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11-10-2011, 07:32 AM
Molly_Millions

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Originally Posted by Lavani

Really, how so? Because he did mention the fact that people don't chose their own names. I simply replied with an example of how people do. Here is another, a friend of mine legally changed his last name not long ago. people can and do chose their own names.

and those people don't change their names to something like D**k Face, for example, and expect to not be ridiculed in public. There are repercussions for doing something like that. In the real world, those repercussions include public humiliation, and becoming unemployable for example. In Eorzea those repercussions include being reported for TOS violations.
11-10-2011, 08:31 AM
Kailea_Nagisa

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Originally Posted by Lavani

I loled.

What if the offending player want's to RP? And so his name is just as much a part of the character as anything "colorful" SE puts into the game.

So it's ok for SE to add "Colorful" language but not players. Makes perfect sense.

actually yes,it is their game, and their copy right, it is their place to set rules, and decide what they want their NPCs to say, and also if your name is against the rules they have set for the player. There are rules every where, some do go overboard, but rules for FFXIV are pretty light and standard, if you can not follow them, don't be surprised to be reported later.

No one needs to name themselves D*ck BallsMagie to RP.
11-10-2011, 09:44 AM
Lavani

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

and those people don't change their names to something like D**k Face, for example, and expect to not be ridiculed in public. There are repercussions for doing something like that. In the real world, those repercussions include public humiliation, and becoming unemployable for example. In Eorzea those repercussions include being reported for TOS violations.

Yeah actually I know a few people with "rude" names like that, hasn't affected their life negatively.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

actually yes,it is their game, and their copy right, it is their place to set rules, and decide what they want their NPCs to say, and also if your name is against the rules they have set for the player. There are rules every where, some do go overboard, but rules for FFXIV are pretty light and standard, if you can not follow them, don't be surprised to be reported later.

No one needs to name themselves D*ck BallsMagie to RP.

Actually I had an RP character named Ballzack.
11-10-2011, 09:56 AM
Kailea_Nagisa

well that is where it gets into the grey area, did you name yourself that because it sounded like ball sack, or did you name yourself that for the name really being Ballzack (and to be honest you should have spelled it Balzack)
11-10-2011, 11:03 AM
ispano

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Originally Posted by Lavani

Yeah actually I know a few people with "rude" names like that, hasn't affected their life negatively.

Assuming this is in the US, those judges must have been rather lenient.
11-10-2011, 04:26 PM
Rowyne

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Whose linkshell was it? If that couple owned the linkshell, people were wrong to complain; if not, then why didn't the owner do anything?

No, the linkshell did not belong to the couple. The LS owner was a super nice guy, great at organizing parties/alliances, LS events, boosting morale, all the good stuff. Unfortunately, his own kind-heartedness kept him from confronting them about it. As I said, it caused the vast majority of the active players to leave and form a new LS, and he sort of just faded away.

It's not always easy to have to do, but it would have been better to offend the two of them by putting a stop to it, than risk the entire group falling apart.

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Quite simple, really. You come into my house, you play by my rules. No different than if I come into your house, I play by your rules.

I couldn't agree more. It's why I put a code of conduct up on our linkshell website. And it's honestly because of that experience, and a WoW guild I was in that went through the exact same thing. :)
11-10-2011, 04:36 PM
Dragon

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Originally Posted by Hartigan_Redsail

The essence of this thread is moot because FFXIV has more cursing coming from the npcs in it than I have seen in any MMO I have ever played.

But I'm glad you could feel important for 20+ pages of a thread

/endthread

Well, that's 2nd only to Age of Conan. Well maybe 3rd, though I can't quite say for sure if Requiem is the same in terms of language as it is for the graphics.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

and those people don't change their names to something like D**k Face, for example, and expect to not be ridiculed in public. There are repercussions for doing something like that. In the real world, those repercussions include public humiliation, and becoming unemployable for example. In Eorzea those repercussions include being reported for TOS violations.

