So about Summoner...

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Originally Posted by DaulBan

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I think its a lot closer for those 2 than smn. most of the time you want 2 ranged 2 melee anyway (outside of a couple fights it doesn't matter), meaning monk has to compete against the gods of nin+drg for their slot, and not often ranged. 2 range slots, everybody will always 100% want a bard for one of them because why wouldn't you. so its down to blm/smn/rdm/mch for the final competition of 2nd range spot. I honestly feel like equal higher play mch and blm are close enough to ignore differences, especially if a monk ended up replacing the drg and theres no disembowel.

I think if any job wanted to argue against how good monk is, it'd be sam.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

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thanks.
I kind of forget ARR even existed.
really could have sworn smn was more prevalent during HW though.

I enjoy how SMN and BLM are fighting over who gets the biggest piece of the pie while RDM is locked outside in the rain. Less useful utility, so much less damage it's not even in this ballpark...

... but yeah, you SMN mains keep complaining when people ask to get rid of some of your dps or utility/mobility. Sure, your complaints are totally important >.>

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Originally Posted by Zerathor

How many first clears have a BLM?

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Dude, all the posts I've seen you posting in this thread have very poor arguments/make no sense at all.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Well we had BLM first in ALL the Final Coil fights.
We had BLM first in BOTH Gordias and Midas and some fights of creator.
We had no SMN first in Deltascape.
We had no SMN first in UCoB.
I have no clue about Sigmascape.
Stop victmizing BLM.
Again, stop.

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Originally Posted by Caduagm

Dude, all the posts I've seen you posting in this thread have very poor arguments/make no sense at all.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Well we had BLM first in ALL the Final Coil fights.
We had BLM first in BOTH Gordias and Midas and some fights of creator.
We had no SMN first in Deltascape.
We had no SMN first in UCoB.
I have no clue about Sigmascape.
Stop victmizing BLM.
Again, stop.

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Great counter argument. (its not)

While i did forget a bit on blm clearing some fights in the past, it doesn't change the relevance of where the job is currently. and if you honestly think these 2 jobs are on par when one has 371 clears of a fight, while the other has less than 10, i'm not sure where you get your metric.

https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/19#b...ummoner&page=4

https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/19#b...spec=BlackMage

UwU will be no different.

so actually you.
Stop.
Being.
Blind.
Again, stop.

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Originally Posted by Zerathor

UwU will be no different.

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Do you think nerfing summoner would make BLM more valuable in UwU?

UwU have lower dps check. They wanted players focus more mechanics than dps. currently 4x rdms have cleared UwU and 4x SMNs. From same reason majority of players play whm over astro. WHM is totally trash dps wise. Still players prefer RDM and WHM for UwU Because it is lot easier progress that fight with these jobs.

Hey let's buff astro too

https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/19#b...iteMage&page=5

https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/19#b...ec=Astrologian

xd

When fights are designed for less than 1% of the player population to clear, it's natural that players with gravitate to classes which offer the least resistance during progression (and subsequent re-clears since the fights are 18+ minutes long). Not saying blm doesn't need some love, but basing your arguments off 2 pieces of content that operate on a different meta game than everything else doesn't do anymore to prove your point.

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Originally Posted by Sunako

Do you think nerfing summoner would make BLM more valuable in UwU?

UwU have lower dps check. They wanted players focus more mechanics than dps. currently 4x rdms have cleared UwU and 4x SMNs. From same reason majority of players play whm over astro. WHM is totally trash dps wise. Still players prefer RDM and WHM for UwU Because it is lot easier progress that fight with these jobs.

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honestly i just want blm to get a buff to the point its a viable option (in ult). be that from a noticeable dps gain over smn, or letting them have some kind of unique group utility again.

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Originally Posted by Zerathor

honestly i just want blm to get a buff to the point its a viable option (in ult). be that from a noticeable dps gain over smn, or letting them have some kind of unique group utility again.

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BLM have already get buffed like 200+ dps and summoner have get nerfed around 100 dps from UCOB. It does not matter even if blm is top dps, players want raise for ultimate progress. It not matter how much is your dps once you practice. It not matter if you mana become 0 and you can not dps. What matter is you can practice the boss mechanics little longer without 10 min warmp up every time. Nobody want BLM during progressing long fights like ultimate. As long BLM not have raise it is poor state in progress if you dont play with second caster. BLM is totally viable in ultimate, but nobody want it during progress.

Raise isn't the biggest reason BLM is poor for progression; it's because of how intimately one needs to know the fight so they know where to stand to maximize their dps. A BLM who doesn't know where or how to stand will always do less dps than a SMN, and in a lot of cases even RDM.