Repair NPCs in Dungeons

Is this arguement still going? You don't just go in a dungeon all willy nilly. You have time to check your gear well in advance and granted, the gear could still break in a dungeon but the only time that has ever happened was when a group could not handle a trial.

Honestly if you go into a dungeon with low durable gear it's you're own fault. Why this is an arguement right now I'll never know.

The counter arguement of the gil payment isn't even valid either because repairing full sets of gear from 0 costs basically nothing to begin with. It just sounds like a lazy excuse for not being ready for something you que for.

I sure am glad I leveled all of my crafters to 60 so I'll never need a npc to repair for me until 5.0.

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Originally Posted by Texa

I sure am glad I leveled all of my crafters to 60 so I'll never need a npc to repair for me until 5.0.

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Agreeded, even though I didn't really do it for the repairs, it was a excellent perk to have after leveling them all. Plus, I really wouldn't mind repairing other people's gear right on the spot. Could just pay us a small cost or even GC seals so long as the repairer has Dark Matter in their inventory.

Just be thankful its not like my last game.. when equipment went to 0 duribility you lost maximum.. starts at max 100 when broke went to 90... 80.. etc only way to restore it to maximum was cash shop items lol

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Originally Posted by Dreggit

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It's an argument because humans are humans, and humans can forget things. And because there is no harm at all in adding this simple safety feature to the game. Even making it cost 3x the price of repairing outside the dungeon would be fine to me, but that's opposed too. And because if one person forgets, everyone else suffers too, especially if the person is the tank. And because not everyone who likes the combat in the game wants to level crafters for something directly related to combat. I just hope that you and the people who oppose this idea never complain about someone else forgetting to repair and it affecting your run.

If I log out one night, log in another day and my gear is at low durability, unless the first thing on my mind is a gear check, it's incredibly easy for me not to think about it before I try to get the grind of the day done.

But I'll concede, the (forum) community has overwhelmingly voiced its opposition to the idea. So we'll be forever stuck with tanks who forget to repair and have to leave and the entire group being punished for one person's innocent mistake just for the sake and "reason" of "You shouldn't have forgotten", no if's and's or but's. If there's anything I've learned more than ever over the past year's events, it's that humans often don't like change or progress.

So there's no point in continuing to debate it here folks.

i think instead of NPC's they should just give us the option to repair other player's gear like how you can meld other players gear

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Originally Posted by stanrir

i think instead of NPC's they should just give us the option to repair other player's gear like how you can meld other players gear

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That would be better than what we have now for sure, but then there's the issue of no one having the crafts leveled to do so. I'd like a for sure, no relying on other players way to keep the run from being bad because of this. Even if it's expensive for the person to pay.

Bring back the "Let others repair for you" mechanic.

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Originally Posted by tymora

Bring back the "Let others repair for you" mechanic.

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I think this would be way better then any proposed put a NPC in every dungeon method

HOOO boy... wall of text time...

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Originally Posted by Adire

It's an argument because humans are humans, and humans can forget things. And because there is no harm at all in adding this simple safety feature to the game. Even making it cost 3x the price of repairing outside the dungeon would be fine to me, but that's opposed too. And because if one person forgets, everyone else suffers too, especially if the person is the tank. And because not everyone who likes the combat in the game wants to level crafters for something directly related to combat. I just hope that you and the people who oppose this idea never complain about someone else forgetting to repair and it affecting your run.

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Just because it's an argument doesn't mean its a good or acceptable argument. And it's the only argument i've seen from the other side. "B-B-But I forgeeeet!!!" It is not my responsibility and it is not SE's responsibility to make up for your lapse in memory. You know what helps with memory? This thing called "Habit". You should try forming one. Before or after a dungeon? Go to a melder. It's cheap. You wont forget, and even if you do... you mighta done it outta reflex!

I said it already- twice in fact. I guess you missed it. So for you, I'll repeat myself: If you can't repair your gear, it will always be damaged enough to be repaired again. You should do it. Especially if you have such a memory loss problem.

The second part of this statement kinda shows you don't have crafting leveled... or never crafted anything in bulk before... because uh.. newsflash... Crafting gear has durability too. Crafters need to repair crafting gear. that's a thing.
I Also hold the right to complain about what I choose, mom. Anyone in DF can be replaced- if it's the tank or healer, I'LL replace them if I have to.. it's a benefit that comes with being prepared

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If I log out one night, log in another day and my gear is at low durability, unless the first thing on my mind is a gear check, it's incredibly easy for me not to think about it before I try to get the grind of the day done.

