It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

for a second I thought this was a Titanmen's thread.

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Originally Posted by ArcaviusGreyashe

How dare you not have a robe as a healer ?

Seriously, let people glam what they want, and if that troubles you, just... don't look at them ? There have been bikini tankers and exhibitionists (thongs roegadyn, I'm looking at you boys) since the glamours were made a thing. You just want this to change because you don't want to see male hyurgoths in wedding dresses. And I understand how that might trouble you, but you don't know, maybe that dude in a wedding dress needs to dress like that to feel good, so maybe, just maybe, you're in the wrong there. Let people do what they want as long as it doesn't affect you on another level than "I don't like it".

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Yes, exactly. Let people do what they want. The option OP speaks of follows this mantra. It is those who are opposed to it that are opposed to letting people have choice and freedom. Again, forcing people to look upon you, vehemently opposed to them having an option not to do so.

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Originally Posted by 3c-33

Pretty nice troll thread here

You seemingly can't go five seconds without cycling through your random insult generator to make your arguments. "I don't want to look at [race] in [derogatory adjective] because it upsets me."

How is someone dressing the way they want forcing their expression on you? You don't have to look at it. Do you know how absurd and narcissistic it sounds to be so bothered by the way other people look that you feel the need to shield your eyes from the scary outside world over other peoples' existence? You are essentially saying that another person's self expression regardless of intention bothers you enough that you need a game feature to cover your eyes and hold your hand because you don't like something so HARMLESS. Appearance is not harmful as long as it's not representing something harmful, like hate organizations. The fact you get so offended by people that havent even spoken to you speaks volumes.

We're not just talking about "it doesn't affect them" and how it's "optional" anymore, we're talking about the fact you think someone's appearance warrants you to not only insult them, but gives you permission to pick and choose what you get to see on the basis of "I don't like it." would you really walk up to someone in game and tell them that you find their character/glamour ugly? I'd hope you wouldn't, and that doesn't mean you should come on here and do it either. You can hate on silly or ugly glamours as much as you want but insulting someone's character/appearance because of what they're wearing does not get much lower in terms of pettiness and narcissism.

I have my own fair share of glamours I don't like but never have I felt compelled to insult people for wearing them nor felt so entitled to anothers appearance that I wanted to change it for myself. The "be and let be" argument is a funny one to make in favor of this considering you're definitely not "being" by getting so worked up over a personal choice which everyone has the right to make.

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Lol, you calling someone narcissistic is rich. Let's be real here. Your side doesn't want people to have the OP's option to 'shield their eyes', because you want to be the center of attention. Is there anything more narcissistic and sad than prancing around in a ridiculous outfit screaming 'look at me', 'look at me.' I've seen people in the thread admit this. They can't bear the thought of not being the center of someone's focus.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

we already have an example of a game loading preset gear instead of the what's actually equipped/glamoured in FFXI as I previously mentioned.

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There was the setting for the PS2 version that didn't show armor, but that was because the PS2 couldn't handle loading all the gear. I think it only worked on PS2.

And that setting just showed everyone else in their underwear, it didn't replace the appearance of their gear with something else.

https://i.imgur.com/BcrGXWD.png

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

There was the setting for the PS2 version that didn't show armor, but that was because the PS2 couldn't handle loading all the gear. I think it only worked on PS2.

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It definitely still works on PC as of when I played it last night. And the fact that the gear it loaded was just underwear doesn't mean it's not loading preset gear since like how it works in XIV, that's still a bit of the model being loaded and not actually clothing being added/removed so it was replacing it with something else.

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Originally Posted by 3c-33

This is a hard question to answer, but I think part of it comes down to two things, one being that no matter what, there's always going to be people who mod their game, two being the mods already exist, so no use crying over spilt milk? Nothing to be done about it, I'm not exactly okay with my character being modified to look like something without my permission either, but whatever, I can't stop them.

I guess the main thing is we would prefer to limit who can change our appearance to a minimum rather than adding another official feature that will allow a larger group of people to do this, like PS4 users.And something about the official thing you said.