Okay, you were talking about how words hurt earlier, but you don't realize people are born with weird names all the time. Sure, there is a difference here because first of all we can choose our character's names and secondly it's SE's product; at the end of the day, however, I find it quite ironic you compare this with the real world where "Dick" is the real name of some people, nickname or legal name alike.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

No, the linkshell did not belong to the couple. The LS owner was a super nice guy, great at organizing parties/alliances, LS events, boosting morale, all the good stuff. Unfortunately, his own kind-heartedness kept him from confronting them about it. As I said, it caused the vast majority of the active players to leave and form a new LS, and he sort of just faded away.

It's not always easy to have to do, but it would have been better to offend the two of them by putting a stop to it, than risk the entire group falling apart.

I see.

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I couldn't agree more. It's why I put a code of conduct up on our linkshell website. And it's honestly because of that experience, and a WoW guild I was in that went through the exact same thing. :)

:3
11-10-2011, 05:03 PM
Rowyne

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

this should settle the debate, check the TOS

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3.3 Profanity and Offensive Language. You may not use profanity or any language that a reasonable person would find offensive. The Game is for players aged 13 and older. You agree to behave accordingly.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...seragreement_e

Thanks for finding this info, Molly!

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Originally Posted by ispano

Now you're going to get the people saying "what's reasonable" In truth there's no way to know, but any sane, thinking person should be able to figure out what they mean by that.

I'm sure a lot of people will still try to argue "what's reasonable". But with a rating of T (for Teen) by the ESRB, it can't be as much of a grey area as some would like to think as the ToS has clearly been written with the intent for player language not to exceed the content rating.

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TEEN
Titles rated T (Teen) have content that may be suitable for ages 13 and older. Titles in this category may contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling, and/or infrequent use of strong language.

This means seeing language no stronger than what would appear in a PG-13 movie, infrequently at that.
11-11-2011, 02:40 AM
Yves

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

This means seeing language no stronger than what would appear in a PG-13 movie, infrequently at that.

Well here is the thing about this statement: everything up to the F-word is allowed in PG-13. Language that was inappropriate 10 years ago has been de-venomized. Calling someone "queer" in 1999 was a slur - today, thanks to a TV show, the word is de-venomized. The same with "dick" and "doosh." Personally, I wouldn't use these terms around a formal setting, but, socially, they are generally accepted by PG-13/T standards.

Keep in mind I am not saying that it is right - simply that it is acceptable under those guidelines.
11-11-2011, 02:43 AM
RemVye

GDI.... just let this lame thread die already. Please, I beg of you.

EDIT: (see above)

You can really tell how old someone is when they use the word "doosh"... reminds me of Koosh balls.

http://www.officeplayground.com/Asse...oshball_1b.jpg
11-11-2011, 03:27 AM
Molly_Millions

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Originally Posted by Dragon

Okay, you were talking about how words hurt earlier, but you don't realize people are born with weird names all the time. Sure, there is a difference here because first of all we can choose our character's names and secondly it's SE's product; at the end of the day, however, I find it quite ironic you compare this with the real world where "Dick" is the real name of some people, nickname or legal name alike.

You missed my point, of course the first name Dick on it's own is ok, as it's short for Richard. But it crosses a line if the person were to choose the name D**k Face for themselves. Can you see the difference?
11-11-2011, 03:41 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

You missed my point, of course the first name Dick on it's own is ok, as it's short for Richard. But it crosses a line if the person were to choose the name D**k Face for themselves. Can you see the difference?

I see that you have a problem with my friend Richard Face... and anyone who has a problem with Dick has a problem with me; Harry Sack
11-11-2011, 03:53 AM
Crica

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Originally Posted by RemVye

I see that you have a problem with my friend Richard Face... and anyone who has a problem with Dick has a problem with me; Harry Sack

I have already tried to tell everyone the issues they have with words are their own issues, and they need to take responsibility for their own issues, but no one believes that to be true.

Apparently, it is never their own fault they feel the way they do...

Other people make you feel what you do and other people make you hold opinions...

/shrug

Other people have nothing to do with how we personally feel or what opinions we personally hold - our feelings and opinions are based solely on what we personally like or dislike.

