding I will, if not, I won't. Not sure if you're aware people can carry on a conversation without actual emotions behind it. This is basically the equivalent of me reading the newspaper in the morning. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Quote:
Originally Posted by Herebedragons
And so we come to the hypocrisy: you want it to rest, and the best way to do that is stop quoting people complaining they didn't read or what have you. But instead, you're continuing to respond, which can prompt others to respond in kind. So you're kinda just perpetuating the issue you claim you want to let rest, my dude. But at this point most posts are in response to SavageCipher's incredibly warped and out-of-touch take on the tank role, not to you and your original post.
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I have been busy leveling through the expansions on an alt lately, so my time in DF has been pretty nonexistent other than some Nier runs here and there. But yesterday I did a few roulettes for some poetics on said alt, landed into Syrcus since that's.... uh. The only raid she has unlocked. <<; (I've been speeding through expacs trying to get her ready for EW, haven't grabbed much outside MSQ stuff as a result lol)
To say the bosses were Beyblades would be an understatement. I'm pretty sure all three tanks were having a provoke war wank-off the entire time, and on Amon that resulted a few times in people getting burned by that frontal cleave he does. Add in people not killing the slimes on that boss, and... well. Thankfully my group survived because of AST shields (rip Noct sect in a couple months), but that's a nightmare I'll not soon want repeats of.
Still not as bad as the WoD I got once, where my party's tank refused to give up MT despite the fact they were consistently getting people killed and wiggling bosses around. They were also made of wet tissue paper, apparently - my coheal ended up having to drop dpsing altogether just to keep them up. I didn't think to check their gear, but if they were taking that much damage so quickly, I can only assume it was bad. Thankfully at one point when they died to Doom on Angry Mango for like the third time, my coheal stopped trying to res them and a more competent tank took over...
Only for the whole process to repeat again on every boss after. They even tried to tank Cerberus despite us being the belly team. :| -
09-21-2021, 09:29 PMHerebedragonsIndeed it is! Which is exactly why I respond to you when you instigate me, "my dude" ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
Doesn't mean that my wish to see everyone move on makes me a hypocrite. Others have already said that this topic irritates them, not to mention that this thread isn't about tank etiquette.
Still, as long as I have something to say I will say it. If it's not to your liking then you're free to stop responding too. -
09-21-2021, 09:37 PMNishiraI hope you don’t feel responsible for creating the discussion. You’re not, you vented and what you described simply is annoying. I think everyone agreed on that at least :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Herebedragons
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09-21-2021, 09:37 PMKaoru_NagisaHey, I'm only here until my work shift starts, and then you're free to either yell into the abyss or drop your own topic like you keep claiming you want! You keep quoting me, so while I'm around I humor it; if you think that's "instigating", that's on you. Don't like it, don't continue the convo! Pretty simple, I'd think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herebedragons
But yes, it isn't the thread topic - which is why I edited with a couple quick stories I had from what little DFing I've done lately. But here you are, dragging it off topic again because you just have to get the last word in, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, it wasn't him who got the topic of that toxic mentality started. He was just unfortunately the post that set someone off into ranting about it, which ended up with others either assuming he was complicit in the idea or they were responding blanketly to the topic that got raised to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nishira
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09-21-2021, 09:42 PMHerebedragonsHonestly, I do...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nishira
Right back at you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
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09-21-2021, 09:58 PMKaoru_NagisaPoint proven, lmao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herebedragons
Anyway, it's off to work with me for the day. Capitalism grind is real. :c -
09-21-2021, 10:35 PMBellsong
"I swear I'm not just trying to get the last word in okay?! YOU keep replying to ME!!" lmao
Anyways, I really haven't had to bad of a time in DF recently, besides a sorta scuffed world of darkness run. Surprisingly no one got salty in chat so that was a nice surprise. -
09-21-2021, 10:50 PMHerebedragonsHey, it takes two to tango ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellsong
A lot of first timer sprouts in that raid lately, it's nice when everyone stays cool. Because oh boy sometimes it gets hectic. -
09-21-2021, 11:24 PMRinhi
the sprouts are usually the ones that don't fuck WoD up from my experience, it's usually the vets or mentors that either straight up afk or press a button once a minute while they wait at the gate to continue
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09-22-2021, 12:28 AMJettinsonSeems to be the case, think people treating WoD as Syrcus Tower is what damages a lot on these.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinhi
Either i get people immediately leaving or just playing without caring.