On that note I don't even know how prevalent the issue of that mod stuff is in the first place. I know there's probably some weirdos that would mod everyone to look like that or something but id hope otherwise that most people are sensible enough to keep it limited to their own characters rather than strangers. Again, idk how prevalent either of those things are, but yeah

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Thank you for responding.

I'm not going to be upset if SE never implements something like this, but I was feeling a bit frustrated when comparing the responses to this topic compared to the mod topic I linked earlier.

It felt like:

Player: "I'm uncomfortable that others can make my character look nsfw on their screens"
Community: "It's just pixels get over it"

Player: "I'd like to have other players appear unglamoured/in AF gear on my screen"
Community: "You have no right to change how my character looks!"

I'm on PS4 so I know I'm partied with people who can change my character appearance, see my dps and whatever else without me being able to to do anything about it. I guess I kind of liked the idea of getting a mod like option I could use too?

I'd prefer no mods frankly but it's not like that's at all enforceable.

If I'm doing a duty with other player characters using "lore-breaking"/absurd glams I just headcanon them as being comic relief characters or hippies in-lore.

I dont post often but here I go.
While I was finishing the Shadowbringers MSQ when it first came out, I remember being extremely immersed and excited when all my teammates spawned in wearing unglamoured 80 artifact gear for the final trial.
Fast forward to 5.1, first run of Grand Cosmos. My teammates were: a topless fem miqote, a hrothgar with only the subligar glamoured, and a jarring metallic purple frog suit.
Not that theres anything wrong with this, but if I were able to have a setting that made all players (including myself) wearing the artifact gear of the expansion, it would definitely add to the experience.
And the beauty of it being an option is, I can simply turn the setting off after I finish the story. Nobody else gets affected, and I get a satisfying experience with the story! I dont get why it being an option is causing so many people to lash out as if it was a personal attack on their glamour.

Can I have an option that changes everyone into Hyur Midlanders? That way I don't need to see Lalafells ruining my immersion? It's fine if they want to be Lalafells, I just don't want to them to ruin my experience.

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Originally Posted by DeltaCyan

I dont post often but here I go.
While I was finishing the Shadowbringers MSQ when it first came out, I remember being extremely immersed and excited when all my teammates spawned in wearing unglamoured 80 artifact gear for the final trial.
Fast forward to 5.1, first run of Grand Cosmos. My teammates were: a topless fem miqote, a hrothgar with only the subligar glamoured, and a jarring metallic purple frog suit.
Not that theres anything wrong with this, but if I were able to have a setting that made all players (including myself) wearing the artifact gear of the expansion, it would definitely add to the experience.
And the beauty of it being an option is, I can simply turn the setting off after I finish the story. Nobody else gets affected, and I get a satisfying experience with the story! I dont get why it being an option is causing so many people to lash out as if it was a personal attack on their glamour.

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This is because people want you to gawk upon their impeccable fashion sense. Basically, 'look at me, don't I have the greatest ensemble and color scheme on my outfit?' The thought of you bypassing that with this option seems to offend them, because they can't show off.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

Yes, exactly. Let people do what they want. The option OP speaks of follows this mantra. It is those who are opposed to it that are opposed to letting people have choice and freedom. Again, forcing people to look upon you, vehemently opposed to them having an option not to do so.

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Your rights end where mine begin. You can look away, blacklist, disagree, and hate it as much as you want, but implying that everyone must adhere to standards set by you is ridiculous. Since you know you can't stop people from doing something, you choose the next best thing in having it your way by putting yourself in your own little world where everyone fits your standard of how you think they should dress. I wouldn't even find this request that unreasonable if your reasoning was anything but "I don't want to look at people's disgusting glamours."

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

Lol, you calling someone narcissistic is rich. Let's be real here. Your side doesn't want people to have the OP's option to 'shield their eyes', because you want to be the center of attention. Is there anything more narcissistic and sad than prancing around in a ridiculous outfit screaming 'look at me', 'look at me.' I've seen people in the thread admit this. They can't bear the thought of not being the center of someone's focus.

