Poll: Which of these FF jobs would you like to see added to XIV next? (Post ShB)

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Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia

Your stance, plainly put, reeks of bias really. You don't want Astrologian, Gunbreaker, or anything else to count as a new job because you see that as somehow diminishing "Assassin's" non-existent chances. Yes, multiple jobs took a bit of time to get to a more solidified role. No, that does not mean that Astrologian in any meaningful way is an old job. When you can point to the bulk of its moveset and show how it ties in to Oran from FFT then you would have an argument. Show me Benefic, Malefic, Synastry, so on and so forth. You can't. I can do that with the bulk of the jobs in this game, the ones who can't? Basically the ones that I'm saying were made up whole cloth for this game. You can look at the history of White Mage and show where most of its skillset might have come from. XIV has made new jobs. Plain and simple. Beyond the scope of changing things so it fits into a new system. If you define a job by a name and nothing else then your stance for what constitutes a job is extremely shallow, and lacking in critical reasoning. When you call Astrologian an old job? That's what you're doing.

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I am not arguing why Modern Assassin Job should exist with my comment. I am Arguing about that Astrologian and Gunbreaker did exist in past FF games even if they did not look like they do in FF14 today. Not to be rude nor offend you but the only one who is currently thinking I am trying to justify introducing Modern Assassin job using Astrologian and Gunbreaker is you.

As I said our opinion of what can and cannot be considered a new Job in the FF seres varies because, in my opinion, you based what is a new job in FF series by their skill and how they are designed currently rather than how they are designed in the past before FF?? Game and the influence these past versions had on current versions of the Job today.



I based the idea of a new job in FF series based on their history no matter how small they started out in FF series because their origins is what leads to their identity in current and future FF games as these game expand and add more to these jobs.

As I said before, Astrologian did exists before FF14 but it was basically in its infancy stage being the only thing that existed was the name and character identity it was linked to being Orran from FFtactics. It is from there we see the origins of Astrologian job in FF game series as this is where Astrologian Job earned the first recongnition in the FF series then it finally got expanded on by introducing the new skills in FF14 which some skills became inflenced by Orran's lore in past FF games being the Tarot cards mechanic. Yes, Orran himself never had these skills that FF14 has for the job and only had Celestial Stasis but he is the first character to introduce the Astrologian Job by name and introduce the signature skill Celestial Stasis into the FF series. As FF seires continue the Astrologian Job can be expanded even more in the future in other FF games adding things into the Job identity that not even FF14 added into it.

Same with Gunbreaker Job being originally Squall Job in FF8. It did not have the name Gunbreaker yet back then but it was unique to Squall/Seifer when FF8 was introduced and was commonly referred as Squall job or Gunblade Job until FF14 gave it a name to go by being Gunbreaker. The identity of Gunbreaker Job get expanded even more into Lightning as she introduced the more Gun function version of Gunblades with her gameplay and take on the Gunblade Job. We then see its return in FF14 with the lore of being the original version of Gunblades and Garlean version being a separate copy in the opinions of the NPCs. We can see both influence of Squall/Seifer/Lightning when the skills were designed such as Squall/Seifer combat melee skills with the Gunblade and having Lightning's offensive gun function replaced to fire the defensive Light Barrier Ammos. We can expect future FF games to expand on this more that not even FF14 current may not be able to thus adding more History to the what was once called the "Squall Job" and potential skills the job can do as FF series expands on it in both future expansions of FF14 (still got a new set of Expansions of storyline in 7.0 and beyond after Season 1 ends in 6.0 to 6.3) and future FF games that introduce new characters that uses the Gunblade.

Dark Knight, as another example, did not begin as we know it with Cecil but instead did start out its life in infancy with Leon. Leon gave the Dark Knight Job its very existance into the FF game being the first character to have the Dark Knight Job in FF2 and then the dark knight obtain its job skill identity in FF4 with Cecil take on the Dark Knight and introducing the iconic skill Darkness.