It is annoying because there are always new players there and I wish them the best lol -
09-22-2021, 12:46 AMSavageCipherQuote:
Originally Posted by Herebedragons
If its a forum poster with over 1k posts...expect them to REALLY care. Could they be busy playing the game? Sure, but twitter fingers syndrome sets in, and they have to have the last word, vent, or expresses themselves ad nauseum. Its nothing new, from WoW to FF, if you're on a general discussion thread, expect the "mature" response to not really be mature at all, and several goal post changing. Que sera -
09-22-2021, 01:02 AMSavageCipherCalling someone childish and toxic...yeah nothing ironic or immature there. Ultimately I addressed all the points that matter, blah blah, yes, if you run into me, okay enabler, you've said your peace, now go outside, get a donut, go play the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
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09-22-2021, 01:05 AMSavageCipherQuote:
Originally Posted by Rinhi
You clearly lack reading comprehension, or you're cherry picking a post and switching the narrative, sorry dude, not falling for the banana in the tail pipe. Said DPS was told not to pull, pulled anyway, got team wiped. If you're defending this, you're the problem with the game, stop enabling. Do better, teach. Holy trinity works, and is always the go-to for raids with FC's....prove me wrong instead of quoting just to look for my attention. -
09-22-2021, 01:07 AMNishiraYou should have seen my first (and only..) run of WoD. First boss I kept dying because I really didn’t understand the fight. The guide I had looked up beforehand did a rather crappy job of explaining it lol. Rest went fine but gods, that first boss… I still feel embarrassed and guilty towards the poor group and fellow healer who got stuck with me! Sorry again group!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rinhi
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09-23-2021, 06:40 AMRae88The "you pull it, you tank it" motto was a thing in WoW classic, because the player who pulled a mob is granted an enmity bonus which makes it incredibly difficult for the tank to take back aggro no matter what they did. Especially considering how hard aggro was to keep normally, which is why groups would let their tank build threat before attacking. In a group of 6 the average tank might get aggro back on 2, possibly. Hence "you pull it, you're tanking it".Quote:
Originally Posted by SavageCipher
In modern WoW and FFXIV there's actually no reason anymore for the motto. People may hold on to it out of preference, but considering there's no longer any reason for it then it's no longer a hard and fast rule. Some players like or don't mind having the DPS pull for them because it just ends up being quicker overall. Some people do mind. Personally when I'm tanking it doesn't bother me, I don't mind if the DPS grabs more mobs, I don't mind if a healer rescues me down the hallway because I'm slow. But when I played WoW classic the hunter pulling next to me drove me crazy and almost to tears because I COULD NOT get aggro back no matter what I did. I almost said some very horrible things to them...
But yes, DPS shouldn't distress their tanks though by doing what the RDM did. That's going too far.
You're perfectly fine :) It's usually the first boss in WoD that causes groups major problems, it's completely normal :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Nishira
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09-23-2021, 07:19 AMRhyagelle
Duty Finder for Aurum Vale is never disappointing. lol
My friend and I just go out of AV. My friend's the tank. Healer is a Scholar. Other DPS is an archer (might have been machinist), and I was a Summoner. Multiple times throughout the fight, both DPS (me and archer) died, and tank was left to go down to very low HP every time (like 600 range). Tank had to save himself with potions several times because Scholar wouldn't heal. We got to the room after first fruit morbol and I died again there because Scholar was too mesmerized with attacking the enemies than to heal people (note, I was avoiding orange attacks, just healer kept pulling baby morbols on us). I knew a heal wasn't coming and that was the third time it happened. Tank and I asked them why they aren't healing and he said "mechanics allow me to wait until last minute so im doing good". I pointed out that several of us have died numerous times because he won't heal, so maybe he isn't, and he said "am I supposed to do tanks job too?". I told him "no, just healers' job". Fights go on. We get to end boss. He's attacking and not healing either DPS, and continues to only heal tank when he's about to die. I was near death again, waiting for cure, nothing. So I said "That's alright, I'll heal myself Scholar.". And throughout the fight, I had to maintain both DPS (me and archer) with my pathetic little physick and had to occasionally heal tank, too.
