Viera Race "Confirmed" for 5.0! Are you gonna change races?

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Female Au Ra are the 2nd smallest race out there. I have no idea what can actually fit between lalafell and female Au Ra.

The problem about tall female races like Elezen and Roe are, that they pretty rare (and sometimes ugly. sorry).

I guess Viera would be some kind of tallest but also sexy race. Maybe a bit smaller than Elezen, when you exclude their bunny ears.

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If I remember correctly, Lalafell are around 90cm tall and female Au Ra are about 150. There's definitely room in the middle for a shorter-than-human race - it's a bit of a gap in the range of heights, if anything.

Alternately "a bit smaller than Elezen" would put them somewhere around Highlander height, though presumably a different build.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Agreed. In my opinion Elezen look ugly, and their bodies are shaped like cardboard, and I won't even get into the she-hulk race.

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Bryna would like to object to that last bit.... ;_;

But seriously, I feel like you can make nice-looking characters with every race - some just take more work than others.

I have a male Elezen too - they're pretty spindly but also really elegant in the right costume. (Or a lot of costumes. Playing dress-up is fun.)

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

The problem about tall female races like Elezen and Roe are, that they pretty rare (and sometimes ugly. sorry).

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fail to see the issue of the tall races being rare or a unpopular option,
plus there is plenty of pretty roes and elezen imHo out there.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

I have no idea what can actually fit between lalafell and female Au Ra.

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Well there's always FFIV's Dwarf race.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Bryna would like to object to that last bit.... ;_;

But seriously, I feel like you can make nice-looking characters with every race - some just take more work than others.

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You cant deny, that they are looking way better in the original concept arts. This would be so much better:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/67...63df52eb16.jpg


To be honest, I would like to have more options for the character creator. But having Viera as a new race is also nice.
@Topic: I wont change my race. Au Ra for life!

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

You cant deny, that they are looking way better in the original concept arts. This would be so much better:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/67...63df52eb16.jpg


To be honest, I would like to have more options for the character creator. But having Viera as a new race is also nice.
@Topic: I wont change my race. Au Ra for life!

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you know they look like that right?

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Originally Posted by Duskane

you know they look like that right?

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Not really. Or have something installed which changed the ingame character modells ^^.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Not really. Or have something installed which changed the ingame character modells ^^.

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well ones 2d ones 3d sure
but they look exactly like there concept

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

To be honest, I would like to have more options for the character creator. But having Viera as a new race is also nice.
@Topic: I wont change my race. Au Ra for life!

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Same. I have wasted probably 8-10 fantasias, but always go back to almost the exact same Raen. I wish I could fine tune details more, though.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

Female Au Ra are the 2nd smallest race out there. I have no idea what can actually fit between lalafell and female Au Ra.

The problem about tall female races like Elezen and Roe are, that they pretty rare (and sometimes ugly. sorry).

I guess Viera would be some kind of tallest but also sexy race. Maybe a bit smaller than Elezen, when you exclude their bunny ears.

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We only have one small race. I see plenty of Elezen, Hyur, Kitties and Roe. Would be nice to have a small race for a change. They could have a Viera clan and a Feol clan that could be cuter and smaller could be the same height as the smallest Au Ra in height.

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Originally Posted by Caitlyn

You cant deny, that they are looking way better in the original concept arts. This would be so much better:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/67...63df52eb16.jpg


To be honest, I would like to have more options for the character creator. But having Viera as a new race is also nice.
@Topic: I wont change my race. Au Ra for life!

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That's... pretty much exactly how elzen look in-game. The only difference I can see is we don't have an ear option like the full figure on the right has. But the top face is straight-up face option 3 from the game:
https://i.imgur.com/BNbPVwZ.png
The one on the left is face option 4:
https://i.imgur.com/uNgFaqG.png
And the one on the bottom is exactly face option 1:
https://i.imgur.com/joRtunE.png

I mean, personal preference is subjective (I've made no secret of my contempt for the female Au Ra models) but you can't really look at these side by side and say they are different. Just like you can't deny that, statistically, there are more "cutsie" races in FF14 than there are "powerful" ones. I mean I get it, cute sells (especially in Japan,) and nothing will ever induce me to switch from Roe, but more variety would be nice. Here's hoping they go the "hyur" route with Viera and give us one of each body type instead of the basic recolor.

I also see very little difference between the concept art and 3D model for Elezen. (The hairstyle is a nicer, concepty version of one in-game with a stiff side braid.)

From looking at the picture on my phone earlier, I was going to say the neck maybe isn't as exaggerated on the concept art, but on closer look I was misinterpreting her hair as part of her shoulder.