The past history of the Jobs are important no matter how small they are in the past because they are what builds these jobs into what they are today and influence their design. You can discard any past iterations of these jobs all you want simply because they do not have the skill kits they have today but you cannot discard how heavily influenced they are by these past iterations even if they started out with only a name, or without a name in certain cases, a character it was once exclusive to, and a few skills.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

You say the game is missing these 'basic jobs', but they are missing specifically because they are too basic. It's the same reason we don't have Thief or Archer as 'jobs'. Thief doesn't have enough unique identity to make it a full job in FFXIV. It worked in past games because all jobs needed in those games was one unique skill. That's why it was amalgamated into Ninja.
Same with Archer, shooting arrows isn't enough on its own, so it was bundled in with Bard, because both their weapons use 'strings' with a similar aesthetic.
Astrologian too, combines Astrologer, Gambler and Time Mage. Although I'm sure they could have come up with a full job concept for Time Mage as a DPS, Astro as a healer probably needed more going for it so they took parts from Time Mage, and after all, Orran's Astrologer was basically a special Time Mage, like how 'Magus' is typically a special Black Mage.
Going a bit less obvious now, we have Warrior, who combines classic Warrior with Berserker and Viking.
Plus Scholar, which uses the namesake of a job from FFIII, but is essentially an Orator with a fairy as a pet.
All of the concepts that went into these jobs, were not enough to stand on their own, so they found homes in job combinations.

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I say the Job's history is important no matter how small it is. Certain jobs did start out as simply altered or slightly better versions of X or Y job but will later become more unique through several iterations in other FF games. It usually begins with a Job name and/or character they associate with then expands into what we know the Job as today through the additions and alterations of the Job in multiple FF games by the additions of new skills unique to the job and through their lore in those FF games that originally never existed in past FF games.

Leon from FF2, for example, is the one who created the Dark knight name and iconic appearance with his armor in his arts for the FF series but due to how he was in FF2 with his skill sets certain amount of people do not event recognize him as the OG Dark Knight and will default to Cecil because Cecil established the iconic Dark Knight identity with Darkness. When hearing the name Leon, they often default to Squall Leonhart instead due to his name being Leonhart as well and due to how Squall established the Gunblade Job identity into FF series.

Everything has a origin no matter how small it is and through that origin they build on top of it by adding lore, skills, and appearance additions we know them as today and in future iterations though multiple FF games.

so far the two that interest me are Necromancer and Oracle due to having unique concepts. Spellsword or Mystic knight seems too familiar to Red mage...buuut as RDM is far more focused on caster crap, MYS could be more focused on melee with caster finisers a inverse RDm if u will

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Originally Posted by Hank_Hotspur

I don't understand people who think another melee dps is preposterous. I know we have a lot, but they are popular so square will probably keep adding them. It seems like people only think about future jobs that "make sense", but are using criteria that has been proven false by the time Stormblood came out. Sure it "made sense" that Heavensward had a tank, healer, and rdps, but with only two dps jobs for Stormblood, and 1 dps and 1 tank for Shadowbringers, it shows that the devs will only work on something they have a feel for a concept, not that something players think is "owed".

Its the same with weapons too to a degree. While I don't think a "gun and sword" job is likely in the future, people going on about how a new job would never use a similar weapon to another is wrong, seeing how many jobs weapons are swords. It would just mean the "base" weapon would be different, but overlap is still possible, seeing how DRK's can get giant katanas without being SAMs or PLDs having axe models that aren't WARs. I mean WHM and BLM basically use the same type of weapon, there isn't much difference between a "cane" and "staff", its just that they make different models.

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It’s not preposterous in general, it’s just not likely for the next dps class to be released. Because we have so many. Why would we get a 5th melee already? When we just got Samurai and Red Mage in stormblood putting those 2 roles at their now 4 and 3. 5 melee with the other 2 dps roles at 3 each is.... just why???

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Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia

1. I listed them because while they have the name they're basically invented whole cloth. Which is why I... quite literally said "basically made almost whole cloth". The part where they aren't is that they do have a name previously used, but... that's really about it.

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If that's the case then literally all Jobs in every FF game are new because they aren't all exactly the same across every game.

Can we please get necromancer? Holy hell, I'd be totally down.

I was thinking how I'd combine Necromancer and Chemist into a healer job with a tech setting in garlean lore.


Then I remembered Aulus Mal Alsina, the doctor that studies the Echo by transfusing aether and souls into different bodies.

So I pitch to you, the Aetheromancer, or Animancer. Essentially a doctor/battlefield medic that uses an aethermixer/to create artifical life (Much how the Scholar fairies are artifical) then imbue it into living/nonliving things. It would be a job using "healing turrets" much like totems for shamans in old WoW. You could spawn these "dispensers" and your skills would interact with them, changing what they do , either turning them into animated aetheric constructs that would attack the enemy, or simply medical turrets that refill the health/boost/debuff nearby targets.

