The Solo disease?

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Originally Posted by Aketo

That is a shame to hear.

On that note why are you on a ps3 typing on a forum for final fantasy xiv.

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I would assume its because she is playing FFXIV on the PC (in full screen without 3rd party tools) and it doesn't allow alt-tabbing so the only way to post on a forum, without shutting the game down, is to use a different device. I cannot wait until alt-tabbing is officially implemented.

I love my PS3, but its browser is terrible. I think I would rather post from my phone than use it :)

Move the taskbar to the top of your screen, and make it auto hide. Open a game in window mode, but with your max screen resolution. Drag and drop so you can't see the border. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Asmeret

Move the taskbar to the top of your screen, and make it auto hide. Open a game in window mode, but with your max screen resolution. Drag and drop so you can't see the border. Problem solved.

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I know that I personally get lower performance when I do that. And considering my PC barely runs FFXIV on medium-low settings, this isn't an option for me. It may be a solution for others though.

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Originally Posted by Asmeret

Move the taskbar to the top of your screen, and make it auto hide. Open a game in window mode, but with your max screen resolution. Drag and drop so you can't see the border. Problem solved.

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I have a decent rig and in order to play FFXIV on high settings it needs to be in fullscreen, when i go to windowed i have to drop to medium settings. I personally cant wait for them to just fix the problem and allow alt + tabing the program without crashing, its pretty elementary (seeing as every other game including crysis allows alt tabing) to still have your program crash from alt tab in fullscreen.

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Originally Posted by Xandre

Also, how can we, those within the Final Fantasy XIV community, help make you feel more comfortable?

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I wish I had time to answer this question properly, but I don't and I'm going to be without internet for a few days, so I just wanted to say that I really appreciate it, and that this thread itself has been great in many ways.

Happy gaming to everyone. :)

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Originally Posted by Asmeret

Kilta, quit being so emotional.

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I'm not being emotional. You misunderstabding how I'm posting. Try asking me questions.
Also please do not speculate how people are, or their reasoning to type from certain systems. I play ffxiv on my brothers laptop asa my pc broke and have no means to get it fixed. It broke AFTER I bought ffxiv and tried installing it. I do not have acess to the site nor time to type on this site on my brother laptop. I get on>> log in >> play >> log off. Since i have 24/7 access to my ps3. I use it to post.

I seriously think anyone/ everyone here should better educate yourselves in ADD. And not via WebMD. But via ADD books etc. What you precieve as emotional typing, is me typing fast. The way my brain is wired I lose track of what I want to say, very quickly. Have trouble with grammar locations. And sometimes My sentances get mixed together due to my though process is 10x faster then my typing. I do not have the best coordination with typing or penminship and tend to hit wrong letters, or forget how something is spelled. It is VERY frustrating thing to deal with on a day to day basis. I also tend to get distracked easily.

This tends to make me appear rude sounding as I'm just trying to get my though on paper/ the screen And tend to be extremely blunt about it. I do not like being rude. Nor am I trying to be rude. That is Why I stated adding the happy faces. To let ppl know I'm not trying to be rude or a smart @$$.

As I suggested learn to get to know people before you judge them.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I seriously think anyone/ everyone here should better educate yourselves in ADD. And not via WebMD. But via ADD books etc. What you precieve as emotional typing, is me typing fast. The way my brain is wired I lose track of what I want to say, very quickly. Have trouble with grammar locations. And sometimes My sentances get mixed together due to my though process is 10x faster then my typing. I do not have the best coordination with typing or penminship and tend to hit wrong letters, or forget how something is spelled. It is VERY frustrating thing to deal with on a day to day basis. I also tend to get distracked easily.

This tends to make me appear rude sounding as I'm just trying to get my though on paper/ the screen And tend to be extremely blunt about it. I do not like being rude. Nor am I trying to be rude. That is Why I stated adding the happy faces. To let ppl know I'm not trying to be rude or a smart @$$.

As I suggested learn to get to know people before you judge them.

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Boo Hoo /10 char

The problem I see with soloing in an MMO is what MMO stands for Massive Multiplayer Online. You can play a game like Morrowind, ect just download all the custom content. Also in my opinion Soloing in an MMO gives the illusion of a dead community. I miss the OLD MMO days they should just start making MSO games. So people who still want to play MMOs the way they were originally intended to be played can.