(Complain about "giraffe necks" all you like, but at least my Elezen can wear necklaces without looking like he's being strangled by them... on the rare occasion that I actually want my male character wearing necklaces, anyway.)

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Originally Posted by Pixiehawk

Just create one. Even the cheap version you can make up to 8 characters, they'd just have to be on another world. Play it for an hour or whatever, then of you like fantasia. If you don't you've saved the cost of the fantasia(s).

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I read somewhere that with a new race, everyone gets a free fantasia, I did not mean that I’ll buy a fantasia without checking out the race, so yes I’ll probably make an alt. Also, I was planning on going back to Au Ra at some point and thought that I would if we got a free fantasia + I did not want to go with Viera, I would just use that free fantasia to go back to Au Ra.

Love how my Elezen looks too much to change...

But if I like how the Viera look I'll definitely level an alt as one.

Oh yeah, I forgot to answer the actual question!

I don't "do" Fantasias but I'd be interested in trying one as an alt. Not during the initial mad rush though.

I like unusual / under-used character designs, so I'd probably try a male one.

Very dependent on emotes though. Some character designs have really appealing 'personalities', others annoy me to the point I don't even play around with them in the character creator.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

That's... pretty much exactly how elzen look in-game. The only difference I can see is we don't have an ear option like the full figure on the right has. But the top face is straight-up face option 3 from the game

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The issue isn't with the faces; it's that the body proportions in-game are terrible compared to the lithe presentation of the concept art. Very rarely does gear look good on them given that everything is designed around the more average Midlander/Miqo bodies, nor does it help that Elezen have some of the worst walk/run cycles of all the races currently available.

Will be very disappointed if Viera don't take after Fran's glamazon aesthetic and refined nature.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

The issue isn't with the faces; it's that the body proportions in-game are terrible compared to the lithe presentation of the concept art.

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The only real difference in proportion is the width of the shoulders, and in the case of the full body art, the neck on the in-game model is a bit longer (maybe - the catch with Elezen necks is that necklaces/scarves hide the length well, so in that art the neck may proportionally be about the same length).

Also, animations are a matter of taste. I find the Mi'qote to be far too bouncy (look like they are using moon shoes half the time when running) and try-hard on the cutesy side, and the atrocious clipping of their tails in some of the best gear is one of the worst gear issues in the game. I've tried playing one and just couldn't stick with it for long. I'll take the more refined and careful movements of the Elezen any day.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

The issue isn't with the faces; it's that the body proportions in-game are terrible compared to the lithe presentation of the concept art. Very rarely does gear look good on them given that everything is designed around the more average Midlander/Miqo bodies, nor does it help that Elezen have some of the worst walk/run cycles of all the races currently available.

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https://i.imgur.com/9kH3hJD.png

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lithe - līt͟h - adjective - (especially of a person's body) thin, supple, and graceful

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Aside from the infamous neck, how are elzen not proportioned the same as their concept art? I mean, mine in the picture as a bit of a small bust (forgot the exact setting) but that's completely dependent on the player. Elzen are the very definition of lithe. How armor fits them and their animations (which I admit aren't the best the game has to offer) are immaterial to the discussion at hand as they have no bearing on how "faithful" the in-game characters are to the original concept art.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

The issue isn't with the faces; it's that the body proportions in-game are terrible compared to the lithe presentation of the concept art. Very rarely does gear look good on them given that everything is designed around the more average Midlander/Miqo bodies, nor does it help that Elezen have some of the worst walk/run cycles of all the races currently available.

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Gear things more of an opinion
Imo i think female midlanders have the worst walk cycle
ill take the planking elezens over the dainty girl walk they have

my only real problem with elezen is that the lighting in this game isnt too kind to them

no. never been intrested unlike most of the player base that feel the need to change to something new as soon it come out.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

The issue isn't with the faces; it's that the body proportions in-game are terrible compared to the lithe presentation of the concept art. Very rarely does gear look good on them given that everything is designed around the more average Midlander/Miqo bodies, nor does it help that Elezen have some of the worst walk/run cycles of all the races currently available.

Will be very disappointed if Viera don't take after Fran's glamazon aesthetic and refined nature.

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Agreed. It's the rectangular bodies, broad shoulders. Not into it.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

https://i.imgur.com/9kH3hJD.png

Aside from the infamous neck, how are elzen not proportioned the same as their concept art? I mean, mine in the picture as a bit of a small bust (forgot the exact setting) but that's completely dependent on the player. Elzen are the very definition of lithe. How armor fits them and their animations (which I admit aren't the best the game has to offer) are immaterial to the discussion at hand as they have no bearing on how "faithful" the in-game characters are to the original concept art.

