Confessions of a Toxic Elitist

Eh, some people don't care how foolish they look, as long as the attention is on them (it's so sad.)

Lololololol Regen aggro lololololol

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

I'd rather just akaneakki stop bringing it up like they were obsessed with me. I never suggested it was the way one-and-only way one should heal. I've only stated that it was the way I was playing, because that was how I played 2.0 content, and in 2.0 content regen on trash just turned you into the tank when you had a weak tank.

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Hun, the only one who continues to drag about this dead horse is you. This thread had more or less died down, but you felt the need to return to it and start things up again days later. Why is that? If you want something to die, then mayhaps stop replying to posts about it? Or reviving topics that had, more or less, deviated from the “dead chocobo” you so wish would die?

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

akaneakki will just keep bumping the thread, because that's what they did before.

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I highly doubt they care that much. The one who brought this back 4 days later was you.

Your post, Today at 05:25AM CST:

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

No, they aren't, because we aren't playing 3.0, or 2.0, or even 1.0. Yet someone felt that by bringing up an argument from before 4.x that they didn't win, somehow would make them win it now? Who cares.

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But...akaneakki was the one bumping this thread??? Hmmm.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

You get exactly as much respect back as you give.

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That you do. Mayhaps it would do well for you to also keep that in mind.

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If you don't like what I have to say, use the ignore feature and kindly stop being rude to everyone.

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And take your own advice, as well.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

I have not been "corrected",.

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You look even worse posting those lodestone infos. Let me correct you
in 4.01 The emnity from tank classes went up, because they were no where close to being fined tuned. Most people even noticed, hence the change. This is when people was lvl 70, so obviously there was some miss calculation after launch?.
2.4. Overpower was simply way better than flash back then, again nothing to do with not wanting to use regen. I used it back then and had no issue.
2.1? Yeah how long is that compare to last year? You even said it in your post, there was even a buff coming out in 2.4 for PLD, but yet you gonna go around tell people that regen is bad like 1 year and half later after that PLD patch came out. Do you even know how silly you went when you posted this? This makes your arguement even less valid.

since words dont come through, let the gif talk once again
https://media.giphy.com/media/p8Uw3hzdAE2dO/giphy.gif

Lol at thinking the emnity increases had anything to do with healer aggro, as opposed to, y'know, DPS effortlessly ripping mobs off of tanks if they were ever so slightly overgeared in comparison in >50 content (especially endgame) due to the changes in damage formulae.

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Originally Posted by Miste

The spell that had issues in early 2.0 was Medica II which was adjusted very quickly in patch 2.1 which was the first major patch after launch; it used to last 15 seconds and the regen potency was double. Now it is 30 seconds and halved potency.

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"Medica II Potency of the regen effect has been reduced from 100 to 50, and the duration has been increased from 15 to 30 seconds."

Source: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...7af43f3c43828a

After this adjustment no spells that have a regen effect were an issue unless they were used incorrectly as in using Medica II on pull or tanks not using proper combos to generate proper hate. (Even before the adjustment Medica II hate was manageable...just a bit too powerful especially with inexperienced WHMs casting it too often, it was more a improper usage than it being completely unmanageable)

The spell Regen by itself never had an issue with hate unless used before a tank pulling multiple enemies or if a tank neglected to use enmity abilities...which would cause almost anything to pull hate off them.

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I will cede that regen argument to you then, and you alone.

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Originally Posted by Miste

I can keep going if you want to explain every endgame fight where Regen is integral to WHM game play, but I don't really want to waste my time. If you want me to go over every fight from 2.0 to now where WHMs needed to use Regen in order to save MP and heal easier and more efficiently then I'll do it, but don't ask unless you actually plan to listen.

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No you don't have to. This is the exact post where I got the bad advice from:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1175112

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

No you don't have to. This is the exact post where I got the bad advice from:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1175112

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Think they were talking about the pre-regen on tank before pulling trash. Which is annoying af when it happens.

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Originally Posted by Lilseph

Think they were talking about the pre-regen on tank before pulling trash. Which is annoying af when it happens.

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Even that's not much of an issue. Just run alongside the tank.

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

Even that's not much of an issue. Just run alongside the tank.

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Logical and it fixes it, but it's a problem when the healer stutters behind for no reason. As a healer, I do exactly what you say if I mistime my shields (applying them as they pull). Gotta adapt to the tank's pace. (Or at least I do that)

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

No you don't have to. This is the exact post where I got the bad advice from:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1175112

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That post in question is talking about pre-casting Regen before the tank has established enmity on a pack of mobs. Nowhere in that post is it insinuating that you should never use Regen because you’ll rip hate from the tank. Basic reading comprehension.

