BLU for Duty Finder and Raids! Show your support!

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Heh.. couldn't help myself:

https://i.imgflip.com/2n29ol.jpg

Although I still like/feel like "both, both is nice" is my favorite choice lol.

Like once they've cleared content (doesn't matter if it's on blue mage, but could be), they leave behind a growing blue magic spell (mist?). After some time for their blue magic mist to develop they can enter these dungeons with their full potential (the mist enhancing and supporting their more dangerous magics, level 5 death in turn 5 coil unlocked :3). The time to develop the mist being code for "once the devs have decided to let you in".

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lol okay you actually got a laugh out of me there.

But yeah, if we were just waiting for them to finish BLU so it was ready for the rest of the game, it would be fine. It would suck to be held back at level 50 for a while but it would be tolerable. At this point, however, it's not even on the table. Hence the anger. All they have to do is come out and say 'hey listen, BLU is complicated, so give us some time to finish it for all content, beta test it for us in the meantime' and all this anger would disappear overnight.

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Originally Posted by Skyskip

'hey listen, BLU is complicated, so give us some time to finish it for all content, beta test it for us in the meantime' and all this anger would disappear overnight.

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I agree with this - had it been presented as something new, and they wanted some community feedback going forward, so instead of releasing it as a full job they were instead releasing it as a limited job - TO START WITH - then I doubt there would be nearly as much nerd rage. I would have been a little chuffed, but I would have at least been like, well they care enough to get this right, so ok, yeah, sure.

But no - they didn't say you couldn't queue solo for things FOR NOW, they said you couldn't period. They even went to the trouble to put it on ANOTHER slide, with a frowny face with a tear. Boo hoo, sad you can't do this, oh well. I think that came across a little snarkier than they intended though, so I took that with a grain of salt, but the message was still clear.

This is what it is. The levels will go up over time, the abilities you can learn will expand, but it will be forever Lord of VerBLU - unless they change course.

I honestly find the whole "limited job" system obnoxious. I spoke with a longtime friend today and the topic of FFXIV came up. He had heard that a new expansion had been announced. He's not played in probably about a year but he was curious what some of the new features were. He's also an oldschool FF fan (we both adore FFVI) so when I mentioned Blue Mage it got his attention.

Then I had to explain the limitation system and the only thing he kept asking was "why"?

"Why can't I use it to play the rest of the game?"

"Why is Blue Mage being singled out for an experiment?"

"I can't even use it to go through the story?"

Needless to say he is still not subscribed. I think that says something profoundly bad when a big upcoming patch "feature" actually confuses and decreases a potential customers willingness to jump into the game.

i think the best course is when we get our hands on the class, play the shit out of it and enjoy it, but do give good feedback on problem spots or ways the current implementation could be tweaked to work with all content, and wait and see what the devs decide going into 5.0, while i think with a few choice tweaks and adherence to FF/rpg conventions blue could totally work with all content, i dont know the spread of abilities yet because the class isnt out yet (i can guess by going through the list of blue magic in previous games but thats not a guarantee)

am super hyped to play blum, i am sad i cant main it though cause its one of the few classes that could pull me away from smn

How to make Blue Mage work for duty finder.

- Make it so that you have to have a minimum number of skills. Since there are going to be A LOT, don’t require them all. Just enough to be in a duty.

- Ban the overuse, or complete use of certain skills. Limiting the number of super strong skills that you can have in rotation, uses of those skills per fight, or what they can be used on would work.

- Add categories to the skills. Minor, Intermediate, Major, and Ultimate. Minor, and Intermediate skills could be free to use in unlimited quantities. Major, and Ultimate would obviously have more restrictions.

- Keep Blue Mages unique non instanced leveling system. Make it so that they either don’t get as much EXP, or don’t get any at all in instances. I like this challenge, and life it would bring to the worlds. There’s nothing wrong with that. We just want to use the class in the party finder if we so choose.

- If Blue is able to tank, heal, and dps, make four different background colored icons that can be used in party finder, but keep the symbol of the job the same. These would be blue for tanks, green for healers, red for dps, and a fourth color for hybrids. This fourth color could be anything. I suggest purple, or white. However, I could see “hybrid” roles not being allowed in duty finder.

