Gender locked race?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Well, it's less than a week to go at this point at least.

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it's gonna be the longest week ever though ;-;

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Originally Posted by Alesone

Come on now, this has been talked about multiple times in this thread. There are more differences between ronso and miqo'te than there is between miqo'te and viera. If you can't envision how they can be different yet you're 100% ok with viera being added to the game then that seems like severe hypocrisy to me.

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How is it severe hypocrisy? I honestly can't imagine how they look like because I can't imagine them making them extremely beast like. All I can imagine is something that looks like Byakko and even that seems 'out there'. Having a lack of solid 'image' on what something would look like is certainly not 'hypocrisy' when there's been zero information leaked beyond 'inspired by ronso', 'majestic mane' and 'bara'.

While with Viera we already have a baseline imagery set. Concept art they released as well as the female counterpart?

I mean, derp herp - not sure what you want from here.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Ronso and miqote are both cat-inspired races. :v Bunnies and cats are completely different animals.

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I think they mean Miqotes and Vieras are merely humanoid with cat/bunny ears and tails, while ronso have more animal features (face, jaw/ teeth, horn, fur etc.)

Which seems to be FFXIV's way of doing, all characters are alway slender or well built, and the animal "features" are small. Any Hrothgar with a mane would be like this in my mind. Some kind of bulky human with a mane of hair and maybe a lion tail and feline eyes, if we go with the lion route.
Having only one beast playable race with all the other ones being very human based would feel weird in the FFXIV's scope.

Let's pump this thread up to 400 before fanfest. We can do it! Excited to see what Hrothgar looks like Friday.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Ronso and miqote are both cat-inspired races. :v Bunnies and cats are completely different animals.

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Both Viera and Miqo'te fall into Kemonomimi.

Kemonomimi. Noun. (uncountable) (chiefly Japanese fiction) A humanoid fictional character who possesses animal-like features (most commonly ears and/or horns). A cosplayer who wears animal-like features.

Well the other is an anthropomorphic animal, basically an animal with human traits. Apparently the furry fandom describes it as bipedal animals, which I think that is what most people describe it as.

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Originally Posted by Mansion

I think they mean Miqotes and Vieras are merely humanoid with cat/bunny ears and tails, while ronso have more animal features (face, jaw/ teeth, horn, fur etc.)

Which seems to be FFXIV's way of doing, all characters are alway slender or well built, and the animal "features" are small. Any Hrothgar with a mane would be like this in my mind. Some kind of bulky human with a mane of hair and maybe a lion tail and feline eyes, if we go with the lion route.
Having only one beast playable race with all the other ones being very human based would feel weird in the FFXIV's scope.

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Yea, I can't imagine FFXIV going that far in the animalistic direction. It might have fans in the West, but I can't imagine people liking that sort of race in the East very well. With a new race I imagine the goal is to make it as appealing to players as possible. So regardless of what we're getting, it is going to be either lion flavored human or bunny flavored human. :v Or something along those lines. When you consider it like that, I can see a lion based human blending together with a general cat like race like miqote.

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Originally Posted by Wolfyboy

Both Viera and Miqo'te fall into Kemonomimi.

Kemonomimi. Noun. (uncountable) (chiefly Japanese fiction) A humanoid fictional character who possesses animal-like features (most commonly ears and/or horns). A cosplayer who wears animal-like features.

Well the other is an anthropomorphic animal, basically an animal with human traits. Apparently the furry fandom describes it as bipedal animals, which I think that is what most people describe it as.

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What difference does that make? You're factually correct on your statement, yeah, but that's hardly relevant to what he was saying.

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Originally Posted by Thefates

What difference does that make? You're factually correct on your statement, yeah, but that's hardly relevant to what he was saying.

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This is the full context.

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Come on now, this has been talked about multiple times in this thread. There are more differences between ronso and miqo'te than there is between miqo'te and viera. If you can't envision how they can be different yet you're 100% ok with viera being added to the game then that seems like severe hypocrisy to me.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Ronso and miqote are both cat-inspired races. :v Bunnies and cats are completely different animals.