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As I just stated, I use that word because you try to justify your cause with the reasoning of "I hate anyone who doesn't wear my pre-approved glamours." You expect the entire community to dress in a way that accomodate your needs. How is that not narcissism? Not only that, you automatically assume that every single person you don't even know that's dressing in thongs is doing so specifically to wave it in your face, andyou want se to implement a convoluted system that caters exactly to your specific preferences of anothers' appearance. You are asking someone to change someone's appearance for you since you can't. Last time I checked, the amount of people who actually do this is zero. It's not as if you have an entourage of frogs following you everywhere you go. Just look away.

You literally don't know me, you cannot possibly claim that I like to, as you say, "prance around saying look at me!" Because I like to be the center of attention. Everything you are saying is baseless accusations directed at people who don't even know you exist, because you have a victim complex.

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Originally Posted by 3c-33

Your rights end where mine begin. You can look away, blacklist, disagree, and hate it as much as you want, but implying that everyone must adhere to standards set by you is ridiculous. Since you know you can't stop people from doing something, you choose the next best thing in having it your way by putting yourself in your own little world where everyone fits your standard of how you think they should dress. I wouldn't even find this request that unreasonable if your reasoning was anything but "I don't want to look at people's disgusting glamours."



As I just stated, I use that word because you try to justify your cause with the reasoning of "I hate anyone who doesn't wear my pre-approved glamours." You expect the entire community to dress in a way that accomodate your needs. How is that not narcissism? Not only that, you automatically assume that every single person you don't even know that's dressing in thongs is doing so specifically to wave it in your face, andyou want se to implement a convoluted system that caters exactly to your specific preferences of anothers' appearance. You are asking someone to change someone's appearance for you since you can't. Last time I checked, the amount of people who actually do this is zero. It's not as if you have an entourage of frogs following you everywhere you go. Just look away.

You literally don't know me, you cannot possibly claim that I like to, as you say, "prance around saying look at me!" Because I like to be the center of attention. Everything you are saying is baseless accusations directed at people who don't even know you exist, because you have a victim complex.

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I did not state that everyone had to abide by my standards. I certainly do not expect people to dress in a way that coincides with my preferences. The option that OP proposes still lets you wear whatever you like. You are the one who is arguing against letting people have this choice. None of your rights are taken away with this; and you say I have the victim complex.

Please tell me then, what your reasoning is for not having this be an option? I've seen two reasons given. 'Don't want devs to devote resources to this that could be used for something else.' I find that argument reasonable. The other argument is 'you're infringing on my self-expression', which is just a flowery way of saying you want to show off and be the center of attention. There have been several admissions from people that they don't want this option to exist because it then means not everyone would be able to see their clothing choices.

People here are acting as if this is actually going to become a feature. It won't. End of story. Let's move on to arguing over something else now.

It's a bit baffling that people are bringing 'rights' into the argument. It's an incredibly deceptive argument and not even all that relevant - since nobody's rights are being infringed through the use of such a system. I'd suggest that those convinced of such reconsider their stance and priorities - it's not at all appropriate to equal an optional toggle in a video-game with the desecration of somebody's rights in the real world.

This option will never be a thing as long as SE is still making a ton of money from the mog-station.

Also what would be the answer to players wearing actual armor that's revealing? A leaf-player in the mid-40s could be wearing the Coliseum set, does that need to be deactivated as well? What about Emet-Selch and Urianger and their dresses? Who decides on what armor is "lore-appropriate" in a fictional world other than it's creators?

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's a bit baffling that people are bringing 'rights' into the argument. It's an incredibly deceptive argument and not even all that relevant - since nobody's rights are being infringed through the use of such a system. I'd suggest that those convinced of such reconsider their stance and priorities - it's not at all appropriate to equal an optional toggle in a video-game with the desecration of somebody's rights in the real world.

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And I don't understand the reason behind wanting an option to police others glamours. This feature would be an absolute waste of time. It's never going to be implemented anyways so why argue about it?