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Originally Posted by Grimm

Boo Hoo /10 char

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I wasn't doing a sob story, Just trying to get people to understand me better. Alot of people have misguides stances on What ADD actually is, nor truely understand how a pain it is to deal with. Why should I get mistreated for something I can't exactly control?

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

I wasn't doing a sob story, Just trying to get people to understand me better. Alot of people have misguides stances on What ADD actually is, nor truely understand how a pain it is to deal with. Why should I get mistreated for something I can't exactly control?

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Admin's have all ready talk to multiple people about this "trying to get people to understand my problem" and they stated, do not share personal information of this nature..

I suggest dropping the explaining your ADD posts, lest you be visited by the Admin Fairy.

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Originally Posted by Bled

Admin's have all ready talk to multiple people about this "trying to get people to understand my problem" and they stated, do not share personal information of this nature..

I suggest dropping the explaining your ADD posts, lest you be visited by the Admin Fairy.

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Then people should stop misinterpreting my post, and getting the wrong Idea about me :) It isn't fun getting insulted over a learning disability. Why should ppl have right to insult someone, refuse to get to know someone because they are of a mindset that either A) it doesn't exist. or B0 is isn't that big of a problem C) all in my head. I had to deal with that in school. not fun.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Then people should stop misinterpreting my post, and getting the wrong Idea about me :) It isn't fun getting insulted over a learning disability. Why should ppl have right to insult someone, refuse to get to know someone because they are of a mindset that either A) it doesn't exist. or B0 is isn't that big of a problem C) all in my head. I had to deal with that in school. not fun.

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People tend to not think of other people or their problems, its pretty common especially in in today's day and age. Its important to just remember that people are for the most part ignorant, or just don't care to know. I would just not take what they say personally and work on bettering yourself; your not going to change the worlds way of thinking on ADD one post at a time.

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Originally Posted by Bled

People tend to not think of other people or their problems, its pretty common especially in in today's day and age. Its important to just remember that people are for the most part ignorant, or just don't care to know. I would just not take what they say personally and work on bettering yourself; your not going to change the worlds way of thinking on ADD one post at a time.

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Not trying to do that. Just want ppl to stop assuming the worst of me on here :) That is all. I'm not the witchy troll everyone think that I am. I'm a friendly person why as a odd way of typing/talking. I try to let ppl know on how they look at times. Which others have done to me. And maybe suggest a better way of presenting ideas or topicsw like this. So no one gets the wrong idea and become offended (which happe alot on here)

I totally understand you! I am a solo player has well :)

I always try to look over my post before hitting the enter key, as I go over to see with or without a spellchecker to see if I type out words correctly while seeing if things flow or sound right when read after I finish typing.

Why I understand it might be hard for you to want to get everything your thinking down in text going 10 times the speed of your key typing from your head, it would really benefit you to go back and look over what you typed.

So you are able to see if what you typed flows well and makes sense while trying hard to see if a words are spelled right.

A suggestion would be to have a physical dictionary next to you if your uncertain of a word.

I have a bother that struggles with the same condition as you, however he tend to taken advice I have given him over the years and doesn't have nearly as much trouble as he once did, though it does take practice to say the lease.

I know its not something you really wanted to hear, but even if it takes a bit of extra time between posts in the long run people are more likely to read what you have to say if your not rushing to post whats on your mind before giving what you typed a decent look over.

As for soloing while you might think that it makes a mmo empty and disconnected it is not the same if we choose to ignore people, as a mmo as many online game has been for many a place to connect with others in a online community be it a world, server or whatever you might call it to connect with others.

Grouping is only one of many aspects of community, to assume that without grouping that if we all soloed (which is very unlikely) believing the world would feel dead would be a bit extreme in thinking to put it mildly.

Remember not everyone is going to have the same interests and desires as you, and as such when the developers diversify the way the game can be play your bound to run into different kinds of people that play the game.

While you might not agree with how soloers play, you should also be open to the fact that we are not here to anger you we are just here to play the game the way we want to.

I am many like me would hope that people that group would be able to understand that and at lease be able to accept each others preference while being civil and open mind to each other.

I know I have been well known for spending half a day just talking to friends in game and people in zones, even though I am soloing alone does that sound like a dislocated and dead world to you or that I am being anti-social?

I would hope not if anything that might make be look very social but not in the way some of you really want me and others to play by your rules and your groups playing your way while forcing us to play your way instead of ours.

