All Greed on Alliance loot

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06-03-2018, 05:58 PM
Chasely

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I can't think of a single scenario where greed only is fine. Never mind better than having need. No one asked for this change. SE wasted resources fixing a fictional problem and created real ones in the process.

There is a reason why mmorpgs have had need/greed/pass on loot for well over a decade - because it's easy to understand, it makes sense and it works.

Perhaps it's because I'm not all caught up yet. I don't think greed only would cause too much trouble in older raids. Better gear is easily obtainable, so making the older gear easily obtainable by everyone isn't an issue as long as the gear can't be traded for currency or desynthed. People would still run the roulette for minions and tomes.
06-03-2018, 05:59 PM
BillyKaplan

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Originally Posted by Chasely

as long as the gear can't be traded for currency or desynthed.

; ; ok I know y'all aren't crafters but please stop suggesting this.
06-03-2018, 06:20 PM
Rockette

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Originally Posted by Chasely

Perhaps it's because I'm not all caught up yet. I don't think greed only would cause too much trouble in older raids. Better gear is easily obtainable, so making the older gear easily obtainable by everyone isn't an issue as long as the gear can't be traded for currency or desynthed. People would still run the roulette for minions and tomes.

People specifically run for glamour and with the old belts that still drop, no token system, it's incredibly hard to get a piece that you want even with Need in place. Now that there is no advantage and you're rolling against 7 other people its just straight impossible.
06-03-2018, 11:16 PM
Liam_Harper

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Originally Posted by Sukocat

I kinda liked the idea that WoW adopted where you were rolling for a chance to get loot instead of rolling on loot that dropped. It was something that was implemented in MoP, iirc, where if you won, you got a piece of gear in accordance with the class you played.

Edit: In other words, there was no more loot dropping for classes no one wanted.

Surprised they chose Greed only over something similar to this system. With WoW's Personal loot, you can set a loot spec of your choice and when you kill a boss it has a fair chance at dropping a piece of gear. Each member has this individual personal chance at gear. On top of that you have 3 bonus loot rolls a week to try for loot you really want from specific bosses. You can even trade personal loot you don't want to a party member who can use it.

Is "greed only" really the best they could do?
06-04-2018, 12:40 AM
Alleo

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Originally Posted by Penthea

You bring up a good point. If it was supposed to be only for glam...then why does it have combat stats? Why waste resources balancing gear if you don't want players to use the stats?

Didnt they say that they changed it because japanese players used it to gear up their other jobs? Because if that is not the reason and just is there for glamour (why create it then?) why change it? I mean even for glamour this is worse since you cant get it now even with the job so you will have to roll even more often to get it..especially if there is no weekly lockout.
06-04-2018, 12:46 AM
Moomba33

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Originally Posted by Noshpan

Except that they've said that Alliance raids are NOT a catch-up mechanic. And that's the reason why they changed looting rules. Gear from Alliance raids are intended for glamours. To which I must ask "Why bother putting stats on them if they're sole intent is for glamour?"

Also begs the question as to why the sets include belts.
06-04-2018, 01:10 AM
Bourne_Endeavor

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Originally Posted by Penthea

SE really need to figure out the difference between intended use and applied use. They may not have intended alliance gear to be catch up gear but that is how it's used.

This summarize the hunt issues and how they continuously refuse to buff ARR and HW hunts because they equally refuse to accept people have turned them into open world activities.

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Originally Posted by Chasely

Perhaps it's because I'm not all caught up yet. I don't think greed only would cause too much trouble in older raids. Better gear is easily obtainable, so making the older gear easily obtainable by everyone isn't an issue as long as the gear can't be traded for currency or desynthed. People would still run the roulette for minions and tomes.

If you want something for glamour from an old 24 man, now you have to deal with people rolling on everything for Company Seals. Admittedly, I'm guilty of that, but will pass if someone asks. Will everyone do that? Not in my experience. So no, the glamour farm just became far more difficult because of this pointless change.
06-04-2018, 01:26 AM
Penthea

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Originally Posted by Rockette

People specifically run for glamour and with the old belts that still drop, no token system, it's incredibly hard to get a piece that you want even with Need in place. Now that there is no advantage and you're rolling against 7 other people its just straight impossible.

Yea and I don't think needing company seals should be equal to or outweigh wanting a glam. Nor should desynthing.

If you want a piece for glam usually there's only one way to get it. There is a very long list of ways to get company seals, and there are several sources for getting gear to desynth.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Surprised they chose Greed only over something similar to this system. With WoW's Personal loot, you can set a loot spec of your choice and when you kill a boss it has a fair chance at dropping a piece of gear. Each member has this individual personal chance at gear. On top of that you have 3 bonus loot rolls a week to try for loot you really want from specific bosses. You can even trade personal loot you don't want to a party member who can use it.

Is "greed only" really the best they could do?

I think it's more that greed only was the quickest and easiest way to make the change. All they had to do was disable the need command and take away the button. Adding a system like WoW's personal loot would mean actually developing something new and potentially complex.

If SE want alliance loot to have equal priority for all, then a system like WoW's personal loot is the way to go. Greed only is too easy to abuse.
06-04-2018, 02:27 AM
Rockette

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Originally Posted by Alleo

Didnt they say that they changed it because japanese players used it to gear up their other jobs? Because if that is not the reason and just is there for glamour (why create it then?) why change it? I mean even for glamour this is worse since you cant get it now even with the job so you will have to roll even more often to get it..especially if there is no weekly lockout.

Over on Reddit, everytime someone says the Japanese players are behind this, Japanese players show up on the thread to hotly dispute it. Apparently they are as baffled and as against the change as we are.
06-04-2018, 02:38 AM
Rockette

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I think it's more that greed only was the quickest and easiest way to make the change. All they had to do was disable the need command and take away the button. Adding a system like WoW's personal loot would mean actually developing something new and potentially complex.
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Well, we saw how well developing a new system turned out with the glamour toilet. Is this another case of be careful what you wish for because you might get a half-hearted response?

Yeah I'm still mad about the complete mess that turned out to be. There was so much potential :(

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