I remember what I said, but lets face facts, they removed four positionals. I did say four positionals. End of. I been saying that for a long time too, that they need to remove the positionals in favour of better mechanics to keep the job engaging. They are definitely on the right track. Crazy how devs can see obvious changes and make them, but you guys still whine on.Quote:
Originally Posted by ssunny2008
Still though, I don't think anything will change for you guys, they will only add to this. Not be sound rude or anything, but it is time to accept it or move on unfortunately. I get it sucks, but it is the reality.
BTW I'm not trolling. Just happy with the change. How cme you guys can have your opinion, but mines gets blasted. Not that I care, but you gotta keep that energy for square. I didn't make the change.
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12-05-2021, 11:48 PMNavnav
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12-05-2021, 11:54 PMShurrikhanExcept it was a minority opinion, judging by the Likes in response to the previous thread relative to those disagreeing with you, back then as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navnav
It's not an "obvious" change. It's an awkward and controversial one. If they wanted to make positionals less irritating, they'd merely need a leniency system. Having both positionals on the same form, even if needing to move only twice per Demolish, still carries half of the same problems as earlier. We can both have more to do and not be screwed over in more frenetic situations, it just requires a less lackluster solution than merely stripping out two-thirds of the positionals. -
12-06-2021, 12:25 AMTetsujinI think the DPS do all feel different but good lord the tanks and healers. I was excited to hear SGE healed by dealing damage, I expected the class to at least have a combo or damage rotation that consisted of more than 1 buttom spam, 1 DoT, but it came with a "standard healer kit" if you catch my drift.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolsykol
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12-06-2021, 04:08 AMAndy_T93Backing you entirely on this, I genuinely feel for those of you who feel that this change is a negative I know how awful it is when a class you love gets destroyed, I was all in on Ninja, in fact it was the only job I played then Shadowbringers destroyed it for me so I changed to Monk, fortunately for me I like these new Monk changes overall (of course they could be better) but it seems like you are only allowed to voice your opinion on here if you hate everythingQuote:
Originally Posted by Navnav
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12-06-2021, 04:19 AMssunny2008It´s one thing to like something, but it´s another to be like "Hahaha i called it hahaha!" or "I sympathize with you guys", but claiming in the same post "Whiny whiny."Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy_T93
I´m pretty sure nobody would say much about the Blitz-system if SE would´ve left the rest of MNK as it was before. But no, they wanted to get ride of 2 positionals and in fact, they deleted 4 of them and all oGCD´s for no reason and without any communication.
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12-06-2021, 04:39 AMKolsykolNot really, it's about how you voice your opinion and also the fact that a lot of people who do are incredibly uninformed and don't know how MNK works at all.Quote:
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12-06-2021, 05:09 AMNavnav
Hold up there fam, i know how monk works, it aint complicated bruv. We are not talking about rocket science, we are talking about a game. Calm down please.
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12-06-2021, 05:18 AMAndy_T93But here you are just assuming that you know better than other people because you have a different opinion there is no absolute you aren't an absolutely right and others aren't absolutely in fact it can be argued that the only true authority on this are the dev team and unfortunately their view of what they want the job to be differ from your own. And like I said I know that sucks soooooo much, honestly when they changed Monk Mudra's to the GCD so I couldn't weave them any longer I was gutted beyond belief it broke the speediness of the job for me. But ultimately I had to accept that what I wanted the job to be wasn't what the devs wanted it to be, So I packed up and moved on, Maybe try the same, and yeah Im aware thats not fair, it is however realityQuote:
Originally Posted by Kolsykol
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12-06-2021, 05:40 AMssunny2008Not her but seriously this guy don´t know how MNK really worked. And it´s not a great deal that SE changes classes to the worse again. Call it a subjective opinion, but even objectively seen it´s worse. You´ve less buttons to press, you´ve nothing to do outside your burstphases, you´ve no positionals to take care about and while SSS is still a cool tool, it´s situational. On top Anatman is still useless meanwhile RoE is still about 3 attacks (or 10s) as a def? And what about RoW? It´s another cd just to bring more DPS in the worst way ever. You just press it and it doesn´t matter what follows or if you align your burstskills with it. Just stay in bossrange.Quote:
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So far MNK lost everything what made MNK since the games release for something which is even less than what we´d before. And we only had positionals and 2 (3) oGCD´s left before.
