Is it necessary to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly"

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Originally Posted by Amorzinho

I reported a few, since some was through Discord only, nothing happened, couldn't offer a screenshot and video with audiotracks since the GM never contacted me. And one i reported with their chat in game, to this day i see the person there just fine on the same place as always doing the same thing

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I would imagine you need to send it via the special task force team for stuff like that. A GM simply can't go to discord or anything. Each time you file a report, you usually get a link to said special task force.

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Originally Posted by Veranolth

No amount of justifying why it is necessary to advertise as LGBTQ+ friendly will work as it is lost on so many people in the thread. The fact alone that the tags are basically anti-LGBTQ such as "stop lgbtq", "muh pronouns", and "triggered" means that people are just going to keep trolling as they have. FCs will advertise as LGBTQ+ as much as they want, and this thread kind of proved why it is necessary.

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Thing is...EVERYONE gets trolled dude. I've seen folks get ripped to shreds because they asked for more black npcs n important characters in xiv. People will be people and safespaces do nothing but keep folks away from that reality. I'll say it again, advertise it to your heart's content, just understand some folks (including lgbt people) won't mess with those groups

It's really not that deep folks.

If folks want an LGBTQ+ friendly space to go to, then go for it. If it's not your thing, don't join.
Yeah sure, whatever, everyone gets trolled, sure, but I have never seen so many people get so bent over LGBTQ+ spaces being a thing as I have in these forums; like why does it matter? Why is this thread even a thing? Why is this being questioned?
I agree with Veranolth; seeing the tags tagged to this thread kinda shows why they're a thing. Being a part of the LGBTQ+, I can see why it is a thing.

There's no need for deep thinking over the matter. You join/attend those things or not. Wow so simple.
/shrug

There's a BIG difference between being "tolerance" and "acceptance". Saying LGBTQIA+ shows you're a safe zone, an "ally" if you will.

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Originally Posted by Vav2021

Is it necessary to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly"

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Is it necessary to make yet another thread that bashes my community? The only place being Trans and Bi that is unsafe in this game, are the English language Forums.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

So...are you saying SE shouldn't Punish people if they mistreat, or Bash anybody based on race/nationality/thinking/gender/sexual orientation/gender identity?

Im kind of lost and confused what the point or argument of this Thread is...maybe Im just dumb.

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It's a conservative tactic to bash the LGBTQAI+, when they are not allowed to be openly hateful, they make threads like this to make passive aggressive anti-LGBTQAI+ threads, and try and talk in circles as to why we don't need a safe place.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

It's a conservative tactic to bash the LGBTQAI+, when they are not allowed to be openly hateful, they make threads like this to make passive aggressive anti-LGBTQAI+ threads, and try and talk in circles as to why we don't need a safe place.

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Interestingly enough I've yet to see any one be hateful in this thread nor passive aggressive. If stuff like what I've said here is what you consider talking in circles that only proves what I'm saying

Also please don't start with the "conservative/right wing" crap...

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

It's a conservative tactic to bash the LGBTQAI+, when they are not allowed to be openly hateful, they make threads like this to make passive aggressive anti-LGBTQAI+ threads, and try and talk in circles as to why we don't need a safe place.

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Agreed. I'm tired of these threads popping up. Square Enix moderators would do well to watch closely. We have never been under more attack for our rights. All equal rights in America are at stake, and I really hope that reflects how the moderation is done here. We need safe spaces to run away to without being called out, or bullied for things we cannot help but be.

There's nothing wrong with expressing yourself as LGBT+ in a video game, especially when your real life is scary. You should be able to be as LGBT+ and proud as you want in any virtual space without people giving you crap for it.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Interestingly enough I've yet to see any one be hateful in this thread nor passive aggressive. If stuff like what I've said here is what you consider talking in circles that only proves what I'm saying

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That's kind of the point of plausible deniability / bad faith arguments. People misrepresent their own beliefs and occupy false positions on issues that they believe will achieve an outcome suitable to what they actually believe.