If people don't want to heal, they shouldn't take the class. It's that simple, really. -
09-23-2021, 07:59 AMEgilTheStressedMage
My Ruby EX Gwiber farms have gone like this: someone always doesn't remember/never did the fight and wants an easy clear, troll gets the gwiber then wastes the time of everyone in the group and a slot for a player who knows what they're doing, gwiber doesn't drop at all (seventeen in a row so far), and people quit after the first clear. Also still relying on the damn Echo by wiping at the start of the second phase. Last night we would have wiped if I was any slower getting to this fool's spot for meteors when he was in mine. At fifty seven totems.
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09-23-2021, 10:27 AMSiriusCrescentQuote:
Originally Posted by Rhyagelle
To me that reads like that Healer was convinced group wide damage does not exist and that if a DPS is eating damage it's the tanks fault (Since the healer said "Should I do tanks job too"). They will hopefully not get far with that attitude. -
09-23-2021, 07:29 PMFrizzeDid the scholar not have a faerie out? I know AV is the high end of ARR leveling dungeons, but the faerie should have at least tossed a couple heals your way throughout the run. Rough either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyagelle
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09-23-2021, 08:19 PMJettinson
Aurum Vale is the pretty much the embodiment of RNG experience with all roles.
But when nothing bad happens it is probably the best dungeon to feel good.
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09-23-2021, 09:45 PMKaoru_Nagisa
Ignoring that one person malding in their basement about inane things-- couple of stories.
One is my own: I finally land at the Titania trial on my MSQ alt.
We load in with a few sprouts, at least two of whom I assume were boosters. My assumption is confirmed by at least one - a WHM in unglamoured boost coffer gear who is off in the corner spamming Cure 3 on themselves, even when no damage is going out. When they aren't doing that, they're wiggling around... waiting for stuff to happen, I guess?
I want to also point out they only used Cure 3. For anything. No Medica 2, no Lilies, no Tetra, not even Cure 2. Sometimes they'd throw out a Benison... after damage went off.
No dps to speak of either - until I called them out for running around doing nothing while our other WHM was dpsing their heart out, at least. Ofc that WHM was also the one doing the majority of actual useful healing, since they were staying grouped up with the party rather than off in Narnia.
Considering we had some low damage due to one of the bards dying during the Mustard/Puck/Pease phase twice, and Puck+Pease killing one of the tanks because the other didn't pick one up... I'm surprised we managed to get past the dps check. To say I, my NIN dance partner, the other WHM, and the other BRD were carrying damage is an understatement.
Floor got set on fire though because the booster WHM ran out of their water circle right before the countdown finished. That was fun.
The MT also decided to spend from the adds phase up to the end of the trial arguing about kill order for the mobs, despite there being a reason most people kill Mustard > Puck > Pease in that order. He died because he was typing the whole time, obviously.
Titania continues to be a nightmare trial, but at least I only needed to do it the once before moving on.
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The other story is from a friend of mine who ran into... either some very mentally deranged person, or a troll.
They landed in Anyder for roulettes, upon which a DRG asked if people could pass on stuff if they didn't need the gear upgrade. My friend, half-meme'ing, said they'd be rolling greed on everything. The DRG proceeded to rant about how rude they were being and how they needed it more to "rebuild Doma" (... ok buddy). They literally, within a few messages at the start of the dungeon, began asking the other players to kick my friend (she was on a dps) because she was "being rude" by exercising her right to Greed roll if she wants to (she needs GC seals). After my friend won the first coffer's rolls over them, they lost their mind and once again asked people to kick her because she was "making accusations" when she asked him to stop harassing her.
