New Optional Items avaible on Mogstation!

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

I'm ok with optional items to a point. The first store item I remember in WoW was a minion, the first month proceeds of which were donated to the make-a-wish foundation, which Blizzard had collaborated with multiple times in this past. That was a nice touch, and the pets and mounts that followed were gradual and unique enough that it didn't seem like they were deliberately making cuts from the base game. It was only around 4 or 5 years ago that they went mad with power.

FFXIV started by introducing a Slepnir store mount at the SAME TIME they introduced an Odin battle. While not as hard as the previous primal extreme fights, Odin was the first primal not to drop a themed mount, despite being the only primal that road a mount. That felt like something that deserved to be in the base game, in my opinion, and is the main reason I've hesitated to embrace the new stuff that has appeared on the mogstation.

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The Odin mount is the only thing that I don't like being in there.

It would've been much better being a drop in the Odin trial, or even given as reason to do the Odin fate, which many people have no reason to do anymore.

Old event items however and the minions, I have no problem with. Same goes for anything original that is added, which they are really lacking. Sleipnir just left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouth.

*triggers*

I'm just kinda laughing at the people claim that "their subscriptions" pay for this content?

I'd like to see the internal financial documentation you have that leads you to come to that conclusion.

The money you give to Square Enix, goes to Square Enix. Then some, maybe, goes towards FFXIV development.

But it might go to FFXV. It might go to a *gasp* Mobile title! Oh the horror!

Sorry but you don't get to dictate how they spend the money you give them. You're not paying for the content. You're paying for the permission to play. So long as you approve of the content enough to subscribe, the rest is left to their discretion. Everything short of that is delusional.

Again, you are not SE's employers, you're their customers. You do not get to dictate how they spend their money, or where your money is going.

You CAN however, criticize updates to a service you are paying for. In which case, the proper argument would be that, as a service, you would like certain parts of that service to not be time limited to a singular occurrence of an event. They are entitled to disagree and not listen to you, or listen to you and change it. And you are entitled to unsubscribe or maintain your subscription. This is the nature of a business relationship. You do not own them. You debate your case in hopes to come to an agreement with them - but ultimately they dictate your value as a customer, while you dictate your personal value of their product.

You don't cross those streams. It doesn't work out and it makes the argument look foolish.

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Originally Posted by Ditto

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The Odin mount is the only thing that I don't like being in there.

It would've been much better being a drop in the Odin trial, or even given as reason to do the Odin fate, which many people have no reason to do anymore.

Old event items however and the minions, I have no problem with. Same goes for anything original that is added, which they are really lacking. Sleipnir just left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouth.

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And my problem with the store is mostly the ghost costume. I love that outfit so much, but they launched the store right before halloween, and never re-released the ghost costume for gil. I knew a lot of new players who wanted the costume, and we were totally going to ghost up mor dhona, but when they slapped a $5 pricetag on the outfit, my ghost army plans fell apart.

I guess it's impossible to MAKE an optional item store without some bad taste going around.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

You do not own them. You debate your case in hopes to come to an agreement with them - but ultimately they dictate your value as a customer, while you dictate your personal value of their product.

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Congrats on figuring out why people complain on forums. I'd give you a ghost costume as a reward, but I'd rather not pay $5 for it.

Optional item store is a kind way of saying "Filthy cash shop that doesn't belong in a P2P MMO".

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Originally Posted by Lyaha

Optional item store is a kind way of saying "Filthy cash shop that doesn't belong in a P2P MMO".

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It exists because people pay out the ass for the stuff on it. Morals, unfortunately, don't have much of a place in corporations; if the RoI is there and it isn't overtly illegal, you do it.

Square's profits were up 73% last quarter, so clearly it's working.

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

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Congrats on figuring out why people complain on forums. I'd give you a ghost costume as a reward, but I'd rather not pay $5 for it.

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It'd be fruitless anyways seeming I have the item, cause I attended the events.

This just wreaks of people who complain cause they can't use an expired coupon.

And no, most complaints on this forum stem from a position of entitlement. Occasionally there's a valid concern in there, like an imbalance in a mechanic or progression. But most of it becomes "I want my instant gratification without paying more fore it or doing what I'm supposed to do! Gimmie!"

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I distinctly recall being able to purchase the first 2.0 summer bikinis on alts I didn't have when that holiday rolled around a second time. As far as I know, SE never said it wasn't meant to be a permanent thing. It was a clear design decision from the perspective of a player. All you're doing is trying to backtrack in justifying their really shady, f2p-style business tactic.

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I have no issues with spending a couple of bucks to be able to get an event item that I missed out on. With most of the games I've played that had events with exclusive items/cards/what have you, if you missed out, you missed out and that was it. There were no other chances to get the exclusive event rewards. The fact that FFXIV even makes them available at all is, to me, worth the $3 or $5.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

It exists because people pay out the ass for the stuff on it. Morals, unfortunately, don't have much of a place in corporations; if the RoI is there and it isn't overtly illegal, you do it.

Square's profits were up 73% last quarter, so clearly it's working.

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Sorry, I bought a bunch of awesome Batman and Metal Gear play-arts figures last quarter, 72% was all me.

Seriously, Square is a huge company, you can't throw their total profits around to justify one business decision which clearly a lot of customers on this forum dislike. It makes money, but the opinion on it is about 50/50 here. As it continues to grow each year, it could come to color many people's opinions of the game. By 4.0, review sites may be describing FFXIV as being a p2p game with a larger optional clothing store in than any other mmo on the market.

And people in this thread say I don't understand businesses.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

And no, most complaints on this forum stem from a position of entitlement. Occasionally there's a valid concern in there, like an imbalance in a mechanic or progression. But most of it becomes "I want my instant gratification without paying more fore it or doing what I'm supposed to do! Gimmie!"

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"I want customers to pay more for a product without creating any extra content! Gimmie!" is how I see the mogstation coming into existence. And players complain on the forums in the hopes that Square makes things a little more their way, as you said earlier.

You are right that there is a lot of crazy demands made on the forums, from petitions that will do nothing, to people addressing threads with "yoshi-p read this". People need a bit more tact with how they discuss certain topics, and I myself go to an extreme at times.

But the monetizing of assets to this game is something everyone should be watching with a level of concern. The item shop is growing incredibly fast, mostly on the coattails of earlier successful seasonal events. There is no way this won't affect future development, but in what way? Will there be more new seasonal items than ever before? Or will new art assets show up in the item shop first, without being implemented in game? It's worth being nervous about, at this point, and strong player opinion might have some emphasis on future decisions.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Be happy, those bikinis are not in the cash shop

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So you have no real excuse for what SE has done. Good to know!

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Originally Posted by Naunet

I distinctly recall being able to purchase the first 2.0 summer bikinis on alts I didn't have when that holiday rolled around a second time. As far as I know, SE never said it wasn't meant to be a permanent thing. It was a clear design decision from the perspective of a player. All you're doing is trying to backtrack in justifying their really shady, f2p-style business tactic.

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The summer event cycles swimsuits and yukatas, and from what I'm aware, the only yukatas available prior to last year's event were 1.0