The great streamer Asmongold is joining FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

Depends on Endwalker -- but I would consider Shadowbringers like Wrath at the current moment.

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Rooting for the hometeam here that SE comes out with another good one. I do have my laundry list of complaints with ShB, many more with the new player experience, nervous as hell with the direction of healer design, but I am still having a really good time.

I'm not narrow! You're narrow! NYAH!

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

They dont need Asmondgold for PR. If anything its a good meme that Asmond made it clear that he wasn't interested in FFXIV, but not he's suddenly willing to try it. So...lol Welcome Asmond.

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Why didn't they answer Bellular or any other WoW content creator that been vocal on twitter about moving/trying out FF?

Ngl worried about Endwalker because their prime form of content they’re introducing seems to be Island Sanctuary....

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Ngl worried about Endwalker because their prime form of content they’re introducing seems to be Island Sanctuary....

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Yeah they been real quiet on other expansion features. We get 2 new jobs, the usual new zones and dungeons but what else?

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

They did reveal the new 8 man (Pandemonium), the 24 man (Myths of the Realm), and Thordan Ultimate coming in 6.1. They didn't really elaborate on them though... >x>

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So nothing new, same content with new bosses.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Yeah they been real quiet on other expansion features. We get 2 new jobs, the usual new zones and dungeons but what else?

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They always keep a few cards close to their chests to play at a later date to keep the hype train going. We'll know more in a couple months I'm sure.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Maybe I'm just getting old but didn't we know more about Shb 5 months pre release?

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Yeah, but we also had 2 Fanfests instead of one.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They always keep a few cards close to their chests to play at a later date to keep the hype train going. We'll know more in a couple months I'm sure.

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Maybe I'm just getting old but didn't we know more about Shb 5 months pre release?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Why would they?

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Did I ever say they should? Point is Asmond is one of the biggest streamers in our genre so seems to me SE had their eyes on him. How else would they known about his tweet?
It's free PR for them so why would they not take it. Bellular and Priest (only ones I heard of trying out or talking possitively about FF) didn't not get same type of response. That's pretty telling.

Geez you're either playing dumb or you're this dense not understanding such a simple thing.

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Originally Posted by WoW

I said Twitch. I didn't say instagram or Twitter. You know, you shouldn't rely on creating strawmen just to respond. Just admit you're jealous of him and be done with it.

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Why would I be jealous of a guy who lives with his mom and plays video games all day? (His words, not mine)
I used twitter and Instagram as other platforms with people who have Millions of Followers. And none of them, are special. But you seem to think have millions of Followers makes you special.

You love the guy and want me to feel like he's more then some guy who is no different then most of us.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Maybe I'm just getting old but didn't we know more about Shb 5 months pre release?

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Not especially. I think the media event was a couple months prior to launch? That gave us more. Fanfests have always just been basic announcements and jobs.

That, and a live letter closer to launch.

Don't over hype the game to anyone, let them play and gauge the game for him/herself.

My 2 cents ...

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Why didn't they answer Bellular or any other WoW content creator that been vocal on twitter about moving/trying out FF?

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Why would they?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Why would I be jealous of a guy who lives with his mom and plays video games all day? (His words, not mine)
I used twitter and Instagram as other platforms with people who have Millions of Followers. And none of them, are special. But you seem to think have millions of Followers makes you special.

You love the guy and want me to feel like he's more then some guy who is no different then most of us.

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Tbh, i don’t know much about him other than the obvious, but i personally think it’s quite ignorant to think he’s no different from the most of us. I don’t think most of us have a following of 1-2mil people and stream on a daily basis with said viewers. You can hate the guy all you want, but he is bringing something to the table. Whether it’s his viewer base, his personality, or his critiques for the game. There’s a reason SE commented on him. PR a majority of it.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Tbh, i don’t know much about him other than the obvious, but i personally think it’s quite ignorant to think he’s no different from the most of us. I don’t think most of us have a following of 1-2mil people and stream on a daily basis with said viewers. You can hate the guy all you want, but he is bringing something to the table. Whether it’s his viewer base, his personality, or his critiques for the game. There’s a reason SE commented on him. PR a majority of it.