If you notice, OP tried to take a stance claiming that LGBTQ+ friendly is simply redundant because the game does such a good job moderating issues relating to harassment. Of course, this has nothing to do with what OP actually believes. Go ahead and mouse over the tags at the bottom of the page, which seemingly unbeknownst to many, will show you the username of who posted them.

Edit: Gee, I can't believe OP changed the tags on the thread after seeing this post.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

That's kind of the point of plausible deniability / bad faith arguments. People misrepresent their own beliefs and occupy false positions on issues that they believe will achieve an outcome suitable to what they actually believe.

If you notice, OP tried to take a stance claiming that LGBTQ+ friendly is simply redundant because the game does such a good job moderating issues relating to harassment. Of course, this has nothing to do with what OP actually believes. Go ahead and mouse over the tags at the bottom of the page, which seemingly unbeknownst to many, will show you the username of who posted them.

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This.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

That's kind of the point of plausible deniability / bad faith arguments. People misrepresent their own beliefs and occupy false positions on issues that they believe will achieve an outcome suitable to what they actually believe.

If you notice, OP tried to take a stance claiming that LGBTQ+ friendly is simply redundant because the game does such a good job moderating issues relating to harassment. Of course, this has nothing to do with what OP actually believes. Go ahead and mouse over the tags at the bottom of the page, which seemingly unbeknownst to many, will show you the username of who posted them.

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Sure but most others here I do believe ARE speaking in good faith. OP may have used that point to shield what they really feel but some of us have expounded upon that notion. Don't think I saw anyone say it's wrong to advertise it and those like myself have explained respectfully why we steer clear and it's generally due to experience.
I'd say the same if "lgbt" was swapped with "black" or any other label of that nature frankly

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Interestingly enough I've yet to see any one be hateful in this thread nor passive aggressive. If stuff like what I've said here is what you consider talking in circles that only proves what I'm saying

Also please don't start with the "conservative/right wing" crap...

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Some posts were hateful and have already been deleted. I responded to one earlier with a quote and both the original post and mine with the quote were deleted. But there are plenty that remain, just maybe less direct. Though LittleImp's post above says it best.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Sure but most others here I do believe ARE speaking in good faith. OP may have used that point to shield what they really feel but some of us have expounded upon that notion. Don't think I saw anyone say it's wrong to advertise it and those like myself have explained respectfully why we steer clear and it's generally due to experience.
I'd say the same if "lgbt" was swapped with "black" or any other label of that nature frankly

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People can have bad experiences; does that make it redundant to have safe spaces though? Not everyone experience is the same. The topic of the thread is "is it necessary" to which the answer is "it can be if one deems it so". But to flat out say "no, it's not" is, imho, a personal opinion and also wrong. If you don't find it necessary, cool, it's not for you. But there are folks in which it is.

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Originally Posted by Coletergeist

People can have bad experiences; does that make it redundant to have safe spaces though? Not everyone experience is the same. The topic of the thread is "is it necessary" to which the answer is "it can be if one deems it so". But to flat out say "no, it's not" is, imho, a personal opinion and also wrong. If you don't find it necessary, cool, it's not for you. But there are folks in which it is.

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Then no, I'm not wrong nor are you right. It's just opinions at the end of the day. No right or wrong answer is really applicable here. All I'm saying once again is understand not everyone is going to care for your safe space as they often in some people's experiences only come with issues.

I also find it funny you say the safespace isn't for me...so wouldn't that by proxy mean that advertisement isn't for me either? Genuine question btw

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

Then no, I'm not wrong nor are you right. It's just opinions at the end of the day. No right or wrong answer is really applicable here. All I'm saying once again is understand not everyone is going to care for your safe space as they often in some people's experiences only come with issues.

I also find it funny you say the safespace isn't for me...so wouldn't that by proxy mean that advertisement isn't for me either? Genuine question btw

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when did I say it wasn't for you? Genuine question. I said if it's not for you (as in the royal you), then it's not for you (royal you). Not you as in you.

Just be yourself at your own taste & pace for whatever you community you wish to align yourself,

While also you cannot convince or judge right away for anyone that expresses otherwise or just don’t agree with it & that doesn’t mean you have to come hostile in retaliation because of your strong affiliation.

