Requesting Information on Jobs: Preparing for 1.21

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Originally Posted by Jinko

If the gear is soloable them I will be disappointed.

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Me too, since jobs are all about playing together in a party I want party play for getting the gear!

We will know next week...

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Job-specific gear will feature stats that are better than gear that is craftable that have more than one materia attached. With that said, we will look into adding new gear in future patches that will have better stats than job- specific gear with multiple materia attached to them.

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Huh?! Rukkirii can you please clear this up it was written kind of funny. do you mean Crafted + 1 materia < JSE. Crafted + 2 materia > JSE (or will be later?)

I was able to sneak a peek at the documents regarding the upcoming job system announcement coming next week and I smuggled out a lil' morsel that you might be interested in. I figure, if you all knew what classes were required for each job, you could set a goal to raise them up over the weekend (if you're like Camate who was all "omg Bayohne, help me level up my lancer tomorrow!"...).

Take a gander at the requirements to begin the quests to unlock the jobs... (don't tell Yoshi-P I showed you!) ;)

<table width="450" border="0" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1" align="center" class="ta01"><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="th01"><td width="30%" bgcolor="#f5cca2" class="th01">Job Name</td><td width="70%" bgcolor="#f5cca2" class="th01">Requirements</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f8dfc5">Paladin</td><td bgcolor="#f6efe5" align="left">Gladiator lvl 30+, Conjurer lvl 15+</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td02"><td bgcolor="#f8dfc5">Monk</td><td bgcolor="#fffaf3" align="left">Pugilist lvl 30+, Lancer lvl 15+</td></tr></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f8dfc5">Warrior</td><td bgcolor="#f6efe5" align="left">Marauder lvl 30+, Gladiator lvl 15+</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td02"><td bgcolor="#f8dfc5">Dragoon</td><td bgcolor="#fffaf3" align="left">Lancer lvl 30+, Pugilist lvl 15+</td></tr></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f8dfc5">Bard</td><td bgcolor="#f6efe5" align="left">Archer lvl 30+, Conjurer lvl 15+</td></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td02"><td bgcolor="#f8dfc5">White Mage</td><td bgcolor="#fffaf3" align="left">Conjurer lvl 30+, Gladiator lvl 15+</td></tr></tr><tr valign="middle" align="center" class="td01"><td bgcolor="#f8dfc5">Black Mage</td><td bgcolor="#f6efe5" align="left">Thaumaturge lvl 30+, Pugilist lvl 15+</td></tr></table>

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I was able to sneak a peek at the documents regarding the upcoming job system announcement coming next week and I smuggled out a lil' morsel that you might be interested in. I figure, if you all knew what classes were required for each job, you could set a goal to raise them up over the weekend (if you're like Camate who was all "omg Bayohne, help me level up my lancer tomorrow!"...).

Take a gander at the requirements to begin the quests to unlock the jobs... (don't tell Yoshi-P I showed you!) ;)

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Thanks very much for the update. Always nice to get info like this.

Have to admit though, some of those reqs don't make sense to me. Oh well, I have all the reqs already anyway.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I was able to sneak a peek at the documents regarding the upcoming job system announcement coming next week and I smuggled out a lil' morsel that you might be interested in. I figure, if you all knew what classes were required for each job, you could set a goal to raise them up over the weekend (if you're like Camate who was all "omg Bayohne, help me level up my lancer tomorrow!"...).

Take a gander at the requirements to begin the quests to unlock the jobs... (don't tell Yoshi-P I showed you!) ;)

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Thanks so much for this, Bayohne!

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I was able to sneak a peek at the documents regarding the upcoming job system announcement coming next week and I smuggled out a lil' morsel that you might be interested in.

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So its Official, Now everyone can stop speculating of a delay!! Gawd! :D Glad my DRG Reqs are all done =)

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I was able to sneak a peek at the documents regarding the upcoming job system announcement coming next week and I smuggled out a lil' morsel that you might be interested in. I figure, if you all knew what classes were required for each job, you could set a goal to raise them up over the weekend (if you're like Camate who was all "omg Bayohne, help me level up my lancer tomorrow!"...).

Take a gander at the requirements to begin the quests to unlock the jobs... (don't tell Yoshi-P I showed you!) ;)

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You're secret's safe with me, Bayohne!