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Stream Followers...Instagram, Twitter, Youtube Follows and subscriptions...dont make anybody special.
Getting a Tweet from a company, doesn't make you special. He is a guy like most of us that just plays videogames and talks about things.
Quite interesting that people think he's more then that and want me to believe he's more then just a guy .

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Yeah they been real quiet on other expansion features. We get 2 new jobs, the usual new zones and dungeons but what else?

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They did reveal the new 8 man (Pandemonium), the 24 man (Myths of the Realm), and Thordan Ultimate coming in 6.1. They didn't really elaborate on them though... >x>

Like him or not, he's one of the top people in the world at what he does... What exactly is your definition of "special" that doesnt encompass that?

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Stream Followers...Instagram, Twitter, Youtube Follows and subscriptions...dont make anybody special.
Getting a Tweet from a company, doesn't make you special. He is a guy like most of us that just plays videogames and talks about things.
Quite interesting that people think he's more then that and want me to believe he's more then just a guy .

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Well, i can easily say you’re wrong. All those things you mentioned are literally moneybags, and guess what the world revolves around...money. People with more money get the special treatment and have a wider audience/a louder voice. He’d be bringing money to 14, which is what SE cares about. So yea, to SE, he is much more than a lot of their random players.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

They did reveal the new 8 man (Pandemonium), the 24 man (Myths of the Realm), and Thordan Ultimate coming in 6.1. They didn't really elaborate on them though... >x>

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That’s all normal tho. Like that’s everything we expect. The only new thing was Island Sanctuary which... if that’s it. Pretty sad considering all the content we’ve lost so far.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

That’s all normal tho. Like that’s everything we expect. The only new thing was Island Sanctuary which... if that’s it. Pretty sad considering all the content we’ve lost so far.

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But like no expac really released a ton of new content in the sense that it's entirely unique to that expac they have the core content and the island sanctuary is just one of the bigger features so of course it'll be advertised the most. ShB had the ARR Revamp trusts and ishgard restoration as it's like primary fanfest points no need to start doomsaying when they're probably only working on 6.0 - 6.1 at most atm

Ig an addendum Stormblood was just core content plus swimming and ultimate which idk how popular of an announcement that was at the time but it's not like fanfests are giving us everything to begin with

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Well, i can easily say you’re wrong. All those things you mentioned are literally moneybags, and guess what the world revolves around...money. People with more money get the special treatment and have a wider audience/a louder voice. He’d be bringing money to 14, which is what SE cares about. So yea, to SE, he is much more than a lot of their random players.

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Ah, Is this about money now? Ok, got it.
Well feel free to treat him like a godking who will do so much good or bad for FFXIV.

Im still not gonna see him or view him as anything special beyond another guy who plays videogames. Because thats all he is.
I am rather curious how he will get through ARR and if he plays through and beyond HW.

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Originally Posted by Kiurai

But like no expac really released a ton of new content in the sense that it's entirely unique to that expac they have the core content and the island sanctuary is just one of the bigger features so of course it'll be advertised the most. ShB had the ARR Revamp trusts and ishgard restoration as it's like primary fanfest points no need to start doomsaying when they're probably only working on 6.0 - 6.1 at most atm

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SB released a fair good amount of things that were pretty unique at that point. Also had a bit more at fanfest than ShB has, and with the way ShB has been im just worried. People said the same thing before ShB and look what happened lol.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

SB released a fair good amount of things that were pretty unique at that point. Also had a bit more at fanfest than ShB has, and with the way ShB has been im just worried. People said the same thing before ShB and look what happened lol.

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Stormblood really only announced swimming and eureka though. What else was "unique", other than eureka (which everyone says they hated, except now, apparently everyone loved it.)

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Stormblood really only announced swimming and eureka though. What else was "unique", other than eureka (which everyone says they hated, except now, apparently everyone loved it.)

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Uhhh Ultimate?

I mean PotD, Hildibrand, Ultimate, Island Sanctuary alongside all the now core content releases has been confirmed to be coming in EW (not in fanfest but interviews preceding and following EW reveal and fanfest) They've announced a pretty full launch and first patch so personally I'm not seeing the worry so far. So far 6.1 will have the first alliance raid tier, Islands, DSW Ultimate, a dungeon and 6.0 final bosses ex not to mention savage prog for some people will still be active from 6.05 onwards

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Uhhh Ultimate?