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

And I don't understand the reason behind wanting an option to police others glamours. This feature would be an absolute waste of time. It's never going to be implemented anyways so why argue about it?

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The reasons are varied and have been put forward throughout the thread. It isn't a case of policing what other people wear, since it isn't stopping anybody from wearing anything - it simply involves a toggle that would allow certain blacklisted items to not be displayed on somebody's screen. It doesn't affect the target in any way and there's a good chance they wouldn't even be aware that someone is making use of the feature unless they were explicitly told.

People can check my post history and see that I have been pushing for more options for glamour over the years. Yet more options also involves the ability to opt out of things as far as I'm concerned. It's the best compromise all around for such a feature to be incorporated.

Something I think there is to be considered by those championing the XI system: It was put in place because of the limits of the technology of the time. What the hardware could render/handle, from what I am seeing. It was not there because the developers were supporting the idea of limiting the creativity or expression of the players in the environment they had created and provided with the gear and systems they worked on. That is not the case in XIV. They do not have these limitations and thus there is no reason to put such systems in place EXCEPT to limit the creativity and expression of the players, something they obviously do not support, given how much time and effort they put into the gear, glamour items, glamour system, and mog station.

It's not really a logical request outside of 'I don't want to look at that'... which is fair, you can not like it. But asking the devs for a magic switch isn't really something I see them willing to do in this situation for all of the reasons already hashed out in the thread.

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Originally Posted by Arngrim_Greyashe

And I don't understand the reason behind wanting an option to police others glamours. This feature would be an absolute waste of time. It's never going to be implemented anyways so why argue about it?

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Oh maybe because this is a forum and people can discuss whatever the hell they want? Quit your gatekeeping.

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Originally Posted by DeltaCyan

I dont post often but here I go.
While I was finishing the Shadowbringers MSQ when it first came out, I remember being extremely immersed and excited when all my teammates spawned in wearing unglamoured 80 artifact gear for the final trial.
Fast forward to 5.1, first run of Grand Cosmos. My teammates were: a topless fem miqote, a hrothgar with only the subligar glamoured, and a jarring metallic purple frog suit.
Not that theres anything wrong with this, but if I were able to have a setting that made all players (including myself) wearing the artifact gear of the expansion, it would definitely add to the experience.
And the beauty of it being an option is, I can simply turn the setting off after I finish the story. Nobody else gets affected, and I get a satisfying experience with the story! I dont get why it being an option is causing so many people to lash out as if it was a personal attack on their glamour.

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Use trusts lmao.

I actually wouldn't mind a system where I can toggle people into their AF armor for duty finder. It is kind of gross to do content for the first time with a giant metallic frog or an obnoxiously sexualized character.

Ah, I was wondering why some of the responses to this thread were so volatile. A certain Twitter blog devoted to taking posts out of context and stirring up outrage decided to target this thread with the usual deceptive approach, essentially encouraging followers of the blog to brigade it as a consequence.

I urge everybody to be very cautious, since the FFXIV Twitter crowd has a portion of very volatile individuals who like to band together to harass and send death threats to those who dare to post something that they dislike.

Some people: "I'd like to be able to turn off glamours as some people make theirs immersion breaking, it'd be on my client's side so only I would see the change".
Some other people: "REEEEEEEEEE YOU'RE BEING ENTITLED! LOOK AT MY GLAM! LOOK - AT - MY - GLAMS!!! MUH RIGHTS!"

Who needs a chill pill again? ^_^

I only skimmed through this and I was a bit on the fence about it, not because I didn't think people should have the option if they so desired but because it would be a little sad that the personalisation aspect would be removed. With that said, if that's what's someone needed to enjoy the game then fair enough. People ask a lot when it comes to glamours, this seems like a fair request on the opposite side, and I understand that because, as someone who enjoys making and focusing on glamours, I realise and respect that people have varying tastes and I wouldn't want them to have their experience marred just because it might mean they don't see how my character actually looks. I can't imagine a more selfish thought than that.