The world will always retain disagreements, empowerings & innovation for social progress or change. After all, we all been targeted & will always be. Instead of asking for retribution or creating a “safe zone” try to build a thick skin through it, show defiance, persevere & accept everyone has different perspectives & not always oppresive (for whatever community & ideology you embrace…).

What matters most is maintaining civility. order, tolerance & just be at peace with yourself. The world will never be at peace, but your actions does reflect your essence onto others ;be it for good or bad.

Nonetheless, this whole charade is irrelevant

-Give to God what is God & to Caesar what is Caesrar- a quote i embrace without throwing doctrine or religious aspects. It makes much sense & I don’t think anyone is just doing that on whatever they embrace vs trying to pin down the world’s entropy state of sorts

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Originally Posted by Vencio

What matters most is maintaining civility. order, tolerance & just be at peace with yourself. The world will never be at peace, but your actions does reflect your essence onto others ;be it for good or bad.

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There was a guild I was in a while ago in WoW. The fellow found out that I was bisexual in a passing statement to someone that was meant to be a private message. I found out he didn't actively support my sexual preference, but embraced me as a friend, ally, and fellow guildie with the only statements being on my sexuality. He was a good fellow.

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Nonetheless, this whole charade is irrelevant

-Give to God what is God & to Caesar what is Caesrar- a quote i embrace without throwing doctrine or religious aspects. It makes much sense & I don’t think anyone is just doing that on whatever they embrace vs trying to pin down the world’s entropy state of sorts

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It is now. I've been meaning to let the thread die, but whatever.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

That's the exact opposite of how it works, at least in the US. There's a list of reasons that you are legally not allowed to use to refuse service. Any other reason, or no reason at all is fair game. If you file a lawsuit and can prove that the *real* reason they refused you service is on the list of disallowed reasons, then you have a case.

"I don't like your hairdo" could be a veiled way to express racism, yes. If you prove it. They could refuse you service because they don't like your shirt. They could refuse service because they don't like your attitude. They could refuse service because the sky is annoying them and they don't feel like serving someone today. Discrimination isn't the default legal assumption. The burden of proof is on the claimant.

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I looked it up it depends on the state but federally it's not allowed and some states such as new york explicitly don't allow discrimination against hair. Normal states if it's a refusal of service it cant be based on whether you don't like it oir not. You cant prove a negative. the fact is it doesn't matter if it's veild racism or not a cooperation cannot deny them service. This is different if its

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

That's the exact opposite of how it works, at least in the US. There's a list of reasons that you are legally not allowed to use to refuse service. Any other reason, or no reason at all is fair game. If you file a lawsuit and can prove that the *real* reason they refused you service is on the list of disallowed reasons, then you have a case.

"I don't like your hairdo" could be a veiled way to express racism, yes if you prove it. They could refuse your service because they don't like your shirt. They could refuse service because they don't want your attitude. They could refuse service because the sky is annoying them and they don't feel like serving someone today. Discrimination isn't the default legal assumption. The burden of proof is on the claimant.

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Yes, in the EU, you cannot deny service based on protected characteristics, and you cant federally in the US either. Some states do allow it, and some states are harsher such as new york, but federally the US does not allow it. So all you have done is prove the local American population in some states, such as Arizona, is filled with savages. You cannot prove a negative, and that's why these protected characteristics are there. It doesn't matter if you were doing it for racist means. No one is calling you a racist, but people are saying you are in breach of a protected characteristic which is illegal, and that's all that matters.

The only time you can is when it would cause harm to the individual, such as age, but even then, our laws against things such as alcohol are pretty lax compared to the US's stupid alcohol, drug, sex etc. laws. Your union is a barbaric embarrassment for the most part and the main reason after 450 years you never became the centre of culture for the rest of the world and even failed to live up to Britain's record at solving world issues such as slavery.

I hear people use that "thick skin" argument and all I can think of is, "Why can't you be more sensitive to others feelings?"