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Both Viera and Miqo'te fall into Kemonomimi.

Kemonomimi. Noun. (uncountable) (chiefly Japanese fiction) A humanoid fictional character who possesses animal-like features (most commonly ears and/or horns). A cosplayer who wears animal-like features.

Well the other is an anthropomorphic animal, basically an animal with human traits. Apparently the furry fandom describes it as bipedal animals, which I think that is what most people describe it as.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Yea, I can't imagine FFXIV going that far in the animalistic direction. It might have fans in the West, but I can't imagine people liking that sort of race in the East very well. With a new race I imagine the goal is to make it as appealing to players as possible. So regardless of what we're getting, it is going to be either lion flavored human or bunny flavored human. :v Or something along those lines. When you consider it like that, I can see a lion based human blending together with a general cat like race like miqote.

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I think most super animal looking races tend to come from Eastern games, though. If by East you just mean Japan then maybe, I don't know many other Japanese mmo's to compare to, but I honestly don't think Japanese people would have any issues with a beast race lol.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's also possible that the decision to add Hrothgar was made before the decision to add Viera.

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This has been my hope. Yoshi P went on record saying he felt Viera were too much like Mi' qote. Going so far as to express displeasure at revealing the first race concept art while still finalizing Aura pre-Heavensward during The Tokyo Fate event.

I could see the dev team being told to create Hrothgar and only after The Return to Ivalice raid inclusion and fan demand had Viera added to the to do list.

As i have said before, i truly believe that should Viera be released as a genderlocked there will be a great amount of player demand once more. This goes for Hrothgar aswell. No one asked for them, but going backwards after undoing 1.0's genderlocks of Roegadyn and Mi'qote would be foolish, increadably self-destructive, and possibly very costly.

It takes more to correct a mistake after the fact than to be proactive and simply give what is being asked for.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I think most super animal looking races tend to come from Eastern games, though. If by East you just mean Japan then maybe, I don't know many other Japanese mmo's to compare to, but I honestly don't think Japanese people would have any issues with a beast race lol.

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I don't know, Japan doesn't seem very big on beast races like that. 11 didn't have them and 14 hasn't had them yet. Wouldn't it be weird to have all these human-esque races and then this one that randomly looks like Tony the Tiger? :v I don't see them doing that. And it'll make girls in japan cry. They want cute stuff.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Ronso and miqote are both cat-inspired races. :v Bunnies and cats are completely different animals.

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All of the races are human-inspired. Guess they're all the same so no one should complain with what we get!

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Originally Posted by Alesone

All of the races are human-inspired. Guess they're all the same so no one should complain with what we get!

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now you're just being petty. :v

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I don't know, Japan doesn't seem very big on beast races like that. 11 didn't have them and 14 hasn't had them yet. Wouldn't it be weird to have all these human-esque races and then this one that randomly looks like Tony the Tiger? :v I don't see them doing that. And it'll make girls in japan cry. They want cute stuff.

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I mean, considering it's mooostly men playing this game, even more so in Japan, not sure this is a valid point lol. And again, the "East" aka China/Korea/Japan markets have plenty of Beastial characters and races in MMOs. The point of them not having it in the game so far is a different point entirely, but I don't know if that makes it more or less likely to put them in now. Like if the point is we want something completely new, beastial race is a positive. If we want something that's the same as what we have, then it's a minus. So I guess it depends on what side you're on.

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Originally Posted by Wolfyboy

This is the full context...

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Yeah, I saw it, but saying what you think isn't different doesn't exactly refute his belief in what is.

Japan doesn't have an aversion to playable characters that are bestial. They might not be the main character in the games that they show up in, though they still play prominent roles.