Thanks for the info. Now I know I'm ready, what with all my battle classes at 50.

So after talking to some LS friends I ran into some confusion about the new jobs, they say that the job stone will act more like a title? Say you're a lvl 50 GLD and you go PLD, do you start over over or do you have all your lvl 50 GLD stats and can just flythrough the PLD quest line? I was anticipating this patch was a whole lot of new content but if the later is the case I see all the people with all DoW/DoM @50 breezing through the content in less then a week? And for say someone with a GLD/MRD @30 switching to PLD does this mean I still have to lvl GLD to 50 for the stats/skills anyways?

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I was able to sneak a peek at the documents regarding the upcoming job system announcement coming next week and I smuggled out a lil' morsel that you might be interested in. I figure, if you all knew what classes were required for each job, you could set a goal to raise them up over the weekend (if you're like Camate who was all "omg Bayohne, help me level up my lancer tomorrow!"...).

Take a gander at the requirements to begin the quests to unlock the jobs...

(don't tell Yoshi-P I showed you!) ;)

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Speaking of classes and jobs, what class/job were you looking forward to most?

*Bayohne surfaces with the Mjolnir-style banhammer in each tentacle*

Uh oh

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Originally Posted by Otaku

So after talking to some LS friends I ran into some confusion about the new jobs, they say that the job stone will act more like a title? Say you're a lvl 50 GLD and you go PLD, do you start over over or do you have all your lvl 50 GLD stats and can just flythrough the PLD quest line? I was anticipating this patch was a whole lot of new content but if the later is the case I see all the people with all DoW/DoM @50 breezing through the content in less then a week? And for say someone with a GLD/MRD @30 switching to PLD does this mean I still have to lvl GLD to 50 for the stats/skills anyways?

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Essentially the job is like a title or a mode switch, yes. Leveling your Gladiator levels your PLD and vice versa, they are the same entity, one is just better for solo/small parties and the other is better for large parties.

We don't know much about the job quests but the early ones will probably be easy to do if you are 50 already.

Some of those are pretty strange combos. However really excited for Mnk/Lnc :D

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I was able to sneak a peek at the documents regarding the upcoming job system announcement coming next week and I smuggled out a lil' morsel that you might be interested in. I figure, if you all knew what classes were required for each job, you could set a goal to raise them up over the weekend (if you're like Camate who was all "omg Bayohne, help me level up my lancer tomorrow!"...).

Take a gander at the requirements to begin the quests to unlock the jobs... (don't tell Yoshi-P I showed you!) ;)

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This is just what I was waiting for. Thanks Bayohne!

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Originally Posted by Otaku

So after talking to some LS friends I ran into some confusion about the new jobs, they say that the job stone will act more like a title? Say you're a lvl 50 GLD and you go PLD, do you start over over or do you have all your lvl 50 GLD stats and can just flythrough the PLD quest line? I was anticipating this patch was a whole lot of new content but if the later is the case I see all the people with all DoW/DoM @50 breezing through the content in less then a week? And for say someone with a GLD/MRD @30 switching to PLD does this mean I still have to lvl GLD to 50 for the stats/skills anyways?

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Jobs are sort of a declaration of a role you will be playing, primarily for a large party. Essentially it limits your ability to cross class skills but in return gives you access to new job skills as well as job-specific armor that will very likely enhance the role the job represents even further. It's a specialization, if you will.

The level of the job is not independent, but rather identical to the level of the class it belongs to. Thus, if you are on a Lv 30 GLA, and happen to have CNJ leveled to 15 as well, you can access the first PLD job quest which will be a lv 30 quest. Completing it likely will unlock the job. There are job quests every 5 levels from then on: 35, 40, 45, 50. This makes 5 quests per job, each quest granting you access to another job skill. Therefore your job isn't fully unlockable until the class it belongs to is level 50.

Anyone who has their battle classes at 50 will likely breeze through the earlier quests, provided they are battle based, but I've got my fingers crossed for the final quest being challenging and meaningful for each job.

So i was reading this post yoshi did awhile ago, in producer letter XX i believe. I am wondering is there going to be stats on the jse that is exclusive in nature? "Haste,regen,ect.." Thats the example im giving, just a hunch.