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

...changing what they do , either turning them into animated aetheric constructs that would attack the enemy, or simply medical turrets that refill the health/boost/debuff nearby targets.

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Wasn't that MCH's old gimmick in Heavensward?

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

It’s not preposterous in general, it’s just not likely for the next dps class to be released. Because we have so many. Why would we get a 5th melee already? When we just got Samurai and Red Mage in stormblood putting those 2 roles at their now 4 and 3. 5 melee with the other 2 dps roles at 3 each is.... just why???

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Honestly would either count red mage as either both or just ranged, because it spends most of it's time not using melee skills.

So anyway you have 4 melee dps and 6 ranged dps jobs. If we want we can add healers and tanks just because, so you have 8 melee and 9 ranged.

I don't think it's unreasonable for another melee damage job.

Though personally I think it would be neat if it was designed vaguely as a mirror/foil to Red Mage, which is why I started talking about a Sauron/Golbez melee bruiser/might mage that built up large aoe influences on the battle field and then used those in conjunction with their physical might to do things like punch the earth in front of a monster so hard that a giant outcropping shard impales them, clench their fist mace down to drown enemies in a torrential sphere of water, mace swing down and create a pillar of fire at their target's feet, etc.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Honestly would either count red mage as either both or just ranged, because it spends most of it's time not using melee skills.

So anyway you have 4 melee dps and 6 ranged dps jobs. If we want we can add healers and tanks just because, so you have 8 melee and 9 ranged.

I don't think it's unreasonable for another melee damage job.

Though personally I think it would be neat if it was designed vaguely as a mirror/foil to Red Mage, which is why I started talking about a Sauron/Golbez melee bruiser/might mage that built up large aoe influences on the battle field and then used those in conjunction with their physical might to do things like punch the earth in front of a monster so hard that a giant outcropping shard impales them, clench their fist mace down to drown enemies in a torrential sphere of water, mace swing down and create a pillar of fire at their target's feet, etc.

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It is rather difficult to truely categorize what can and cannot be introduced in the game since we are not developers of the Jobs nor what can be next released.

I say the conflict of categorizing Job roles is very mixed because different people categorize the job roles different.

We have, from what I seen, cateogry of....

1) Role - Physical or Magical - Melee or Range

2) Role - Melee or Range

3) Physical or Magical - Melee or Range.

4) Melee or Range

The #1 category seem to be the more popular opinion by the player base from what i seen but if we go by this then we are lacking a Magical Melee DPS Job as all prvious Melee DPS Jobs have been Physical Melee DPS Job focused and all previous Magic Damage jobs are based on being Range attackers. Red Mage by FF14 standards has been slotted as Magical Range DPS Job by the developers and DF grouping category recognizing it as a Magic Range DPS Job with the melee side of thing just a Mechanic to use up the Job's energy system though they have started to introduce other ways to spend the energy with their first Range attack that use of that energy system in 5.0.

If we follow Category #2 then we have 4 Tanks, 4 Melee DPS, 6 Range DPS, and 3 Healers.

Category #3 will be 8 Physical Melee Jobs, 3 Physical Range Jobs, and 6 Magical Range Jobs.

By Category #4, it will be considered 8 Melee and 9 Range.

It gets very complicated when arguing over what can and cannot because we don't know how the developers truely recognize what should and should not be introduced.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Honestly would either count red mage as either both or just ranged, because it spends most of it's time not using melee skills.

So anyway you have 4 melee dps and 6 ranged dps jobs. If we want we can add healers and tanks just because, so you have 8 melee and 9 ranged.

I don't think it's unreasonable for another melee damage job.

Though personally I think it would be neat if it was designed vaguely as a mirror/foil to Red Mage, which is why I started talking about a Sauron/Golbez melee bruiser/might mage that built up large aoe influences on the battle field and then used those in conjunction with their physical might to do things like punch the earth in front of a monster so hard that a giant outcropping shard impales them, clench their fist mace down to drown enemies in a torrential sphere of water, mace swing down and create a pillar of fire at their target's feet, etc.

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Lucky for us it doesn't matter how we could count anything for red mage, it could spend 100% of it's time casting or 100% of it's time doing enchanted melee combos, either way it is listed as a caster. Since the 5.0 patch notes list the 5 roles as Tank, Healer, Melee, Caster and Physical ranged!