I’ll break it down for you:

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Originally Posted by Alkimi

For later on, try not to cast Regen on the tank before or during a pull. It works strangely in this game in that every tick of Regen generates enmity towards the WHM, so if a tank uses a ranged attack to pull a bunch of mobs you'll notice them all immediately lose interest and head your way.

Once the tank has used Flash or similar AoE ability it's fine.

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Casting Regen “before or during a pull” — i.e., when the tank is gathering the packs of mobs via ShieldLob+Flash, Unmend+Unleash/Abyssal Drain, or Tomahawk+Overpower. > “if a tank uses a ranged attack [Shield Lob or Tomahawk, since we’re talking 2.x here] to pull a bunch of mobs you’ll notice them all immediately lose interest and head your way.”

>> Regen ticks every 3 seconds and all healing spells generate a base amount of enmity depending on:
1. What amount they heal for (e.g., 3,000 HP).
2. If they are an overheal or not—overhealing generates 1.5x the enmity of non-overheals

So, if Regen were to tick before the tank managed to establish aggro on the pack, they’re going to flock to the healer, naturally. Hence they “you’ll notice them all immediately lost interest and head your way” explanation.

“Once the tank has used Flash or similar AOE ability it’s fine” — i.e., it’s fine to use Regen once the tank has finished pulling (if doing chain pulls) and established enmity on the pack of mobs via Flash, Circle of Scorn, Overpower, Unleash, Abyssal Drain, etc..

Nowhere in there does it say “Never use Regen ever because you will rip hate from the tank”. The advice in an of itself is not bad; it’s actually quite good and correct. But you misinterpreted it.

Again, basic reading comprehension.

I'm like 99% sure that there's no difference between healing and overhealing, ie you generate the same enmity on a 10k heal whether it's 100% overheal or is completely used to restore health, but it's been a long time since I've actually had to care about the minutiae of healer enmity because it is such a non-issue these days.

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Originally Posted by IttyBitty

I'm like 99% sure that there's no difference between healing and overhealing, ie you generate the same enmity on a 10k heal whether it's 100% overheal or is completely used to restore health, but it's been a long time since I've actually had to care about the minutiae of healer enmity because it is such a non-issue these days.

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Regular heals generate 1.0x enmity, but overheals are 1.5x enmity generation. Generally, if your tank is paying attention, overhealing isn’t a big deal except in fights where boss aggro resets often (like V4S; WHM aggro so real in there after the Grand Crosses). Then you will want your healers to be careful about their overheal. Generally, though, you want to keep it to a minimum, since overheals are wastes anyways.

Overhealing and effective healing generate the same amount of hate. 1HP healed = 0.5 enmity.

A 10K heal generate 5K hate.
A 10K overheal that effectively heals for 0 will generates 5K hate.
A 10K heal that has 5K overheal and 5K effective heal will generate 5K hate.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

Overhealing and effective healing generate the same amount of hate. 1HP healed = 0.5 enmity.

A 10K heal generate 5K hate.
A 10K overheal that effectively heals for 0 will generates 5K hate.
A 10K heal that has 5K overheal and 5K effective heal will generate 5K hate.

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Yes, this is exactly how I remembered it being.

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Originally Posted by Zojha

I'd like to note however that random parses are little more than a very, very broad hint.

I personally don't upload any logs and when I look myself up on my "main" (if you can call it that), I can score anywhere between the 99th percentile (lol Void Ark) to the 17th percentile (Cruise Chaser Savage). Other parses are scattered seemingly at random between those extremes.

That's not useful at all, neither for self-improvement nor for simply gauging where I stand. In order to make the parses useful, you first need to create a controlled environment, because a lot of factors beyond skill go into the raw DPS number, especially gear and comp. Well, or you just look at potency per second or something, but I'm not sure if FFlogs has that function anywhere. I couldn't find it at least.

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The percentiles are certainly far from useful except in telling you what percentage of parses fell above or below you... which is itself hardly relevant. Heck, it seems a lot of people confuse their, say, 75% parse for their doing 75% of the highest parse for their class on the given encounter rather than merely above 74.9% of other players who've logged their parses.

It's why I've always insisted on, if an official parser were ever to be added, a relative potency metric by default, or at least as an obvious option, such that the effect of gear is at least greatly diminished and the RNG-based swing is omitted.

Once I'm near BiS, the percentiles are nice for signalling how much further yet I can push things, especially if able to influence the composition and encounter strategies, but until then -- and for the most part at any time -- the timelogs have always been my area of focus.