- Raise the level cap to 80 by 4.1

Seriously. Let people use the class for the entirety of Shadowbringers. There is no reason we shouldn’t be able to.

If they came out and said that in the future, BLU could do content just like every other class, there would be no issues. But they gave sorry excuses for not ever doing it and that's just terrible for a beloved class.

wait, I thought BLU was allowed in content so as long as its with a filled out pre-formed party, you know like if they joined with friends or started a Party finder with a filled party. After all they never said it couldn't do party content, they said it couldn't join duties with matchmaking (PUGs), Duty Roulette (dalies), PVP and Deep Dungeons

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Originally Posted by Rayo

wait, I thought BLU was allowed in content so as long as its with a filled out pre-formed party, you know like if they joined with friends or started a Party finder with a filled party. After all they never said it couldn't do party content, they said it couldn't join duties with matchmaking (PUGs), Duty Roulette (dalies), PVP and Deep Dungeons

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Those are already unacceptable things to begin with, but during the panel they gave poor examples about how BLU wouldn't be allowed to do Omega M/F because it could essentially one-shot the fight with Death 5. The fact that they think this is an acceptable way to build the class means they've all but stated that BLU, as it currently stands, would break endgame content over it's knee.

So obviously it's not going to be allowed to do those things without the entire class being reworked and actually balanced.

They spent most of the live letter saying how it wouldn't be balanced for current content, which is why it is restricted to older content (by the lvl 50 cap). It seems they are intent on not letting into capped content because, as they said in the live letter, casting lvl 5 death on a raid boss would be too OP and would ruin the fight. They did say they would increase the cap, but base don their explanation it is doubtful that cap will ever be the current cap. People saying that BLU will catch up eventually are likely just refusing to believe SE would be silly enough to make a mini-game out of a beloved job instead of a real job.

Nope I support the decision to keep it how it is now.

Can you imagine if it were just. A NPC saying, " Go battle this Monster for X ability" every 2 levels for your job class. Thats the only way BLM would work in current content. If predefined skills were set.

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Originally Posted by Aniond

Can you imagine if it were just. A NPC saying, " Go battle this Monster for X ability" every 2 levels for your job class. Thats the only way BLM would work in current content. If predefined skills were set.

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Well, realistically speaking blu has no theme so the sky's the limit. If I were doing blu as a regular job I'd make them a melee dps and give them clubs for no reason other to be somebody else making use of blunt resistance. Give them the usual melee combos that have essentially nothing to do with using monster skills and then have all the monster skills fill in for ogcd attacks, buffs, and a bar that fills to do the big ones like bad breath or delta. Easy peasy. Slant them supporty, give them trick attack, maybe mighty guard but meh, not much point mechanically. Done, another boring job. SE I expect my check to get here before christmas.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

Well, realistically speaking blu has no theme so the sky's the limit. If I were doing blu as a regular job I'd make them a melee dps and give them clubs for no reason other to be somebody else making use of blunt resistance. Give them the usual melee combos that have essentially nothing to do with using monster skills and then have all the monster skills fill in for ogcd attacks, buffs, and a bar that fills to do the big ones like bad breath or delta. Easy peasy. Slant them supporty, give them trick attack, maybe mighty guard but meh, not much point mechanically. Done, another boring job. SE I expect my check to get here before christmas.

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I think I’d actually play that.

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Originally Posted by Soupa

Nope I support the decision to keep it how it is now.

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Thanks for the bump I guess but you're in the wrong place.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

I think I’d actually play that.

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I'll be honest, what I hoped for from Blue Mage before there were any leaks or even rumors was one of two things:

1) A magic "tank" but it would appear we're getting a gunblade tank so that was never likely (doubt SE would do two tanks in one expansion)

2) A sort of inverse Red Mage DPS class where you have a basic set of "weak" melee abilities (magic hammer, goblin punch) that built up your class gauge called something like "Lore". However, instead of just flipping back and unleashing one big Blue Magic finisher you got a buff on your character that would let you spend your Lore to dole out a set of monster skill attacks. Think of it like how Paladin cycles between Fight or Flight melee combo and then Holy Spirit/Requiescat phases but with the added benefit of being able to choose from more than one skill in this phase depending on what you or your party needed. So you might spam damage, you might spend a large chunk on a healing spell, etc. This way not only could the numbers of the spells be tweaked but you could alter their lore cost for balance as well. I dunno, it was just an initial idea, and regardless it looks like we're getting nothing of the sort so a bit of a moot point.

