fflogs and privacy

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Originally Posted by BigCheez

You'd be surprised how many people have their logs hidden but forget to private their achievements on Lodestone and have O4S/UCOB or O8S/UWU cleared for the first time on the same day, lol.

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Up until very recently when some people I knew confessed either a friend/ brother/ partner cleared for them I didn't even think anyone would do this..It completely flew over my head, and I was genuinely surprised. And then I also found out that selling accounts with all of those clears included is a very lucrative business.

I still don't understand the point of it. I guess sitting in Limsa flashing your undeserved weapon feels good to some people?

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

Up until very recently when some people I knew confessed either a friend/ brother/ partner cleared for them I didn't even think anyone would do this..It completely flew over my head, and I was genuinely surprised. And then I also found out that selling accounts with all of those clears included is a very lucrative business.

I still don't understand the point of it. I guess sitting in Limsa flashing your undeserved weapon feels good to some people?

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It's convenience ultimately. Why do it yourself and dedicate the time when you can open your wallet and have someone else do it for you in a day? Same thought process behind why people buy skips imo.

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Originally Posted by Naphtalia

It's convenience ultimately. Why do it yourself and dedicate the time when you can open your wallet and have someone else do it for you in a day? Same thought process behind why people buy skips imo.

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convenience for what???? Probably one of those people in the forums who were enraged that some of the glamours are locked behind Chaotic. (jk.. kinda or..)

Why do you even do any content unless it's fun and engaging for you?

As for the story skip. I support that because the story is an absolute slog. I didn't even think the story was that good, to begin with,and a lot of people have little to no interest in playing NetFlix or Otome.

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

convenience for what???? Probably one of those people in the forums who were enraged that some of the glamours are locked behind Chaotic. (jk.. kinda or..)

Why do you even do any content unless it's fun and engaging for you?

As for the story skip. I support that because the story is an absolute slog. I didn't even think the story was that good, to begin with,and a lot of people have little to no interest in playing NetFlix or Otome.

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Convenience in the sense that you can get it without having to dedicate weeks or months of time. Buying clears has been a thing for years now tbh, so there's definitely a market for people who don't want to put in the work but still get the reward.

There's also probably some people who might not have the time availability in general to do Ults (but would if able) so paying for them is their only way of doing it.

Playing hard fights mainly for the prestige is kinda goofy whether you cleared it yourself or paid someone else to do it for you. Like who cares, people who worry about whether someone "really" cleared it should get a new hobby :D

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Originally Posted by Naphtalia

Convenience in the sense that you can get it without having to dedicate weeks or months of time. Buying clears has been a thing for years now tbh, so there's definitely a market for people who don't want to put in the work but still get the reward.

There's also probably some people who might not have the time availability in general to do Ults (but would if able) so paying for them is their only way of doing it.

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The real reason still eludes me on why they would do that. Convenient for what? the achievements? the glam? I am genuinely confused. And lastly, who the F cares if you cleared an ultimate or not, if 90% of the time you sit in Limsa and you cannot effectively do the fight if people would ever invite you to do any of that content?

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Originally Posted by Exmo

Playing hard fights mainly for the prestige is kinda goofy whether you cleared it yourself or paid someone else to do it for you. Like who cares, people who worry about whether someone "really" cleared it should get a new hobby :D

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Bad take. It's healthy for MMOs to have aspirational content and having people bypass the challenge to claim the reward diminishes that. There's a reason that you can't buy Olympic medals at the convenience store. They're supposed to represent a significant achievement.

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Is it a misusage when you ask 5/10/20 clears in YOUR pf ?

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As much as people hate to hear this, yes, it is. You have absolutely zero way to get this information within the game except for 1/5/10 clears of the final savage floor of the tier.

That means that you are using an external site to artificially gate someone that already qualifies for the party with the restrictions we have in game (Duty complete setting). That does qualify for misuse.

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when you ask people to be on a certain prog point ?

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You can ask people to be at a certain prog point, nothing's stopping you from doing so. But if you go to a certain external website to get information you have no way of knowing and kick someone out according to that information that you should have no way of knowing, yes, it's misuse.

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To know their rotation in savage/ultimates ?

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That should be a given that people should know their rotation before doing hard content. You don't exactly need any external tools to know that a SAM that's lower enmity than the BRD with no deaths is doing something terribly wrong.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

As much as people hate to hear this, yes, it is. You have absolutely zero way to get this information within the game except for 1/5/10 clears of the final savage floor of the tier.

That means that you are using an external site to artificially gate someone that already qualifies for the party with the restrictions we have in game (Duty complete setting). That does qualify for misuse.



You can ask people to be at a certain prog point, nothing's stopping you from doing so. But if you go to a certain external website to get information you have no way of knowing and kick someone out according to that information that you should have no way of knowing, yes, it's misuse.