Mareg in Grandia 2:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20090622091900

Kimahri in FFX:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20140809034323

Breath of Fire 2 had multiple non-human characters:

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...aajtqi9jsf.png

Final Fantasy VI had Mog:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20120724213943

There's a lot of others, though I don't want to spam the thread with too many images.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I mean, considering it's mooostly men playing this game, even more so in Japan, not sure this is a valid point lol. And again, the "East" aka China/Korea/Japan markets have plenty of Beastial characters and races in MMOs. The point of them not having it in the game so far is a different point entirely, but I don't know if that makes it more or less likely to put them in now. Like if the point is we want something completely new, beastial race is a positive. If we want something that's the same as what we have, then it's a minus. So I guess it depends on what side you're on.

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Actually, wasn't there a poll or something not too long ago that showed there is actually a large number of girls playing this game too? Or at least more so than the average MMO does. I'd think SE would consider what the female audience wants out of a male race too, instead of them deciding to cater to the furry fandom of all things. :v I'd venture there are more girls playing this game than furries at least.

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Originally Posted by Thefates

Yeah, I saw it, but saying what you think isn't different doesn't exactly refute his belief in what is.

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I honestly don't know what you're getting at, and I'm sorry for that. I'll do an analogy to explain what I'm getting to.

Ronso, Viera, Miqo'te are all races.
Straight, Gay, Bi are all sexualities.

Ronso = Straight (Is an anthromorphic animal that is feline), Miqo'te is Bi (Is a Kemonomimi that is feline), Viera is Gay (Is a Kemonomimi that is a bunny).

If you seen a Bisexual with a female (Pointing out that they're feline) you could point and say he is straight, however, if you see him with a male you could say he is Gay (Pointing out they're both Kemonomimi). Basically using the poor argument about Ronso and Miqo'te are feline based well ignoring the fact that Viera and Miqo'te are both Kemonomimi isn't acting in good faith. Both Viera and Ronso share some similarities to Miqo'te.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I mean, considering it's mooostly men playing this game, even more so in Japan, not sure this is a valid point lol. And again, the "East" aka China/Korea/Japan markets have plenty of Beastial characters and races in MMOs. The point of them not having it in the game so far is a different point entirely, but I don't know if that makes it more or less likely to put them in now. Like if the point is we want something completely new, beastial race is a positive. If we want something that's the same as what we have, then it's a minus. So I guess it depends on what side you're on.

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Can you at least give some examples? And maybe add on which of those mmo‘s beastly races are actually played in asian mmos?
right of the bat popular asian mmorpg that i can think of
bdo: not really a beastly race- mostly beautiful female huma/elves and elegant/beautiful men human/elves (1 tough male „race“, not really beastly)
tera: maybe amani? but they are even more rare then roes
ff14: not really beastly races
blade &soul: not really beastly races, more of the bautiful guys/girls side (1 tough male race, not really beastly)

these are among the ones(asian mmos) i’ve played the most

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Originally Posted by Theodric

Japan doesn't have an aversion to playable characters that are bestial. They might not be the main character in the games that they show up in, though they still play prominent roles.

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I don't doubt they appear in games as side characters, that has always been a thing in JRPGs for as long as I can remember. But the fact they are rarely the main character is telling. I mean, just look at the census numbers for people playing Roes. There really isn't a demand for full on beast races, that's why I can't see them putting so much effort into making a race that only a small percentage of the playerbase would actually enjoy. I could be wrong though, it just doesn't seem likely to me at all.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I'd venture there are more girls playing this game than furries at least.

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Sounds more like an argument for a furry based race. They already have the girl market, so putting in something to appeal to a market they haven't yet captured is a smart business move.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Actually, wasn't there a poll or something not too long ago that showed there is actually a large number of girls playing this game too? Or at least more so than the average MMO does. I'd think SE would consider what the female audience wants out of a male race too, instead of them deciding to cater to the furry fandom of all things. :v I'd venture there are more girls playing this game than furries at least.