Why this truth blinds so many confuses me alot.
11-11-2011, 04:08 AM
AngryNixon

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11-11-2011, 04:23 AM
quantumsaint

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

Thanks for finding this info, Molly!

I'm sure a lot of people will still try to argue "what's reasonable". But with a rating of T (for Teen) by the ESRB, it can't be as much of a grey area as some would like to think as the ToS has clearly been written with the intent for player language not to exceed the content rating.

This means seeing language no stronger than what would appear in a PG-13 movie, infrequently at that.

They qualify the T rating by saying Online Interactions not rated by the ESRB.
11-11-2011, 04:33 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by AngryNixon

http://i308.photobucket.com/albums/k...dead_horse.jpg

Still a long way to go before that turns to glue...
11-11-2011, 05:06 AM
Molly_Millions

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Originally Posted by Crica

I have already tried to tell everyone the issues they have with words are their own issues, and they need to take responsibility for their own issues, but no one believes that to be true.

Apparently, it is never their own fault they feel the way they do...

Other people make you feel what you do and other people make you hold opinions...

/shrug

Other people have nothing to do with how we personally feel or what opinions we personally hold - our feelings and opinions are based solely on what we personally like or dislike.

Why this truth blinds so many confuses me alot.

Did you miss the part where names like that are against the ToS? This shouldn't be a philosophical debate.
11-11-2011, 05:13 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Did you miss the part where names like that are against the ToS? This shouldn't be a philosophical debate.

But what you are claiming to be vulgar may not be vulgar to me. Likewise what you claim to not be vulgar may be vulgar to me.
11-11-2011, 05:19 AM
Molly_Millions

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Originally Posted by RemVye

But what you are claiming to be vulgar may not be vulgar to me. Likewise what you claim to not be vulgar may be vulgar to me.

Yes, but the language in the ToS says "offensive to a reasonable person" being that I may find it offensive and I'm a reasonable person, well you can follow the logic.

Bear in mind, unless it's something like that LS name, I probably wouldn't say anything. I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here.
11-11-2011, 05:24 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Yes, but the language in the ToS says "offensive to a reasonable person" being that I may find it offensive and I'm a reasonable person, well you can follow the logic.

Bear in mind, unless it's something like that LS name, I probably wouldn't say anything. I'm kinda playing devil's advocate here.

They need to provide a sufficient outline to what makes someone a reasonable person. :D advocation compleet
11-11-2011, 05:27 AM
Molly_Millions

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Originally Posted by RemVye

They need to provide a sufficient outline to what makes someone a reasonable person. :D advocation compleet

Actually they don't, the language gives them legal leeway to make that determination on their own.
11-11-2011, 05:31 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Actually they don't, the language gives them legal leeway to make that determination on their own.

Well you sir or madam are just on top of things.

I'm hoping this is the last post in this thread, but waiting for it to fizzle out for a long time.

I find it funny my retainers have vulgar names yet they havent been changed. :D
11-11-2011, 05:40 AM
MistyMew

Just my personal opinion, but one thing i never forget is. its a game.
for those that cant sleep at night because they have seen a "bad" name then report them i suppose and somehow feel like you are a better person. :confused:

tbh i think ppl need to worry more about the UI and needed changes/conveniences to the game (mail) then a name. and worry a heck of alot more about making sure they simply find reason to laugh and enjoy what they can in the game.

a jumble of letters that happens to be something you dont like....... to me....is just a silly reason to get your panties in a twist.

people from all walks of life play, in many many different countries and with unlimited upbringings. relax, take a breath and focus on the game.

its up to SE to decide in the bitter end. i hope they too arent too "frigid" i guess is the best way to put it idk :p
11-11-2011, 05:54 AM
Eekiki

I've been told many times that my name is actually a slang term used for my favorite female reproductive organ in some language.
11-11-2011, 06:12 AM
Crica

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

Did you miss the part where names like that are against the ToS? This shouldn't be a philosophical debate.

Yes I did miss that.

All I see is that SE reserves the right to censor any words they see fit because it is their game.