That should be a given that people should know their rotation before doing hard content. You don't exactly need any external tools to know that a SAM that's lower enmity than the BRD with no deaths is doing something terribly wrong.

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so if sites are forbidden then discord is forbidden also

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

so if sites are forbidden then discord is forbidden also

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My point isn't "sites are forbidden", my point is how you use the site, but ok.

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Originally Posted by Naphtalia

Why do it yourself and dedicate the time when you can open your wallet and have someone else do it for you in a day?

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Because you gain nothing from these fights apart from the satisfaction of clearing the fight and ugly weapons that you only tolerate because of what it took to get the weapon in the first place. It's sad if you want people to perceive you as someone with "prestige" or as someone good at the game by swiping your credit card on some dodgy website just because you're terrible at the game.

I don't know what we would do without Aravell

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Originally Posted by Aravell

My point isn't "sites are forbidden", my point is how you use the site, but ok.

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Oh so for P8s week1, you cannot refuse a dps doing less damage than a tank in your pf

Okay make sense

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

Oh so for P8s week1, you cannot refuse a dps doing less damage than a tank in your pf

Okay make sense

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Wielding data you shouldn't have access to in game against other players for your own convenience is the very definition of misuse of data. I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

You can twist and turn it all you like, in the end, you are still wielding data you shouldn't have access to in game against other players.

Perhaps you don't care about other people and only care about your convenience, that's up to you, still a misuse of data though.

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Wielding data you shouldn't have access to in game against other players for your own convenience is the very definition of misuse of data. I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

You can twist and turn it all you like, in the end, you are still wielding data you shouldn't have access to in game against other players.

Perhaps you don't care about other people and only care about your convenience, that's up to you, still a misuse of data though.

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do you think it make senses that you have very tight dps check without any acces to a player dps ?

if fflog didn't exist, and If I were raiding in pf, I will simply ask those joining my pf to do the P8s dummy in front of me

it's not about fflogs, or act, or savage dummy, it's about -> if you have tight dps check, people will want you to know how to dps, no matter what, it totally make sense and it will happen 100% of the time, will it be through dummy/through stream/through "show me your achievments on lodestone" or else

Like i said it earlier there is a Reason Square and Yoshi didnt do anything against FFLogs and ACT yet, he stated it more then once if we not harass people its a grey zone to use, but checking if someone is able to meet certain dps checks etc is not harassing people, expecting people to play at the same level as you do if you open a PF is not harassing people, checking if they play the mechs clean is not harassing people, just understand it finally FFLogs and ACT will always be part of the endgame content scene if you dont like it, look for another game but let me tell you something final even with FFLogs and ACT is way way more human then other games are.

so keep trying to get rid of FFLogs but it will not happen, it will never NEVER disappear.

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Originally Posted by AvoSturmfaust

Like i said it earlier there is a Reason Square and Yoshi didnt do anything against FFLogs and ACT yet, he stated it more then once if we not harass people its a grey zone to use, but checking if someone is able to meet certain dps checks etc is not harassing people, expecting people to play at the same level as you do if you open a PF is not harassing people, checking if they play the mechs clean is not harassing people, just understand it finally FFLogs and ACT will always be part of the endgame content scene if you dont like it, look for another game but let me tell you something final even with FFLogs and ACT is way way more human then other games are.

so keep trying to get rid of FFLogs but it will not happen, it will never NEVER disappear.

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I even think if fflogs/act disappear it will be much worse since the "skill/dps check" will be more upfront rather than "hidden" by checking a site

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

I even think if fflogs/act disappear it will be much worse since the "skill/dps check" will be more upfront rather than "hidden" by checking a site

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yes thats the next point, people need to understand if FFLogs/ACT is gone, the Community will end up more toxic since you cant see the Experience or anything from someone, people will start to even accept less fails then they do right now, so it ends up way more toxic

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

I even think if fflogs/act disappear it will be much worse since the "skill/dps check" will be more upfront rather than "hidden" by checking a site

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"Skip soar or disband".

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Originally Posted by Aravell

Wielding data you shouldn't have access to in game against other players for your own convenience is the very definition of misuse of data. I don't know how much clearer I can make it.

You can twist and turn it all you like, in the end, you are still wielding data you shouldn't have access to in game against other players.

Perhaps you don't care about other people and only care about your convenience, that's up to you, still a misuse of data though.

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I don’t care how I obtain the data if the people joining my PF and ruining the experience for the other seven members clearly don’t respect our time.

The blacklist is too limited in-game, FFlogs is like a bigger blacklist

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Originally Posted by Kohashi

The real reason still eludes me on why they would do that. Convenient for what? the achievements? the glam? I am genuinely confused. And lastly, who the F cares if you cleared an ultimate or not, if 90% of the time you sit in Limsa and you cannot effectively do the fight if people would ever invite you to do any of that content?

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They only care about the clear and the things that the clear gets them. They care about the weapons, titles, glam, bragging rights over tackling the challenge and succeeding.