Yoshi-P Statement on Player Feedback

Also some of the jobs that are good tuned are so boring it’s insane. Drk for example goes “random bullshit go” every 60/120 seconds and after this it’s just 3 buttons you press to prep yourself for the next burst window.

Or gunbreaker being forced to not play the first hit in the continuation combo he has in his no mercy window in the opener and every 3 minutes or you lose 1 burst strike plus continuation hit for it

or what about how whm never getting his potencies/mp costs adjusted to fit thin air change or identical treatment like the other healers did with their own gauge.

all fixed that could have been made already but didn't despite been given feedback however the only things we got were potency adjustments for dps and a promise that more dps will get buff at 6.08 ignoring healers pressing issues yet again.

How is this thread still going? Just kill it already

oh wait...

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

As someone who has had posts deleted recently, I can verify someone is watching and reading. While they do not listen to everything we say.. and possibly not even MOST things we say, there are too many changes that line up with popular topics here to think there is NO influence from us.

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I do want to believe this. Maybe - hopefully - I’m just not seeing the forest for the trees lol. In that it feels like nothing is happening because I check the forums quite frequently, so by the time someone has been reported or banned I’m seeing a new person posting something along the same lines.

And of course I do try and temper my expectations given that the forums are ‘online’, and as such nobody can ever really have complete control over what others (cuz it’s the internet etc lol). So even though there are posts that just don’t seem right (abusive, harassing, etc), that doesn’t necessarily mean that all posts that ‘don’t seem right’ are allowed.

In a similar vein, it can feel like we’re not being listened to when giving job feedback. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that they’re not listening, just that they’re not able to implement things in the way people wanted. Personally the main problem I have with this is that the developers create jobs with a specific ‘identity’ for them in mind but then design the job or encounters in a way that’s completely contrary to their ‘identity’. Scholar and Bard come to mind (though that’s for another thread lol). But just because they’ve yet to find a reasonable answer doesn’t mean they haven’t looked. Or, they simply can’t find it yet. The developers are still humans lol, so they have their limits just as we all do. Thinking about it, it’s unfair to just expect them to conjure an answer to that sort of thing that’s going to satisfy everyone involved.

That’s why I think it’s good to consider this kind of thing as players/posters though, even if it wasn’t aimed directly at us. Even without meaning to sometimes we can have unrealistic or unfair expectations, or we let ourselves believe something without really considering the people on the other side. Or, well, I do lol. It’s not until you ‘air out’ those thoughts that you’ll ever see the mistakes in them though.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Questions:
Do you really think people who would mail knives and give death threats about a video game can be reasoned with?

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no, but one can try to do so, hence the letter being aimed at them

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Is it so farfetched to believe that a statement about verbal abuse and how it's not useful as feedback an can actually be harmful to future creativity is about people verbally abusing developers in general?

I'm aware a lot of people are taking it to extremes (as the forum always does) with "NO CRITICISM!" and "ABUSE CAN BE WARRANTED".. but .. I'd say the founding statement is at least partially asking for people to be less vitriolic in their criticisms or at least not call into question developers creds and dedication.

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I don't know why you keep implying that I think it's okay for people to spout vitriolic abuse towards the developers when I've said absolutely nowhere that it's okay, quite the opposite, in fact
but both you and I know that some people, whose (valid) complaints haven't been heard, addressed or just outright ignored, all while it's said that 'they read every bit of feedback', might become upset because they felt that they've been getting lied to - for years, in some instances (for example; MCHs ping issues which have been complained about since what, HW? and only during the EW live letter YoshiP seemed to have learned about it)
feeling angry about being lied to about something you care about is a very human thing, and that's the only thing I'm sympathetic about because insulting someone does frick all for your cause and is more likely to put people off your position


seconding the moderation thing from one of your later posts in response to Connor, though from my experience, it's very much hit and miss
most troll threads are allowed to thrive, people get banned for genuinely harmless jokes aimed at nobody or defending themselves, huge chunks of civil discussions getting removed without a word or reason, sometimes even just deleting one side from it (though that could've been the result of an FC mass reporting posts, so who knows)

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Originally Posted by Rinhi

no, but one can try to do so, hence the letter being aimed at them

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I really don't think this is a plea for people to stop being crazy. Cause you really cannot stop that and even less so with polite requests. Yoshi P is a reasonably internet savvy guy I'd say and old enough (and experienced enough) to understand what gamers are like. I honestly don't think he's addressing the fringe crazies here.