6 days later, still fighting.

I hope someone is reading this thread from the higher ups (or at least being briefed on the reaction of fans) because this triple triad job is a huge mistake.

Positives:
- new and imaginative way for a new job to be introduced.
- solo content is promising and im sure will be fun.

Negatives:
- Level 50 cap hinders the job greatly. You are contained in the small part of the game that was released in 2013. Its a new job that cant be played in the new parts and systems of the game.
- No group content is so limiting in gameplay. This is a n MMO. We play MMOs to enjoy our time with friends, not to play alone.
- the "limited job" concept will affect many other fan favorite jobs in the future if its still a thing.


There must be a way to balance the job and keeping it true to the BLU image you had in mind while making the job. While we dont have the full list of blue magic and their effects yet, im gonna take a shot in the dark at trying to figure a solution.

- Core set of spell categories. Having aoe abilities grouped together for example (could have different typeslike circle on the ground, Around character, line aoe) and you can choose what fits in each fight. Different categories for stuff like buffs and single target abilities
Could be used to fill different roles like being a secondary support in fights that require only 1 healer by shielding and healing as an example for non dps skills. Because obviously people will find the optimal set of spells to deal damage otherwise, but leeway is good when it comes to supporting skills like white wind and mighty guard.

- It was mentioned that elemental effects are part of BLU to deal with the masked Carnivale. Im sure similar abilities with different elemental affinity are present. Grouping similar abilities together and having the choice be from aesthetic pov (BLU Glamour)

- Giving each spell a value based on how strong the ability is, and having a limit at how much value a player can bring with him to party content.

- Its already in place, but doubling down on boss immunities to reduce BLU's effectivness. LV-5 Death was an example given and because its so iconic, you didnt want to remove it from BLU. Im sure using LV-5 on a small enemy in a dungeon while bosses being immune would keep both players and devs happy.

The limitation on such effects can be put on things like hunts, dungeon bosses, raid bosses, Eureka NMs.

There are many ways to work this through. We are ok with BLU being capped at 50 for 4.5. Its not ok to be below level cap at 5.0 though (im sure its too late at this point but still!) The BLU community is willing to work with you SE by providing feedback, ideas, and solutions to any issues you are facing with BLU.

"SE tis I, Unlimit BLU i beg of you" Suzaku 2018.

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Originally Posted by Zafran

"SE tis I, Unlimit BLU i beg of you" Suzaku 2018.

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"All I ever wanted was for Duty Roulettes and BLU - BLU!" Also Suzaku 2018

I'm . . . so sorry. It's late and I should be turning in. I couldn't help myself. Regardless, I agree.

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Originally Posted by Rayo

wait, I thought BLU was allowed in content so as long as its with a filled out pre-formed party, you know like if they joined with friends or started a Party finder with a filled party. After all they never said it couldn't do party content, they said it couldn't join duties with matchmaking (PUGs), Duty Roulette (dalies), PVP and Deep Dungeons

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Yes but right now its restricted to lvl 50 thus only duties from ARR. Which can be unsynched by people already (thus a lvl 50 job would kinda hinder the progress because its not 70) so why would they even take a blue mage with them? Anything higher than that is not within the reach and they said that they will only increase the lvl during Shadowbringer patches thus only sometime in 5.x and even there we dont know if it will reach max lvl at all. Even if it reaches 70 it could still only do old content.

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Originally Posted by Aniond

Can you imagine if it were just. A NPC saying, " Go battle this Monster for X ability" every 2 levels for your job class. Thats the only way BLM would work in current content. If predefined skills were set.