Which I might add sounds a bit unfair if you ask me to be demanding anything or suggesting we group remember not all of us totally hate groups per say, but enough bad apples and mistreatment from group members over the year in many games along with other factors have made grouping in general a sour subject or necessity when soloing is a viable option

If I could find my dictionary Id have it with me. But ya I do reread what I post, and to me it reads fine. I also give people notice that if you do not understand me, just ask a question.

I also stated I do not mind soloing, just if they are rude about it. It tends to kill the mood of any game. Like the OP seriously did not need to type this topic out. And should ignore people who give them a hard time. What I do find funny is I made similar posts and was blasted over them. Not to long ago I made a topic to the devs by re conidering a few things and add more options to the game. So alot more types of people are willing to join and have fun. All people said was "useless thread" "this thread adds nothing" How does this thread add anything? Why do we need to know about this? I never once seen ANYONE say anything bad to or about solo'ers. I knew tons of them in several mmo. But these people who solo'ed also did join in group content and didn't suggest a mix of solo content and group content.

Now not saying a mix of both is bad, just never seen an mmo handle that well. If content can be solo, people WILL solo it. Even if you want to do it with a group just for having fun in a group, people will look down on you saying "you can solo it, and do not need a group" This happen to me alot in WoW and Aion. I enjoy being with other players, and tend to have the most fun that way I do not join in groups just to have it be easy.

I also enjoy some solo stuff and feel good when I CAN solo something. I'm not the best "gamer" persay and tend to play games on "easy". So when I can solo something say in ffxi like COp mission in sea, i was VERY happy. heck I cried when I beat maat as I didn't think i would ever, since I am not the best solo'er.
And again not to be mean. OP could have stated his topic a bit better. Because in my eyes coming in an mmo and bluntly saying "I hate grouping, and will refuse to group with people" kinda made me think "wow... who does this guy think he is." Kinda left a sour taste.

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Originally Posted by Grimm

The problem I see with soloing in an MMO is what MMO stands for Massive Multiplayer Online. You can play a game like Morrowind, ect just download all the custom content. Also in my opinion Soloing in an MMO gives the illusion of a dead community. I miss the OLD MMO days they should just start making MSO games. So people who still want to play MMOs the way they were originally intended to be played can.

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You make the common mistake of thinking that a soloist wants a dead world with no life or activity in it. A world like this gets boring pretty quickly. It would be tantamount to living in a real world where every person other than you is a computer. Almost like a prisons solitary confinement. I play an MMORPG because I want a world that is active, alive, and where I know that behind a large number of those virtual avatars are real people, interacting with the game world in entertaining, exciting ways. For example, I love going out in the world doing my quests and running into some others doing their quests, crafting, harvesting, whatever. Even seeing an occasional party run by off on some errand, makes the world feel dynamic and alive. It feels very lonely in instanced world games like Guild Wars, where even though it carries the title of MMORPG (which I do not think it deserves) you will never see another living soul out in the game world unless they are in your party. I do not have to like party mechanics to want to feel a part of a larger community.

Also, offline RPG's are a poor substitute for an MMORPG. The content, even in the largest games with the most DLC, are still a fraction of the size of a typical MMORPG, and tend to have relatively short lifespans where new content is released, and then its off to the next one.

sorry i keep running out of room. :P
Pretty much he could just left it at "i perfer to solo, that is how I enjoy the game" This way he isn't coming off as a jerk. And this was something I was trying to point out. Just had a rough time explaining it. And that also to me, He does SEEM (not is) playing victem. Like anyone can say anthing about grouping or that in an ff mmo group are sorta expected at somepoint (like everymmo I played) That even though it is in the Eulaaks rules, it is a standered of mmo in general sort of an unwritten rule. And that most end game content is centered around grouping. This also includes WoW and Aion. (and these have alot of solo aspects as well)

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

I must've missed where the OP demanded change to the game and was whining about it not being solo friendly. Whatever, I do both and really enjoy solo over a zerg-fest sometimes. Gotta admit though, spending any significant amount of time on this or other FFXIV forums does build a better case for soloing. = D

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Actually, the OP does make an argument for MMOs being 100% soloable in a previous post of theirs where they ask why *shouldn't* all content be soloable. They asked this in response to someone who suggested that while there will be solo-friendly content, there will also be group-only content.