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Originally Posted by Angus

I hear people use that "thick skin" argument and all I can think of is, "Why can't you be more sensitive to others feelings?"

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Because they aren't other people, no one has a right to be treated kindly. That's the sad truth.

The minute you treat that luxury as a right and expect it is the minute you don't deserve it.

Expect the worst, hope for the best, and keep things civil, but no one will be your friend.

If something happens, be ready to put the threat down if you can or leave quickly if you can't.

The most dangerous thing you are likely to face is another human, which won't change.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

Because they aren't other people, no one has a right to be treated kindly. That's the sad truth.
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Maybe where you live

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* CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION - CONS

ARTICLE I DECLARATION OF RIGHTS [SECTION 1 - SEC. 32] ( Article 1 adopted 1879. )

SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

Maybe where you live

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This has nothing to do with people respecting you or being kind to you unless you tell me the Californian constitution forces people to be kind to you?

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Originally Posted by Vryn

This has nothing to do with people respecting you or being kind to you unless you tell me the Californian constitution forces people to be kind to you?

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basically it guarantees Happiness to it's citizens... although it's impossible to fulfil, most government employees try to be kind to everyone (except cops), and generally people are use to acting with kindness before acting in other ways. Generally what I mean, Californians for the most part act friendly. Our constitution requires the Government to try and achieve our happiness, and government employees (besides cops) are usually very friendly. In fact most people west of the Mississippi tend towards friendly as a default. Just as a Reminder kind = friendly, and generally North Americans are friendlier than Europeans, and people in the Western States are friendlier than the Eastern States, and Southern States tend to be Friendlier than Northern ones.

Just remember, in the US "Bless your heart" is a way to disagree with someone.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

basically it guarantees Happiness to it's citizens... although it's impossible to fulfil, most government employees try to be kind to everyone (except cops)

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What?

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. Our constitution requires the Government to try and achieve our happiness, and government employees (besides cops) are usually very friendly.

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what?

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Originally Posted by Vav2021

What?

what?

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California Constitution:

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* CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION - CONS

ARTICLE I DECLARATION OF RIGHTS [SECTION 1 - SEC. 32] ( Article 1 adopted 1879. )

SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

California Constitution:

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But why disdain for the police? The police make sure that laws are enforced, and that conflict is dealt with as well as can be. They may not prevent crimes, but they do their best to address them. Why the hate for police?

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Originally Posted by Gothicshark

basically it guarantees Happiness to it's citizens... although it's impossible to fulfil, most government employees try to be kind to everyone (except cops), and generally people are use to acting with kindness before acting in other ways. Generally what I mean, Californians for the most part act friendly. Our constitution requires the Government to try and achieve our Happiness, and government employees (besides cops) are usually very friendly. In fact most people west of the Mississippi tend towards friendly as a default. Just as a Reminder kind = friendly, and generally North Americans are friendlier than Europeans, and people in the Western States are friendlier than the Eastern States. Southern States tend to be Friendlier than Northern ones.

Just remember, in the US, "Bless your heart" is a way to disagree with someone.

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Nowhere in the lines you shared does it say it guarantees Happiness to its citizens. It says all citizens have a right to try and obtain Happiness.
You don't know most government employees. So you naturally assume people are innately good.
People are fleeing the state en masse because of your problems caused by the so-called kindness and that road to hell appeared rather quickly.
Are North Americans kinder? Is that why every time a so-called progressive runs for president, Europe is always an example of what's done right in terms of rights. Unfortunately, it's almost like that so-called kindness didn't do anything for you.
Europe has the happiest countries on the planet, and we all have better living conditions, pay less tax, have better infrastructure, lower crime etc. But, unfortunately, you are not that kind, and no one respects the US enough to believe it.

Remember in Europe, saying I have to disagree is a way to disagree with someone because we don't need to come up with passive-aggressive remarks to talk to another human. It's seen as rather sly, rude and a waste of everyone's time.

Gods even the documents you show to show how kind you are stem from us. You forget where your culture and values originated, the founding fathers of the US must be rolling in their graves.

