Or, I guess the easiest route would be just to have an option for players to turn *boing boing* off
Where is FFXIV headed in terms of sexism?
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11-13-2012, 11:04 AMCoDeWa
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11-13-2012, 11:05 AMWynnReal gladiators fought naked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
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11-13-2012, 11:06 AMColvinYeah. not that this is historically factual, but the original 300 comic, they only had capes on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynn
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11-13-2012, 11:07 AMShougun:D !Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynn
Those are not an option here hehe.
300 Is all real. The internet told me so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colvin
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11-13-2012, 11:09 AMCharminGymnasium translates to "naked room". Everyone enjoy that. =)Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynn
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11-13-2012, 11:11 AMAlhanelem-noQuote:
- Are you concerned about female objectification?
- Are you concerned with how far the FFXIV team will go with sexism?
- Does it in any way effect your enjoyment of the game?
- Has it ever effected how you have been treated as a female avatar?
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-never played as a female, I prefer to play as my own gender in most games and cases.
I don't treat female characters any differently than male ones, so none of this impacts my experience. Everyone is a player in the game and the player is all that matters to me.
By adding a bust size option (which people requested- I don't know what percent of the requesting players were real life males/females in relation to the actual number of male/female players though) they increased this objectification. Since busts vary in real life, it makes sense to allow it to vary in the game. None of the bust options are ridiculous or excessive. I really don't see problems in the game in this area. TONs of games are a lot worse- especially any scifi FPS with female characters in it. -
11-13-2012, 11:11 AMShougunAnd people think current day wrestling is "gay". Too bad they didnt have camcorders for the spartans general night out..Quote:
Originally Posted by Charmin
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11-13-2012, 11:14 AMColvinI imagine it is a bit like the oiled down fight scene from "The Transporter"... sexyQuote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
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11-13-2012, 11:20 AMDeakka
I see more males in subligar than I do females when in Ul'dah, food for thought. The most useful gear (Darklight) is pretty well covered up.
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11-13-2012, 12:26 PMDiyne
Personally, if we're talking about the Coliseum gear, I feel like that was almost put in as a gag on other MMO's that do have extremely skimpy armor. Thankfully, it was equally terribly skimpy on males as it was on females. It was rather sex neutral, in this case. Otherwise, most of the armor (aside from some that is supposed to be 'sexy', like bikini's and coatees), has been rather neutral. I haven't really seen any sexism in the actual game storyline, other than some kind of traditional bits with gender roles in a few of the stories.
When I first started playing mmo's, female gamers were a lot less seen. Even if you were a guy playing a female character, it wasn't apparent, and people didn't talk about their gender. A lot of people assumed you were whatever you were playing, or you were just a dude (which still happens). My fiance and I used to have a lot of fun messing with people who were hitting on either of us, depending on who was playing a girl or guy character. However, at this time, we were much younger, and in the last few years, this sort of behavior in online games seems to have slowed down quite dramatically. You don't see nearly as many people just hitting on female characters in games anymore. At least not in games like XI, WoW, and XIV. (I can't speak for games like Second Life or something though.)
I am not worried about female objectification at this time, but I would not say I would dismiss it if I felt it was apparent. Normal players who are just playing the game aren't going to have issues. But at the same time of worrying about objectification, I've seen many times women using their gender as a reason for them to act out, or try and get people to give them in game items/money; offering erotic chat, ect in exchange for them. And yes, some guys bite this, and it's their own fault if they do. This sort of behaviour is something else, it sadly helps to keep a gender gap between players.
I've been treated in some strange ways playing female characters. I'm a friendly player. I help people out when I can, and I can be rather talkative due to my ADD. For some reason, people see this as flirting. As a male character, this does not happen. I have only had one instance where, when someone realized my real gender, they began to act differently toward me, and I sadly had to shut them down. (All I did was mention my fiance, and they stopped flirting, AND stopped speaking to me at all. We'd been talking for months before he realized my real gender.) -
11-13-2012, 01:38 PMIrana
I want a bigger breasts size option
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11-13-2012, 01:45 PMValmonteWhy don't we just add walking boobs, seems to be what people want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irana
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11-13-2012, 02:05 PMCharminI, for one, welcome my new, large-breasted overlords. XD;Quote:
Originally Posted by Valmonte
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11-13-2012, 02:05 PMWyyoteWell that's just silly. I mean, how would you cover them up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Valmonte
Wait a minute.... ! -
11-13-2012, 02:14 PMJadi
The premise is kinda sexiest in itself that assumes females need to cover up more. Have you seen the male gear? Men are objectified just as much if not more in the gear choices.. Really? How many times have you heard your male friends say they won't wear something because it looks "homo"?