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If you logged out with 20% or less durability, SE can't fix that... there just needs to be certain things you should do before you log off or before you jump into dungeons... (20% is actually enough to get through most dungeons without a wipe)

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But I'll concede, the (forum) community has overwhelmingly voiced its opposition to the idea. So we'll be forever stuck with tanks who forget to repair and have to leave and the entire group being punished for one person's innocent mistake just for the sake and "reason" of "You shouldn't have forgotten", no if's and's or but's. If there's anything I've learned more than ever over the past year's events, it's that humans often don't like change or progress.

So there's no point in continuing to debate it here folks.

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This song and dance again? You're more than welcome to make posts here, but upon do so, you open your post up to... oh I don't know... Interactions with the public? Did you truly believe just by sharing your idea to the public that it would have unanimous praise? I don't know why there's such a pretentious tone here. Welcome to the public sphere, your idea was judged and found lacking. We're such HORRIBLE little gremlins, aren't we?
But you're right! OH NO! we don't agree! WOE TO PROGRESS! We only ever REGRESS! THE HUMANITY! We should accept ALL things! WITHOUT QUESTION! it is the ONLY way forward!
Did I do the thing right? I agreed with you there. I get a thing, right?


...Anyway, again. Gear durability doesn't just vanish. it takes a LONG time before it's in threat of breaking. if it's gotten to that point, yes. take your punishment when we have to vote kick and replace you with someone more prepared.

I will not allow a player getting a reward or benefit from dragging down the other members of the party- yes it inconveniences us that you can't repair inside the dungeon. it also conveniences us you let your gear rot for days or weeks or months in the first place. take your punishment and hopefully it will be enough that you remember next time.

I can agree for repairing to be easier to access outside of menders, but I need a far better reason than "I forgot". I can't believe laziness is a cause to champion... I'm more apt to side behind the lore argument...

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Originally Posted by Adire

It's an argument because humans are humans, and humans can forget things. And because there is no harm at all in adding this would be fine to me, but that's opposed too.

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People who always forget to repair the gear should start to level up DoH classes

I'm sure this has been said many times already, but no.
It's your responsibility to take care of your gear before you enter. If you forget when you log on, then make sure to repair everything before logging off the day before. I've been playing for many years and my gear his literally not broken a single time in content, despite me still not having leveled crafters enough to repair it inside. It's just a matter of preparation.

I mean, why not add a marketboard, food vendor, materia NPC and 2 exchange NPCs for dark matter and Gelmorra shards in any raid and ex primal too, while we are at it? You know, for the people who forgot to add materia to their gear or bring buff food? :rolleyes:

I like how we have a 26-page thread about people being forgetful and whether or not the game should hold their hand.

I think a better topic of discussion is why we have the gear durability system at all, since it's a boring gameplay mechanic that basically says "either your gear is fine and you don't have to care, or stuff is broken and you're screwed".

Gear durability is a simple Gil sink.
You can see the durability as a vertical bar next to every piece in the character window.
It is thrown in your face every time you open it, no excuses for forgetting it.
This is the only responsebility for players beside wearing apropiate gear for their job.

'People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.'
Seems to be an awful lot of that going on in this thread; forgetting to do things occasionally is normal and everybody does it.

That said, I'm not sure I'd like to see repair npc introduced into every dungeon. Not because it will make people completely lazy, dependent and irresponsible (thereby leading to the collapse of Western civilisation as we know it, I assume) but simply because it seems like overkill and would be taking development time away from something else.

How about a Repair Kit? An item that can both be purchased from an npc or crafted (keep it simple: works on any level or type of equipment so inventories are not swamped)
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give crafters back the ability to repair other people's gear (the necessary phrases are still in the 'auto-translate' dictionary).

It inconveniences everybody when someone's equipment breaks. It seems silly to me to insist that is exactly how things ought to be and that the other members of the group should just take their punishment along with the person who forgot; I really can't see who that benefits.