Also the typical garbage "wow you aren't doing something ~nice~? must be from WoW" drivel that this game's community sometimes likes to spout.
Then the penultimate showing: they finally drop out (good riddance) with the statement "i'm LEAVING. good luck without me"
... They were barely doing anything the entire dungeon, and died at least once during a mob pull because they were too busy typing and stood in an AoE.
Leaving the chatlog here for posterity, but man; genuinely can't tell if troll attempt or someone was just really Like That.
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09-23-2021, 10:15 PMRinhi
I don't use reddit much, if at all, but just look at tales of DF on there and you'll see some absolute specimen in some of those screens
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09-23-2021, 11:22 PMByonkaI love this community. I really hope the tank reached out to that player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
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09-24-2021, 09:02 AMKageTokageTo this day, I'm not entirely sure why people settled into this kill order when Mustardseed is the least threatening of the three adds in both phases...assuming people know how to dodge basic telegraphed AoEs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
He does not auto-attack or throw out any unavoidable AoEs, and his AoEs will still happen even after he's been KO'd in phase 2. For purposes of minimizing raid damage Peaseblossom > Puck > Mustardseed is better as only the first of the three has unavoidable AoE in phase 1, and in phase 2 they'll stop auto-attacking once their HP has been depleted.
I can only assume that the kill order in Extreme (Where Mustardseed needs to die first because he starts casting a party-wipe AoE after just a few mechanics) bled into normal out of force of habit despite being less then ideal. -
09-24-2021, 11:44 AMICountFrom0
I'd say both EX bleed out, and because mustard IS the least dangerous. Because two are being tanked, the third has to be not tanked, so you leave mustard untanked and burn mustard.
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09-24-2021, 01:57 PMRae88The community really needs to get over their WoW phobia. It's long past the irritation stage and is becoming genuinely, deeply toxicQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
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09-24-2021, 03:14 PMSusuu
I experienced one thing since I came back afther a one year break and that is the DPS pulling mobs...
I really want to know if I'm the only one who bugs that or if I'm just overreacting and this is a thing that just happens and the tank has to deal with it?
Even its so obviously the healer has trouble to keep the tank alive, the dps bashes foreward and keep pulling more mobs -.- -
09-24-2021, 03:16 PMAwhaSorry for harping on a dead horse but one point. People cannot pull ahead of you if you do not let them. :P Just got to be quicker W2W is not just a playstyle it is a way a of life. Hold W till something stops ya either death or a wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herebedragons
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09-24-2021, 03:27 PMRowdeIt's faster and simpler to just buy up all the crap ppl are selling on the MB for vendor or LESS THAN VENDOR and then donate that to doma for a profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
Could mention that in the future if some derp ever brings it up again.
Asking ppl to pass on all gear is a little bananas... I even go a little side-eye when ppl ask to pass on a specific piece of gear when they're not playing the job that can need... but if it's just one piece I generally just 'ehhhh' and pass on it. -
09-24-2021, 03:49 PMRein_eon_OsborneThat's one rare find. Your FCmate handled that pretty well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa
Personally I just autopilot need and greed everything else.
The only time I passed is when people are pleading for 1 specific piece from a capstone dungeon. We all know how awful RNG can be in capstone dungeon and the fact we are not guaranteed a piece of our chosen class from a clear run.
Also what's wrong with these people kept mentioning WoW-this WoW-that whenever something remotely inconvenient obstruct their 'way of having fun'? -_- -
09-24-2021, 03:55 PMHerebedragonsClearly, you aren't sorry, Zombie Horse!Quote:
Originally Posted by Awha
Look, I sprint while I pull. If I waste it just to stay ahead of every single moron in the game, I can't sprint while I pull. It's less of a problem when there's a peloton-bot in the party (it's usually me :D), but there wasn't one.