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Someone that is lithe doesn't have shoulders so broad they'd make John Cena feel jealous. I know Elezens have very hardcore fans (and there are some very pretty ones out there!), but there's no denying that whomever modeled their bodies does not have a handle on anatomical proportion.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

Someone that is lithe doesn't have shoulders so broad they'd make John Cena feel jealous. I know Elezens have very hardcore fans (and there are some very pretty ones out there!), but there's no denying that whomever modeled their bodies does not have a handle on anatomical proportion.

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Female miqote,Midlanders and elezen bodies are identical besides the heads they legit share the exact same model,
so saying elezen not having proper proportion is the same as Miqote and midlander
Which is true for every race though none of them anatomically correct.

you'd be surprised how much devs got away with just posing the base races differently.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

Someone that is lithe doesn't have shoulders so broad they'd make John Cena feel jealous. I know Elezens have very hardcore fans (and there are some very pretty ones out there!), but there's no denying that whomever modeled their bodies does not have a handle on anatomical proportion.

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I think the dev who made elezen decided that they wanted to make elezen unique from other races by stretching everything but it backfired. Anyway yoshi-p did say that the dev who made the elezen walk/run animation already left SQEX.

tfw a Viera thread turns into another thread where cat and lizard girls are complaining about Elezen

Hopefully Viera will fill that tall, beautiful race itch for a lot of people so they can leave Elezen alone already.

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Originally Posted by rachcouture

but there's no denying that whomever modeled their bodies does not have a handle on anatomical proportion.

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Fantasy race doesn't use the same anatomical proportions found in real life humans, news at 11!

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I know Elezens have very hardcore fans

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And some hardcore critics that want them changed. Guess which one won't shut up about it? Hell, this thread was about Viera until a few of ya'll decided you wanted to diss on the Elezen out of the blue. It gets old, it really does.

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Originally Posted by Dalmacus

I think the dev who made elezen decided that they wanted to make elezen unique from other races by stretching everything but it backfired. Anyway yoshi-p did say that the dev who made the elezen walk/run animation already left SQEX.

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They were meant to be the new MMOs version of the Elvaan from FFXI, which are likewise long-limbed and long necked. Just like the Roe were modeled on the Galka, the Hyur on the Hume, the Mi'qote on the Mithra, and the Lalafell on the Tarutaru. There was no "Oh I want to be unique, oh oops I did it in such a way that a bunch of players that expected humans with pointy ears won't like" going on.

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Originally Posted by Berethos

They were meant to be the new MMOs version of the Elvaan from FFXI, which are likewise long-limbed and long necked. Just like the Roe were modeled on the Galka, the Hyur on the Hume, the Mi'qote on the Mithra, and the Lalafell on the Tarutaru. There was no "Oh I want to be unique, oh oops I did it in such a way that a bunch of players that expected humans with pointy ears won't like" going on.

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I still wish Roe's had a tail and weren't just "Galka: human edition."

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Originally Posted by Berethos

The only real difference in proportion is the width of the shoulders, and in the case of the full body art, the neck on the in-game model is a bit longer (maybe - the catch with Elezen necks is that necklaces/scarves hide the length well, so in that art the neck may proportionally be about the same length).

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I don't think it's even a matter of the length being hidden, it's just that the pose makes it hard to see at a glance. Between the hand-on-shoulder pose and her hair fluttering on the other side, it makes her shoulders seem a lot higher than they actually are if you look closer.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Gear things more of an opinion
Imo i think female midlanders have the worst walk cycle
ill take the planking elezens over the dainty girl walk they have

my only real problem with elezen is that the lighting in this game isnt too kind to them

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Ohhhh yes. My character can go from looking really nice to really awful depending on the light angle.

I think it's a problem with all the characters to some degree (and in certain locations - Minfilia's office in the Rising Stones is terrible) but Elezen do seem to come off worse than others.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Female miqote,Midlanders and elezen bodies are identical besides the heads they legit share the exact same model,
so saying elezen not having proper proportion is the same as Miqote and midlander

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I don't think that sounds right. Maybe Miqo'te, Midlanders and Au Ra, but not Elezen.

They might start with the same base model and stretch the proportions though.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

I still wish Roe's had a tail and weren't just "Galka: human edition."

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I'm not familiar with FFXI, but I like Roegadyn as they are. In 'standard fantasy race' terms they seem to be orcs, but also "just normal people", and I like that.

How pissed would people be if SE shrink them down to Lalafel size? XD

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

How pissed would people be if SE shrink them down to Lalafel size? XD

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Id actually be very happy but I know lots of people will be angry if that would happen.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I'm not familiar with FFXI, but I like Roegadyn as they are. In 'standard fantasy race' terms they seem to be orcs, but also "just normal people", and I like that.