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Originally Posted by Vav2021

According to the rules, at https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...5382&kid=68216 ,


To which the first example is

And I understand that they punish for off-game behavior. as well, so treating people like garbage outside of the game is punishable.

With all this being said, it almost seems redundant to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly" in a game where you are required to tolerate it both on and off the game, seeing as how guilds that aren't friendly would be punished.

Is it redundant, or is it warranted even with the rules being as explicit as they are about a zero tolerance (on and off game) about it?

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No, it is not.

Nobody actually cares if you are LGBTQ etc etc.

Its a video game, keep your personal/political/social issues in the real world where it belongs.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

Nowhere in the lines you shared does it say it guarantees Happiness to its citizens. It says all citizens have a right to try and obtain Happiness.
You don't know most government employees. So you naturally assume people are innately good.
People are fleeing the state en masse because of your problems caused by the so-called kindness and that road to hell appeared rather quickly.
Are North Americans kinder? Is that why every time a so-called progressive runs for president, Europe is always an example of what's done right in terms of rights. Unfortunately, it's almost like that so-called kindness didn't do anything for you.
Europe has the happiest countries on the planet, and we all have better living conditions, pay less tax, have better infrastructure, lower crime etc. But, unfortunately, you are not that kind, and no one respects the US enough to believe it.

Remember in Europe, saying I have to disagree is a way to disagree with someone because we don't need to come up with passive-aggressive remarks to talk to another human. It's seen as rather sly, rude and a waste of everyone's time.

Gods even the documents you show to show how kind you are stem from us. You forget where your culture and values originated, the founding fathers of the US must be rolling in their graves.

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Don't take it too seriously, it's califorina. Even the US snickers behind their back, lol.

"Europe has the happiest countries on the planet"

True. It also has several countries in it (or allied to it) that have committed heinous crimes in their past, under the guise of "spreading their empire". The most notable two being Spain and England. Germany too with the World Wars, but I imagine nowadays they have moved from that.

Europe has worked hard to improve the lives of its people. It's taken a long time, lots of blood, sweat and tears but now it's at an acceptable point. But that doesn't mean the fights over. We still got a lot of ground to cover.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

Don't take it too seriously, it's califorina. Even the US snickers behind their back, lol.

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The state has an active "poop patrol" that's state funded. I can't really take references to California seriously, but I humor it to see where it goes.

To the OP:

No, I do not feel it is redundant. When one joins a group or an FC, it is understandable that they may have some trepidation about the nature of the group they are joining. Especially as openly hostile as things are in the real world at the moment.

There is no harm in advertising that you are LGBTQ+ Friendly. Gaming events at Gen Con, for example, do this.

It's a good way of letting those who may be experiencing already hateful and unyieldingly merciless criticism of their lives, that there is at least some measure of a safe space for them where they can be themselves, and not worry about persecution.

Considering current events in the U.S. no, it is not redundant in the slightest.

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Originally Posted by CerusSerenade

Considering current events in the U.S., no, it is not redundant in the slightest.

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What current events in the U.S.? Nothing is happening to the LGBT community. It's not the middle or far east or even the southern continents.

We have it very good in the west, and people talking about how to streamline policy or remove policies that don't work or harm people is not an attack. It's a logistical issue.

If you are advertising as LGBT friendly, the question is, why do you feel the need to? Do you not think your game is approachable to everyone who may be interested. Another question is, why do you think people's sexual orientation or particular mental status has anything to do with your video game or event.

This is just corporations and people trying to capitalise on a particular status to show how good of a person they are and that people should respect them because of it. It has the opposite effect and is more likely to alienate someone because they don't want to be preached to.

The best thing you could do is just put in policy decisions that treat everyone equally and protect characteristics such as race, sex, age, orientation etc. This gives people objective lines to work within and makes sure everyone is comfortable.

It's about making a space where everyone can participate civilly in good faith rather than condescending to the majority, which causes more toxicity and feeds into the paranoia of the most extreme members on both sides of the aisle.

One side sees that and thinks it's the gay plan to get their kids. The other side sees it as a bulwark against a totalitarian theocracy ridden nation wanting to wipe them off the earth when in both cases, these people are mental.