And I know that SE is going to go with the majority vote on what words to censor because that will make them the most money.

I understand how life works.

I only claim to share truth and wonder why truth blinds so many, nothing more.
11-11-2011, 12:07 PM
LanikMueller

OP's question. What to do if you THINK you see inappropriate name?
Answer. Laugh at said inappropriate name.
If there are any here who feel its morally wrong or that it may insult someones personal feelings to see someone with a naughty name the only thing I have to say to you is get over it. Its the internet, you will see things like this, EVERYWHERE. No matter how much the "Safety police" try to or could ever do about it it will persist. You should just get over it and move on with life. Its not your job to censer the world clean of dumb names. In short grow a sense of humor. You'll live longer.
11-11-2011, 12:15 PM
ispano

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Originally Posted by LanikMueller

OP's question. What to do if you THINK you see inappropriate name?
Answer. Laugh at said inappropriate name.
If there are any here who feel its morally wrong or that it may insult someones personal feelings to see someone with a naughty name the only thing I have to say to you is get over it. Its the internet, you will see things like this, EVERYWHERE. No matter how much the "Safety police" try to or could ever do about it it will persist. You should just get over it and move on with life. Its not your job to censer the world clean of dumb names. In short grow a sense of humor. You'll live longer.

If there were no rules laid out by SE prohibiting "offensive" names, then that would apply for sure. We have said, report it if you feel it's a problem, SE agrees, they have to change it, they don't agree it stays and you deal with it.
11-11-2011, 12:54 PM
Nabiri

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Originally Posted by Bowen

This is partially true.
Everyone should respect another person and their opinions to a certain degree. Now, people lose and gain respect based on their actions. You shouldn't judge another before you know them. If you find that they are disrespectful of you or someone else, then you lose respect of them (Or rather, I hope you would) and if they do nice things and respect others than they deserve more respect.

I do believe when meeting new people that they deserve a certain level of respect, but this is just my opinion.
When I meet someone new I show them a certain level or respect in the form of politeness and kindness. From there they either earn further respect or lose respect depending on their actions.

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Originally Posted by Crica

And if I find what you just said to be mean, rude and offensive and then ask you to not say it anymore and decide you should only say what I want you to from now on?

Do you see where this is leading? It leads to control issues and censorship.

Telling someone to not use words just because you don't like them is not a productive reason to stop using words - censorship and allowing yourself to be controlled only leads to one place - ignorance.

If you are "offended" at any words, that is your own problem because you created your own problem by choosing to be "offended" at any words.

Your feelings are your own and are not caused by anyone else but yourself and your own opinions.

Take responsibility for your own feelings and figure out why you decided to hold the opinion that any words are "offensive" and stop expecting others to be responsible for your feelings and your opinions that they have absolutely no control over.

I believe that there is a huge difference between someone just not liking hearing a word (and (mis-)labeling it as offensive because of that), and words purposely being used by someone to hurt another in an offensive manner.

I had an issue with my sister with this one before.
I swear sometimes, not a lot, and not at anyone. I stub my toe and trip, I let out a swear word. I get angry at someone else's mess I have to clean, I might end up swearing. Things like that.
Well, my sister used to get mad at me and say, "don't swear!" And I'd tell her it wasn't hurting anyone. I'm not swearing AT anyone. Just because she doesn't like a word doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to use it. She may use words I don't like, but I won't be angry with her for it. "Swear" words aren't any different from other words until they're used against someone.
Words being used to harm someone is the problem, not the words themselves. Calling someone stupid or an idiot can be just as harmful emotionally as swearing at them. She doesn't get mad at me for using words she dislikes now.

In-game it IS possible for character names to me made to hurt others.
Examples without actually making up names: discriminating against/slandering/insulting etc.

I agree that some stupid names that people don't like to look at are mis-labeled as offensive, but there are some names that actually have the intent to offend, and really can/do hurt people.

If I see a name I dislike, find distasteful, or one that makes the person look immature, I choose to avoid them. As some have said, they likely have an immature personality to go with that name.
if I see a name that's directly insulting/offensive, I would report it without hesitation.