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I don't know why you keep implying that I think it's okay for people to spout vitriolic abuse towards the developers when I've said absolutely nowhere that it's okay, quite the opposite, in fact

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I'm not trying to do that, so if you're taking it that way I apologize and will do my best to clarify in the future. I am not accusing you of even tolerating abuse. I am advocating the ask as I see it, that's all.

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but both you and I know that some people, whose (valid) complaints haven't been heard, addressed or just outright ignored, all while it's said that 'they read every bit of feedback', might become upset because they felt that they've been getting lied to - for years, in some instances (for example; MCHs ping issues which have been complained about since what, HW? and only during the EW live letter YoshiP seemed to have learned about it)
feeling angry about being lied to about something you care about is a very human thing, and that's the only thing I'm sympathetic about because insulting someone does frick all for your cause and is more likely to put people off your position

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People will get angry and I understand that and I understand why. I just like to restate that I don't think that should ever spill over, which is just because I can personally keep it in or weigh it's actual value against being a human being, so as per usual human standard I don't feel it's all that hard NOT to post or respond like a rager. Failing to do so in this case likely being the product of overvaluing a video game or as Yoshi P. himself said "not seeing the human". Not a counter statement or judgement on your personal values, more of a restatement of what I'd like to see and what I do see.

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seconding the moderation thing from one of your later posts in response to Connor, though from my experience, it's very much hit and miss
most troll threads are allowed to thrive, people get banned for genuinely harmless jokes aimed at nobody or defending themselves, huge chunks of civil discussions getting removed without a word or reason, sometimes even just deleting one side from it (though that could've been the result of an FC mass reporting posts, so who knows)

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It is incredibly frustrating to see the troll threads thrive, but it's also important to learn from them. They VERY CAREFULLY skirt rules and often use them against contributory posters who seek to "put them in their place" or contribute to moderation. The jokes I've seen result in bans or removal almost always break CoC or forum rules, even if it's just the letter... I say people aren't seeing the trolls actual goals and think they're "clapping back" or getting something up on them when in reality a lot of people simply fall for the traps. Our resident returning trolls are incredibly careful and know the moderation teams methods and standards pretty well by now, a lot can be learned by seeing just how far they go and what things they absolutely will not touch.

I still think the team has gotten lazy with content. Despite budget increases and staff increases, the game gets less content and worst content.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

While they do not listen to everything we say.. and possibly not even MOST things we say, there are too many changes that line up with popular topics here to think there is NO influence from us.

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How do you know they aren't making the same complaints in the jp forums

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

I still think the team has gotten lazy with content. Despite budget increases and staff increases, the game gets less content and worst content.



How do you know they aren't making the same complaints in the jp forums

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Even after you were asked to stop using that term you continue. Now I know you are trolling and will now ignore your posts completely.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

Even after you were asked to stop using that term you continue. Now I know you are trolling and will now ignore your posts completely.

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Just because I was asked to stop using a term does not mean I have to. It describes what I think perfectly that the content feels lazy as it is more simplistic and there is less of it.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

I really feel you are being overly aggressive and accusing me of something I am not doing.

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then explain what were you trying to do with that comment?
you consider your post not going personal and calling him a troll as positive response and feedback to his claim?

he expressed how he feels about the content ,he didn't say they were lazy but the content being less and they started to get lazy and in no way was it being used as an insult but as a critique.
truth is you can call someone lazy, freedom of speech u know and he is allowed to think that way based on how he sees stuff and conjure based on how the content and changes that were pushed out and to be honest there is good evidence to think that way.

true or not, he can say that ,he did not attack anyone he did not insult anyone ,that is how he feel and the feedback he gave without being hurtful in any way.
if u felt hurt by the word lazy used in any form of content that's something else but none the less that feedback was none aggressive and expressed how he felt the content has been pushed out.