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I mean sure, but I hear people say it's just recycled old bosses so.....

You'd be surprised how negative people can be about new content on the interweb.

Actually thinking back ultimates may have been announced in the 4.1 LL but I'll need to check

Regardless though, just seeing the downward trend from SB to ShB. I’m hoping EW somehow brings it back up and gives us the content back that we lost. I guess we’re still sticking to one dungeon per patch though :/ Weird to me how SB was able to give us so much content and still keep up with the 2 dungeons per patch but ShB couldn’t at all even with removing them.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Regardless though, just seeing the downward trend from SB to ShB. I’m hoping EW somehow brings it back up and gives us the content back that we lost. I guess we’re still sticking to one dungeon per patch though :/ Weird to me how SB was able to give us so much content and still keep up with the 2 dungeons per patch but ShB couldn’t at all even with removing them.

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We got extra large scale dungeons tho (24 and 48 man instances), bozja was eureka and a deep dungeon replacement for leveling.

The game has something like 80 dungeon instances. And everyone complains they are just hallway simulators. Have you noticed tho, that instead of dungeons, they've put that effort into story instances? Doing again what people asked. Rather than bog down dungeons with cutscenes, we got longer, more interesting solo encounters (in my mind at least)

Plus, the dungeon quality itself has gone up, even if they are more streamlined.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

We got extra large scale dungeons tho (24 and 48 man instances), bozja was eureka and a deep dungeon replacement for leveling.

The game has something like 80 dungeon instances. And everyone complains they are just hallway simulators. Have you noticed tho, that instead of dungeons, they've put that effort into story instances? Doing again what people asked. Rather than bog down dungeons with cutscenes, we got longer, more interesting solo encounters (in my mind at least)

Plus, the dungeon quality itself has gone up, even if they are more streamlined.

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We lost 9 bosses because no deep dungeon and then 9 bosses from the missing dungeons. I don’t think that makes up for the instances we got from bozja. For the deep dungeon, they didn’t even do anything special. They just made it sync so people could step into it at 70 and level. I could really care less about story instances considering they last about 10 minutes lol. But if people wanted that then i guess...seems like a bad trade off though. I disagree with the dungeon quality going up though. Base ShB dungeons were good, but the posts dungeons are horrible. Paglthan had a good cutscene while still being a somewhat engaging dungeon though. Honestly though, my only wish for Endwalker is that they give us back primal weapons for the new jobs. Gnb and Dnc getting none was horrible.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

We lost 9 bosses because no deep dungeon and then 9 bosses from the missing dungeons. I don’t think that makes up for the instances we got from bozja. For the deep dungeon, they didn’t even do anything special. They just made it sync so people could step into it at 70 and level. I could really care less about story instances considering they last about 10 minutes lol. But if people wanted that then i guess...seems like a bad trade off though. I disagree with the dungeon quality going up though. Base ShB dungeons were good, but the posts dungeons are horrible. Paglthan had a good cutscene while still being a somewhat engaging dungeon though. Honestly though, my only wish for Endwalker is that they give us back primal weapons for the new jobs. Gnb and Dnc getting none was horrible.

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And we gained Critical Engagements and Duels. Think there's more than 18 of those.

Someone on reddit did the math a while back, and ShB is not lacking in bosses compared to previous expansions, nor is it lacking in unique weapon models. I wish i could find it, but i'm not big into reddit so i didnt save the post.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

And we gained Critical Engagements and Duels. Think there's more than 18 of those.

Someone on reddit did the math a while back, and ShB is not lacking in bosses compared to previous expansions, nor is it lacking in unique weapon models. I wish i could find it, but i'm not big into reddit so i didnt save the post.

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Critical engagements are no different from NM’s in eureka tho lol. They’re just blocked off.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Critical engagements are no different from NM’s in eureka tho lol. They’re just blocked off.

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Well, theres at least 12 from the large scale instances in bozja, plus duels. an extra EX in memoria, plus the unreal trials.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Well, theres at least 12 from the large scale instances in bozja, plus duels. an extra EX in memoria, plus the unreal trials.

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We got two extra trials in SB. Yojimbo and rathalos ex. Unreal trials literally aren’t anything new. I would agree if they had at least done something to them whether it was a few new mechanics or what. But it’s literally just ARR trials scaled up... that isn’t new content. It’s like the relic quests just being to farm old content like crystal tower over and over. It’s boring and trying to rehash old content instead of coming up with something new.