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There may be more females playing this game than other mmos like wow simply because of the FF brand, but it's still not even and definitely not close in Japan. That's just how their society is. And then you throw the whole furry thing in there because your argument has no legs to stand on, yeah. Class act. I'm done trying to have rational discussion with you too. Hope you aren't too raged come Friday, man.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

There may be more females playing this game than other mmos like wow simply because of the FF brand, but it's still not even and definitely not close in Japan. That's just how their society is. And then you throw the whole furry thing in there because your argument has no legs to stand on, yeah. Class act. I'm done trying to have rational discussion with you too. Hope you aren't too raged come Friday, man.

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honestly what are you even on about anymore

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Originally Posted by Alesone

Sounds more like an argument for a furry based race. They already have the girl market, so putting in something to appeal to a market they haven't yet captured is a smart business move.

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I'd think they'd be more concerned with keeping their current playerbase happy than trying to lure furries to the game, but who knows. :v I wouldn't think they're that hard up for money.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

honestly what are you even on about anymore

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I don't know either <_< I was just trying to have a discussion. I don't have anything against furries, I just think they'd be a weird minority to cater to with FF XIV.

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Originally Posted by Alesone

Sounds more like an argument for a furry based race. They already have the girl market, so putting in something to appeal to a market they haven't yet captured is a smart business move.

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We do? Well spank my butt and point me in the direction of the attractive hunk race - or did you mean default race 'Hyur'. Really though, that's all 'opinion' you can't say that a specific race caters to the 'females' in regards to 'straight women are attracted to this.' If the argument is; 'women that play female toons' then yes, look at all the races that have attractive female characters - that dudes like to play. I'm one of the females that don't play as a female toon - I know many more. Shrug. Again, all down to opinion.

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Originally Posted by Fukuro

Can you at least give some examples? And maybe add on which of those mmo‘s beastly races are actually played in asian mmos?
right of the bat popular asian mmorpg that i can think of
bdo: not really a beastly race- mostly beautiful female huma/elves and elegant/beautiful men human/elves (1 tough male „race“, not really beastly)
tera: maybe amani? but they are even more rare then roes
ff14: not really beastly races
blade &soul: not really beastly races, more of the bautiful guys/girls side (1 tough male race, not really beastly)

these are among the ones(asian mmos) i’ve played the most

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Sure, for tera there's the Aman and Popori. Bless had the Pantera multiple people put out there earlier. Perfect World had the one tiger people. I haven't played too many Kmmos because they're mostly free to play but those are just the ones I've seen. I don't know which races are "played" since I play this game.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

honestly what are you even on about anymore

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Anyone who says that you have to be a "furry" to want a beastial race in an mmo is being ridiculous. So that's what I'm "on about". Honestly what was the point of your post?

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I'd think they'd be more concerned with keeping their current playerbase happy than trying to lure furries to the game, but who knows. :v I wouldn't think they're that hard up for money.

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That would have been an argument had they not released an expansion with only dps jobs. You'd think they would have wanted to keep their tank and Healer playerbase happy considering their retention is crucial to keeping the game healthy given how dependant the game is on the trinity.

There also wasn't a new race added in stormblood either, guess they felt they didn't have to cater to the players there either.

They already have those players playing the game, they already won them over with existing races. It makes complete sense for them to try something to appeal to a wider market, they want to increase their player count and if they feel targeting a certain market that they haven't really grabbed is the best way to do it they will.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Anyone who says that you have to be a "furry" to want a beastial race in an mmo is being ridiculous. So that's what I'm "on about". Honestly what was the point of your post?

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to get a real answer which you did in this post thank you

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

We do? Well spank my butt and point me in the direction of the attractive hunk race - or did you mean default race 'Hyur'. Really though, that's all 'opinion' you can't say that a specific race caters to the 'females' in regards to 'straight women are attracted to this.' If the argument is; 'women that play female toons' then yes, look at all the races that have attractive female characters - that dudes like to play. I'm one of the females that don't play as a female toon - I know many more. Shrug. Again, all down to opinion.

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I mean, they clearly got you didn't they? You're here playing the game and you'll likely keep playing the game even if whatever is coming isn't catered to your taste. So why would they necessarily need to cater something to your taste if they already have your membership? They clearly already have options in the game that sold you and that you play as.