"Crafter motivation and repairs
Crafters should place creating items as their highest priorities. Crafters should earn their respect through developing their skills to a high level. This is why we are spending a lot of time to implement the materia craft system.

I think that repairs should be easily accomplished through using a small part of the skills that crafters have spent so long to develop. Crafters should receive the most satisfaction out of creating challenging weapons and armor and exploring the materia craft system." http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...471#post318471 this is the link for refrence.

Crap... Looks like I finally need to equip a sword to unlock white mage.

I hope that Topics post Bayohne hinted at next week comes with a more in-depth video showing animations for all of the job skills. At least the BRD's songs.

I know, I know. May as well wait for the end of the week. Still want it though lol

So now the bigger question is if @30 I complete the PLD job quest and join a party would I get GLD skills unlocked as I lvl as a PLD or would I have to stay GLD and just do the PLD quests to unlock job skills and not party as PLD till 50?
Lmao, seams the more info we get the more questions I have ><

Gladiator and Paladin are the same thing... Paladin uses Gladiator Skills and IS for all intents and purposes Gladiator so leveling up as Paladin and Gladiator is exactly the same thing, you learn the same Gladiator skills. You just have to quest for the Paladin skills later.

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Originally Posted by Otaku

So now the bigger question is if @30 I complete the PLD job quest and join a party would I get GLD skills unlocked as I lvl as a PLD or would I have to stay GLD and just do the PLD quests to unlock job skills and not party as PLD till 50?
Lmao, seams the more info we get the more questions I have ><

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It is easy to understand. PLD and GLA levels up in parallel with each other. The only difference is that you have to quest to unlock pld gear, abilities and spells.

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Originally Posted by Otaku

So now the bigger question is if @30 I complete the PLD job quest and join a party would I get GLD skills unlocked as I lvl as a PLD or would I have to stay GLD and just do the PLD quests to unlock job skills and not party as PLD till 50?
Lmao, seams the more info we get the more questions I have ><

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The simple and direct answer to your question is:

When on a job, any experience points earned go directly to the class the job belongs to (ie. when playing as a PLD in a large grind party, all the experience you earn will go to GLA.)

In before someone complains about level 15 sub class requirement.

You can get to 15 in a day!

Though I am kind of curious why they chose Glad as a sub class requirement for white mage... Glad/Con i get for PLD but if anything, i woulda thought CON/ARC (basing off of previous ffs).

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Originally Posted by Shadowedge

Crap... Looks like I finally need to equip a sword to unlock white mage.

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Yep me too. I'm happy I got GLD to lvl 10 today, leveling GLD is so painfully slow I was hoping to never equip another sword again. Oh well back to the grind stone I guess.

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Originally Posted by Darte

In before someone complains about level 15 sub class requirement.

You can get to 15 in a day!

Though I am kind of curious why they chose Glad as a sub class requirement for white mage... Glad/Con i get for PLD but if anything, i woulda thought CON/ARC (basing off of previous ffs).

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This... Why on earth would a white mage need to practice tanking? Gladiator =/= PLD. Gladiator has nothing to do with white magic, to my knowledge. <_<;

I guess Raya-o-senna will answer my questions soon, though. ^^;

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Originally Posted by Mychael

This... Why on earth would a white mage need to practice tanking? Gladiator =/= PLD. Gladiator has nothing to do with white magic, to my knowledge. <_<;

I guess Raya-o-senna will answer my questions soon, though. ^^;

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WHM supposed to protect the life of the party...and for the class, GLA is the best on defense...


just a speculation though XD

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Originally Posted by Mychael

This... Why on earth would a white mage need to practice tanking? Gladiator =/= PLD. Gladiator has nothing to do with white magic, to my knowledge. <_<;

I guess Raya-o-senna will answer my questions soon, though. ^^;

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Maybe it has to do with defensive/shield skills

Whm is spending most of his/her time healing the GLA. Needs to understand the class.. make perfect sense to me.

now they need to tell us if the AFs will be from quests or Dungeons ! or maybe coffers like XI?!~

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I was able to sneak a peek at the documents regarding the upcoming job system announcement coming next week and I smuggled out a lil' morsel that you might be interested in. I figure, if you all knew what classes were required for each job, you could set a goal to raise them up over the weekend (if you're like Camate who was all "omg Bayohne, help me level up my lancer tomorrow!"...).

