you guys went overboard with this new relic

So I'm assuming the people that say don't like crafting part don't have any friends or people in FC that craft?

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Originally Posted by Lexia

So I'm assuming the people that say don't like crafting part don't have any friends or people in FC that craft?

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I will not be paying anyone gil at all.

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Originally Posted by Kerii

I saw how easy the new relic was and decided I'll just keep going on the old one. A few extra steps and one month (at worst) won't kill me. I don't know what everyone else wanted... Time for power sans the rng. I'm ecstatic!

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You're not exchanging time for power though. By the time most players get their i210 relic it will already be obsolete due to 3.2 releasing. At that point you're literally just throwing your time into a black hole that will NEVER give you anything worth the time put in.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

So I'm assuming the people that say don't like crafting part don't have any friends or people in FC that craft?

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Going to chime in here, the crafted items are locked behind master books, and also locked by specialist. We only get a choice of 3 specialist classes (can switch them for like what is it 900 blue scrips or more?). So even if people know crafter or can craft them themselves (like me i am 2 star crafter, have all master books just screwed on specialist) they will still need to rely on people to make them, mats are easy to come by for the most part. I dont really mind this part personally, but I can see where people are comming from. Did you know that some crafters are also RMT's? Also, some people just really dont have much gil on hand. right now on my server people are selling these for up to 5mil each. Just my two cents.

I was bit excited to start the new relic (I know, something is wrong with me) but after first couple steps probably gonna say screw it. Ill do first part for the glam but they really went overboard.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

So I'm assuming the people that say don't like crafting part don't have any friends or people in FC that craft?

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MY FC IS DEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.

One of my crafter friends came back to try his hand at the relic, got to the awoken stage and saw what was in store for him. He couldn't of unsubbed faster... This man had like 3 zetas pre nerf.

Like this nonsense is absurd and completely overboard... Your telling me that for the FIRST mind you FIRST step of the relic I need to grind like a mindless drone for months (I play around 5 hours a week maybe) just to get an item that will be WAY outdated by the time I ever get it. Yeah no thanks SE I'll take my awoken weapon and wait for the nerfs so I can achieve this weapon in a reasonable and casual amount of time, not this absurd grind.

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Originally Posted by Deathshiro

Yeah no thanks SE I'll take my awoken weapon and wait for the nerfs so I can achieve this weapon in a reasonable and casual amount of time, not this absurd grind.

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That's honestly the best thing to do. I did the same thing with the zodiac quest when I got tired of RNG dicking me over on the atma grind. Turned in my PLD Zeta to skip the new atma, got my dungeons done for i200, and parking progress there until SE nerfs it. I predict the nerfs soon, because even the Japanese player base is wondering what SE was smoking.

Until then, I'll start practicing Thordan EX for my perfectly acceptable i205 substitute. And hell, this relic grind probably wouldn't look as bad if Savage Alexander hadn't destroyed raid groups like it did.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

I dont think it will take more than a month casually.

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You have a VERY awkward definition of "casually" then.
The gil needed for the 16HQ craft item alone will cost you months of casual farming, since they will cost an arm and a leg given the horrendous requirements to craft them are only met by very few people.


Hint: playing 4+hrs a day is NOT considered casual by sane human beings.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

So I'm assuming the people that say don't like crafting part don't have any friends or people in FC that craft?

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Not at endgame level, no. I'm in a fairly casual FC and I don't even raid (still haven't managed to see coil ._.). No one in my FC bothers with the excessive grinding that comes AFTER you level a crafter to 50 / 60.

I paid roughly 3mil to get my brave weapon (early heavensward timeframe, actually leveled to 54 while grinding out light and dungeon drops).
3 mil for an item I consider okay. But if you were to buy the mats NOW you'd be lucky if you get ONE of the 16 items for 3 mil.

It is IDIOTIC. It's as if SE is screaming at me to do RMT in order to keep up.
No thank you. I'll wait for the nerfbat. F*** them 10 item levels.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

since they will cost an arm and a leg given the horrendous requirements to craft them are only met by very few people.

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to reach the requirements, all you need is a 53 or 55 crafter leveled to get the specialist unlocked (level 58 will prolly wind up being fine so can equip blue scrip gears), and the master book to go with it (very easy to get), the gear you need to craft this stuff is actually not as demanding as people are making it out to be, if i remember right you can get the needed stats just from the blue scrip set and HQ tools ARR equipment on acc slots, much like hittin the "adamantite ore" node on miner. i am WAY WAY above the needed stats on my crafter with melded ilvl 150 gears or whatever. Also, the price will drop drastically as the days progress. And there are so many more people that can do this than you think, some people are going to level crafters JUST to attempt to monopolize the economy for a bit, but they'll find out that prices arent no where near todays prices lol

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If people try to level crafters from scratch for this, my prediction would be that the 50->53 phase will crush them, since they have no access to gear that allows them to HQ the items for the leves.
I barely pushed through it on my crafters (most of them being 53 now) and already can't stand it any more because the grind is absurd.