ShB was just meh on job design wise and battle content wise, was great for crafting and gathering. So just a little disappointing in hindsight to SB, which overtime is being revalued and might surpass HW as the best xpac.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

We got two extra trials in SB. Yojimbo and rathalos ex. Unreal trials literally aren’t anything new. I would agree if they had at least done something to them whether it was a few new mechanics or what. But it’s literally just ARR trials scaled up... that isn’t new content. It’s like the relic quests just being to farm old content like crystal tower over and over. It’s boring and trying to rehash old content instead of coming up with something new.

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Then in that regard, eureka wasn't new. it was just fates. And HoH was just POTD with new pomanders (in your mind, it should be less content because its 100 less floors).

Rathalos was a crossover, and there wasn't an EX version for Gilgamesh.

Basically, we are arguing semantics and the content amounts were about equal.

There are only 2 more dungeons from 4.x than in 5.x. That's not vastly different.

No one cares.

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

Critical engagements are no different from NM’s in eureka tho lol. They’re just blocked off.

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Blocking them off is actually a pretty big difference, especially since there's a participation cap. I love the souped-up fate system in Bozja, and I'm really hoping we see further enhancements in Endwalker.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Blocking them off is actually a pretty big difference, especially since there's a participation cap. I love the souped-up fate system in Bozja, and I'm really hoping we see further enhancements in Endwalker.

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I dislike it tbh. It just blocks people out and the level requirements in things encourages kicking low levels from parties. I’m of the crowd that likes eureka more than bozja though so that probably makes sense :p

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

And we gained Critical Engagements and Duels. Think there's more than 18 of those.

Someone on reddit did the math a while back, and ShB is not lacking in bosses compared to previous expansions, nor is it lacking in unique weapon models. I wish i could find it, but i'm not big into reddit so i didnt save the post.

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We sure did and the relic experience is new and different and a lot of work and effort was put into those including the instance dungeons and raids there. I personally loved Eureka and Borja is also fun and different from the standard dungeon formats.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

The people who hope for a kick at how the GCBTW will react are not the people claiming that the community isn't toxic or that they want to gatekeep the oh so toxic WoW players from the game.

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That's what I said. They have bad intentions for the community and call the community toxic.

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Enjoying seeing people people who lie about the state of the community and who don't take any criticism of the game being faced with differing opinions, or worse, inconvenient truths about the game and its community and their reactions to their exposure to such vicious dissent, is not at all on the same level as basically saying "f off, we don't want you here you toxic pricks" towards an entire demographic while simultaneously claiming that XIV's playerbase is a paragon of acceptance.

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It's not on the same level. It's worse. Both sides are cynical, but one side also thinks some people are lying about their good experience.

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Originally Posted by Y2K21

Its not an overreaction to people enjoying the game -- stop with that. Its basically the meme of people flipping out when someone criticizes the game because of X, Y, Z. We saw this with a streamer in the past (Scottzone) who criticized Eden. Its fine to enjoy the game and love it: the GCBTW comes out when people take the fanatic route and avidly have to defend the game and claim all criticism as invalid.

Now -- suddenly, you have the largest MMO streamer on the platform coming to try out your game. A streamer whose persona is typically loudmouth, no bullshit, end-game focused in MMOs. A streamer who has an avid dislike towards RM cash shops. A streamer who has a rabid fanbase that is considered toxic and will follow him around in game.

We have the makings here for a beautiful powder keg.

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It is overreaction because the community at large is not praising people sending death threats. So who are you memeing on when you say GCBTW? The community is not the problem here.

On the other hand, when people share their good experience, people like to celebrate that experience until someone inevitably comes along to point out that the community is not so good and to know about GCBTW.

That's the problem with GCBTW. The community obviously favors good interactions, but people want to credit bad behaviors to the community as well.

And let's consider the fact that this particular streamer also has haters from the WoW community. So it's not as if dislike toward him (or what he may potentially bring to the community) is unique to FFXIV. After all, there is some overlap between the FFXIV and the WoW communities.

Regardless, people who favor him joining the community (or neutral at best) show that this community is not united in wanting to keep him away.