And while it´s not enough, SE shows the middlefinger to any serious MNK main. They didn´t address the issues, they just got ride of it. Even ppl who´ve been like "Oh great GL is gone and we´ve a good base for Endwalker, let´s be excited" are now like "WTF!".
Fixing a class is one thing. But deleting pretty much everything for "nothing but a gauge" is another. And yes, my opinion, whoever thinks the current MNK is great, has either no skill or no gamesense... or both.
That some ppl celebrate SE for their lazyness in class design and ignorance against their own playerbase puts a big questionmark above my head. And yeah, with playerbase i mean those who actually care about gameplay and who play the endgame, not just jking on animations.
Imagine MNK would still have its 6 positionals, would you still enjoy it with Blitz? Or do you really think that players, who don´t play savage, should say a word against them, when they´ve been able to ignore them easily in dungeons? (Especially when they came up like "Positionals have no impact anyway."?!)
Obviously not based on your old claims and your new one at the SSS thread.Quote:
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12-06-2021, 06:20 AMItty
Also want to put my two cents in here, not being a super hardcore monk but 6.0 monk is very underwhelming and lacking any engagement. The blitz system reminds me of the ninja's mudra system and honestly, if we put back the 6 positionals back with the blitz system, it would force those who didn't understand and complained about the heavy postionals to understand and remember what skills are the flank and the rear. I thought with the blitz system it was gonna be busy and was open to the idea of the removal but now it's really a resident sleeper.
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12-06-2021, 06:32 AMSpeckledBurd
So having now played it up to level 87 I'll throw out some of my thoughts on it.
Once you get over the mild hurdle of wrapping your mind around Blitzes as the new mechanic, the lack of both 2/3's of our prior positionals and most of our oGCDs makes our downtime feel pretty empty. It isn't quite as empty as a Tank/Ninja since Monk still has one of the more involved weaponskill sequences, but it definitely feels lacking. Chakra being RNG still means that the drought periods feel all the drier when there's nothing else to use.
The lack of positionals also makes Riddle of Earth seem strange since it's a defensive cooldown that's used up with weaponskills executed rather than on a timer.
Many of our skills just lack impact, most damningly is many of the low level blitzes. IMO this is in large part because Tornado Kick and Elixir field were previously oGCDs that were used much more frequently and I can't break the association from them as that in my mind. When those skills go off, I'm desperately trying to go into my next GCD. Flint Strike is so understated that it barely feels like a finisher even though it's supposed to be one. Hilariously the low level Blitz that I think feels the most satisfying is Celestial revolution even though it's supposed to be the one we avoid.
Riddle of Wind might just be the skill with the least amount of feeling in the game. I'm sure there might be someone who gets a thrill out of autoattacks, but for all intents and purposes I don't even notice them so having a skill that makes them happen more often just doesn't feel like it does anything to me. The fact that it's on a 90 second cooldown so it naturally doesn't align with every other usage is baffling for a lot of reasons, especially because the devs stated goal was to get away from that this expansion. Let the job synergize for god's sake.
As for the Blitzes themselves, I think they're better conceptually than they are in execution. This is entirely because of the deliberate decision on the developers part to make it so we can't use our strongest Blitz in the opener and desynching that from our larger burst window (Meaning Riddle of Fire+Brotherhood). Current math puts forcibly aligning it by doing a double Rising Phoenix in the opener, which locks Elixir Field as the Blitz you're using on your weaker burst phase, then allows Phantom Rush>Rising Phoenix to happen on the strong burst window from the 120 second mark onward, but wasting a Nadi to do that doesn't feel good either.