Most LGBT and straight people don't give a crap and want to have fun with their friends and family.

The biggest threat to the LGBT community is the people who actively go out and remind everyone about their status at every event, every time they have a conversation, or when someone makes a joke.

No one likes vegans when they do it.
No one likes Religious people when they do it.
No one likes LGBT people when they do it.

Silence after all is the best defence.

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Originally Posted by Vryn

What current events in the U.S.? Nothing is happening to the LGBT community.

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Many states have passed or are trying to pass legislation that either allows for discrimination against transgender people or outlaws scientifically backed transition altogether, with some perfectly healthy transgender kids already being cruelly ripped away from their parent; this is on video too.

Multiple judges in the right-leaning Supreme Court have expressed interest in overturning the federal legalization of gay marriage, and some local governments have previously tried to defy newer rulings on it; it’s a very real possibility that this overturning could happen in the near future, especially given the new political precedent set by the expected overturning of Roe vs. Wade on purely partisan lines and related statements in the leaked majority opinion on what other kinds of cases are wanted to be overturned later.

LGBTQ+ people in general are at higher risk of suicide due to social opposition, including in relation to hate crimes, “conversion therapy” also known as sexuality-related torture, not being able to transition when it’s medically recommended, and worries about families disowning them among other things. There’s also adoption-related discrimination, sports-related discrimination, and, until incredibly recently, legally allowed workplace discrimination that will still likely continue to happen albeit in a more subtle manner, among other unique obstacles that many LGBTQ+ people have to regularly worry about facing throughout their lives that the average straight and cisgender person won’t.

Where do you get this baseless idea that nothing is currently happening to the LGBTQ+ community? What is that based on?

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

Many states have passed or are trying to pass legislation that either allows for discrimination against transgender people or outlaws scientifically backed transition altogether, with some perfectly healthy transgender kids already being cruelly ripped away from their parent; this is on video too.

Multiple judges in the right-leaning Supreme Court have expressed interest in overturning the federal legalization of gay marriage, and some local governments have previously tried to defy newer rulings on it; it’s a very real possibility that this overturning could happen in the near future, especially given the new political precedent set by the expected overturning of Roe vs. Wade on purely partisan lines and related statements in the leaked majority opinion on what other kinds of cases are wanted to be overturned later.

LGBTQ+ people in general are at higher risk of suicide due to social opposition, including in relation to hate crimes, “conversion therapy” also known as sexuality-related torture, not being able to transition when it’s medically recommended, and worries about families disowning them among other things. There’s also adoption-related discrimination, sports-related discrimination, and, until incredibly recently, legally allowed workplace discrimination that will still likely continue to happen albeit in a more subtle manner, among other unique obstacles that many LGBTQ+ people have to regularly worry about facing throughout their lives that the average straight and cisgender person won’t.

Where do you get this baseless idea that nothing is currently happening to the LGBTQ+ community? What is that based on?

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The whole trans kids' debate is very incendiary, as a transwoman myself I feel pretty apprehensive about it. I don't think someone under 16 can make those far-reaching decisions and I also don't trust a lot of those parents have the best interests of the child too.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

Many states have passed or are trying to pass legislation that either allows for discrimination against transgender people or outlaws scientifically backed transition altogether, with some perfectly healthy transgender kids already being cruelly ripped away from their parent; this is on video too.

Multiple judges in the right-leaning Supreme Court have expressed interest in overturning the federal legalization of gay marriage, and some local governments have previously tried to defy newer rulings on it; it’s a very real possibility that this overturning could happen in the near future, especially given the new political precedent set by the expected overturning of Roe vs. Wade on purely partisan lines and related statements in the leaked majority opinion on what other kinds of cases are wanted to be overturned later.

LGBTQ+ people in general are at higher risk of suicide due to social opposition, including in relation to hate crimes, “conversion therapy” also known as sexuality-related torture, not being able to transition when it’s medically recommended, and worries about families disowning them among other things. There’s also adoption-related discrimination, sports-related discrimination, and, until incredibly recently, legally allowed workplace discrimination that will still likely continue to happen albeit in a more subtle manner, among other unique obstacles that many LGBTQ+ people have to regularly worry about facing throughout their lives that the average straight and cisgender person won’t.