How ardently some people have argued this has only rocketed me over to the side of supporting this. I can't begin to phrase how self centred and entitled it sounds to me to tell people to just effectively "deal with it" because everyone needs to see and appreciate their specific glamours.


As a side note, I admit I don't know the technicalities of this, but I honestly would have assumed such a feature would be client side, they'd just throw people into standard relic gear or similar and actually improve performance on the basis that they wouldn't need to retrieve each person's specific glamours with that setting enabled... but maybe I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by YellowCrystarium

Oh maybe because this is a forum and people can discuss whatever the hell they want? Quit your gatekeeping.

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Lol gatekeeping. Whatever man. You're all incessantly arguing over nothing. There's no discussion. Just argument.

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Originally Posted by Tsumdere

Use trusts lmao.

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I personally do use trusts the first time I run a story dungeon so I don't break the immersion of the dungeon or the story.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

I did not state that everyone had to abide by my standards. I certainly do not expect people to dress in a way that coincides with my preferences.

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It's a bit difficult for me to keep track of who said what here given the length of this thread but when you talk about people waving things in your faces and all the hyperbolic descriptions of people's revealing clothing and stating that as your reasoning, it begins to imply otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

The option that OP proposes still lets you wear whatever you like. You are the one who is arguing against letting people have this choice. None of your rights are taken away with this; and you say I have the victim complex.

Please tell me then, what your reasoning is for not having this be an option? I've seen two reasons given. 'Don't want devs to devote resources to this that could be used for something else.' I find that argument reasonable. The other argument is 'you're infringing on my self-expression', which is just a flowery way of saying you want to show off and be the center of attention. There have been several admissions from people that they don't want this option to exist because it then means not everyone would be able to see their clothing choices.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's a bit baffling that people are bringing 'rights' into the argument. It's an incredibly deceptive argument and not even all that relevant - since nobody's rights are being infringed through the use of such a system. I'd suggest that those convinced of such reconsider their stance and priorities - it's not at all appropriate to equal an optional toggle in a video-game with the desecration of somebody's rights in the real world.

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My issue arises when people frame this in a way where they go and insult other players for their appearance, call them gross while insisting everyone is out to get them by implying people actually run around rubbing it in when they don't. The actual concept in a vacuum of "I want everyone in AF gear as an option for me only in a dungeon" sounds far more reasonable than "I hate the way this person dresses so I feel I get to pick and choose how other people dress for me," which begins to follow bad trains of thought that happen in the real world.

I care far less about someone wanting to keep their immersion client side because they find frog suits jarring as opposed to someone thinking they're entitled to alter someone's appearance on the basis of judgemental insults which is where I begin to bring up the rights thing. I know I'm not going to alter my appearance irl on that basis the same way I'm not going to want to here either. You don't get to choose how other people appear to you just because you don't like it. That is what offends me.

So yeah, I can see why someone wanting this for their immersion is not a personal attack on their glamour. Not that I see why it's almost ever a big deal anyway. The biggest case of this is praetorium where you can literally get a giant moogle standing behind you during cutscenes, but come on, all the writing there is cringey anyway and there's bigger issues surrounding praetorium anyway, like the fact you're forced to sit through 45 minutes of cut scenes with other people. I don't think having said moogle actually pull the mobs in the dungeon is nearly as bad.

Now my reasons for not wanting it? Resources, self expression (it's not that deep), immersion breaking mismatched gear, it's already lore friendly (the path to rhalgrs reach literally has a giant boulder illusion in front of it to keep people out, and there's plenty of other areas where glamour is brought up in the msq.) People will work around it and run around in the glamour items themselves. Also, glamour is already a huge part of the game, not only is there glamour on the mogstation, but it would render making literally any of the armor in this game pointless. Why design an entirely new look for new dungeon gear if it's always gonna look like the AF gear anyway? Why create mogstation glamour if it's not getting used? It's backpeddaling.