The OP, apparently, isn't satisfied with that answer either and, yes, is coming across as a bit entitled and wanting everything "their way". I mean, even the title they chose for the thread screams "melodrama!".

To answer the question about why can't all content scale.. Because as has been mentioned before, the moment you put in content that - even if it's intended for group play - can be soloed, the chance of it being soloed increases. You start seeing the remarks in global "you can solo that. You don't need a group". And if someone presses the issue and still wants a party, they tend to open themselves to ridicule. The remarks like "lrn2ply kthxbye" and other assorted stupidity starts scrolling up. And where does that ridicule tend to come from, at least in my experience? The dedicated soloers who "never want to group for anything" and apparently believe no one else should want to either.

So, out of frustration and fed up with being chided for wanting to group up - for a group-recommended encounter - folks will give up on trying to find a group, suck it up and go solo it. So much for group-centric encounters.

I saw this play out and have experienced it myself several times in Aion, in WoW, in FFXI, in Lineage 2, in LoTRO... and in myriad other MMOs.

It's not enough for some players to prefer soloing... they have to boast about it, like it's some kind of badge of honor. Or, they look down on anyone who prefers grouping as being a "lesser player". I have a real-life friend who is like that. He pretty much believes anyone - who isn't him - is a moron who can't possibly play as well as he does, and is only going to slow him down, so he remains solo for everything. The only person he ever groups with is his wife when they're playing the same MMOs.

People talk about not liking groups because of the idiots you can run into. The most arrogant, obnoxious and self-absorbed players I've ever met have been almost entirely soloers who thought their crap didn't stink because they "could solo everything" while others "needed help".

I don't agree that "MMORPGs = you must enjoy grouping". However, just like people who prefer group-centric content have to accept that some content simply won't be geared for a party... Those who prefer soloing need to learn to accept that some content simply won't be geared for solo play. Tit for tat. Groupers have the option of soloing. Soloers have the option of grouping. Neither side deserves "special consideration" over the other.

Logistically speaking, the reason why MMO devs can't - or at least don't - simply scale all content up or down is because of the dynamics involved. A fight that is intended for a group of, say, 18 people is very likely going to require the individual actions and skills - and communication - of every single person in that group to pull it off successfully. The skill comes in the form of coordination and cohesiveness as a group - not only "what role are you playing in the game".

For that reason, I disagree with the OP when they say that it "takes more skill to solo it" because encounters scaled to a solo encounter - by necessity - have to do away with most all the aspects that would require a group. In other words, the encounter has to be manageable by a single player and further, by a single player regardless of what job/class they're playing. It goes from being a case of "appealing to a group of coordinating players, filling specific roles", to being one of reducing it to the lowest common denominator so that an individual of any class can succeed at it.

I would argue it takes more skill as a group because the chances of failure are multiplied by every person participating. If a key person dies, it's on others in the group to be on their toes, for someone to take on the fallen player's role, for someone to manage CC if needed, for the healer(s) to be quick on raising the fallen player(s) while keeping an eye on other players' health. In a group encounter, everyone needs to know their roles well enough to adjust their tactics on the fly and pull through the situation, avoiding a wipe. If one or two people aren't on the ball, control of the fight could be lost and it could quickly turn into a domino effect, with players dropping one after another.

For those reasons, I would argue group encounters are far more demanding, far more dynamic and, subsequently, far more interesting than a solo encounter can ever be, just by virtue of how they're designed.

If someone can quote this tell TDJ that elder scrolls oblivion those buggy, as similar stuff. You do see npc do other stuff. I actually for the first time in YEARS of owning this game say the countess of layewin with her personal escort march on horseback going to chorrol. That is the work of the radient AI. And I also found a guy who was assassinated, and a mob of npc killing each other because of a thf. These things do not always happen or are seen by the players. And no elder scrolls game has a finite amount of mobs. Just npc.... :P as I soon found out when I killed everyone in morrowwind. XD doomed that file like no tommarrow. Anyway..... Tell him I agree about the guild wars thing. I played it and imo wasn't an mmorpg. Well maybe the fact it is free after buying has something to do with it... XD

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Originally Posted by Preypacer

Actually, the OP does make an argument for MMOs being 100% soloable in a previous post of theirs where they ask why *shouldn't* all content be soloable. They asked this in response to someone who suggested that while there will be solo-friendly content, there will also be group-only content.