Where do you get this baseless idea that nothing is currently happening to the LGBTQ+ community? What is that based on?

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Face the wall, comrade.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

Many states have passed or are trying to pass legislation that either allows for discrimination against transgender people or outlaws scientifically backed transition altogether, with some perfectly healthy transgender kids already being cruelly ripped away from their parent; this is on video too.

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What do you mean people are upset about teaching prepubescent children about the topic of sex?!
What a world we live in, lol.

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Originally Posted by MellowMink

Many states have passed or are trying to pass legislation that either allows for discrimination against transgender people or outlaws scientifically backed transition altogether, with some perfectly healthy transgender kids already being cruelly ripped away from their parent; this is on video too.

Multiple judges in the right-leaning Supreme Court have expressed interest in overturning the federal legalization of gay marriage, and some local governments have previously tried to defy newer rulings on it; it's a very real possibility that this overturning could happen shortly, especially given the recent political precedent set by the expected overturning of Roe vs Wade on purely partisan lines and related statements in the leaked majority opinion on what other kinds of cases are wanted to be overturned later.

LGBTQ+ people, in general, are at higher risk of suicide due to social opposition, including in relation to hate crimes, "conversion therapy" also known as sexuality-related torture, not being able to transition when it's medically recommended, and worries about families disowning them among other things. There's also adoption-related discrimination, sports-related discrimination, and, until incredibly recently, legally allowed workplace discrimination that will still likely continue to happen albeit in a more subtle manner, among other unique obstacles that many LGBTQ+ people have to regularly worry about facing throughout their lives that the average straight and cisgender person won't.

Where do you get this baseless idea that nothing is currently happening to the LGBTQ+ community? What is that based on?

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No, they aren't, your definition of discrimination has never been normal. Every time I have interacted with you have shown this. You thought people not being nice to you and not respecting you when had done nothing to earn it was harassment. The only laws I have seen about blocking transitioning are for children and making the requirements to transition more firm because of the many scandals of people taking HRT only to grow out of it and having to detransition once they have been chemically castrated which is a valid concern to have. As I said, these are logistical issues, not discrimination.

Marriage is a religious act, and gay people had civil unions beforehand. To legalize gay marriage is to rip the right to worship your religion freely. This means you are striping rights from one group and giving it to another. You cannot force religious groups to accept you, especially when they find your existence wrong. There is no difference between gay marriage and a civil union other than the fact you have forced a church to do it against their belief system, which I believe is unconstitutional as the freedom of religion is a vital principle of the US.

LGBT, there is no Q or anything plus. The T is a mental condition and isn't even sexual orientation.

They are at higher risk of suicide because they have had a mental illness, disease, drugs etc., because of the culture the community has fostered these many years. All crimes can be considered hate crimes because crime is harmful to everyone. The fact that you are of a specific orientation doesn't add any more weight to the crime unless you actively admit crimes against LGBT people matter more, which they don't.

Conversion therapy hasn't been mainstream since the 50-60s. To take acts that would be considered torture today and use that as an excuse to validate your ideology is an extremist position, and you should be ashamed. Also, conversion therapy didn't just happen to LGBT people. It happened to everyone different and the community is a very small percentage of the total population.

Having males beat the crap out of females under the guise of being a woman is discrimination towards women again. This is a logistical issue, not discrimination. You cant have fully grown males compete with females. They are structurally different and confer biological advantages beyond the norm, and no HRT does not change that.

Discrimination happens to everyone for many reasons. Sex orientation is only one and it's not the main one. There are many other factors, and you will never get rid of them.

What you find to be discrimination is not liking that people are human. They will not accept you for being you, especially when they think it can be a detriment to them./ What you find to be discrimination is so minuscule that it is relatively meaningless and within the norm of society. Life comes with hardship your just going to have to accept that and deal with it.

Time to become an adult and earn the respect you think you deserve.