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Originally Posted by Solarra

How about a Repair Kit? An item that can both be purchased from an npc or crafted (keep it simple: works on any level or type of equipment so inventories are not swamped)

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I like this suggestion...the base for this is already ingame with the repair kit for the airships, perhaps the same recipe for a personal repair kit. Maybe not sold by an NPC but an basic level 50 or 60 recipe without any need of a masterbook.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

I like this suggestion...the base for this is already ingame with the repair kit for the airships, perhaps the same recipe for a personal repair kit. Maybe not sold by an NPC but an basic level 50 or 60 recipe without any need of a masterbook.

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There is already a repair 'kit', it's called learning the relevant craft and carrying the relevant materials.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

I like this suggestion...the base for this is already ingame with the repair kit for the airships, perhaps the same recipe for a personal repair kit. Maybe not sold by an NPC but an basic level 50 or 60 recipe without any need of a masterbook.

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Have it only repair 20% of all equipped items upon use and I'm game.

Get crafters to 60, it so easy nowdays

What if durability damage was added at the end of dungeon? Then your gear will not break during dungeon, and you can't queue for a dungeon with broken gear (perhaps like 25% durability minimum to enter).

It is a bit silly to have it so one of your team members goes from ilvl 9,000 to ilvl 20 out of no where. Might as well let them queue with ilvl whatever they want, which we don't so I don't see why it's that great to allow the event to happen in the first place.

Although I have to say I've only experienced this issue (on someone else) once in my gaming time. :3

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Originally Posted by Felis

People who always forget to repair the gear should start to level up DoH classes

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While it does help, I still have instances where I forgot to buy more Dark matter for repairs.

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Originally Posted by BrianJ

Durability exists as a gold sink.

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Originally Posted by Legion88

Gear durability is a simple Gil sink.

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These statements would have carried some real weight in September of 2013. While repairs are still a gil sink by definition, they are probably not enough of one to have any real affect on the economy anymore.
When ARR launched, repairs were a worthy enough gil sink that there were threads complaining about the high costs of them. Patch notes from Sep 11th 2013 included :


-In instance dungeon “The Wanderer's Palace” and “Amdapor Keep”, we have increased the amount of AllaganCoins that can be obtained from a treasure chest.
-Reduced the amount of gil required for repair fees and materia removal as follows:

Equipment levels 1-10: 10 gil -> No Change
Equipment levels 11-20: 50 gil -> 30 gil
Equipment levels 21-30: 100 gil -> 60 gil
Equipment levels 31-40: 210 gil -> 120 gil
Equipment levels 41-40: 500 gil -> 200 gil

-Reduced the price of Dark Matter as follows:
Dark Matter G1: 5 gil -> 4 gil
Dark Matter G2: 30 gil -> 12 gil
Dark Matter G3: 70 gil -> 24 gil
Dark Matter G4: 150 gil -> 48 gil
Dark Matter G5: 350 gil -> 80 gil

People back then actually went out of their way way to open a chest in the hopes they'd get 1000 gil. Or use /return after the run was over to pick up any skipped coffers, even if it meant dying to get them. Also, Grade 6 Dark Matter costs 120 gil. Just thought I'd add that in there to compare to Grade 5 prices from launch.

Then in patch 2.1 SE started adding gil as a monster drop in dungeons for all the people who STILL couldn't afford to repair their gear. This is arguably where the majority of RMT gil may come from to this day, if you've ever noticed the 4 man BLM parties popping in and out of duties all day long.

TL : DR
Repairs used to be a decent gil sink. People whined about it, SE catered, and we're all worse off for it now.

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Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro

Then in patch 2.1 SE started adding gil as a monster drop in dungeons for all the people who STILL couldn't afford to repair their gear. This is arguably where the majority of RMT gil may come from to this day, if you've ever noticed the 4 man BLM parties popping in and out of duties all day long.

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Honestly, if people still cannot afford to repair, they're trying for it.

It takes countless deaths to actually break gear from 100% condition, and the only type of person who would actually benefit from this is someone who is constantly doing roulettes without even taking a break to manage their gear and has back-to-back queue times. Even then it would take hours, and the solution is still solved by parking your rear derriere next to a mender before you queue. If you're that hurting for on-the-go repairs, then you should actually invest in the system that already exists instead of making crafters even more irrelevant than they already are.

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Originally Posted by Adire

Why must it be like that though? Just because?

I can think of no good reason to have it that way than just to annoy players.

Not to mention, you can have other players who choose not to craft ruin YOUR run. Ever had a tank go in who forgot to repair and had to leave, only for the rest of the group to wait around for a replacement that never comes?