On existing problems: Anatman is still just a bad skill, though it is now a slightly more important bad skill now that Twin Snakes is at 15% damage. Six Sided Star is still pretty lackluster for what should be a captsone skill. RNG Chakras still feel bad for all the reasons that are well documented at this point. Brotherhood causing Chakra overcap still feels bad for all that it occurs with less frequency due to our lack of oGCDs.
On a positive note: Thunderclap feels fantastic, and the ability to dive across the arena to another party member out of an AOE at the last second feels great when you do it. Rising Phoenix also feels great to use. I'm hoping that Phantom Rush will be similarly satisfying once I have it. Overall I think I do like this iteration Monk more than most of the previous iterations of the job other than Heavensward's iteration for all of HW Monk's flaws, even with all of the complaints I've listed above.
As for fixes here's what I'd suggest.
1. Return Monk's positionals and put the positional nullification effect back on Riddle of Earth. If you really want to take one let it be Leaden Bootshine since its disproportionate.
2. Modify Chakra generation so it builds at absurd levels at all time and give it a maximum cap of 10 rather than 5 (With Meditation only building to 5 out of combat). Since most our old oGCDs are now blitzes and that's unlikely to change due to the necessity of making new animations, let us just machine gun Forbidden Chakras at all times like how Stormblood Samurai machine gunned Shintens. Enhanced Brotherhood lets you open a chakra on every weaponskill while under the effects of Brotherhood, but instead how about Monk just opens a chakra on every weaponskill forever.
3. Modify Blitzes so that Monk's cooldown kit is internally consistent and Phantom Rush aligns with Riddle of Fire and Brotherhood in the opener and every two minutes thereafter. Give us a third stack of Perfect Balance, or perhaps make Anatman be an oGCD that grants a random Nadi if you have none or the opposite Nadi if you have one, similar to how Celestial Revolution works. I'm not sure how to make the timers line up but the devs can work that one out.
4. Riddle of Wind... I'm not sure. Maybe it could grant an additional effect called "Flurry Ready" or something which allows you to execute a Six Sided Star without the double GCD penalty.
There are fixes that can be made, the ideas here are better than the complete lack of imagination that has been the foundation for Monk's issues with the previous expansions, and it isn't the absolute travesty that Shadowbringers/Stormblood Monk was on their respective launches. However it still needs workshopping to get to a spot where it feels great to play instead of just fine to play. -
12-06-2021, 06:42 AMMonk101SE certainly did not add enough “better” mechanics to keep the job engaging though. Again I will compare it with Samurai which is the only other physical melee job I dipped my toe in. The current monk skillset is not even comparable to that of lvl 70 Samurai which has two secondary resources - Sen and Kenki to monitor at all time whereas Monk only has beast chakra that only needs to be managed during PB windows and a chakra system that requires almost no effort to manage so imo it doesn’t count. To make matter worse, monk has been stripped of 2 oGCDs so basically monks have nothing to keep them busy outside of burst windows. This is why many ppl on this forum said Masterful Blitz does not justify removing 4 positionals. Level 90 monk feels like an incomplete job that has a similar skillset of a level 70 job at the current state. All of these are non-issues if positionals are retained. However, if SE are to make such a drastic change to monk’s positionals, they should add more interesting mechanics to keep the job engaging, not leaving it half-baked like it is right now. My monk hotbars look hilariously empty right now which is so disheartening.Quote:
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12-06-2021, 07:07 AMArcadianGenesis
Monk life forever. It's all I've ever known. (Well, except for brief stints with Dragoon, Ninja, and Samurai. But I always end up going back to Monk.)
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12-06-2021, 07:23 AMMonk101I think all of these are great recommendations that will improve Monk gameplay drastically. On that note, I think generating chakra every weaponskill might be too much. I would make it so that every three weaponskills open one chakra or coeurl stance weaponskills open one chakra so that they become a mini finisher on their own which makes them more rewarding and dynamic.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd
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12-06-2021, 07:56 AMssunny2008I personally would really dislike to have chakra up to 10 points. It would force us to safe as much chakra as possible for our burstphase and i´m really not a fan to hold a gauge somewhere in between just to randomly unleash a skill at 9 points. We wouldn´t overcap, but overall it wouldn´t change much. 6 Points should be enough to get away with 90% of all overcaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd
On top they could add that even critical autoattacks could give us a point of chakra. It would procc more often and imo i like that bit of RNG more than static oGCD´s.