Still have no clue how to level the crappy leatherworker w/o the need to bot.... hide droprates are ridiculously low lol.

Try and make sure to do the daily turn-in's, thats always a nice chunk of xp, even NQ items, towards level 60 you can get up to like 2.5m for a single HQ turn XP wise, and for "skins" send retainers out to get them, 10 every hour or so with battle class retainer. can farm them without farming them :) also can use rowena's house collectible turn ins for nice xp, i level'd only on collectibles for cul

I kept up to date with Zeta and did the entire Zodiac chain before parts of it were nerfed

But I'm not sure I'm gonna bother with this. Mainly because they screwed over machinist. We're better off waiting for the gobdip in Void Ark.

SE is going to read all of these threads and notice all the feedback about this quest and how unfun it is. I'm going to put it off for the inevitable nerf bat it's going to get.

It wont get nerfed. Quite a few people will use a bot over humanly grinding this crap. Nerf the bots first with a ban.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

It wont get nerfed.

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It will. Not in a timely manner, but eventually they will make it as easy as they did the Zodiak.

the grind does not bother me i can block off a little time to grind each day but when I saw that crafting B****S I wanted to just give up even though I won't...

But SE please here me I am an adventurer/raider I do not and will not ever enjoy crafting it's not fun nor is it very rewarding (just look at all the crafter complaining threads) please try to do something different then what 2.0 relic was like...

150 hours grinding through the same 4 fights is just terrible

Right now, I just accept it and go on with it. Just do the thing when I have the time. But the problem now though, is that with all those way to get your 3rd step done, you will have some kind of inventory problem? My god, what's with all those new beast tribes token, each of their own eating up your inventory space. Then those unidentified stuffs, and Precision Gordian stuffs...

God dang it, can't you get these off our inventory and put it in the key items slot or something?

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Originally Posted by Orchidias

Giving us something to do shouldn't mean putting in such a mindless grind for absolutely no reward in the end- they could have made this more interesting by adding better lore, better *methods* to obtain what was needed. Instead we have repetitive grinding that is going to kill anyone's desire to keep going. Only people with the time/in-game money/networks of people to help can actually make any headway into this, and this is just the first step. Even the original zodiac path wasn't this hellish and that was a painful grind on its own.

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The better method to get relic would have made people cry even more. SE is handing relics at us on a silver plate and everyone is crying. Knowing you don't need to have a relic before March, it doesn't look like a huge grind.

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Originally Posted by Aomine1992

the grind does not bother me i can block off a little time to grind each day but when I saw that crafting B****S I wanted to just give up even though I won't...

But SE please here me I am an adventurer/raider I do not and will not ever enjoy crafting it's not fun nor is it very rewarding (just look at all the crafter complaining threads) please try to do something different then what 2.0 relic was like...

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So doing shit level content doesn't bother you but doing craft that would take you 8 hours play time if you start from 0 does bother you. Strange.

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Originally Posted by Milestailsprowe

150 hours grinding through the same 4 fights is just terrible

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If you will ignore that you can buy them through poetics, law, Beat Tribes, Allied Seals...then yes hf with grinding 150 hrs Alexander.

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Originally Posted by Melch

The better method to get relic would have made people cry even more. SE is handing relics at us on a silver plate and everyone is crying. Knowing you don't need to have a relic before March, it doesn't look like a huge grind.

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Players were less crying when we got the relics from quests for free, even then look at 1.x relic questline... i have not often seen so many crying in FFXIV history than yet with 3.15!
There IS a reason behind and your argument is just wrong because its not handing it over to us.

Love this thread, I am a new player and I am at the Atma --> Animus stage of my relic weapon quest line, i will get to this new stage sometime in 2018 :)

7 hours of fate grinding and i only have two crystals to show for it, and that's only the first part...

Seriously...This is freaking terrible.

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Originally Posted by Doctor-

....... .............. It is literally going to take months of grinding to get this relic, the time efffort spent on this weapon compare to the previous alterations across the board from the past is ridiculous for a weapon whose lifespan is not even that long before nerfs/better items come out and a new version needs to be waited on, doing about 3 months worth of content and then having become obsolete :/. I am personally not doing it past the i200 until nerfs there is no incentive and the work does not justify the curve.

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https://youtu.be/rAlTOfl9F2w

if you do your beast tribe daylies it takes about 45 hours to get the 210 relic, which isnt really bad (~90x 30 min)

if you do some other stuff too, the time decreases to maybe 1 month with casual gameplay? same time effort like novus earlier

I honestly dont get why everyone is qq-ing

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Players were less crying when we got the relics from quests for free, even then look at 1.x relic questline... i have not often seen so many crying in FFXIV history than yet with 3.15!
There IS a reason behind and your argument is just wrong because its not handing it over to us.