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Thinking ahead of time is annoying? I do not really care if they change it or not, but having such a change just tells me it is again catering to people that have no foresight.

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Originally Posted by The_Last_Dragoon

It takes countless deaths to actually break gear from 100% condition, and the only type of person who would actually benefit from this is someone who is constantly doing roulettes without even taking a break to manage their gear and has back-to-back queue times. Even then it would take hours, and the solution is still solved by parking your rear derriere next to a mender before you queue. If you're that hurting for on-the-go repairs, then you should actually invest in the system that already exists instead of making crafters even more irrelevant than they already are.

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They could let players repair others gear, no idea why it was taken out in the first place. It should be like 1.0, skyhigh mender NPC prices after level 10 to give reason for crafters to exist, same goes for the materia NPC, I was infuriated when that was released and I got no clue why it was. Make gil mean something, make crafting really mean something, why is this so hard of a concept for 2.0+?

It is practically impossible to go into a dungeon with 100% durability, and leave with 0%.

It is pure laziness.

Adding an NPC in a dungeon will be a huge inconvenience to a lot of people because it creates a new standard. People will enter with 10% durability with the intention to repair inside. They will then hold other people up while they run over to the NPC to repair. Even better, some will likely wait until their gear breaks halfway through the dungeon, forcing others to stand around and wait for them to run back to the start of the dungeon to repair.

I have also played MMOs with repair NPCs inside the dungeon. This happens, and much more frequently than I run into people with broken gear in a dungeon in this game..

Convenience for 1 person is often an inconvenience for others.

Just repair your damn gear outside or quick-synth your way to level 60 on BSM / LTW / WVR / ARM. Hell, even if you just focus on BSM, at least your weapon won't break and you will be able to do stuff.

As for the inventory space, that is the most stupid excuse I have ever heard. You have 100 slots. You can spare 1 slot so you can repair your damn gear....

I actually think a repair npc right inside the dungeon would be fabulous. What reason is there not to be one.

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Originally Posted by Sainya

I actually think a repair npc right inside the dungeon would be fabulous. What reason is there not to be one.

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Might be weird lore to have a unique npc at each dungeon entrance, that said I could think of two ideas I wouldn't mind at least. A. traveling merchant that perchance is near when you need, like in FFX and loads of RPGs that cute "omg its you again, I know I'm right outside the pits of the underworld but LOL buy something?" and you develop that relationship. Could be a cute side like content. It's still a little weird, but I feel its an acceptable trope now heh.

B. In my search for SE to bring my helpful moogle back ala FFIX/FFXI - we could earn a kupo whistle that we can upgrade with services including repairing.

While I think its a bit silly to go into a dungeon with broken gear and people should feel a bit goofy doing that but, I don't really agree with people with the like "welp you're screwed, suffer now" since that includes the entire party having to suffer through it too. Besides, I reaaallly want a kupo buddy. An ofc add other features like being able to summon basic merchant, or perhaps even send him on a short item grab/deposit mission.

Like, Kupo?

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Originally Posted by Sainya

I actually think a repair npc right inside the dungeon would be fabulous. What reason is there not to be one.

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Crafters lose another unique aspect of their work. Also, you might as well at that point remove repair npc's outside of dungeons, since you can just queue for one anywhere due to unsynced.

I'm all for convenience additions, especially if it irritates people who don't really have a concrete reason against it.

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Originally Posted by Sainya

I actually think a repair npc right inside the dungeon would be fabulous. What reason is there not to be one.

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Also, dungeons are dangerous. That's why they usually have NPCs outside of them keeping others out. If you haven't noticed, most menders look like merchants with having never lifted a weapon in their life save to sell it.

Immersion, please keep it.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Also, dungeons are dangerous. That's why they usually have NPCs outside of them keeping others out. If you haven't noticed, most menders look like merchants with having never lifted a weapon in their life save to sell it.

Immersion, please keep it.

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Two words disprove your argument: Yokai Watch.

It's entirely possible for the merchant to sit at the entrance where it's perfectly safe, or even to have a couple of guard NPCs with him. There are far more "immersion breaking" things to worry about in the game.

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Originally Posted by Adire

You make it sound as if forgetting [to repair] is an intentional, conscious choice.