Take a gander at the requirements to begin the quests to unlock the jobs... (don't tell Yoshi-P I showed you!) ;)

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I take it camate wants to be a monk then lol

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Originally Posted by Lorduke

Whm is spending most of his/her time healing the GLA. Needs to understand the class.. make perfect sense to me.

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Great example of someone making an argument fit the facts /rolleyes .. it takes almost ZERO knowledge of a class in order to effectively heal it, and that knowledge that IS helpful (such as any skills that will, say, grab huge amounts of hate) is easily learned in the course of healing a normal group.

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Originally Posted by Gildarts

now they need to tell us if the AFs will be from quests or Dungeons ! or maybe coffers like XI?!~

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Quest they have stated this thousands of times all the stuff for jobs will be quested.

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Originally Posted by Darte

In before someone complains about level 15 sub class requirement.

You can get to 15 in a day!

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Just because it may be easy, it doesn't mean it's not damned annoying.

Just WTF is the use of leveling Lancer for someone who wants to play a Monk? There seems to be zero sense if some of those combinations, simply two unrelated classes thrown together as a typical SE speed-bump.

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

Just because it may be easy, it doesn't mean it's not damned annoying.

Just WTF is the use of leveling Lancer for someone who wants to play a Monk?

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Because. That's why.
No joke.
SE made it that way, regardless of you needing it to make sense.

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

Just because it may be easy, it doesn't mean it's not damned annoying.

Just WTF is the use of leveling Lancer for someone who wants to play a Monk?

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b/c its an sub req <.< if your pgl is 50 anyways you should lnc to 25 for invig anyway.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

I was able to sneak a peek at the documents regarding the upcoming job system announcement coming next week and I smuggled out a lil' morsel that you might be interested in. I figure, if you all knew what classes were required for each job, you could set a goal to raise them up over the weekend (if you're like Camate who was all "omg Bayohne, help me level up my lancer tomorrow!"...).

Take a gander at the requirements to begin the quests to unlock the jobs... (don't tell Yoshi-P I showed you!) ;)

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You'e the best.

I expected something like this for the mages requirement:

Job Name Requirements
White Mage Conjurer lvl 30+, Thaumaturge lvl 15+
Black Mage Thaumaturge lvl 30+, Conjurer lvl 15+

Why should a BLM need to be a pugilist??? Those requirements seems totally random.

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Originally Posted by Shadowedge

Crap... Looks like I finally need to equip a sword to unlock white mage.

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Exactly what I was thinking. Gladiator? I have to get some tanking experience under my belt to unlock the healing job? Weird. Why wouldn't they encourage you to cross-class casters?

Can't wait to see what lore reasons are in the WHM quest (if any) for that one. >.>

This would make much more sense:
30 CNJ + 15 THM = WHM
30 THM + 15 CNJ = BLM

Edit: Alkel beat me to it!

Have you guys thought that maybe the sub class works similar to ffxi in that the job gets to use the cross class abilities from the sub class required to unlock? The only mention about cross class abilities in relation to jobs is that they would be limited, not completely restricted.

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Originally Posted by Alkel

Why should a BLM need to be a pugilist??? Those requirements seems totally random.

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I guess it's related to stats; INT affects both Attack Magic Potency (BLM) and Damage dealt by pugilist arms.

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Originally Posted by Ryans

Have you guys thought that maybe the sub class works similar to ffxi in that the job gets to use the cross class abilities from the sub class required to unlock? The only mention about cross class abilities in relation to jobs is that they would be limited, not completely restricted.

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That's how it works. Yoshi stated in an earlier interview the job gets it's main class abilities, and it's sub class abilities up to 15. So don't knock Mnk/Lnc, we get Blood for Blood AND Invigorate :D

All of these complaints would be perfectly valid if it didn't take less than an hour to get to 15 anyway.

Seriously go do some leves and you'll be passed 15 before you even remember why you're levelling that class in the first place... However I do agree some of these requirements are bollocks. I mean, for BLM you need THM and... PUG? So you need to punch shit in the face to become a better mage? How does that make any sense?