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It would have been better if the unidentified items were gated behind each floor of Alexander savage. Then to make everyone happy, they could have made the gobdip drop on Void Ark at 3.2. You know, something to make you play with your FC or LS. Instead of that they just found a new way to isolate people from each other.

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Originally Posted by Melch

It would have been better if the unidentified items were gated behind each floor of Alexander savage. Then to make everyone happy, they could have made the gobdip drop on Void Ark at 3.2. You know, something to make you play with your FC or LS. Instead of that they just found a new way to isolate people from each other.

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How do you play with your FC if all you can do is form 8 man groups?
What will you do with your 8th or 24th friend? Let him go alone or left behind?!
In fact FFXIV does NOT support guilds! FFXIV is isolating players into 8 man statics.

ive leveled every DoW, DoM, DoL and DoH to 60. done multiple relics 2.X before the nerfs came. make sure to get all my scrips and tomes capped each week like a good little citizen of Eorza. but Heavensward is killing this game for me.

if i want red gatherer scrips, i best be sure to get blue scrips each week to buy bait. ok, thats routine for me now. crafter scrips, due to inventory problems and my refusal to pay for another retainer requires me to farms a few hours for materials each week to obtain what i dont have on hand. what ever, i do it for the sake of progression.

do all my roulettes each day excluding main scenario, so i can buy eso gear and get a boost in law tomes for the 27,000 it would require to buy the mats needed to craft the 170 crafter gear (just a single piece).

specialist crafting. f me for being an onmi crafter because i refuse to fill the pockets of greedy people with ridiculous prices who believe 2 minutes of time and 200k gil of material is worth several million. nope, got to rely on others now.

raiding. just nope. a1s was easy, a2s i think had the difficulty right, though waves of mobs are annoying, but thats beside the point. a3s, what a spike in difficulty. it wasnt just about skill, or making sure you played perfectly. it had a gear check. didnt win any loot for 7 weeks? sry, but you got to struggle, and hope the stars align if you want to see adds.

now we have the relic. something ive waited in excitement for since expansion released. waited... and waited... i dont mind atmas. hate em but i'll do em. dungeons? i get it, you need people queueing for em to keep em relevant. just wish i got tomes out of them or had something to level. my bad for spending time during the content drought leveling everything to 60. the step after awoken? lol @ getting multiple relics for those classes i maxed out. good bye spending law on crafting mats to progress my crafters past weekly lock outs. going to have to sacrafice time and sanity if i even want to obtain one before it becomes irrelevant, let alone multiple weapons. but damn, i have a life outside the game. maybe i should kiss that good bye?

or i could kiss the game good bye and take a break til things settle down? sure, lets do that and lose your house. possibly both your personal house and fc house depending on if the game has enough to keep the other members active. all that furniture that cant be reclaimed because it gets destroyed on removal has a value of more than some peoples property. so no, got to keep playing. got to keep paying in case i dont intend to quit for good. (not a quit post btw)

the new story content in 3.15? i get it, its not even a full content patch. but running from point A to B to C and killing less than a handful of mobs imo wasnt worth the content.

these last few months only makes me question the future of the game. are we from now on going to be handed ridiculous time sinks like HW relic is in its current state to mask lack of any content? forcing me to do the same thing now, that i been doing for the past half a year now for the sake of an ilvl? i just dont know atm

/end rant

back to the relic grind

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

How do you play with your FC if all you can do is form 8 man groups?
What will you do with your 8th or 24th friend? Let him go alone or left behind?!
In fact FFXIV does NOT support guilds! FFXIV is isolating players into 8 man statics.

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It's a MMO, there will always be people out of the team, that's why I also mentioned LS, because instead of complaining that they are left behind, people can actually try to form new group/meet people/have fun in game.

Yoshida still didnt understand that THIS IS A F...ing GAME. Its not a job or something like that. If I login into the game I want to enjoy and get fun, relax myself etc. I hope everyone inside here have a life and cant stand 8-12 hours online the game just to get a Weapon
With this new BIG Farm/grind step is just like I dont have nothing else to do in my life then the Relic Quest (and even if I play many hours we will have this Relic after 1-2 months). We have to remember another thing.. the new patch (with new weapons iLv 210+) will come in February and when you finally get the Relic saying "YEAH I FINALLY DID IT, I HAVE MY iLv 210 Relic Weapon" you immediately think "Oh well if I kill XXX in that Trial I will take a free 210+ .. what now with this junk?"... so I hope Yoshida will understand this. This is a game and not a Job etc. If you are going to do this shitty decision players will quit the game and going to play something else (and you can tell me "Well, quit the game, so why are you here to say this?" ... well I like this game, I like the FF Sagas and FF XIV is one of the best MMO I played in my entire life and I dont like to see it getting ruined by some wrong decision just because they want money... I'm still paying for this anyway).
Just looking forward this Yoshida ... dont ignore our tips and, maybe, just listen Japanese Community. We are players too like them and if we dont like something just try to understand us.