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They could have job quests with certain abilities which would then be the rotation of it for instanced content. On top of that give them the ability to get other monster skills on their own but those can only be used outside the instanced content. This way they can take part in every content in the game and at the same time still feel quite fun and overpowered in solo content.

(And just to make sure: I have nothing against the blue mage only duty, it could be really fun, but if that is the only thing that people can work forward to then I wonder how long the job will be interesting.)

I think some people are reading through multiple threads and having knee jerk reactions to the overall vibe they are getting and not to what is being specifically written. Just because you don't like a part of something means you don't like the whole thing; just because you want something to be different doesn't mean it doesn't have merit or potential as it is.

I still think releasing limited combat based jobs are a mistake when they are jobs from previous iterations of the franchise. If they want to create something completely new with no ties to any previous FF, I don't think think there would be much of an issue. But releasing a repeatedly asked for job - so much so that even the developers acknowledge it multiple times in game and out - as something that cannot fully participate in the game is guaranteed to disappoint a section of players.

It's not about the Masked Carnivale or the solo focused approach of the job - it's the fact that you have to jump through extra hoops to be able to group at all. Not letting the job into the roulettes and queues is a ridiculous stipulation that many people have offered well thought out and balanced solutions for. Limit based on abilities learned, abilities equipped, etc. There are a plethora of ways to do it to meet in the middle on this - not to overhaul everything done up to this point, but again, to meet in the middle.

The level limit of 50 at the start, I can deal with that - as long as it catches up to the current level cap relatively soon... Say with the release of SH or soon thereafter. I don't think that is their intention, though, but that is an assumption.

There are currently 15 jobs in game. 15. If we are correct in that there are 2 full jobs coming, plus the one limited with 4.5, then that puts the total to 17 full jobs and one limited.

17 jobs, and one exception.

So the higher content is for these 17 jobs, but not this one.



I don't believe for one second if Dark Knight had been released as a limited job with HW that a bunch of people wouldn't have flipped out WAY more about it than the discussion happening now.

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Originally Posted by JBee

It's not about the Masked Carnivale or the solo focused approach of the job - it's the fact that you have to jump through extra hoops to be able to group at all. Not letting the job into the roulettes and queues is a ridiculous stipulation that many people have offered well thought out and balanced solutions for. Limit based on abilities learned, abilities equipped, etc. There are a plethora of ways to do it to meet in the middle on this - not to overhaul everything done up to this point, but again, to meet in the middle.

don't believe for one second if Dark Knight had been released as a limited job with HW that a bunch of people wouldn't have flipped out WAY more about it than the discussion happening now.

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I would derive as much if not more entertainment from the drk whines. It would be very in flavor for the class to be honest.

I will serious post for a moment here. The Masked Carnivale and solo content is only interesting specifically because of the limited nature of the job. If they had done this job in the way that everyone not a complete fool knows they would have done it if that was the route they were going with (i.e. hard locked to a role, half the announced skills with the same progression as everyone else) then they wouldn't be able to do anything at all interesting with the carnival. You would be limited to a cookie cutter ranged dps build and there is only so much design space to work with there.

Since the job is limited, and explicitly not usable in roulettes, they don't have to give a single care about balance. They can get real weird with their ability choices. And more importantly, they can get real difficult. If shiva's ice bow is a powerful attack you are crippled by not having, then they have to make that solo instance easy enough for just about everyone to get through if this job interacts with all the content the same as everything else, or else it becomes a giant albatross. Since it's some weird side job that already isn't going to be doing the usual content paths, they are free to get wild.

Will they? Too difficult to say. It's possible the whole thing is just a tiresome grind for low chance ability learns and the solo dungeons aren't any more challenging than they typically are. In which case I will turn on this as hard as I turned on Eureka. What absolutely was never in the cards though was some weird middle ground where you get to pick your skills and have this side learning thing and still do all the content, because none of those things work together in anyone's favor except for the people who just want to be a blu no matter what.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I support DF for Blu. I spent enough time in Jeuno in FFXI shouting for a leveling party, I don't feel like standing in Rhalger's Reach or w/e the 5.0 hub world is waiting for a pf to fill up to get a primal ability.