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Originally Posted by Snorky

I really feel you are being overly aggressive and accusing me of something I am not doing.

The term lazy is not a simple word it is a deratory and being used to insult. It doesn't convey any form of feed back expect for a illinformes opinion. The term is designed to illicit feelings of not being worthy it's being used in a hurtful manner. The truth is you can't call someone lazy with having proof such as being able to observe their activities and when you use the term in the manner it's being used it's an insult plan and simple.

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Just some life advice: If you tell people to censor themselves or avoid using certain words, expect the same thrown back at you. No one really has a right to tell anyone what to say or do.

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then explain what were you trying to do with that comment?
you consider your post not going personal and calling him a troll as positive response and feedback to his claim?

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This maybe symatics but I didn't call him a troll I said he was 'trolling" which is a action not a name. What would you call using the same derogatory term over and over ?

There is a distinction between the two. So it's okay to call the devs lazy but it's not okay to call out the person who is insulting them? Lazy is not feedback it's insulting.

someone who is upset, trolling is something else entirely it someone whose posts are there to agitate the community regardless of any of his thoughts just for the sheer feeling of him getting spotlight and aggravate an entire group.

you need to know the difference between a troll and someone genuinely caring about the game before making assumptions, he could be trolling i don't know but i wont dismiss it or call him a troll unless im certain or feel certain enough that those post are only to piss off everyone for his own pleasure.

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This maybe symatics but I didn't call him a troll I said he was 'trolling" which is a action not a name. What would you call using the same derogatory term over and over ?

There is a distinction between the two. So it's okay to call the devs lazy but it's not okay to call out the person who is insulting them? Lazy is not feedback it's insulting.

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call him out but calling out on a word is not calling him out, that is just you censoring and more precisely you tried to order him not to use that word, he refused.

we debate constantly in the forum defending out comments if needed with using solid and in context words and facts, its nothing new , the problem with your callout is u use the fact he wrote lazy as an insult when the context of the word is used to describe something else entirely, which in fact you are not calling someone on his comment u basically try to pressure him to censor nothing else about ur comment is feedback thats all.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

People said it was racist, derogatory, and agenda pushing as well.

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No. I said that it is a term of derogation, with a long history of being so.

The context of its use here, in this forum thread, is derogatory, with nothing in the way of actual 'criticism'. You yourself have acknowledged this fact because you complained "should I have used .... instead?". Where the answer would be "Yes".

In English one could say "indolent", which means pretty much the same thing, without the historical cruft attached directly to the word "lazy".

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No. I said that it is a term of derogation, with a long history of being so.

The context of its use here, in this forum thread, is derogatory, with nothing in the way of actual 'criticism'. You yourself have acknowledged this fact because you complained "should I have used .... instead?". Where the answer would be "Yes".

In English one could say "indolent", which means pretty much the same thing, without the historical cruft attached directly to the word "lazy".

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No I never asked if I should, I asked if it was preferred. That did not mean that I cared what the preference was. And you should probably reread what you posted as it heavily implied it was racist.

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No. I said that it is a term of derogation, with a long history of being so.

The context of its use here, in this forum thread, is derogatory, with nothing in the way of actual 'criticism'. You yourself have acknowledged this fact because you complained "should I have used .... instead?". Where the answer would be "Yes".

In English one could say "indolent", which means pretty much the same thing, without the historical cruft attached directly to the word "lazy".