It seems SE is an equal opportunity sexual objectifier. And honestly it's cool with me so long as they make gear pants too occasionally.
I got over wearing subligar in XI.. -
11-13-2012, 02:16 PMWyyoteWhat are gear pants? And are they meldable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadi
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11-13-2012, 02:36 PMDiyne
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1960774/oh%20man.jpg
I find this freaks people out more than I thought it would. Then again, I think I'm quite dashing. -
11-13-2012, 02:38 PMIngolf
The goatee completes the look imo.
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11-13-2012, 02:43 PMNinjaPanda
Why do people insist on getting so butt hurt when they play a game? Do you need to make problems wherever you go? Enjoy the game for what it is. If you don't like it, find another game to enjoy. Really it's that simple.
This is no different than someone eating steak and you telling them they shouldn't like steak because you don't. -
11-13-2012, 02:47 PMWyyoteMy son has the same outfit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diyne
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11-13-2012, 02:52 PMShougunTo be honest it does freak me out.. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Diyne
If I put that up at work people would think I was looking at Child Porn :(
Then I'd have to explain to them that Lala's are adults but their eye brow would just keep raising into their hair line.. lol -
11-13-2012, 02:55 PMAlerith
We treat objects like women!
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11-13-2012, 02:55 PMindira
so if your Roegadyn marry a Lalafell and both the same sex your, the Roegadyn is a pedo and gay.
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11-13-2012, 02:56 PMIngolfWell Roes would be the bottom generally.Quote:
Originally Posted by indira
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11-13-2012, 03:08 PMSuicideJoker
SE is trying to expand the game to attract more female players. Hence, getting more men to play. Women loves beautiful and sexy games. Men loves beautiful and sexy women(unless your gay, you got it made already). Sex appeal makes any MMORPG amazing. Ex. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py5cv...feature=fvwrel
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11-13-2012, 03:10 PMIngolfDo those women secrete baby oil?Quote:
Originally Posted by SuicideJoker
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11-13-2012, 03:10 PMTalshara_Blade
I personally love the look of my toon with coliseum gear and PLD AF boots/gloves/crown. Screams tough and sexy! Of course I'm a guy IRL so eye candy armor is grrrrreat! Wish I'd been playing during the summer event enough to get a swimsuit :D Only other problem is I'm gonna have to find the Coliseum subligar and galerus(?) again cause I didn't have them during the save. Someone was nice enough to give them to me since I wasn't a permanent trade lol ....I guess I'll be looking for someone to do Operation:Crosseye first day ARR goes live cause I ain't got millions of gil to buy them.
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11-13-2012, 03:13 PMindirathats more of a WTF?? then beautiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuicideJoker
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11-13-2012, 04:39 PMKallivisI like your post and appreciate what you took the time to write.Quote:
Originally Posted by Niqote
Just to add a comment about this, I am not 100% sure since my Japanese is fairly poor but Yoshida's answer for this was different than the official English translation. English translations tend to cut a lot of things out or change what the intended answer was.
I believe Yoshida's actual answer was along the lines of "for those of you who are experts in this sort of animation we rigged the characters breasts with nodes so they would bounce, and we're currently testing them with our alpha testers."
He didn't do any "boing boing" joke. -
11-13-2012, 04:50 PMMihana
Interesting read and I can see a number of your points, but I worry if this may be taken too far in the discussion. Granted I only went to Pg.3 before I chose to respond this whole discussion can go bad, very fast if it hasn't already. Anyway what I really wanted to say is I actually agree on the strangeness of their choice in questions to answer. Breast physics is (And I am a guy mind you.) really the last thing I thought they'd bother about adding to a game. I guess it adds to the realism a little depending on how they implement it (Please no "Baywatch" moments?) but not something I'd have expected, or thought they'd really bother on commenting on.
Breast physics? Hmm, yeah, okay, sounds cool... But I'd rather have more important information that confirmation we can shake those tops like a bowl of jello. -
11-13-2012, 05:18 PMValmonteor maybe we can put that development power, towards you know character animations like running, turning, strafing & dodging...its a sad day when boob physics take precedence over global animations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihana
although i can't get this image of the development team rounding up the ladies and asking them to jump up and down for awhile out of my head. -
11-13-2012, 05:21 PMAkujin
This is simple.