The OP, apparently, isn't satisfied with that answer either and, yes, is coming across as a bit entitled and wanting everything "their way".

To answer the question about why can't all content scale.. Because as has been mentioned before, the moment you put in content that - even if it's intended for group play - can be soloed, the chance of it being soloed increases. You start seeing the remarks in global "you can solo that. You don't need a group". And if someone presses the issue and still wants a party, they tend to open themselves to ridicule. And where does that ridicule tend to come from, at least in my experience? The dedicated soloers who "never want to have to group for anything" and apparently believe no one else should want to either.

So, out of frustration and fed up with being chided for wanting to group up, folks will give up on trying to find a group, suck it up and go solo it. So much for group-centric encounters.

I saw this play out in Aion, in WoW, in FFXI, in Lineage 2, in LoTRO... and in myriad other MMOs.

It's not enough for some players to prefer soloing... they have to boast about it, like it's some kind of badge of honor. I have a real-life friend who is like that. He pretty much believes anyone - who isn't him - is a moron who can't possibly play as well as he does, and is only going to slow him down, so he remains solo for everything. The only person he ever groups with is his wife when they're playing the same MMOs.

People talk about not liking groups because of the idiots you can run into. The most arrogant, obnoxious and self-absorbed players I've ever met have been almost entirely soloers who thought their crap didn't stink because they "could solo everything" while others "needed help".

I don't agree that "MMORPGs = you must enjoy grouping". However, just like people who prefer group-centric content have to accept that some content simply won't be geared for a party... Those who prefer soloing need to learn to accept that some content simply won't be geared for solo play. Tit for tat. Groupers have the option of soloing. Soloers have the option of grouping. Neither side deserves "special consideration" over the other.

The reason why they can't simply scale all content up or down is because of the dynamics involved. A fight that is intended for a group of, say, 18 people is very likely going to require the individual actions and skills - and communication - of every single person in that group to pull it off successfully.

I disagree with the OP when they say that it "takes more skill to solo it" because encounters scaled to a solo encounter - by necessity - have to do away with most all the aspects that would require a group. In other words, the encounter has to be manageable by a single player and further, by a single player regardless of what job/class they're playing.

I would argue it takes more skill as a group because the chances of failure are multiplied by every person participating. If a key person dies, it's on others in the group to be on their toes, for someone to take on their role, for the healer to be quick on the raise, for everyone to know their roles well enough to adjust their tactics on the fly and pull through the situation, avoiding a wipe. Group encounters are far more demanding and far more dynamic than a solo encounter can ever be, just by virtue of how they're designed.

So, making an encounter scale smoothly from group, or even large group, down to solo is not some trivial task.

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But OP never said anything about wanting to make FFXIV more soloable, because it already is. In fact, they mentioned that this game was too easy. Yes there were back n forth discussions about how content could or should be done, but that particular response of mine was directed specifically at the people who were posting as if the OP was complaining about XIV being too hard and wanting it easier for soloers. Which was just totally wrong. Felt like clarifying that since ya quoted my post. A mini-argument within the bigger discussion = D

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But OP never said anything about wanting to make FFXIV more soloable.

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Actually, yes he did several times. He asked for content to be scale-able much like levequests. So there is a solo side and a group side. And it was also stated many times that the issue with this, is if something can be solo, it will infact be solo'ed. People will take the "faster" way ofer the "fun" way. Any day. AkA they will solo more the group. And with those who want to group no matter will get mocked for "taking the easy way"

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Actually, the OP does make an argument for MMOs being 100% soloable in a previous post of theirs where they ask why *shouldn't* all content be soloable.

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I never say such a thing and in fact I make it a point to say numerous times that there is plenty of content that I do not think should be soloable.

What I do say (and I assume is the phrase that continues to be misinterpreted) is simply that many people can only see one extreme or another. Its either a group game with solo content, or a solo game with group content. And I pose the question asking why it has to be one or the other. This is a general observation and isn't targeted at any game in particular, just at the frame of mind that some people tend to have that it has to be either one or the other. You can quite easily have a game that is not group or solo centric (a nice hybrid), yet provides good content for both play styles. It is my humble opinion that FFXIV falls nicely into this category and doesnt need to be changed at all.

To sum it up, since I seem to have to every few posts: I do not think that everything should be soloable, nor do I think that FFXIV should change one bit to cater more to soloers.