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you expect everyone to know the word "indolent" or bring out the big dictionary and look it up?
or your expecting him to be a happy ,nice person when he posts his feedback after if his and others previous feedbacks have been ignore for years or left unanswered only to be replied it was read and completely ignored?
there is a limit to how much a person can take until he burst and denying feedback cause a person feel unheard is just folly.

not saying that a person should continue batting and insulting people is ok cause its not but disregarding a solid feedback with actual alarming concerns cause it did not fit your way of expressing is plain ignorance.
also treating them like they are not valid or members in the community is just as toxic, we all have our moments when we are really upset and vent but none the less those are genuine thoughts and concerns that come from a place of love to the game and the jobs design in this game.

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This aged in a pretty funny way considering that we're getting clown costumes in the upcoming All Saints' Wake event.

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No. I said that it is a term of derogation, with a long history of being so.

The context of its use here, in this forum thread, is derogatory, with nothing in the way of actual 'criticism'. You yourself have acknowledged this fact because you complained "should I have used .... instead?". Where the answer would be "Yes".

In English one could say "indolent", which means pretty much the same thing, without the historical cruft attached directly to the word "lazy".

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You're about the only person I've seen ever complain about the term and the complaint amounts to little more than "some people used it in a bad way in the past", as if it has even the slightest bit of relevance to how it's being used here. He could use indolent, although it's a bit much asking for most people to even know what that word means, but I am sure another person like you will join in to invent issues with using that term too.

I think he is quite right to persist in using the term and ignoring your "advice".

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It is entirely a relevant, valid and fairly constructive criticism to make. Healers are largely fairly stale jobs, but then the only concern surrounding this is.. How would you then design the system that allows for the leeway on people making mistakes and then having to interrupt your own rotation and sacrifice your own DPS as a result of other peoples' mistakes? The way I view this conundrum is that once you've learned the encounter, you're presented with oversimplification (which yes they are notorious for doing - Especially taking the opposite end of the spectrum for crafting), and then when you're learning or when groups are vastly less talented and prone to making mistakes, then, well that's where I personally would see issues coming into play. I think the only thing that would really need to be taken into consideration here is those designing the jobs are not necessarily the same people testing, and the very people testing the jobs arguably might not have the same proficiency as you do, or many of the people playing at a semi-competent level. Or arguably their design and testing methodology and philosophy might not take these things into account, where as per your second point inferring, may only be testing for barebone functionality and usability. <- Also a constructive argument to be made about their design philosophy.

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I would answer this point by making a series of Vanna White gestures at the healer subforum. You could make GCD healing spells proc a Verfire-ready style spell that's a double potency instant Glare so GCD healing has a lossless reward attached to it. Provide a stacking buff for maintaining your casts. Create kits with spells that, shockingly, actually interact with one another, instead of a collection of disjointed abilities that largely only perform "this spell does X potency damage/healing" functions that affect nothing casted before or after. Other MMOs have systems that attempt to solve this problem, with varying degrees of success.

The oft-snarked at craaaaaaazy healer forums have been suggesting all that and more since Heavensward, and they still get "but there's just no way to possibly make lower skilled healers not a-scared of the very hard scary bad impossible task of Cure spamming while thinking of literally anything else, so 1111111111111 is what you get!"

The only possible conclusions are that they don't read the healer forums at all, or that they think healer players are cabbage heads who must be padded with the softest of downy pillows at all times.

The game just focuses to much on casual content, that is not even that great in my opinion. Dungeons are now 2 mob packs and a boss, ARR had more dungeons post MSQ than the entire SHB expansion while we also received a new job mid expansion and Gold Saucer. Do you see where I am coming from where I feel everything has feels much more lazy? Gearing feels relatively pointless when the crafted set replaces it all before each raid tier so it makes the point of raiding pretty much just for glamour. I am not seeing where the budget increases have been going, I am not seeing where the larger team is being utilized. I am not seeing very good QA as far as class design and balance goes. Every one seems to forget this is a multi-billion dollar company and a team of close to 600 people working on this. It's not Yoshi P and 4 dudes in his parents basement. If they are going to produce less content at least produce good balanced class design, well thought out and intricate dungeons, and fix issues that have existed in this game since ARR.

I would not be surprised is Island Sanctuary was some how tied into the relic quest.