Again, I think if we cant have a toggle like this, than you shouldn't be able to block any sort of communication except by blacklisting somebody. Bards and limsa socialites should be free to express themselves as well, right?

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Originally Posted by 3c-33

It's a bit difficult for me to keep track of who said what here given the length of this thread but when you talk about people waving things in your faces and all the hyperbolic descriptions of people's revealing clothing and stating that as your reasoning, it begins to imply otherwise.





My issue arises when people frame this in a way where they go and insult other players for their appearance, call them gross while insisting everyone is out to get them by implying people actually run around rubbing it in when they don't. The actual concept in a vacuum of "I want everyone in AF gear as an option for me only in a dungeon" sounds far more reasonable than "I hate the way this person dresses so I feel I get to pick and choose how other people dress for me," which begins to follow bad trains of thought that happen in the real world.

I care far less about someone wanting to keep their immersion client side because they find frog suits jarring as opposed to someone thinking they're entitled to alter someone's appearance on the basis of judgemental insults which is where I begin to bring up the rights thing. I know I'm not going to alter my appearance irl on that basis the same way I'm not going to want to here either. You don't get to choose how other people appear to you just because you don't like it. That is what offends me.

So yeah, I can see why someone wanting this for their immersion is not a personal attack on their glamour. Not that I see why it's almost ever a big deal anyway. The biggest case of this is praetorium where you can literally get a giant moogle standing behind you during cutscenes, but come on, all the writing there is cringey anyway and there's bigger issues surrounding praetorium anyway, like the fact you're forced to sit through 45 minutes of cut scenes with other people. I don't think having said moogle actually pull the mobs in the dungeon is nearly as bad.

Now my reasons for not wanting it? Resources, self expression (it's not that deep), immersion breaking mismatched gear, it's already lore friendly (the path to rhalgrs reach literally has a giant boulder illusion in front of it to keep people out, and there's plenty of other areas where glamour is brought up in the msq.) People will work around it and run around in the glamour items themselves. Also, glamour is already a huge part of the game, not only is there glamour on the mogstation, but it would render making literally any of the armor in this game pointless. Why design an entirely new look for new dungeon gear if it's always gonna look like the AF gear anyway? Why create mogstation glamour if it's not getting used? It's backpeddaling.

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You'll still see that same mogstation gear on yourself. Why does it matter to you if other people see it? Your desire for people to see your self-expression and have no choice but to see it, how is that not attention seeking? Also, you keep trying to frame it as if we would be forcing you to wear different clothing, when we would not. You would still be in the same outfit on your screen and would not even know if someone had toggled the option on for you. No one is forcing anything upon you.

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Originally Posted by Fawkes

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Like the other poster said, there is an option in the PC version of XI that let's you toggle between dynamic/static appearance of player characters. This puts ALL PCs, including your own, into the appropriate starting race gear. You are right that's it does seem to be an option to boost performance of the game.

A similar option in this game would likely have a similar effect of increased or more stable fps.

I'd probably not use such an option but don't see the problem with it as well.

From a programming perspective, you are asking for development resources to produce a change that will satisfy everyone: don't want to see other people's glamour? Great, use our default! Forever.

It could be as simple as toggling a switch on or off, I suppose, provided that there was a single glamour for everyone as the default, perhaps the original clothing you wore when you started the game. Of course, it should apply to everyone, including the person flipping the switch. The entire world, wearing the same starting gear, with the default weapon. That would be pretty easy to program, right?

Asking for anything more than this most basic change would require more development resources than I think SE would be willing to pay for -- especially since they're still working through gear appearances on the two new character races.

<<sarcasm>>Since we appear to be asking for simple toggles for visuals in this game, I would like a toggle to turn every character I meet into a male Miqo'te. No more Viera or Hrothgar to bother me with their lack of hair styles. No more female Lallafel images on my screen.<<end sarcasm>>

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

From a programming perspective, you are asking for development resources to produce a change that will satisfy everyone: don't want to see other people's glamour? Great, use our default! Forever.