So yeah I can see where you are coming from with 4 vs 6, but that is not how the game splits the different classes. Otherwise BLM and MCh would both be adding an intellect bonus to our parties/raids. So it's not 4 melee vs 6 ranged, it's 4 melee vs 3 caster vs 3 physical ranged.

It's in the Shadowbringers 5.0 patch notes if anyone cares to dispute this.

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Originally Posted by BasicBlake

Lucky for us it doesn't matter how we could count anything for red mage, it could spend 100% of it's time casting or 100% of it's time doing enchanted melee combos, either way it is listed as a caster. Since the 5.0 patch notes list the 5 roles as Tank, Healer, Melee, Caster and Physical ranged!

So yeah I can see where you are coming from with 4 vs 6, but that is not how the game splits the different classes. Otherwise BLM and MCh would both be adding an intellect bonus to our parties/raids. So it's not 4 melee vs 6 ranged, it's 4 melee vs 3 caster vs 3 physical ranged.

It's in the Shadowbringers 5.0 patch notes if anyone cares to dispute this.

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You said melee damage is less likely because of the spread, so I simply suggested a melee damage job that is also a caster.

Meaning it's in the caster group but is primarily melee (unlike red mage which is primarily ranged). Just make sure it has the casting portion of the job in the mechanics lol, actually casts spells.

My intention was to show it seems like people are attempting ascertain a certain future when SE could easily just as well do something unusual based on the play style themselves. Another melee dps, but not under the category of melee dps.

So I know you're discussing strictly roles but I'm discussing mechanics, how the job is rather than what color of group it gets added to because frankly I don't care what the group is I only care how it plays. I get you're saying for aesthetic balance it makes sense to balance out the overarching roles but also for the sake of fact checking and whatever here is blue mage (hahaha) making the magic roles balanced to melee:

https://i.imgur.com/aUMNrh8.png

So according to this we need another physical ranged lol.

Anyway, while every role being a nice 4 4 4 4 would be pretty I'm not sure if SE cares to make it even in the end, at least especially if they find an idea that they're interested in more at least. Would be nice but not needed sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

You said melee damage is less likely because of the spread, so I simply suggested a melee damage job that is also a caster.

Meaning it's in the caster group but is primarily melee (unlike red mage which is primarily ranged). Just make sure it has the casting portion of the job in the mechanics lol, actually casts spells.

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This is very true, and it's one of the reasons why I've long figured that a spellsword/rune knight/relic knight style class would be interesting. It could essentially function as a class that operates in melee range but that uses magic damage/stats. Lest we forget that all melee classes used to operate using TP so it's not even like a melee class that needed to use a set resource pool for most of it's kit would really even be something completely new to the game.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Wasn't that MCH's old gimmick in Heavensward?

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Yeah. It served better as a support mechanic, which would give this new job something to manage during the prevalent healing downtime.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

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1. You said that Yoshida wants to create a new to FFXIV job. You then said that this is the chance for Assassin. If Yoshida has created a job for FFXIV that is new then it obviously no longer holds true. Whether you realize it or not you spelled this out very clearly.

2. I look at the job history in totality and see how it lines up. If a representation is enough of a significant fork then it's basically a new job, even if it shares a name. I wouldn't call Scholar (FFTA2) the same thing as Scholar (FFXIV) just because they share a name, that's patently absurd.

3. Ultimately none of your arguments on Astrologian or Gunbreaker as being old jobs make a lick of sense. They're basically invented whole cloth for this game.

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Originally Posted by Hank_Hotspur

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1. Really? So you're saying, for instance, that Black Mage has zero consistent (if not constant) abilities across all of its incarnations? None, at all? You really need to play more games then or pay attention in them if you think that's the case. Especially when what I'm talking about is more along the lines of a theme. Nowhere did I say "they had to be the exact same" so you're just creating a strawman. Surprising (not).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

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1. Except that the category is "Magic Ranged" not simply "Magic".

2. Another Physical Ranged job is on the list of jobs to add certainly, yes.

3. Presumably Limited Jobs don't count towards this. If they do then it's kind of hard to say what they'll do.

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Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia

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We will just have to agree to disagree in the end of this because our views completely differs from each other on what defines a Job's origin and history in FF series.

What's the new stats?