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I still think the team has gotten lazy with content. Despite budget increases and staff increases, the game gets less content and worst content.

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While we have gotten less of certain content, we have also gotten DIFFERENT content in exchange. You may not like it, you may not think it's "good", but it's there and evidence that work is still being done. Expressing a preference for certain content doesn't have to deride the content you don't like. I particularly don't enjoy Savage/extreme content. It seems extraneous, frustrating, and superfluous. However, I also don't speak against it since I understand it's not meant to be my thing. All I need to say is: I will likely never do it, so I don't want more of it.

All in all lazy implies they are avoiding doing work or doing less work or possibly less quality work when it's evident the same if not more effort is being put into content, just into different areas.

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How do you know they aren't making the same complaints in the jp forums

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The most obvious example being the gender-unlocked everything we're getting. This is not a JP ask and never has been. So much so that the developers thought it was a joke when people first asked for the bunny-suit to be male wearable (and maybe it was to begin with).

I also occasionally drop into the JP forums with my meager Japanese reading skills and some DeepL to see what they're talking about.. it's almost never the exact same things.

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While we have gotten less of certain content, we have also gotten DIFFERENT content in exchange. You may not like it, you may not think it's "good", but it's there and evidence that work is still being done. Expressing a preference for certain content doesn't have to deride the content you don't like. I particularly don't enjoy Savage/extreme content. It seems extraneous, frustrating, and superfluous. However, I also don't speak against it since I understand it's not meant to be my thing. All I need to say is: I will likely never do it, so I don't want more of it.

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Please give me an example of DIFFERENT content we got in exchange.

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Please give me an example of DIFFERENT content we got in exchange.

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Eureka, Save the Queen, Faux Hollows, Firmament.

There's 4. Again it's important to remember that just because you don't care about it, doesn't mean they didn't have to work at it.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Eureka, Save the Queen, Faux Hollows, Firmament.

There's 4. Again it's important to remember that just because you don't care about it, doesn't mean they didn't have to work at it.

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Eureka is about the same as fates, Save the queen same thing. Faux Hallows(do more of this cause this was a good idea but add mechanics so it feels a little more fresh), firmament is basically collectables and you get a scratch off and rank... Most of that stuff was already in the game. Sure the new 24 mans were cool but we had those too. The only new thing in all that was really just the 40 man dungeons.

How do those things compare to stuff like deep dungeon, which was unique, heaven on high its crappy reskin, a new class, and golden saucer? It's not about whether I like it its about if its good or unique they used to do that sort of stuff. I don't like deep dungeon but that is an example of good interesting content that could have been even better with polish. Whens the last time we even got something simple like a new choco race track? So yeah I think I am justified in my complaint that I lost content for the current stuff they are adding.

I don't know if your not seeing a problem with us getting less than we did when the game had a smaller team and budget then I don't know what to tell you, but I have seen better out of this game so I maintain those sort of expectations, as I feel I should.

If you just accept that Yoshi P does no wrong then you will let the game go down hill as it has been with post MSQ content. Next will be the MSQ.

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Eureka is about the same as fates, Save the queen same thing. Faux Hallows(do more of this cause this was a good idea but add mechanics so it feels a little more fresh), firmament is basically collectables and you get a scratch off and rank... Most of that stuff was already in the game. Sure the new 24 mans were cool but we had those too. The only new thing in all that was really just the 40 man dungeons.

How do those things compare to stuff like deep dungeon, which was unique, heaven on high its crappy reskin, a new class, and golden saucer? It's not about whether I like it its about if its good or unique they used to do that sort of stuff. I don't like deep dungeon but that is an example of good interesting content that could have been even better with polish. Whens the last time we even got something simple like a new choco race track? So yeah I think I am justified in my complaint that I lost content for the current stuff they are adding.

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I mean if you want to grossly oversimplify it then deep dungeon is effectively reusable square rooms with very little aesthetic deviation from floor to floor - and festered with reused bosses and trash mobs from both open world fates. It's not exactly the most innovative piece of content in the world. Every single mob and boss in that place is derived either from a FATE or a dungeon boss.