RoW should be revertet in FoW. Just give us 10% more movement speed and 10% more attack speed on top on our autohits. Combine the stance with a cool looking aura or something and i would be fine with it. Imo i don´t see the need of a 3rd active buff, which is nonsense anyway.
Otherwise if they would add chakraproccs on autoattacks, we would´ve different phases to go through. 100% burstphase with all cd´s, then the 60s RoF burstphase, then the 90s RoW chakra burstphase, and so on...
Maybe even change RoW from a 90s cd to an "active gauge - skill" like: You´ve used forbidden chakra 5 times, so you´re able to unleash RoW which grants 15s 30% faster autoattacks or just 500 skillspeed for some fast fun?! Or automatically chakra generation each second? I don´t know, i´m open for anything which is not the current button. -
12-06-2021, 09:04 AMNoraiga
EDIT: They actually manage to put Brotherhood in a good spot, even if overlapping is still a thing.
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12-06-2021, 09:12 AMDewslamYou're free to have an opinion. However, you're the one saying your opinion is right and that you are correct because you, as a non-monk player, like these changes and getting upset when people point out that no, you're just wrong and don't know anything about the class. Then rather than accepting ignorance you double down and try to shift the goalposts of your argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navnav
Not a single monk main I've met in game since the update, including those who were really excited for the changes, have come away happy about this. At best most people seem to be begrudgingly accepting it because they can't change it. As I've posted before in this very thread; monk lost a lot more than just four positionals (which was advertised as two positionals, mind) and in turn gained an awkward, clunky, mechanic that doesn't actually add anything to the class and is beholden entirely to the gcd. -
12-06-2021, 02:03 PMfurinh0
I'll add a different perspective on the positionals:
They actually make the job easier. MNK main challenge to me before EW was doing your rotation correctly and not them being positionals themselves. Which is itself not an issue on all other melee jobs because they have very linear and short combos, but MNK's rotation was not only non-linear, but very long. 18 GCDs, 4 different 1-2-3's that you had to perform in a specific order was not super easy to remember and perform correctly on actual fights, to put it mildly. But what helped was the positional requirements, they not only gave the job something to do between CDs and fit within the fantasy of being a pugilist/monk, but that dance, that rhythm itself helped with remembering where you were on that massive rotation, specially when solving mechanics or dodging AoEs. It was kinda of a mnemonic device. Now that positionals are gone, you just camp the flank for almost half of your rotation - since that is the most efficient way to play him, and I was getting lost a non insignificant amount of times because of it. If positionals are seriously off the table, could we get job gauge indicators for like everything? Having to search by buff bars for things like Disciplined Fists or Leaden Fist (both orange icons) among the current form I'm at, Riddle of Fire/Wind and potentially even Earth and 2 (!) different Brotherhood icons (both orange icons as well) alongside any party buff on a job with sub 2s GCD makes finding out which next button I should press in case I forget way harder than it needs to - if Ninja can get an entire UI element for a7060s attack speed buff, the 15s Disciplined Fists, Leaden Fists and maybe even the form I'm current at (the latter for flavor mostly) can get it too.