It could be as simple as toggling a switch on or off, I suppose, provided that there was a single glamour for everyone as the default, perhaps the original clothing you wore when you started the game. Of course, it should apply to everyone, including the person flipping the switch. The entire world, wearing the same starting gear, with the default weapon. That would be pretty easy to program, right?

Asking for anything more than this most basic change would require more development resources than I think SE would be willing to pay for -- especially since they're still working through gear appearances on the two new character races.

<<sarcasm>>Since we appear to be asking for simple toggles for visuals in this game, I would like a toggle to turn every character I meet into a male Miqo'te. No more Viera or Hrothgar to bother me with their lack of hair styles. No more female Lallafel images on my screen.<<end sarcasm>>

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Yeah, but male Miqo'te are literally the worst race though.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

You'll still see that same mogstation gear on yourself. Why does it matter to you if other people see it? Your desire for people to see your self-expression and have no choice but to see it, how is that not attention seeking? Also, you keep trying to frame it as if we would be forcing you to wear different clothing, when we would not. You would still be in the same outfit on your screen and would not even know if someone had toggled the option on for you. No one is forcing anything upon you.

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Maybe it doesn't matter. But wanting to at the very least be seen the way I present myself is not attention seeking, it is how I prefer to be seen, rather than something I didn't choose. You don't have to look at me at all. But if you are going to, I still prefer you see what I see, which isn't all that unreasonable as something to want and is a common sentiment people share. If that makes me selfish, I don't really mind, especially not when my outfits are rarely immersion breaking anyway.

And I'm just saying that looking at it from square enix's standpoint, I don't see why they would make glamour a big thing and then make an anti glamour system that defeats the purpose of it even if only for select people, ideally you want your concept to be good enough that you don't want people getting rid of it. But then you could say that about anything, like muting bard performance, so I'm not really getting anywhere with this.

Nothing says “lore-friendly” like mismatched armor, which you’d probably be seeing a lot of!

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Originally Posted by 3c-33

But then you could say that about anything, like muting bard performance, so I'm not really getting anywhere with this.

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Bard performance is audible and can be heard in all directions whether you like it or not. Glamour on the other hand is sight. You can choose to not to look at something, just move your eyes. While you can't choose to not hear something with your ears.

The toggle option should just be putting a blindfold on your character to completely blacken your screen, now the OP won't be able to see anyone's glamour and it would work in the same vein as putting earplugs in for muting Bard performance. It doesn't break lore and solves everyone's problems!

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Originally Posted by AcaciaTyrannia

Tanks should wear plate, healers should wear robes, and no one should be in a fight seriously wearing carbuncle slippers and lingerie.

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I don't really want to read all 20 something pages of this thread to find out if someone already said this but.... There are unglamoured pieces of tank gear that aren't plate, and many times people won't wear consistent gear sets making them look alright, which makes them look mis-matched and awful. Will you complain then when people wear gear like that despite it being what they need to for that tier/dungeon? Because it sounds like you might.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

Like the other poster said, there is an option in the PC version of XI that let's you toggle between dynamic/static appearance of player characters. This puts ALL PCs, including your own, into the appropriate starting race gear. You are right that's it does seem to be an option to boost performance of the game.

A similar option in this game would likely have a similar effect of increased or more stable fps.

I'd probably not use such an option but don't see the problem with it as well.

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Yes. My confusion was because it was originally a PS2-only command that displayed characters with no gear, but it was changed and now it displays characters in the starting gear on the PC version, and I didn't know that part. My bad.

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I personally do use trusts the first time I run a story dungeon so I don't break the immersion of the dungeon or the story.

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As do I and I'm planning to do it for every dungeon in the future. It's a legit response that solves a huge portion of the "problem" people have with other people's clothes.

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Originally Posted by SonKevin

Yeah, but male Miqo'te are literally the worst race though.

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Finally, someone who has sense and facts around here.

10/10 bait thread. Maximum amount of legal catches reached. Gotta start releasing them now OP.

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If they did that...Then what would be the point of glamours? Like really lol