People are making claims the game has a larger percentage of female gamers, which means their existing options have been enough to appeal to that demographic in a way to make it a larger portion of the playerbase population, which is fine. But the name of the game regarding MMO's is often getting new players. If they feel they've gotten enough of a certain playerbase demographic it makes complete sense for them to try and capture a market audience they might not already have, rather than cater to only their existing ones.

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Originally Posted by Alesone

That would have been an argument had they not released an expansion with only dps jobs. You'd think they would have wanted to keep their tank and Healer playerbase happy considering their retention is crucial to keeping the game healthy given how dependant the game is on the trinity.

There also wasn't a new race added in stormblood either, guess they felt they didn't have to cater to the players there either.

They already have those players playing the game, they already won them over with existing races. It makes complete sense for them to try something to appeal to a wider market, they want to increase their player count and if they feel targeting a certain market that they haven't really grabbed is the best way to do it they will.

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I don't really get what you're saying here. Doesn't the fact they released an expansion with only dps jobs support my argument? DPS players are the vast majority of the playerbase. More people play DPS than tanks/heals so giving us two DPS jobs was actually catering to the majority of the playerbase?

The point of the "fanfest" is to celebrate the game with the "fans." Player retention is one of the biggest concerns when running a mmo. Keeping the players they have happy and engaged is just as important as attracting new players to the game. I can't imagine they'd design a brand new race to add to the game that is only going to appeal to a very small subset of people and make lots of the current players go "wat?"

But SE has done a lot of stupid stuff, so it could very well happen. :v Just from my point of view, I don't think it is likely at all. I mean even the leaker told us not to expect ronso.

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Originally Posted by Alesone

That would have been an argument had they not released an expansion with only dps jobs. You'd think they would have wanted to keep their tank and Healer playerbase happy considering their retention is crucial to keeping the game healthy given how dependant the game is on the trinity.

There also wasn't a new race added in stormblood either, guess they felt they didn't have to cater to the players there either.

They already have those players playing the game, they already won them over with existing races. It makes complete sense for them to try something to appeal to a wider market, they want to increase their player count and if they feel targeting a certain market that they haven't really grabbed is the best way to do it they will.

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Okay, this is what gets me. If they wanted to add more players then why pick a 'lion' out of everything else, when ESO - their competitor who also has a big expansion happening around the same time as Shadow Bringers - is based in Elsywer which is the land of the Khajit race which is basically a less cartoony version of 'Ronso' minus the horns + a crapton of subraces which includes a 'Miqo'te' type breed?

Considering that Elsywer is going to be visited properly for the first time or rather not in horrifically outdated graphics -Elder Scrolls Arena; and it's bad 2004 graphics - why would you put a good portion of your eggs into one basket regarding it? How from a business standpoint does that make sense? A gender locked 'Hrothgar' isn't going to attract that market to such a huge extent when said market can literally be playing a different MMO that has more lore, background, isn't gender locked and doesn't require a sub?

From a business point of view that sounds extremely silly - already people are making jokes about Hrothgar due to the Elder Scrolls 'High Hrothgar' - such facepalming is to be had. Nothing like having a race that reminds you of your competitors 'games' during a battle for more subs.

And folks can't argue that Elder Scrolls doesn't have a presence in Japan, or that they're completely blind to the existence of its competitor in the western market.

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Originally Posted by Alesone

I mean, they clearly got you didn't they? You're here playing the game and you'll likely keep playing the game even if whatever is coming isn't catered to your taste. So why would they necessarily need to cater something to your taste if they already have your membership? They clearly already have options in the game that sold you and that you play as.

People are making claims the game has a larger percentage of female gamers, which means their existing options have been enough to appeal to that demographic in a way to make it a larger portion of the playerbase population, which is fine. But the name of the game regarding MMO's is often getting new players. If they feel they've gotten enough of a certain playerbase demographic it makes complete sense for them to try and capture a market audience they might not already have, rather than cater to only their existing ones.