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Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia

1. Except that the category is "Magic Ranged" not simply "Magic".

2. Another Physical Ranged job is on the list of jobs to add certainly, yes.

3. Presumably Limited Jobs don't count towards this. If they do then it's kind of hard to say what they'll do.

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Very true, to be completely honest they're still DoW / DoM in my mind as a way they used to more prominently separate them out long ago lol (sort of still do but obviously not how the job guide or job UI in game does). I think my intended point still stands very well to the person though. That it's 4 tanks 4 melee 3 healers 4 ranged magical and 3 ranged physical and so if we demand parity of roles just by looking at how SE organizes things then another DD ranged magical isn't technically 'due'- but I also don't' really believe SE has to follow or can't just reorganize the groups. Which was to show we can argue everything six different ways and no one should be 100% certain, but yeah clearly says magical 'ranged'. ;).

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1. Yeet me lol, aye true
2. Yeah, if we're going by fill in the blank it seems to be the case.
3. My point exactly, hard to say for sure especially because they put it into that area as if it counts. They could have made a limited job panel but they didn't. I would be for a limited job panel, just because I don't want to look at it or making it actually earn that slot in magical ranged but eh can just change my avatar to the gremlin from the ShB trailer with a blue mage mask on cursing everything ;).

Ultimately I don't care to stop people from wanting certain things, we all have a bias / want. I don't really in general try to take things away or say things are impossible, if anything what I'm saying here is whatever strict formula or rules you see are entirely there only until SE decides not to care and even if we demanded SE follows them (which they don't 'have to') then ranged caster isn't 'technically' due for another position. But even if it's not technically doesn't really mater, cause if there is enough demand and it's fun that's what really matters.

Fun > some silly rules. Of course you can take that to the extreme like that meme tic tac toe example, but I mean in a general sense lol. :p.

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Originally Posted by Kiurai

What's the new stats?

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Out of 2,034 votes

1st. Mystic Knight/Rune Fencer/Spellblade: 309 votes (15% of the vote) (No change in placement)

2nd. Chemist: 302 votes (15%) (No change)

3rd. Time Mage: 214 votes (11%) (No change)

4th. Gunner/Fusilier: 168 votes (8%) (No change)

5th. Necromancer: 150 votes (7%) (No change)

6th. Beastmaster: 134 votes (7%) (No change)

7th. Geomancer: 126 votes (6%) (No changes)

8th. Puppetmaster: 74 votes (4%) (Went up by 1)

9th. Green Mage: 73 votes (4%) (Went down by 1)

10th. Sword Saint: 59 votes (3%) (No change)

11th. Chocobo Knight: 46 votes (2%) (No change)

12th. Judgemaster: 43 votes (2%) (No change)

13th. Hunter/Ranger/Sniper: 41 votes (2%) (No change)

14th. Mystic/Oracle: 39 votes (2%) (No changes)

15th. Viking: 38 votes (2%) (No changes)

16th. Corsair: 31 votes (2%) (No changes)

17th-18th. Illusionist and Psychic: 22 votes each (1% each) (Illusionist went up by 1, Psychic didn't change)

19th. Arithmetician/Calculator: 21 votes (1%) (No changes)

20th. Elementalist: 16 votes (1%) (No changes)

21st. Morpher: 15 votes (1%) (No changes)

22nd-24th. Cannoneer/Flintlock, Dragonkin, and Sage: 14 votes each (1% each) (No changes for any of them)

25th. Onion Knight/Memorist/Storyteller: 13 votes (1%) (Went down by 1)

26th. Mascot: 10 votes (<1%) (No changes)

27th-28th. Juggler and Orator/Mediator: 8 votes (<1%) (Juggler went up by 1, No change for Orator/Mediator)

29th. Animist: 6 votes (<1%) (No changes)

30th. Pictomancer: 4 votes (<1%) (No changes)

I've posted about this in the other thread on jobs, but my position for what it's worth is:

My Assumptions:
1) Jobs (or really any additions) are chosen based on what will sell the expansion/get fans excited. $$$
2) Job choices are not forced to fill missing "gaps" in roles. (4 magical ranged including BLU before a 3rd physical ranged)
3) The way roles are organized is fluid. (It used to just be Melee DPS and Ranged DPS)
4) New jobs can be influenced by the place we're going. but this is not a requirement. (YoshiP was originally planning to do SAM in HW)


Job History
2.0: 2 Tanks, 2 Healers, 2 Melee DPS, 3 Ranged DPS (Initial Release)
2.x:+1 Melee (Balance of 3 Melee and 3 Ranged DPS)
3.0 +1 Tank, +1 Ranged, +1 Healer. (Ranged "split" to Magical Ranged and Physical Ranged)
4.0 +1 Magical Ranged, +1 Melee
4.x +1 Magic Ranged (Can be ignored, it's BLU)
5.0 +1 Physical Ranged, +1 Tank

My Guess
A healer and melee DPS as second; Possible magical ranged instead, but I'd bet on melee.