(Additional note: While I find nothing wrong with swearing when it's not used against someone, I still avoid using it in public. Only because so many find it distasteful.)
11-11-2011, 02:51 PM
Lavani

Here is a solution, re-name with the same name, slightly different spelling. Let them keep reporting and keep doing the same name changes.
11-11-2011, 03:12 PM
Kailea_Nagisa

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Originally Posted by Lavani

Here is a solution, re-name with the same name, slightly different spelling. Let them keep reporting and keep doing the same name changes.

you can an will be banned for multiple offenses of any type. At some point a GM is going to look at the history and say "oh wow this player is just not learning at all" and clicks the ban button

A GM having you rename your character is for the occasion where you unknowingly name yourself something offensive.
11-11-2011, 06:15 PM
Lavani

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

you can an will be banned for multiple offenses of any type. At some point a GM is going to look at the history and say "oh wow this player is just not learning at all" and clicks the ban button

A GM having you rename your character is for the occasion where you unknowingly name yourself something offensive.

Yeah, but that wont happen right away, and they never perma ban for that. I'm sure they wan't to keep their subs.
11-11-2011, 11:49 PM
Kailea_Nagisa

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Originally Posted by Lavani

Yeah, but that wont happen right away, and they never perma ban for that. I'm sure they wan't to keep their subs.

so what your saying is that it is perfectly normal, for some one to get flagged for a bad name, have them change it to to the same thing just spelled differently, get temp banned, do it again, and repeat the cycle? Thats pretty stupid.......

How about instead, be creative, thoughtful, and not have your head stuck in the kindergarten sandbox -.-

So people are telling the people reporting the names to grow up, but in reality it is the people with said names that need to grow up.
11-12-2011, 04:28 AM
Lavani

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

so what your saying is that it is perfectly normal, for some one to get flagged for a bad name, have them change it to to the same thing just spelled differently, get temp banned, do it again, and repeat the cycle? Thats pretty stupid.......

How about instead, be creative, thoughtful, and not have your head stuck in the kindergarten sandbox -.-

So people are telling the people reporting the names to grow up, but in reality it is the people with said names that need to grow up.

Wow resorting to name calling, excuse me while I report you. So much for your maturity and and "grown up status".
11-12-2011, 04:43 AM
ispano

I see no name calling in Kailea's post. A suggestion to expand your thought process for sure, but no real name calling.
11-12-2011, 04:46 AM
RemVye

Someone please just end the madness...
this thread needs to die and stay dead

it's like a halloween nightmare movie and it's on it's 10th sequel
11-12-2011, 05:01 AM
Molly_Millions

So what you're saying is, you'd get annoyed if I released my inner troll with a bump?

...ok, sorry. I got bored.
11-12-2011, 05:02 AM
Lavani

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Originally Posted by ispano

I see no name calling in Kailea's post. A suggestion to expand your thought process for sure, but no real name calling.

OMG the attacks continue! So much for everything you have been preaching.
11-12-2011, 05:15 AM
ispano

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Originally Posted by Lavani

OMG the attacks continue! So much for everything you have been preaching.

Attack? I told you how I took the words. I would have taken it the same way if it were directed at me or anyone else. I added nothing else of my own opinion to it.
11-12-2011, 05:40 AM
Kailea_Nagisa

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Originally Posted by ispano

Attack? I told you how I took the words. I would have taken it the same way if it were directed at me or anyone else. I added nothing else of my own opinion to it.

ignore him, he has lost, and so now he has resorted to really bad trolling...........
11-12-2011, 05:43 AM
RemVye

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

So what you're saying is, you'd get annoyed if I released my inner troll with a bump?

...ok, sorry. I got bored.

Not annoyed, this thread was answered within the first 10 replies and is now so far off topic that it's just troll bait burn fest.

Really the thread had no point in being created. Such a trivial thread.... report and move on or suck it up baby and keep going.

PS Molly if you're a female want to be my online onry gf!? But really... i like your pc setup :D

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