And after another weird experience in Akadaemia Anyder where the healer decided to take a tea and twitter break while I was rushing through the first big pull, it has been brought to my attention that no matter what you do, someone will be dissatisfied and tell you that you screwed up. So yeah, I'll just do what I want from now on! -
09-24-2021, 04:49 PMAwhaWhat I am saying is if you are pulling quickly then what exactly does an inpatient dps or healer have to pull? Sure you are right some people will never be satisfied but overall unless you are doing something grossly out the norm you should generally have more positive or neutral experiences when it comes to tanking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herebedragons
From experience issues of people pulling from the tank stem from needless downtime, most people are self-aware when a group cannot handle larger pulls and will play accordingly. Sure you will run into outliers but as mentioned on a general bases if you are playing properly as a tank your negative experiences should be few and far in between. So keep it up.
:) You will rarely end up with healers like me that will use rescue like a leash and once 5 min pass remove the slow tank. -
09-24-2021, 11:45 PMKaoru_NagisaQuote:
Originally Posted by KageTokage
Most people don't know how to get out of basic avoidable AoE, to be fair. But yes, it's primarily a holdover from EX where Mustard has to die first; much easier to transition from storymode to EX if you teach the same thing for both.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICountFrom0
And even people who have no intention of stepping foot into Titania EX follow this, from what I've seen - Crystal DC is the most casual of casual DCs, and yet I've never (until then) seen someone get upset about the kill order of Mustard > Puck > Pease before, in all the years since the trial was first dropped. The most I see is newbies unsure which to hit first, which is why I tend to pre-mark and mention the add kill order at the start. It also helps newbie tanks know to pick up Puck and Pease and keep them away so people who are killing Mustard aren't getting hit with cleaves from a singular tank trying to aggro all of them.
Seen way too many wipes because you'd have 2 DPS on Mustard, 1 on Puck, and the last one + the tanks and heals on Pease. :|
WoW lives rent-free in most people's heads and it's honestly ridiculous. Game tribalism is stupid, has always been stupid, will always be stupid. And former WoW players who remain obsessed with it like a bad breakup they can't get over are arguably even worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rae88
Honestly I think my friend was just so floored by someone actually acting like this like... for real, in real time, that they didn't really know what to respond with. Though to be fair, she was also focused on actually playing the game and carrying the party DPS, since that DRG certainly wasn't helping. I think all three of them were, considering the tank was barely responding as well and the healer just said absolutely nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowde
But yeah. Normally if someone wants a specific item, I don't mind passing on it unless I too want that specific item. I, myself, tend to try and ask politely if I end up in a dungeon or raid where I wanted a specific piece for a job I didn't queue on (since you never know what roulette's gonna give you). If I don't get it or people aren't willing to pass, that's fine; sometimes you get lucky though and people are cool about it.
But asking people to pass on every single drop in a dungeon just so you can use it for something that has numerous other ways you can progress it with is just... the sheer amount of idiocy and selfishness astounded me. And then to throw a tantrum when someone's like "eh I'll greed them too since I also have need of them" is just. No words, honestly.
We're both genuinely still wondering if that guy was just trolling for whatever reason. I want to say they were, just from how quickly they escalated to trying to get her kicked, but man... you never know, with this community.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne
But yeah, unless someone speaks up asking for a specific drop, I just kind of slap need/greed on instinct. GC seals never go out of style.
Much as I agree with your sentiment, Awha, it ain't worth bringing up and arguing circles about again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Awha
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09-25-2021, 03:49 AMCubsbane
Weird adventures in Weeping City.
In Forgall, we have a lot of deaths, as expected. People are explaining that you have to stand in the green goo for a debuff to survive Mega Death in Alliance chat. Keep in mind, this is explained multiple times, by a few different people, by the time most of the raid is dead.
The goo drops again, Forgall gets ready for Mega Death. Healer rescues mentor(!) DRG into puddle. DRG immediately backflips out of the puddle and dies. I do mean immediately. At first I thought maybe he was intending on jumping into it but got rescued, but then realized it would be impossible because of the direction he jumped out of. Went "[name] why" in chat. "Sorry I haven't done this one in a while".
Yes that's why people were explaining in chat and you got rescued.