Beyond that I agree with everything said here. The job's progression is super static. You don't unlock anything that you'd be interacting consistently with after level 60. SSS and Anatman has very niche and super limited usages and everything else is damage boosts, extra stacks, long CD buffs (of which only 1 isn't a simple damage boost, but it's also on a 2min CD) and ability replacements/upgrades. The gameplay itself is also super static by the almost complete removal of oGCDs attacks and positionals. My suggestion here (alongside bringing all positionals back) is to use those lvl 80+ skills that right now exists simply to replace existing MBs, as oGCDs on a 60s CD that opens up each Nadi; it gives us oGCDs to use every once in a while (but not too much, as I assume that' something SE doesn't want to give us), it gives them interactions with the rest of our kit so they are not simply extra damage buttons, said interactions are new so the job/mechanical progression isn't as static AND it give us tools to use the big Blitz in the opener rather than having to wait for like 50s to do so. Oh, and maybe a 10s CD reduction on Perfect Balance. -
12-06-2021, 02:17 PMShurrikhanThis reminds me of the findings from a friend who tried out a PvP-combos-in-PvE addon. He loved the bar space saved, especially for AoE combos that don't really need to align with much or mutually exclusive button choices without any particular flow like Blizzard IV <-> Fire IV, but he quickly realized how much feedback the button-flows were giving him on the time until his CDs or even to upcoming boss mechanics and ended up performing worse for it.Quote:
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He did mention that even a "last action used" indicator and attack SFX being a bit more distinct from each other would probably mostly remedy the issues, but still, it's something we don't really notice the side-benefits of until we lose it. -
12-06-2021, 02:36 PMShurrikhanI feel like both the oGCD scarcity and the Riddle of Wind issue could be fixed by just buffing Riddle of Wind from 2x to 3x auto-attack speed (or have it also greatly increase AAs' crit chance) and having Chakra proc from all direct damage crits (or all crits altogether, if you want to encourage Demolish-spread, though likely still at a maximum of 1 per attack as not to superbuff AoEs).Quote:
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Additionally, have all positional bonuses except Bootshine increase crit chance. (Bootshine just gets a flat 40 bonus potency.) Voila, RoW naturally increases passive Chakra income and we've even more tangible feedback from our positionals. -
12-06-2021, 05:23 PMMikey_R
Some ideas I've had floating around, with Bootshine and Shadow of the Destroyer both being Auto-crits, why not make Opo-opo the 'Crit' form. Give an Auto-Crit to Dragon Kick, you can then generate more chakra between PB windows. Of course, we are still adding positionals back in.
This next one is still a new thought for me, but changing how PB works. One thing that I see might spring up is the weird timings of your buffs/debuffs when you want to PB, you need to make sure Disciplined Fist and Demolish aren't going to drop, so this could help mitigate that issue. When you activate PB, you get a new GCD for Opo-opo, Raptor and Coeurl, which has the benefits of both attacks from the standard rotation. By that I mean:
Opo-opo - Uses Leadon Fist to make it stronger, but also gives you the Leaden Fist buff. Then, of course with my earlier suggestion, it would auto-crit as well.
Raptor - High damage but also refreshes the Disciplined Fist buff.
Coeurl - High initial potency but also refreshes Demolish. Now, this could come with a change to Demolish. Rather than just straight up replacing the Demolish debuff, have Demolish be extended duration wise to a maximum, like how Shadow of Death on Reaper, or Surging Tempest on Warrior. Changing Demolish to work like this is probably the thing I'm not 100% certain of but I do think it would benefit.
Issues I can see are, when you do the blitz for all of the same form, you are spamming the same attack rather than having it be varied between 2. I also do not know how it would interact with AoE attacks, should the AoE attacks not be affected, or should these new GCDs be AoE attacks themselves, meaning the whole Masterful Blitz Window is AoE.
Just some idle musings from someone who has a brain that's way too active when trying to sleep, but I would like to hear thoughts. It might not fix all problems, but it might help alleviate some of the pains. -
12-06-2021, 05:54 PMShurrikhanI'd be okay with DK being how Bootshine gets its auto-crit (in place of Leaden Fist) if DK were moved to an earlier level, but I see no need to make DK itself auto-crit; feels like that'd just cheapen Bootshine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikey_R
Same story with the ST Raptor form skills. Why would I ever use Twin if True Strike also refreshed Disciplined Fist?
And the Coeurl ST skills. Why would I use Demolish more than once per fight if Snap Punch could also refresh it?