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Originally Posted by thedevilsjester

I never say such a thing and in fact I make it a point to say numerous times that there is plenty of content that I do not think should be soloable.

What I do say (and I assume is the phrase that continues to be misinterpreted) is simply that many people can only see one extreme or another. Its either a group game with solo content, or a solo game with group content. And I pose the question asking why it has to be one or the other. This is a general observation and isn't targeted at any game in particular, just at the frame of mind that some people tend to have that it has to be either one or the other. You can quite easily have a game that is not group or solo centric (a nice hybrid), yet provides good content for both play styles. It is my humble opinion that FFXIV falls nicely into this category and doesnt need to be changed at all.

To sum it up, since I seem to have to every few posts: I do not think that everything should be soloable, nor do I think that FFXIV should change one bit to cater more to soloers.

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Just make the bolded section your sig lol

lol.... ya ima quote tdj AGAIN. gimi a sec and i'll edit this post.

Hello, first time poster, long time lurker. Bout time i got off my lazy butt and started contributing to the community.

Soloing has always been around. In the early days of mmo's (UO, everquest, DAoC), farming and Xping has been the primary purpose of soloing. In fact FFxi was the first mmo i had ever come across that was a group only game.

I solo for the above reasons, i have to be in a frame of mind these days to grind like that and unless you are a good friend in need of help, then no amount of requesting is going to pull me away from it. Its a frame of mind but like all my various different frames of mind (there are many), I am completely focused on it and would rather not be pulled away from it.

You might say that i can come back to it later, but in all my experience playing mmos, there is no later. you, one person is asking, you might say, but as you also say, we are playing an mmo with thousands of people, all of them wanting to make those same requests.

I farm by myself. I am unlucky with numbers (which is why i do not gamble) and always lose in gambling. i could have 50/50 odds and still lose. When i kill something solo, its loot is mine. When i kill something in a group i have to split it.

I remember my last few days of FFxi with my 32 whm still wearing lvl 12 gear as the only income i seemed to get was just enough to buy the neccessary spells to play my character decently. i was always broke and could just keep up with spells. I wished I could set up a LFG flag and run off to farm while i waited. Instead i had to wait, wait, wait. etc. get in a group and lose all the rolls on the loot.

People solo, i solo for various reasons. We all play diferrently. Guess what, we are all individuals and play games differently. Try being tolerent of different peoples playstyles, worry about yourself and not what someone else is doing.

Now before you rip me a new one. Let me add, that although i do farm by myself i enjoy group play content as well. I enjoy to group with friends but i detest being forced to group with strangers as i have had bad experiences with bad grps. FFxi brings back memories of bad grps. And even WoW.

I would like to group with friends and guildies/LS members. I don't want constant random stranger requests for groups just for the sake of grouping. i would never get anything done like that. And Yes, there are ways to make new friends by ignoring or turning down random requests. I want quality of friends, not quantity.

Its not being rude, its being focused on the task at hand.

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Kilta, quit being so emotional.

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Damn her for being a human being!

ok just gonna re post :P since ppl already posted under mine
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...e-Solo-disease post 17
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Originally Posted by thedevilsjester

Why should MMO's be group focused?

I talk mostly of scalable content that can work perfectly for either side. Why would a company choose to make content for one or the other, when they can make it for both?

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And when people were since saying he can solo all he wants just at some point expect to group. He attacked people using
"what makes groups so special" Further impiling he doesn't like groups or possible those who group.
And as for the reply is ffxi is a group mmo, based on a group based rpg. It comes with the final fantasy territory that the story is not about a singular hero but a group of them.
Dungeon and dragons was one of the leader rpg that paved the way of making the the rpg video game. Do you play the game solo? Or do you and a group of people play? (if not the first the most popular one)

I think those who let bad parties rule their gaming should really ease up. And don;t preach if they can't do :) Those who stick to their friends or LS;s is what is ruining ffxiv for alot of ppl. I can't even talk to anyone... I've talked to 4 ppl in this game. and been playing for almost a mnth. IMO that is a bad mmo community. I've had both good and bad parties in ffxi. And I do not let each rule my game play. TBH the first person I talked to wad Vid who started the convo by saying "you are on the wrong server" ^.^ nice way to start ffxiv :P

You have an odd inability to distinguish between discussing & attacking.

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Originally Posted by thedevilsjester

Why? What you have stated is more or less true, but you didnt give any reasoning for the statement. Why should MMO's be group focused?