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You may have an FC who is willing to help, you have PF, so maybe other BLUs can help you out, or people can be kind enough to help you get your skill you need. Also , blue mage will have lots of monster healing and tanking abilities so they can go solo without help, like in the blue mage announcement video, he took Shiva's spell and defeated her as well.

As for leveling parties, you have squadrons

You have all these tools are at your disposal, use them.

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Originally Posted by Jkap_Goat

You may have an FC who is willing to help, you have PF, so maybe other BLUs can help you out, or people can be kind enough to help you get your skill you need. Also , blue mage will have lots of monster healing and tanking abilities so they can go solo without help, like in the blue mage announcement video, he took Shiva's spell and defeated her as well.

As for leveling parties, you have squadrons

You have all these tools are at your disposal, use them.

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It's fairly presumptuous to assume everyone has a helpful fc. Even more presumptuous to say rely on the kindness of others when the lack of it was one of the given examples of why they wanted to keep blue mage out of df. And maybe the person is shy, a lot of people like df because they are shy and it automatically removes the struggle of finding people to play with which is harder for some people.

Unless you can make BLU balanced and have a set optimal rotation and not super OP or super UP, then it does not belong in the DF. I would much rather it be true to its nature

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Originally Posted by Derio

Unless you can make BLU balanced and have a set optimal rotation and not super OP or super UP, then it does not belong in the DF. I would much rather it be true to its nature

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His nature is to learn skill from monster not being super OP, can't see why he can't be balanced like any other job.

Where has this "BLU has to be OP" coming from? 11? In other games they've been strong yes, not usually not as strong as other jobs like SMN, it's spells were usually very niche and you only really used around 10 at best. FF5 only had like 30 total BLU magic..

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Originally Posted by Shadowshinra

Where has this "BLU has to be OP" coming from? 11? In other games they've been strong yes, not usually not as strong as other jobs like SMN, it's spells were usually very niche and you only really used around 10 at best. FF5 only had like 30 total BLU magic..

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Bad Breath / Level 5 Death are the go to so far, and it's mostly from SE. I mean people are referencing it too (for agreement and not), in terms of changing those spells to fit the mold vs not but SE started that point. The reason why Blue Mage is limited is because they want the spells to be as they are seen in the game via the monsters.

Although it'd be a real special feeling (insert blow to the gut here) if they nerf the monster skills and make it limited lol. Blue Mage Level 5 Death "deals 200 potency". Bad Breath "40 potency dot". Limited content please look forward to it! Hehe, but I don't think they're doing that - at least we have comments to the opposite of that concept. So we should be expecting Blue Mage to bad breath a group of monsters for 5+ cc debuffs each and goofy stuff like that.

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Originally Posted by Nariel

His nature is to learn skill from monster not being super OP, can't see why he can't be balanced like any other job.

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Blu can be balanced. What cannot be balanced is a choose your own loadout hybrid job with 49 skills of varying quality. Every single idea that sounds anything remotely like the latter has been incredibly bad. Unsurprisingly, this is what most blu fans seem to want.

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Originally Posted by Liale

It's fairly presumptuous to assume everyone has a helpful fc. Even more presumptuous to say rely on the kindness of others when the lack of it was one of the given examples of why they wanted to keep blue mage out of df. And maybe the person is shy, a lot of people like df because they are shy and it automatically removes the struggle of finding people to play with which is harder for some people.

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If they are shy of meeting new people, then blue mage would be perfect for them,it can give them that solo game play experience they want.

If they are not in a helpful FC, why are they there then?

You make it sound like everyone one who plays final Fantasy XIV is just rude and toxic not willing to help someone out. Point is , there are people willing to help blue mages get their actions, isn't that part of playing on an MMO?

Also blue mage will be able to get the skills themselves, as stated before, they have tanking and healing monster abilities.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

Blu can be balanced. What cannot be balanced is a choose your own loadout hybrid job with 49 skills of varying quality. Every single idea that sounds anything remotely like the latter has been incredibly bad. Unsurprisingly, this is what most blu fans seem to want.