I don't know why you're talking about classes taken into account we've had Blue Mage which until the last expansion saw ongoing updates and a carnival in addition to the standard 2-3 additional classes per expansion. Gold Saucer is a vast place with content that exists outside of chocobo racing. We've seen expansions and additions to the GATEs and the jumping puzzles practically every single expansion, in addition to Mahjong. This trend has been fairly consistent since the first expansion. With the only exception being that we have less dungeons which is as much attributed to the development of content such as the 48-man raids, the 2 additional 24 man raids, and ultimate content.

It just seems to me like you're only paying attention to areas or pieces of data that conform to your narrative. We've had the same amount of content we've always had, potentially more, except said content is more sparsely spread across the game. They just utilise pre-existing systems in the game and try to innovate on that. E.g. expert recipes. Which need I might add is the first time since HW that people have ideally wanted to manually craft and think as opposed to snatching a macro, and is one of the few situations where the game has seen en-masse collaboration.

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Eureka is about the same as fates, Save the queen same thing. Faux Hallows(do more of this cause this was a good idea but add mechanics so it feels a little more fresh), firmament is basically collectables and you get a scratch off and rank... Most of that stuff was already in the game. Sure the new 24 mans were cool but we had those too. The only new thing in all that was really just the 40 man dungeons.

How do those things compare to stuff like deep dungeon, which was unique, heaven on high its crappy reskin, a new class, and golden saucer? It's not about whether I like it its about if its good or unique they used to do that sort of stuff. I don't like deep dungeon but that is an example of good interesting content that could have been even better with polish. Whens the last time we even got something simple like a new choco race track? So yeah I think I am justified in my complaint that I lost content for the current stuff they are adding.

I don't know if your not seeing a problem with us getting less than we did when the game had a smaller team and budget then I don't know what to tell you, but I have seen better out of this game so I maintain those sort of expectations, as I feel I should.

If you just accept that Yoshi P does no wrong then you will let the game go down hill as it has been with post MSQ content. Next will be the MSQ.

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what he said just applies in different content to play but they should have another team that is responsible for balance and job design.

dps got different abilities all around, tanks and healers got the same thing across all jobs for example all healers got are potencies buffs to existing spells, 1 ogcd buff and 1 spell is that u call hard work? not to mention those spells already exist in the game in given forms and nothing truly new about them.
and for balance issues whm dont keep his lilies or charge them outside of battle or when dead, not to mention his mp costs were not adjusted or assize mp regen adjusted cause of the thin air changes making him the worst prog healer among the 2 pure healers.
something that could have been already easily alleviated in 6.01 or at 6.05 yet not done despite given feedback.

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Eureka is about the same as fates, Save the queen same thing. Faux Hallows(do more of this cause this was a good idea but add mechanics so it feels a little more fresh), firmament is basically collectables and you get a scratch off and rank... Most of that stuff was already in the game. Sure the new 24 mans were cool but we had those too. The only new thing in all that was really just the 40 man dungeons.

How do those things compare to stuff like deep dungeon, which was unique, heaven on high its crappy reskin, a new class, and golden saucer? It's not about whether I like it its about if its good or unique they used to do that sort of stuff. I don't like deep dungeon but that is an example of good interesting content that could have been even better with polish. Whens the last time we even got something simple like a new choco race track? So yeah I think I am justified in my complaint that I lost content for the current stuff they are adding.

I don't know if your not seeing a problem with us getting less than we did when the game had a smaller team and budget then I don't know what to tell you, but I have seen better out of this game so I maintain those sort of expectations, as I feel I should.

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I was pretty sure this was going to be the answer, denial that any of that took work, it's pretty telling you've reduced Eureka and Save the queen to "same as fates" when they're entire new zones, the "fates" were basically boss encounters, and save the queen took that even farther with critical engagements that ARE boss encounters, some with unique formats.... but sure.. handwave it all away and keep denying that all of that required work from somewhere. Not to mention they have their own leveling systems , and the elemental and lost action aspects.