That's the whole point of the mechanic, though. It's what little skill ceiling remains and yes, it is absolutely manageable (and even offers varying optimal action paths depending on SkS and when you're likely to cap Chakra).Quote:
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12-06-2021, 06:02 PMMikey_RIt would only do it during the PB window, so outside it your GCDs would act as normal. Definitely one of the more controversial changes I proposed, mainly due to a lack to knowledge of how the buff/debuff windows happen in the 60 second windows and whether everything will actually line up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
As for the Auto Crit on Dragon Kick, it would still have to give the Leaden Fist Buff, however, something I just thought of, why not give Bootshine the ability to give a 'Leaden Kick' buff which powers up Dragon Kick. You need to have a reason to use both abilities which is why Leaden Fist exists in the first place. -
12-06-2021, 07:29 PMShurrikhanEven if only for the 3 GCDs at a time, that just seems to be watering down our actual choices for no good reason.Quote:
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12-06-2021, 09:52 PMWarlyx
imo the blitz system needs a CD reduction akin to NIN , 40s is a lot of time , w/o Ogcds u are u just doing the rotation for a lot of time....
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12-06-2021, 09:58 PMjerome15
i think not only should they bring positionals back, but they should even double down on them. make chakra granted by not just crits, but also by positionals, which would reward people for hitting them and that might even make people enjoy them more or even make them more tolerable for people not loving that style of gameplay. i didn't think monk could get any worse than it had from stb -> shb, but this version of monk is even worse. i hated shb monk, but the 5.4 changes actually made it tolerable (still gutted compared to stb), but then they actually managed to gut an already barebones kit. This version of monk should never have made it into the game. i think if this had been a new job people would probably be incredibly disappointed with the class, not sure why this would be acceptable of a class already in the game.
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12-07-2021, 12:39 AMWarlyx
monks need something , positionals or not , the Chakra system is passive , the blitz system is every 40s , u only use your 90 skill every 120s while u chain 2.0 skills attacks yawn......others job get a 1Min cd skill....that hits as hard (GNB one is just amazing 1200 pot and only 20 less aoe dmg?)
different jobs blablabala , monk has old animations , and now a boring rotation , hell our "CD" PB is just using the same buttons u have been pressing all the time ....not even new buttons
look at the reaper for example , it builds into soul gauge , to use a skill in order to enable powerfull attacks (positionals) and those build into a more powerfull attacks , tranformation with fast attacks all ending with a impressive ultimate attack...
drgs for 2 expansion have been graced with improved animations and now they get more...while monk is still using 2.0 attacks...gameplay > flashy yes , but why not both?
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12-07-2021, 01:43 AMKolsykol
Reaper actually feels very repetitive to me, the Soul Gauge system feels very '' looped '' for a lack of a better term.
Not saying it's bad, maybe it's just me not being a fan of gauges but I actually much prefer the Beast Chakras.
It should just happen more frequently imo, I feel like 40 sec feels too long especially with the removed positionals.
But yes the animations are a huge problem imo, going back and forth between Reapers it's the biggest issue I have currently.
Reaper feels so modern and MNK feels ancient.
Same animations since ARR, at least DRG has gotten most of them updated now. -
12-07-2021, 01:49 AMHappyHubris*Laughs in Reaper*Quote:
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12-07-2021, 02:00 AMMorzyBumping up Chakra pool to 10 charges sounds great, but I think adding a chakra for each weaponskill would be a bit overkill.. It would certainly fill the downtime that Monk has built up with 6.0 changes, but filler for the sake of filler may not be that enjoyable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd
I really don't see why SE cannot simply reintroduce Internal Release instead of keeping Riddle of Wind alive. It is blatantly obvious that ROW is a simple filler ability with a small DPS increase. I would say Anatman is better than ROW because it allows you to at least keep Twin Snakes buff if a boss jumps away and it would otherwise expire. -
12-07-2021, 02:00 AMWarlyxall the classes are "loops" , but how fun the loop is ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolsykol
in case of reaper is there are some tubular loops , some twisters...and a big drop ....
monk? is a huge straightfoward rail with some bumps on it...is like the rollercoaster for kids
1 -i dont think positionals are coming back ...Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd
2- yes more chakra so u can store it would be cool
3- Phantom Rush aligns with Riddle of Fire , that would make sense , and like i said having a cool 90 move only usable every 120s is a joke.