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Why that much skill to begin with, blue mage isn't about getting bazillion spells, learning from a monster because a quest ask you to isn't different than get it from anywhere else. Quest can require to do the dungeon or even primal to get their skill. Nothing prevent blue mage to get a normal playability and potency.

In the end its more about those who want to play blue mage normaly because its a blue mage and those who want to sacrifice a job to play something else. Lets be honest, could have been a rythm-based fight instances involving dancer and blue mage as a normal job we would be in the same position arguing dancer should be a normal job and not a mini game. People would say "dancer is a support and its not needed in this game + we want something new" the staff would go full "can't balance dancer without betraying it" while other player want to play dancer in every feature the game has to offer because its a dancer.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

Blu can be balanced. What cannot be balanced is a choose your own loadout hybrid job with 49 skills of varying quality. Every single idea that sounds anything remotely like the latter has been incredibly bad. Unsurprisingly, this is what most blu fans seem to want.

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It's odd, since that customisation version of BLU only came from 11, which people need to let go including the devs. This game isn't 11. I would have been perfectly fine with a normal job version of BLU. In every game besides 11 you only used like 10 BLU spells, such as the different elemental breaths, Missile and niche attacks like Goblin Punch and the various Needles. All of which is more or less the amount you'd use in a standard rotation. We don't need 49 abilities, we certainly don't need even more that they're eventually going to add. Heck I don't think any version of BLU had more than 49 in any FF game besides 11.

Checking in again to show my support.

I’m giving my support as well since I have zero interest in limited jobs and think the concept will be terrible for the game. I have yet to hear any reasons that would convince me that blue mage could not work in 14 as a job that works in the full game. We were told the same about rdm and it has been generally well received. I love the job although I wish it had slightly more melee going on.

I have wanted to main blu (full game not limited) for 5 years now. For the people saying how can we be against the idea before trying it, I could love the open world bit and the Carnival but https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=rnzMkJocw6Q.





That's how I will always feel deep down so I will not be renewing my sub as long as this concept is part of the game.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

I have wanted to main blu (full game not limited) for 5 years now.

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So you want a LIMITED Blue Mage with 24 generic-rotational skills, instead of a full BLU with 49+ uncapped skills.

/hmmm

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Originally Posted by ChocoFeru

So you want a LIMITED Blue Mage with 24 generic-rotational skills, instead of a full BLU with 49+ uncapped skills.

/hmmm

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49 spells at the start
but do you think all 49 will be interesting and not just moves we've seen before with a fresh coat of paint

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Originally Posted by Duskane

49 spells at the start
but do you think all 49 will be interesting and not just moves we've seen before with a fresh coat of paint

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They will be monster moves, stuff that we've already seen but never used before, and by how they talked about them; they'll be uncapped. Like, if you can use Death Level 5, you could one-shot a monster if it lands properly. 1000 nails will do 1000 damage, or even 10.000 nails, who knows. So I guess the skills won't be a coat of paint, but they'll be unique/useful skills.

If BLU was another generic job, the skills would really be a coat of paint because they would be capped skills to fit a generic rotation with flashy effects (press 1, 2, 3, then 1, 4, 3 and repeat the loop again for 10+ minutes).


I think it's still too soon to talk bad about this new system. It can bring a lot of new stuff if applied properly.

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Originally Posted by ChocoFeru

So you want a LIMITED Blue Mage with 24 generic-rotational skills, instead of a full BLU with 49+ uncapped skills.

/hmmm

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Going to do a copy/paste here from a post I made a bit ago. To answer your question, I don't want the FFV blu they have put in the game to be removed but I do want a version of blu that can be used in the full game.

"They can use the elemental weakness as a mecanic, you use a fire element spell to grow up a debuff on the monster and consume it with a wind spell for additonal damage per exemple, force to rotate between different duality whith cooldown on the "stack consumer"..

Man, I love that idea. Made me think of what I hoped samurai would use a system sorta like skillchains on XI. That instead of combos, there would be the same initial starter, then like three mid combo moves, and then two finishers. The middle combo moves would be like the royal road effects and either boost, spread, or lengthen the effect of the skillchain. The finishers then would be the typical large finish or smaller finish with a DoT. The "lengthen" effect for the large finisher could be some debuff that you could consume like your fire -> wind idea. So you have to make choices in combat to do things like "I should combo a spread DoT" or "I need to consume my stacks on the target".