I still feel like only releasing two jobs is not enough for a full boxed expansion. A full price expansion should come with a full light party of 4. If they do two at release, they should do 2 more during the post-release patches.

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Originally Posted by Waaltar

I still feel like only releasing two jobs is not enough for a full boxed expansion. A full price expansion should come with a full light party of 4. If they do two at release, they should do 2 more during the post-release patches.

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They already explained how much development hell it was to get 3 for HW. They were even leery at doing 2. With how lackluster the release of Viera and Hrothgar were, I think they should scale BACK adding anything new that would need constant curating (namely jobs/races) to make sure whatever that IS released is of top shelf quality.

Granted, they could just hire more people, but at what cost?

Not "crapping" on your idea, it'd be wonderful to get 4 new jobs! It's just not something the devs want to do as far as we know.

I'd rather them just release 1 or NO jobs in the next expansion and spend that time on some TLC.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I've posted about this in the other thread on jobs, but my position for what it's worth is:

My Assumptions:
1) Jobs (or really any additions) are chosen based on what will sell the expansion/get fans excited. $$$
2) Job choices are not forced to fill missing "gaps" in roles. (4 magical ranged including BLU before a 3rd physical ranged)
3) The way roles are organized is fluid. (It used to just be Melee DPS and Ranged DPS)
4) New jobs can be influenced by the place we're going. but this is not a requirement. (YoshiP was originally planning to do SAM in HW)


Job History
2.0: 2 Tanks, 2 Healers, 2 Melee DPS, 3 Ranged DPS (Initial Release)
2.x:+1 Melee (Balance of 3 Melee and 3 Ranged DPS)
3.0 +1 Tank, +1 Ranged, +1 Healer. (Ranged "split" to Magical Ranged and Physical Ranged)
4.0 +1 Magical Ranged, +1 Melee
4.x +1 Magic Ranged (Can be ignored, it's BLU)
5.0 +1 Physical Ranged, +1 Tank

My Guess
A healer and melee DPS as second; Possible magical ranged instead, but I'd bet on melee.

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Hmm...

1. I mean, this is kind of a very obvious statement, with the caveat that different demographics like different things so it isn't always a 1:1 most popular gets in.
2. So, there is an important thing here that I feel you missed. We got a 3rd magical ranged because they didn't want to repeat roles in Stormblood (or in general) and we just got a physical ranged in Heavensward. Ignoring Blue Mage (as a Limited job it really doesn't count) they've been pretty consistent (granted for all of three expansions) about mixing roles up.
3. This is definitely true, but at five jobs and (mostly) five typical sets of armor (melee has three, but they're mostly cosmetic) it seems the most consistent stance so far.
4. Definitely true. With the additional caveat that you can adapt jobs. It's not like anything about Red Mage screams Ala Mhigo, they just gave it a backstory from there. Honestly outside of Samurai in Stormblood the other jobs don't feel especially strongly tied to the area in an exclusive sense.

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Originally Posted by MirronTulaxia

Hmm...

1. I mean, this is kind of a very obvious statement, with the caveat that different demographics like different things so it isn't always a 1:1 most popular gets in.
2. So, there is an important thing here that I feel you missed. We got a 3rd magical ranged because they didn't want to repeat roles in Stormblood (or in general) and we just got a physical ranged in Heavensward. Ignoring Blue Mage (as a Limited job it really doesn't count) they've been pretty consistent (granted for all of three expansions) about mixing roles up.
3. This is definitely true, but at five jobs and (mostly) five typical sets of armor (melee has three, but they're mostly cosmetic) it seems the most consistent stance so far.
4. Definitely true. With the additional caveat that you can adapt jobs. It's not like anything about Red Mage screams Ala Mhigo, they just gave it a backstory from there. Honestly outside of Samurai in Stormblood the other jobs don't feel especially strongly tied to the area in an exclusive sense.