Had a healer in my alliance who kept me up tanking him for quite a long time, though. I was DPS. That was fun.
Then in Ozma, an entire Alliance died. I'm not sure how, honestly. Nobody was talking about it in chat, at least not that I could see. Made me sweat a lil. -
09-25-2021, 05:20 AMKatie_KittyWhy do you think you must be ahead of everyone at all times? You really don't... If you're not pulling, then why does it matter? It doesn't at all. I recommend that you drop the ego and focus on getting through the content.Quote:
Originally Posted by Herebedragons
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09-25-2021, 01:08 PMkiagenwalol just went through it yesterday. Had no idea about the goo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cubsbane
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09-25-2021, 03:02 PMVyrerus
Been off playing FFXI again, except for checking in on my submarines. They finally brought back the Cocobolo Lumber, so it was time for me to get some GC Seals for the mountains of Coke and Hardened Sap and stuff I was going to need to make Modified Submarine parts. To dungeons I go! I was also in the process of getting Captain rank in all 3 GCs, so I needed seals for promo too.
Queued into leveling roulette on WHM, get Bardam's Mettle. Tank pulls first two groups. No cooldowns, and managed to die before my first Holy stunned all of the monsters with a Regen and Divine Benison on.
I felt kinda bad, cause I hadn't played in some weeks, so I said my Bad. The tank is like, "I'll just pull smaller I guess." So I say, "Just use your cooldowns sooner." The DPS ran from the first packs as they killed me, so the first pull got dragged back to spawn and we had to deal with it there. We managed OK.
So after seeing what I said, the PLD blows all of his cooldowns BETWEEN pulls. And then continues to pull small. Wearing a hodgepodge of i255/260/270 gear... We get the dungeon done OK, though embarrassingly I actually got locked out on the second boss when the ring AOEs spawn, because the people with them ran their rings on top of me instead of just running together... I still felt shame though.
On the Yol, the PLD and the melee DPS both got charmed by the gaze attack. I kind of felt like it was on purpose, but with a tank willing to blow all cooldowns between pulls... I'm not sure.
Left the dungeon commending the BLM, and thinking to myself, "Why was I so quick to throw myself under the bus, when it was the tank playing poorly that was making things difficult? *sigh*" Guess I should refresh my play at least once a week, heh. -
09-25-2021, 07:21 PMRobynDaBank
Honestly a run-of-the-mill incidence that I could have handled better as well to be fair.
Expecting a lower-level dungeon in Leveling Roulette, I queued as SCH - the healer I am taking the longest to learn because shielding in effect should be done as pro-active healing, not reactive, and I need to get used to that. I ended up landing in Dusk Vigil, and my brow began to sweat a little. No problems though, I assured myself, I know this dungeon already somewhat and have even 3-manned it as a healer with 2 damage dealers. 2 people were new to the dungeon and the tank was a bloom. I am not a judgemental person so I did not make much of that, after all I am a Sprout as well.
This run honestly took me back to my WoW days of last year, where as a Discipline Priest I had fewer tools to heal "bad". Somehow, perhaps because my gear was trash and Mind low or just in general, I was really starting to notice when people took damage that was unavoidable. It also felt as if the tank took hefty amounts of damage - when I noticed this previously I would discover few defensives being used but on this occasion I was much too burdened to check every pull - and overall my shields were too puny to make much of an effect. When I play White Mage or even Astrologian, I do not much mind people taking avoidable damage, but given my determination to learn to pre-emptive heal and having overall too few tools to instant heal, I couldn't help mentally chastise myself and the group for these many mistakes. I would feel upset when people took heavy damage from group-wide things or when the tank took multiple busters to the face from big pulls without me being able to keep up, and I would not ever be able to keep people in the safest heal range. It was quite stressing, and with a clumsy last boss where we got Fettered a lot (yet still somehow survived)...
... two "gg!" in chat. The only thing typical to dungeon runs had been said in this case - "hi" and "gg". I do not know why, but my temper had risen a little and I thought to myself good game? I really do not agree!
This also taught me how much I need to re-learn shield healing and watch the boss cast bars properly.