I've started to work on an Animus... the issue I have, isn't so much about the amount of grinding required, but the fact that you have to keep grinding the same things so damn much!

Apart from grinding Law/Poetics, you are pretty much forced to farm Alex Normal Mode and Beast tribe quests over and over and over...

Why not allow more ways to get the items? For example:

- Crystal Tower / Syrcus Tower / World of Darkness (Quest to do all 3 once per week, to get maybe 2 items)
- Old Primal Focus Quest (1 item per week)
- Add a new Primal Focus Quest (Kill Bismark, Ravana, Thordan EX for 2 items per week)
- PVP (1 item per 5 rounds of frontlines, maybe? Or let you buy them with Wolf Marks)
- Void Ark (1 a week, and maybe you could choose to spend your Farthing on another?)

Theres plenty of stuff to do in 3.1, so why make us have to do Alex normal and the old Beast tribe quests 100000 times? :/

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Originally Posted by AxelDH

- Crystal Tower / Syrcus Tower / World of Darkness (Quest to do all 3 once per week, to get maybe 2 items)
- Old Primal Focus Quest (1 item per week)
- Add a new Primal Focus Quest (Kill Bismark, Ravana, Thordan EX for 2 items per week)
- PVP (1 item per 5 rounds of frontlines, maybe? Or let you buy them with Wolf Marks)
- Void Ark (1 a week, and maybe you could choose to spend your Farthing on another?)

Theres plenty of stuff to do in 3.1, so why make us have to do Alex normal and the old Beast tribe quests 100000 times? :/

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They wouldn't even have to come up with a whole new quest for bis/rav/thordan since that'd probably have delayed the patch another month or two, just let us trade in the weapon tokens and while they're at it they could've let us trade in manifesto pages we don't have a use for as well. I'll just wait until they change something, I haven't touched alex story since August and they're not getting me to go back in there with this.

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Originally Posted by Tyrn

They wouldn't even have to come up with a whole new quest for bis/rav/thordan since that'd probably have delayed the patch another month or two, just let us trade in the weapon tokens and while they're at it they could've let us trade in manifesto pages we don't have a use for as well. I'll just wait until they change something, I haven't touched alex story since August and they're not getting me to go back in there with this.

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I think there's alot of us in this boat. I've taken what everyone is saying to heart. If you dont like it, then dont do it. A i210 weapon isnt gonna break you if you have an i205 weapon. Additionally, this quest is gonna provide next to zero practice for anyone experienced in their jobs, its just a grind with no meat to it.

I'll do it later if they nerf it, but until then i'll just work on getting a thordan wep then have fun doing some raiding with my "inferior" weapon that will still outgear the current content. Let the ones who don't enjoy raiding have their content. If someone wants to grind out nearly 80 hours of dry and boring content for a measly 10 ilvl's on a weapon then let them.

I want to thank SE and Yoshida for adding the Relic questline like this. I will be doing Phase 1 and 2 then enjoy the holiday and do Phase 3 if they nerf it in 3.4-3.5.

Why are people complaining about the high prices for the crafted materials?

Don't you need like 30-60 days just to get the other stuff? Do you really think the prices stay as high as this for 4-8 weeks? Lol.

The part from armorer for the alchemist-craft costs about 250k in hq on the market board. The alchemist-craft itself costs about 1,5-2 Mio. now.
I could buy those plates for 250k and sell the alchemist-stuff for 350k and would still make profit (a small one, but still).

Since there is nearly no demand for those items for the next weeks, unless you are one of those who get their 4x20 items in 1-2 weeks (lol), you will see prices drop a lot.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

I want to thank SE and Yoshida for adding the Relic questline like this. I will be doing Phase 1 and 2 then enjoy the holiday and do Phase 3 if they nerf it in 3.4-3.5.

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So the very first day new content gets released you decide it's not worth doing it untill it gets nerfed and you think everything's fine with it?

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Originally Posted by Alcide

So the very first day new content gets released you decide it's not worth doing it untill it gets nerfed and you think everything's fine with it?

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How high would you rate yourself on the scale of Woosh?

not really nothing to do in the game...its just pointless to do them...i ignore everything that doesnt give me eso cause they are no benefits to me whatsoever. Whats got me kinda pissed is that they used alex normal as a means to grind for relic..why the hell didnt they use coils, so much fun to be had there in old content...ive been farming alex normal since it came out months ago....now se wants me to farm it even harder....thats just screwed up on all kinds of levels