Keep in mind here that although I did them, I ONLY did them because of what was locked behind them. I DISLIKED both of those implementations and felt they were unnecessary throwbacks to old styles of MMO and were not only grindy and frustrating to traverse, but have a problem with longevity if people don't continue to populate them heavily.

I'm not going to convince you, but I'll keep saying we are getting things instead of what we used to, even if it's not stuff you or I want.

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If you just accept that Yoshi P does no wrong then you will let the game go down hill as it has been with post MSQ content. Next will be the MSQ.

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Yoshi P is human and not some idol. We appreciate what he does and his dedication not only to his job but that he himself is a gamer and understands the journey.

The developers are also human and sometimes make bad decisions or don't change things as we'd like. This doesn't mean we have to level accusatory derision at them. Tell them what we don't like, sometimes multiple times. Tell them what you DO like.

Why you insist on making a judgement call on the ethic behind the work is a mystery.

I do wonder. I mean, you are never going to like all different kind of content that Creative Business Unit 3 cooks up for the game, that is an eventuality.
But as much as I will accept the fact that we are living in the games as service era, and community connections feel more and more necessary for the success of any game right now, I don't think it will ever be possible to have players truly have the ability to change drastically the direction of the game.

I know it is hopeless, but please do not take these things personally. Sometimes people post stuff like "This is the last straw! I am leaving" as like the ultimate dig, but actually... That is how you ought to behave, just quietly and politely. Just ... stop playing the game when you no longer find joy in it. Then either return or not depending on if it ever changes. I used to be a huge fan of League of Legends, but only for a specific Dominion mode the game had. One year Riot Games removed the game mode from the game, and I quit playing the game. That is it. I did not try to petition for its future, that would had been hopeless. You get something, you accept that. You lose something, you accept that. They are not doing it out of malice, out to get YOU. Relationship between game devs and players will never be truly personal, because players are merely a massive mass of nameless people and for devs it is a dayjob that you work paycheck to paycheck.

I feel like most of the arguing over the job changes and shouting about tone could of been avoided if even one representative posted a bog-standard response like "Thank you for your feedback, we will take this into consideration" or at least interacted with any of the threads in some way, shape, or form.

Instead what happens is these threads will go for weeks, months or even years at a time with nary a peep from anyone up top whatsoever. Not even so much as a "thank you for your feedback" tossed their way. For all intents and purposes it feels like yelling into a void where you have absolutely no idea if even one community rep is looking in on them. As a result, frustration continues to mount and tensions build up as posters feel like their issues are going completely unheard. Throw in a few bad actors trying to get a rise out of others and eventually it reaches a boiling point.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

I feel like most of the arguing over the job changes and shouting about tone could of been avoided if even one representative posted a bog-standard response like "Thank you for your feedback, we will take this into consideration" or at least interacted with any of the threads in some way, shape, or form.

Instead what happens is these threads will go for weeks, months or even years at a time with nary a peep from anyone up top whatsoever. Not even so much as a "thank you for your feedback" tossed their way. For all intents and purposes it feels like yelling into a void where you have absolutely no idea if even one community rep is looking in on them. As a result, frustration continues to mount and tensions build up as posters feel like their issues are going completely unheard. Throw in a few bad actors trying to get a rise out of others and eventually it reaches a boiling point.

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I do absolutely agree that there should be much, much, much more actual official communication on the English speaking side of things. In fact, if I had one personal critique of the FF14 development team it would be that while they rather frequently do talk at us, they almost never actually talk to/with us (or even to/with us via community representatives like content creators outside of rare media events). But, that said, I don't really know if them simply acknowledging things would be all that helpful. Without more detailed responses, there are an unfortunately many players who will take basic acknowledgements as promises or as open ended commitments the developers are going to do whatever they wanted them to do. It might be better but I can see why the developers might not see it that way.