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See i get the point but using your very logic in your posts i then ask why add female Viera? they had plenty of races already in game that caters to the same demographic as female Viera so why add them oh right player demand to cater to those already playing the game so why cater to half(metaphorical half) existing players while not catering to the other half(again metaphorical)

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Okay, this is what gets me. If they wanted to add more players then why pick a 'lion' out of everything else, when ESO - their competitor who also has a big expansion happening around the same time as Shadow Bringers - is based in Elsywer which is the land of the Khajit race which is basically a less cartoony version of 'Ronso' minus the horns.

Considering that Elsywer is going to be visited properly for the first time or rather not in horrifically outdated graphics -Elder Scrolls Arena; and it's bad 2004 graphics - why would you put a good portion of your eggs into one basket regarding it? How from a business standpoint does that make sense? A gender locked 'Hrothgar' isn't going to attract that market to such a huge extent when said market can literally be playing a different MMO that has more lore, background and isn't gender locked?

From a business point of view that sounds extremely silly - already people are making jokes about Hrothgar due to the Elder Scrolls 'High Hrothgar' - such facepalming is to be had. Nothing like having a race that reminds you of your competitors 'games' during a battle for more subs.

And folks can't argue that Elder Scrolls doesn't have a presence in Japan, or that they're completely blind to the existence of its competitor in the western market.

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I think people who play ESO will continue to play ESO and people who play this will play this. They're not really the same type of MMO at all so I think people who want that actiony type of MMO will go there and vice versa. I honestly don't think the ESO expansion plays into their decision-making at all, and really it was probably established as a lion race way before any of us knew about the ESO Khajiit expansion. I mean we know from the literal game screenshots that Hrothgar are a thing and that they're getting a mane, so I feel like there is very little room to argue against a lion race being what's coming lol.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

Anyone who says that you have to be a "furry" to want a beastial race in an mmo is being ridiculous. So that's what I'm "on about". Honestly what was the point of your post?

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Oh come on now, I don't see the point in beating around the bush. :v We all know where the real demand for a full on beast race is coming from. I mean just look at the huge furry community WoW has. I'm sure there are people here and there who want a beast race just for the sake of it (and that is completely valid too!), but the vast majority of the people asking for that specifically are furries.

Search your heart. You know it to be true.

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Originally Posted by cicatriz313

I think people who play ESO will continue to play ESO and people who play this will play this. They're not really the same type of MMO at all so I think people who want that actiony type of MMO will go there and vice versa. I honestly don't think the ESO expansion plays into their decision-making at all, and really it was probably established as a lion race way before any of us knew about the ESO Khajiit expansion. I mean we know from the literal game screenshots that Hrothgar are a thing and that they're getting a mane, so I feel like there is very little room to argue against a lion race being what's coming lol.

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Wasn't arguing against the race - It's more, why throw away an already established 'half of a race' to add something else in, and then 'gender-lock it'. If you want to attract more players it seems counterproductive to slap a gender-lock on them as already those new players who are attracted by the new race are shoehorned into one specific gender. No one likes limitations. If we're going by the 'furry' community or whatever - how many would want to play as a female 'Ronso-like-race' etc, just shakes me shake my head at the logic of it. Especially since this is just going to lead to even more demands if they're locked. There was going to be demands regardless, but you get where I'm going. I mean, I'll take ESO for an example - during my time in the game I saw so many 'female khajiit' and 'female Argonians' - folks certainly do play as female 'beast races'.

I know when I looked at MMOs gender locked races had me going 'Nope' and turning away to play something else. In regards to FF because I started playing again after they got rid of that silly gender restriction and some other irritations that spoiled it for me. I don't know, I'm petty - things like this can really just make me grunt. If they're gender locked I'll keep playing sure, I'll stay subbed, but I'm still going to throw a tantrum - I am a child wanting my bugs bunny doll.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Oh come on now, I don't see the point in beating around the bush. :v We all know where the real demand for a full on beast race is coming from. I mean just look at the huge furry community WoW has. I'm sure there are people here and there who want a beast race just for the sake of it (and that is completely valid too!), but the vast majority of the people asking for that specifically are furries.