You want to play a game that is based upon fantasy and thus willing to bend the rules of what constitues as 'sexist' or some other such thing, you play WoW, GW, FF, etc
You want to play a game that resembles something closer to the real world and doesnt allow such things, go play second life.
Or, better yet, stop being nerds and arguing about stupid topics and go live your REAL life offline, where it belongs.
This shall forever be my preferred youtube link for such threads such as this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8
There is also one more thought to this - the FF brand is based out of Japan where the Japanese culture is the main influence on what is going to be seen in the game. While the player base stretches across numerous other countries and types of people, ultimately, its the japanese culture that's driving the game.
This sort of thing is what japanese people want, thus, this is what they're going to receive. If you're truly bent out of shape about it, then go find a NA based game with stricter designs. -
11-13-2012, 05:23 PMKallivisOk Mr./Ms. Final Fantasy XIV player who is taking time out of his or her day to post in a Final Fantasy forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akujin
Edit: Oh look, youtube. That's as jock as it gets, right? -
11-13-2012, 05:29 PMIngolfhttp://i946.photobucket.com/albums/a...ckGuySmile.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Akujin
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11-13-2012, 06:20 PMAkujin
Oh I'm a total nerd, I admit it.
So that video definatlly applies to me, no problem there.
Difference for me is that these topics are silly and meaningless. You really think or rather feel like a game is too sexist for you? I feel sorry for you. You're really worried about same sex marriage in a game, really? Would the idea that you couldnt have a guy on guy or girl on girl marriage really dictate whether or not you would play a video game? Does the flat tummies and fit bodies of the avatars make you feel somehow inadaquet as a person and insecure? Then your problems lay much deeper than within a video game. -
11-13-2012, 06:30 PMKallivisPlease, continue to evaluate our psychological conditions, Dr. Phil.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akujin
While I agree that some discussions are a little bit silly, Yoshida himself is seeking opinions on same-sex marriage.
The dev team also takes comments regarding characters seriously.
Your ability to dictate what's wrong with others simply because you lack the insecurity for dealing with it yourself does well to set you apart from other people, and not in a good way. -
11-13-2012, 06:41 PMAkujinI have zero insecurites young one, zero. I'm very comfortable in my own skin and do not seek to find some sort of comfortable alternative to myself online in any shape or form. Can you say the same? Perhaps. Does it really matter? Not in the least bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallivis
sex·ism
[sek-siz-uhm] Show IPA
noun
1.
attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
2.
discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, as in restricted job opportunities; especially, such discrimination directed against women.
In no way, shape or form, is the game discriminating against female players or the avatars that they represent by limiting them in what they are capable of accomplishing. What they choose to wear is entirely up to the player themselves, though the designs themselves may be more revealing on a female than a male, ultimately the player chooses what he or she wants to adorn themselves in. Not the dev team, not Yoshi himself. The original poster has mentioned that they didnt have issues with the swimsuits or the more open clad style clothing, so its not a clothing issue really, so what instead is the sexism focus coming on? The breast size/physic question that came into the Q&A, that's called making a mountian out of a molehill. So what, a couple of nerdy foreveralone guys decided it'd be funny to see the live letter address a silly topic and they won, good for them. Anyone who is offended and thinks that it has a deeper, darker, more sinister play on discrimination have their own personal issues to deal with. It has nothing to do with how the game is going to function. -
11-13-2012, 06:45 PMKallivisWanna know the funny thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Akujin
Brace yourself, behind your computer right now.
I'm not even talking about that, in fact that's the silly part I agreed with. You said it's silly to bring up these real world issues and acted like we're retarded for it.
Guess what you just did.
Yeah.
YEAH.
You did it. Good job.
My god how do people operate on a day to day basis. -
11-13-2012, 06:49 PMAkujinSo rather than answer the question with an intelligent counter response to explain what the validity of the sexism topic has to do with XIV and how its actually affecting anything in game or in the future of the game, you instead try to be snarky and sarcastic? You may have a small group of followers laughing at your witty responses, but you fail as a debater. Failed miserably.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kallivis
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11-13-2012, 06:51 PMKallivisI'm not trying to debate. You came into this thread bitching about other people debating about stupid topics. And now you're trying to debate about a stupid topic. How am I supposed to answer that? You are a maelstrom of hypocrisy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akujin