I like the idea of two job crystals for blue mage. "Carnival Mage" can be the announced iteration (FFV blu) with the limits and the supposedly crazy solo capabilities. "Blue Mage" then can be the XIV version, hell it wouldn't even have to be a ranged caster, with a proper rotation or gameplay gimmick that makes it different than what we have now and be used in the full game. The dev team has done overall very good with their own versions of the classic FF jobs with a few misses but those have also become better with time after listening to feedback.

For a full version of blu, they could do something similar from another game. If anyone has played Legend of Legia 2, do you remember the girl with the elemental magic? If you just spammed the elements they barely did any damage but there were many many combos depending on which elements and which order they were performed in. That's something they could do here for blu gameplay/rotation. Just give each offensive blu spell an elemental affinity and make combos like I described from that other game as the base rotational stuff and then the ogcds would be spells like bad breath or aqualung. The mechanic could be like a very expanded mudra system where you trigger your built up elemental combo or be the actual job gauge to track and then the elemental explosion happens as you finish the "spell combo".

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Originally Posted by jon041065

Going to do a copy/paste here from a post I made a bit ago. To answer your question, I don't want the FFV blu they have put in the game to be removed but I do want a version of blu that can be used in the full game.

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Well actually, the double crystal idea can be cool! Raid mode with the typical rotation with BLU-ish mechanics, and the "Carnival BLU" with all the BLU skills uncapped.

The more the better! But if I had to choose, I'd still rather the 49+ skills BLU D:
I hope they come up with something after the 4.5 BLU "test" and bring something better at 5.0

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Originally Posted by ChocoFeru

Well actually, the double crystal idea can be cool! Raid mode with the typical rotation with BLU-ish mechanics, and the "Carnival BLU" with all the BLU skills uncapped.

The more the better! But if I had to choose, I'd still rather the 49+ skills BLU D:
I hope they come up with something after the 4.5 BLU "test" and bring something better at 5.0

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My other idea would be that if they designed a full blu and then it was ready to be patched in, in the patch they also include in the DF settings "limited job mode" so then people that want the broken abilities and solo still have the option. I'm not sure what would happen with open world blu though. Would it be full blu or carnival blu?

As I've told some others when they said I want to have my cake and eat it too.

"Yep and I want the solo players to have cake and Yoshi be the Oprah of cake and if some cake taste bad then we can let them know and hopefully it tastes better next time."

I want full blu and I also want players that want the solo experience to have their thing as well. I believe it could happen. If the devs came out next week and told us that they were working on these things and they needed time but couldn't give an estimate patch for it to be completed that would be fine.

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Originally Posted by ChocoFeru

So you want a LIMITED Blue Mage with 24 generic-rotational skills, instead of a full BLU with 49+ uncapped skills.

/hmmm

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This is sadly not the case. During liveletter you were able to see that you can pick 20 of 49 skills.
Meaning, even with level cap increase and skill increase to lets guess 100 different blue mage skills, you would still be capped. That term hence is not right.

Ps: i still dont get people going this far and cancel their sub, show off in the OF, to 'influence' the dev team. Its kinda a childish act but whatever, 5.0 story looks amazing!

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Originally Posted by xbahax92

This is sadly not the case. During liveletter you were able to see that you can pick 20 of 49 skills.
Meaning, even with level cap increase and skill increase to lets guess 100 different blue mage skills, you would still be capped. That term hence is not right.

Ps: i still dont get people going this far and cancel their sub, show off in the OF, to 'influence' the dev team. Its kinda a childish act but whatever, 5.0 story looks amazing!

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Cause you have to vote with your wallet when it comes to businesses. If the company finds out the reason you unsubbed and lost them money is the fact that you were disappointed in Blue Mage, and enough people do it to really hurt them. They'll notice and MAYBE make a change to it. If you just don't play it they might just say "we'll people don't have an interest in it so let's just not do anything with it" like they are doing with diadem.