Your claims that soloists are anti-social is just the sort of backwater thinking that I am talking about. Does that mean that people who don't play MMO's at all are all anti-social? Anyone who plays offline RPGs, they must be anti-social too, because they are choosing to play a single player game over an online game.


I talk mostly of scalable content that can work perfectly for either side. Why would a company choose to make content for one or the other, when they can make it for both?


Why? Multiplayer doesn't mean that you have to form groups with these other players, just that they exist in the same persistent world as you. So Why are MMO's, by their nature, group games? "It just is." Is not an answer to anything.

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This is the post Kilta quoted. She edited it and took it out of context. No surprise there.

Bad parties do not rule my gaming experience. Bad parties ruin my random group request experience. i have plenty of fun when i am with friends. Although it hasn't occured in this game yet. Partying with friends and LS members gives way to talking and using stategy and tolerence of someone not that well equipped. Working with friends also leads to helping that one person who needs a helping hand.

random group requests leads to rushing and ppl dropping if something goes bad. Theres no tolerence with random groups.

As for whats killing FFxvi. Its not that you cannot find groups, since grouping is not needed yet. I say its a quite a few reasons but thats for another thread.

Its not ppl not talking to each other thats a prob either. IMHO it would be a shitty chat system and the excessive use of animations that ruins the chatting. IMHO its a pain in the butt to open chat while crafting, attacking or anything except when you stand in 1 spot.

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Originally Posted by Leeloo

You have an odd inability to distinguish between discussing & attacking.

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Not really, a discussion is when two sides see the other point not twist something and back peddle/ deny saying things. Read his replies carefully. You can tell he hates grouping. It is very obvious. He keeps saying multiplayer isn't about grouinbg that there are no mmo rules that mmo are about grouping.
And again firther attacks a anyone who stated "you will end up in a grpup at some point" and he keeps asking why? and Why is that so special? And when people reply to this. Giving ff as a perfect example. He disregards it as someone who think "they are right and he is wrong". I can find more qoutes to prove this.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

lol.... ya ima quote tdj AGAIN. gimi a sec and i'll edit this post.

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Yeah, edit his post, take it out of context, and pass it off as if that's what he said.



@Kilta.

WHAT THREAD ARE YOU READING? It sure isn't this one.

Asking someone "why?" is not an attack...

Also, you're doing a lot of twisting around of posts yourself. So by your definitions, you should stop attacking the OP = D

@ options actually and I'm saying it nicely. you let a bad experiemce rule your game. Since u had bad random parties, you now dislike any of them

@ asment No i took out the stuff that was irrelivent/ the quote only fit if I shortent it. And no I'm not dumb either. I gave good examples on how multiplayer in an RPG can infact mean GROUPING. :)

He is still asking for solo content or the same content a group can do but solo. Now This isn't stating "easy content" Or he is asking for "easy content" BUT content does infact need to be either or. WoW is a good example. You can solo from 1-max. I perfer leveling in a group. And asked my b/f at the time if he wanted to do quests with me. Even he told me "why bother you can solo the quests". I asked other people, I got the same reply. When content can be solo'ed or done in a group. People would solo just to get it done w/o wasting time. And will infact tell people who perfer to group "it solo-able no reason to group".

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Originally Posted by Asmeret

Yeah, edit his post, take it out of context, and pass it off as if that's what he said.



@Kilta.

WHAT THREAD ARE YOU READING? It sure isn't this one.

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honestly your the only childush one here. It was questioned if he did stated scaoled content for both solo and group players. That is true. I provided the exact qoute of that and took out the irrelivent part. Due to the fact i couldn't post the whole quoted post. I didn't change any word in what was said. Or implied anything by it. Just priving he did infact wote it.

First: I respect the OP's desire to play the game the way he wants to. It's not the same way *I* want to play, but I'm not playing his game or having fun for him.

Second: When I was reading that whole back & forth exchange between Jester & Kilta, for some reason the thing that kept popping in my head was an old post. In this post, I vaguely recall that Kilta told an anecdote about how in FFXI she was ostracized for trying to play a melee Red Mage (read: play the way SHE wanted to play her character). I find it quite ironic that someone who so vehemently defended a player's right to have fun the way the player deems fit is now trying to say that the way someone wants to have fun is wrong.

Lastly: I'm going to bed now. But thanks for the entertaining read (pretty much all day long off & on) :)