Search your heart. You know it to be true.

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No. You're wrong. The vast majority of people asking for it are probably people who are nostalgic for Ronso and assume it'll be similar but not the same. I don't think the furry community is large enough in general to be the "vast majority" of anything. Let's not beat around the bush though. You're stating that Hrothgar shouldn't be a thing because "ew gross furries" "let's keep that in wow" and you're biased towards bunny boys. It's simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I'm sure there are some people that would prefer a lion race, I'm not saying there aren't. What I'm saying is that people have expectations after being shown female Viera. Being able to meet those expectations would be the smart thing to do, that's pretty undeniable. I get that you want to downplay this and make it seem like it isn't a big deal, but it is a big deal to a lot of people. People like to assume that just because they aren't personally invested in something it doesn't matter.

I really don't get why people wanting male Viera bothers you so much Cica. What do you gain from constantly trying to tell them something they care about isn't important?

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Seems to me like you're downplaying people that want Hrothgar's opinions.. hmm. Maybe revisit this post you made before.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I don't really get what you're saying here. Doesn't the fact they released an expansion with only dps jobs support my argument? DPS players are the vast majority of the playerbase. More people play DPS than tanks/heals so giving us two DPS jobs was actually catering to the majority of the playerbase?

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More people play dps but they are far from being a vast majority. On the high end they're at around 60% of the playerbase, meaning almost half the players are comprised of tanks and healers. Even then dps can be broken down, as some people will only play melee dps, with melee dps percentages being equivalent to tank or healer percentages. Same goes for casters etc.

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The point of the "fanfest" is to celebrate the game with the "fans." Player retention is one of the biggest concerns when running a mmo. Keeping the players they have happy and engaged is just as important as attracting new players to the game.

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And as we just pointed out they won't always cater to the entirety of their playerbase. Half their playerbase didn't get catered to with the stormblood jobs, just like some of their playerbase won't be catered to with whatever race they added.** Stormblood didn't cater to any players regarding races as no new race was added, meaning they are fine with not catering to that demographic 100% each expansion at all.

I am full well aware of how important player retention is for MMO's which is I was personally baffled when stormblood released with no tank or healer jobs when realistically it should have at least covered 2 of the 3 roles at the very least.

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I can't imagine they'd design a brand new race to add to the game that is only going to appeal to a very small subset of people and make lots of the current players go "wat?"

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This is an assumption though. You assume it will only appeal to a very small subset of people. The same assumption could be made about male viera as well, which could have been their reasoning for potentially not going forward with male viera. But we don't know what form this race may take and it could end up appealing to a lot of players.

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Originally Posted by Gwenorai

Wasn't arguing against the race - It's more, why throw away an already established 'half of a race' to add something else in, and then 'gender-lock it'. If you want to attract more players it seems counterproductive to slap a gender-lock on them as already those new players who are attracted by the new race are shoehorned into one specific gender. No one likes limitations. If we're going by the 'furry' community or whatever - how many would want to play as a female 'Ronso-like-race' etc, just shakes me shake my head at the logic of it. Especially since this is just going to lead to even more demands if they're locked. There was going to be demands regardless, but you get where I'm going. I mean, I'll take ESO for an example - during my time in the game I saw so many 'female khajiit' and 'female Argonians'.

I know when I looked at MMOs gender locked races had me going 'Nope' and turning away to play something else. In regards to FF because I started playing again after they got rid of that silly gender restriction and some other irritations that spoiled it for me. I don't know, I'm petty - things like this can really just make me grunt. If they're gender locked I'll keep playing sure, I'll stay subbed, but I'm still going to throw a tantrum - I am a child wanting my bugs bunny doll.

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Yeah, I'm not in agreement that this is in some way pandering to some furry community like that other posted said, I'm just saying I don't think ESO has any bearing on Hrothgar being a thing. I am sure plenty of people will use the genderlocking as a vehicle to complain to get male Viera. I just think at this point what is coming is coming.