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That's my issue with every race in this game. They're all boring (minus Lalafell. They're the least human race in this game and are closer to being Tarutaru's) and why I've constantly been wanting for something that looks different, like playable Lupin or Ronso (or just give me Galka).

Watch it not be Viera and instead be moogles yes Im aware Yoshi P was wearing a Bugs Bunny shirt but that would be TOO obvious. If I were to put money on it Id say the shirt was to represent something with fur and while Viera make sense I cant help but think that his shirt was just to mislead us.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

That's my issue with every race in this game. They're all boring (minus Lalafell. They're the least human race in this game and are closer to being Tarutaru's) and why I've constantly been wanting for something that looks different, like playable Lupin or Ronso (or just give me Galka).

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I meant at a society level - they're not monsters or barbarian hordes, they're just seen as another equal race of human-equivalent people, with all the potential range of personalities and roles.

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Originally Posted by KokoChibata

Watch it not be Viera and instead be moogles yes Im aware Yoshi P was wearing a Bugs Bunny shirt but that would be TOO obvious. If I were to put money on it Id say the shirt was to represent something with fur and while Viera make sense I cant help but think that his shirt was just to mislead us.

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It wouldn't be the first time Yoshida made an obvious hint to something that'll be coming out in the next expansion tho.
Like for Stormblood he was wearing a shirt that said "Scarlet Witch" on it, which was a very obvious hint for the Red Mage. Or the Batman shirt before Heavensward as a hint for Dark Knight :')

I am very happy that the game has kept the same visual aesthetic among the races up to this point. Personally i hate Lalafell specifically because armor previewed on them feels like a disservice to people looking forward to new items, only to have textures become blurred or squished to fit their frame.

However, that is my issue.

I do not begrudge those that want more diversity in this games race options. At the same time I truly feel this game setting isn't where they will find it.

I feel like the "issue" with Lalafell proportions, for me, isn't their body shape but that they don't look like they're from the same art style as the rest of the game.

I did actually start the game as one, but she just seemed out of place next to all the "human-like" characters. In a game where everyone was in that chibi style, it would seem different.

I have to wonder what Viera would do to that mismatch. If we get "small Viera", would they also be in a slightly more cartoony style so Lalafell aren't 'out on their own' so much?

I have to see them in action. Almost wish for the XI character creator screen where if you took your time with your limited choices the character would go into a walk that would then go into a run. Then at some point they'd end up sitting or laying down on the ground. Next month when we get our hinted at sneak peak from the 24man hopefully will be enough and not be a two seconds of screen time. I probably will change but I just want to see how they move.

I'm heavily inclined to change. Used to be a Fem Elezen till the beginning of SB, but got fed up with the running animation, which you actually spend quite some time seeing it, and changed over to a Fem Miqo'te because it's so much more smooth. If Pure Blood Viera is a thing, and give them good animations, I'll be in the Fantasia Bandwagon day 1!

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Originally Posted by SannaR

I have to see them in action. Almost wish for the XI character creator screen where if you took your time with your limited choices the character would go into a walk that would then go into a run. Then at some point they'd end up sitting or laying down on the ground.

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You can't see walk/run animations, but the character creator does let you preview a number of emotes - select the "unique pose" tickbox at the bottom of the screen (or press L3 on controller) and the character will cycle through /lookout, /me, /stretch, /pose and /dance.

Plus the "voice preview" screen shows a couple more - [fume?], /cheer, /chuckle, /yes and /no.

It's not perfect but at least you can get a basic idea of what they're like without having to start a character.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

You can't see walk/run animations, but the character creator does let you preview a number of emotes - select the "unique pose" tickbox at the bottom of the screen (or press L3 on controller) and the character will cycle through /lookout, /me, /stretch, /pose and /dance.

Plus the "voice preview" screen shows a couple more - [fume?], /cheer, /chuckle, /yes and /no.

It's not perfect but at least you can get a basic idea of what they're like without having to start a character.

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Yes we get a very limited set to see and hear, but many have wished we could have more in that area. Specially when the outside battle voice sounds so different from in battle. Right now I just want/need more info.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

If we get "small Viera", would they also be in a slightly more cartoony style so Lalafell aren't 'out on their own' so much?

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God I can only dream of this. Or atleast one of the sub groups be a "Tiny" race, cause man, I kinda dont want another repeat of AuRa where both sub groups are essentially just scale recolours of the other, and the Men are just Ultra Tall, and the women are just petite in build, but 'averagely' sized.

I want some more distinction between the races. Not recolours. Not likely to happen though, but I can dream.