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2. Yeah! On your number 2 I meant along those lines, but that they aren't REQUIRED to fill missing slots; they could introduce ANOTHER tank before another healer, if their data showed more people want to play tanks, or whatnot.
3. Agreed; I think they will release jobs based on the actual set they use more than what they are grouped with. Again don't think they're forced, but I would suspect a maiming or scouting job before slaying.

Oh definitely. None of those are required. I do think that they try to keep a (relatively) even parity between the various roles. For instance, assuming we kept getting two jobs per expansion, the one after the next one will have a Physical Ranged, and one of Tank or Melee Ranged, and balancing it from there still. If we looked at it from a data point, I'm not sure we could see any more tanks or healers, DPS are just way more popular, why we have three separate roles for the same basic thing. And also agreed on the armor. I find the whole melee armor thing rather weird in general. But more the point was that while they could change the way they divide roles, the five roles thing seems the most consistent. Back in ARR Bard was still the odd man out, even if it was ranged, so it was basically set up like that before.

Could be, but I suspect they add healer/tank jobs to keep the tank/healer mains playing those roles longer and therefore reduce roulette wait times. Like, we really didn't need Gunbreaker. People were asking for tanks and specifically dancer, but there was really no thematic reason to do Gunbreaker- the magitek/gun tech doesn't even seem to exist on the first with exception of those cannon things at Crystalarium. I suspect it was more added to excite people to play a new tank, and to tempt non-tanks to try it out.

Also, I doubt they will change too much as cool is it would be because FFXIV is a 4-man party. As an example (you probably know): FFXI was 6, which allows for a lot of role wiggle room. In addition certain jobs could function as either healer or support depending on the situation. I'd love to see that again, but I just don't think it's gonna happen with the "Theme Park" model that is FFXIV.

I wish we had five man parties. It would make sense. Five man parties means three DPS, one healer, one tank. One for each role. I know it's too late now (though I'd gladly just have it be a thing going forward as opposed to trying to change all past stuff) but it would be neat.

All I know is I want a few more classes with fewer buttons and simpler rotations.

And a few more classes more buttons and more complex rotations (yes I am fine with them dealing more damage).

Some days I want to relax, some I want to test myself.

A few classes that come to mind:

Beastmaster
Magic Knight
Geomancer
Chemist

Congrats to the 15 people who wanted Sage! :D

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Congrats to the 15 people who wanted Sage! :D

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It looks way more original with that weapon (that looks like funnels from Gundam), so everybody can join in the hype!

Wao, a lot of people wanted time mage, and very few for sage. Interesting, but my vote was for spellblade/rune fencer.

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Originally Posted by TroySoFab

Wao, a lot of people wanted time mage, and very few for sage. Interesting, but my vote was for spellblade/rune fencer.

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I feel like a lot of the people wanting Time Mage are AST players who miss how it played in Stormblood lol. Then again I could just be projecting XD

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Originally Posted by Haxaan

I feel like a lot of the people wanting Time Mage are AST players who miss how it played in Stormblood lol. Then again I could just be projecting XD

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Yeah, I thought the time mage mechanics in AST were some of its best parts. They really could have expanded upon it within AST. Kinda sad to see how the job ended up this expansion.

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I've posted about this in the other thread on jobs, but my position for what it's worth is:

My Assumptions:
1) Jobs (or really any additions) are chosen based on what will sell the expansion/get fans excited. $$$
2) Job choices are not forced to fill missing "gaps" in roles. (4 magical ranged including BLU before a 3rd physical ranged)
3) The way roles are organized is fluid. (It used to just be Melee DPS and Ranged DPS)
4) New jobs can be influenced by the place we're going. but this is not a requirement. (YoshiP was originally planning to do SAM in HW)


Job History
2.0: 2 Tanks, 2 Healers, 2 Melee DPS, 3 Ranged DPS (Initial Release)
2.x:+1 Melee (Balance of 3 Melee and 3 Ranged DPS)
3.0 +1 Tank, +1 Ranged, +1 Healer. (Ranged "split" to Magical Ranged and Physical Ranged)
4.0 +1 Magical Ranged, +1 Melee
4.x +1 Magic Ranged (Can be ignored, it's BLU)
5.0 +1 Physical Ranged, +1 Tank

My Guess
A healer and melee DPS as second; Possible magical ranged instead, but I'd bet on melee.

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I know this is a necropost, but I will toot my own horn a little to say my guess was on point ;)