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Except that it is. Immediately after exiting a dungeon, you can make an intentional, conscious choice to repair your gear. If you make this choice, then your gear will be at 100% next time you enter a dungeon. If you make the choice to do anything else, perhaps because you think you have anything better to do than repair your gear, you're choosing not to repair your gear. If you make this choice several times in a row, and your gear breaks in the middle of a dungeon, there is a more than adequate system in place to handle it: you leave the dungeon and take the well-deserved thirty minute penalty for making the wrong choice too many times.

There are more than enough opportunities to make the right choice outside of the dungeon, and based on the rest of this thread, it's clear that broken gear is not a result of people not understanding which choice is correct, or even that a choice has to be made. The devs shouldn't add an accommodation for people who understand what's expected of them but choose not to do it.

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Originally Posted by Altena

It is practically impossible to go into a dungeon with 100% durability, and leave with 0%.

It is pure laziness.

Adding an NPC in a dungeon will be a huge inconvenience to a lot of people because it creates a new standard. People will enter with 10% durability with the intention to repair inside. They will then hold other people up while they run over to the NPC to repair. Even better, some will likely wait until their gear breaks halfway through the dungeon, forcing others to stand around and wait for them to run back to the start of the dungeon to repair.

I have also played MMOs with repair NPCs inside the dungeon. This happens, and much more frequently than I run into people with broken gear in a dungeon in this game..

Convenience for 1 person is often an inconvenience for others.

Just repair your damn gear outside or quick-synth your way to level 60 on BSM / LTW / WVR / ARM. Hell, even if you just focus on BSM, at least your weapon won't break and you will be able to do stuff.

As for the inventory space, that is the most stupid excuse I have ever heard. You have 100 slots. You can spare 1 slot so you can repair your damn gear....

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nice point, /thread

with that said, SE this is a bad idea for this very reason, please stop catering to the ultra lazy

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

im up for it if it cost x10 time what it cost outside. That NPC is risking his life for the lazy people.

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They should totally make an anime out of this premise.

Here's a fun idea. If this actually happens, I want gear durability to mean something.


Broken gear needs to actually be destroyed. for good. gone. It's like permadeath with gear!

I wonder how many people will forget after that. Oh who am I kidding, the only people this -actually- helps are people that never open their character menu until their gear is already 0% anyway. they gon' be all naked.

Even playing since 1.0 I have never had this issue, it's not needed at all.

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Originally Posted by _slowpoke_

You can already repair in dungeons, all you need is the appropriate crafters for your gear leveled to 50 (and some Dark Matter).

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Doesn't even need to be level 50, level 40 and you can repair.

@OP its not hard to get crafters to 40 plus you only need Weaver Leatherwork Armorer Blacksmith Goldsmith ( only some depending on the jobs you play )

"Not everyone crafts"

All you have to do is turn in 1 items for each job everyday at your GC and you'll be 40 in a few weeks. You don't even need to do the job quests to unlock repair. You never need to craft to level crafting lol!

The comments on this thread continue to amuse me. Thanks whoever necro'd it :P

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Originally Posted by Rongway

If you make this choice several times in a row, and your gear breaks in the middle of a dungeon, there is a more than adequate system in place to handle it: you leave the dungeon and take the well-deserved thirty minute penalty for making the wrong choice too many times.

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Not gonna bother debating the things you said since I've debated them over and over and people keep just repeating everything, but I will respond to this part.

If my gear breaks, the group can either deal with it or kick me. Not going to eat a penalty because I made an honest, non-conscious mistake and because the game lacks any defense against this short of forcing crafting into combat scenarios. Since I usually tank in DF, everyone suffers either way if this happens because of how the game is. And that's how it will have to stay I guess. Can't repair in the dungeon, if I leave/get kicked they get to wait forever on a replacement. But tough, right? Have to preserve muh standards!

Wish people were more open to QoL suggestions like this. The Secret World had this feature and it was universally loved. But ah well.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

All you have to do is turn in 1 items for each job everyday at your GC and you'll be 40 in a few weeks. You don't even need to do the job quests to unlock repair. You never need to craft to level crafting lol!

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Yeah, I'm very guilty of doing this, weaver, blacksmith, armorer, and leatherworker all from lv1 to lv60 from just GC turn ins, didnt even craft the items I simply bought them off marketboard, only took about month, so yeah not crafting is a pretty lame excuse when you can so easily laze through them.