4- Riddle of wind should make monk have no GCD so u could spam your attacks as fast as u can....or at least GCD reduced to 1? that would make the job unique
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12-07-2021, 02:17 AMKolsykol
It's why I said that it '' feels '' looped.
There's also little to not adapting on Reaper if you're going away from the boss while on MNK you've got some timers to look at least and there's some variety and adaptation.
It kinda just feels like I am slashing with a Scythe without any direction, on MNK keeping up Twin Snakes and Demolish alone makes it feel like there is more of a direction and goal to it.
The goal on Reaper is to slash so that you can do red slashes.
And Beast Chakras add to that.
With Reaper it's basically just slash with Scythe until Gauge fills up then spend the Gauge.
I personally think that it makes for a very '' floaty '' feel.
It's the same with Ninki on NIN I am not rly a big fan of it.
Edit: Also I'd say that Reaper is easier, you still need to be more aware on MNK and it's easier for people to screw up.
Reaper is the one I'd describe as flashy rollercoaster for children.
Again I still like Reaper but it did disappoint me a bit by how repetitive it feels.
It's exciting the first minute or so but then you kinda just start feeling like you're just slashing away and it gets a bit boring.
With MNK I still do feel like I have more of a direction and like more is actually going on, even tho the downtime is boring.
Enshroud on Reaper is actually kinda meh imo too, it sure is flashy but being flashy can only carry for so long.
The flashiness wears off after a while.
If it gave us more to do then I don't think it'd be for the sake of filler.Quote:
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12-07-2021, 02:47 AMVentVanitas
One extra note about Blitz now that I have it at a higher level: both Elixir Field and Rising Phoenix being circular AoEs can be very frustrating to play around in movement intensive fights. Get an unlucky tick as the boss jumps away or if you're knocked back? You're not getting that Nadi. This feels like an unnecessarily punishing oversight by having MNK be able to miss some of its biggest potency attacks and having to delay it for those specific cases so you don't waste them feels awful.
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12-07-2021, 07:26 AMssunny2008This is something which needs a change immediately. Just had this happen 10 mins ago at the endboss in Orbonne. It might be somehow different in more static runs, but imo it´s just a bad design choice.Quote:
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12-07-2021, 08:33 AMKolsykol
Anyone else at 88+ agrees that Brotherhood feels weird?
There is a big delay before you get your Chakra you don't even have time to throw your Forbidden Chakra out before the next attack you need to '' clip '' it and essentially waste one unless you want to clip your gcd...
I think maybe this is because the damage actually registers a while after you press the button but I don't feel like it's this bad when you crit normally.
But for some reason when I pop Brotherhood I don't even get the Chakra until I am like two thirds through the gcd so there's just not enough time to weave it in.
It feels unintended and extremely clunky.
Edit: I hit the dummy for a while and Dragon Kick and Demolish especially feels like the worst offender, you should get the Chakra right away.
It just doesn't feel good to use imo Brotherhood at 88+ feels clunky.
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12-07-2021, 11:34 AMShurrikhanI think that's preferable to having to target the central mob in an AoE stack, though, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by VentVanitas
I'd rather they stay radial AoEs and just guarantee the generated Lunar/Solar. -
12-07-2021, 01:27 PMmelssecret
My husband mains monk and doesn't like these changes. Please revert them so he stops complaining about it.
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12-07-2021, 08:37 PMKolsykolComplaints on the forums, complaints at home.Quote:
Originally Posted by melssecret
Save MNK to save Melssecret. -
12-07-2021, 09:59 PMHappyHubrisAh, but they're not the JP forums...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolsykol
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12-07-2021, 10:01 PMMikey_R
I do wonder what the Japanese forums are saying about Monk, is it all doom and gloom there as well?