from what the others said, when materials prices go down, the crafted gears related to those materials go down as well, so they're getting less money.Quote:
Originally Posted by aesteval
FFXIV: Cheat 2 Win - The New Norm?
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02-02-2017, 10:35 PMEvangela
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02-02-2017, 10:47 PMaesteval"Less money" meaning the transaction amount from a sale is a meaningless metric. Profit margin is the useful metric. Bots deflate prices faster and harder than an actual player would. Do you really think that the crafters that you so despise are going to pass along the savings to you? They're still going to charge what the market will bear for the item no matter how cheaply they acquire mats and increase their own profits as much as they can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
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02-03-2017, 02:14 PMNessaWyvern
I got put off rated feast by cheaters. When someone with the Heavy status can run faster than a sprinting ninja, it's not fun.
Also this. I jack up the price if I am the only one selling the item on the MB, even if I got all the mats free from gathering.. Eheheh...:DQuote:
Originally Posted by aesteval
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02-03-2017, 02:20 PMNessaWyvernI agree, gatherer bots actually help crafters, in the way of cheap crystals and mats. It's the gatherers that suffer.Quote:
Originally Posted by aesteval
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02-03-2017, 02:39 PMEvangela
Then why should we care about gatherer bots? The only ones suffering are those people who play MMO just so they can be a miner, a botanist, and a fisher. It's like 2-3 people per server anyway.
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02-03-2017, 02:54 PMJeSuisR
It would be wonderful if the producers remove the in-game rewards from PvP Feast Ranked Solo/Group, there should be just "titles" as rewards maybe if it's just a title we will see less cheaters in the game.
I was a active PvPer Feast player (Silver tier S1-S2), I took a break from feast to focus on Savage content for a while, I tried to get back to Feast so I played 2 PvP Ranked match this current season and I witnessed popular well-known PvPers cheating and purposely losing the match.
First match I got this tank who seemed like he was new to PvP Feast Rank, he let the healer free cast heals the entire run and he was only going hitting the other tank. I told him to get the healer, he wouldn't listen to me and kept on hitting the other tank. In the end we lost, I couldn't kill anyone because the healer was free casting and healing everyone, I tried to get the healer but the DPS would gang up on me.
Second match: I got the SAME tank and group, I told the tank in caps to please focus the healer and don't let the healer free cast again and please stop focusing the tank. He then told me in the partychat that he is this guy "Hey, Ralph... it's me (name) this is my alt" I was shocked when he said he was the tank who I admired since S1 , he didn't play like that tank at all. In his main character, he would tank so good as a warrior and even kill the healer himself... but his alt warrior played nothing like this, it was just a confused warrior looking for a loss.
In other words, he played like a newbie not knowing what he is doing and making rookie mistakes.... I lost my second match even though I told him to focus the healer, I noticed that the entire group from the other team ganged up on me ONLY. I was a SMN and I gottem 3-4 kills and we were ahead, the tank had most medals but for some reason he ran to the group and died.
I knew he was cheating and did not wanted to win. I don't understand why people have "alts" for PvP, there's NO weekly lockouts for PVP loot or anything, the only reason he got an alt is to cheat the game and help the other side win. I noticed there's a few well-known so called "good/pro" PvP players who recently made PvP "alts" as well. I have seriously lost my respect to every single player who I used to admire in PvP Feast.
These new "rewards" has only enabled cheaters to cheat more and get away with it. -
02-03-2017, 04:02 PMHito-Shura
Not sure if it was mentioned in this thread before but there are cheaters in Gold Saucer too.
Players, standing idle, seemingly never below an afk icon, playing the same mini-game non-stop for hours and hours. If these people aren't bots... I don't know what they are... I worked hard these past 3 days to get my Archon Throne but no doubt they can achieve what I accomplished in a week at best by doing nothing.
It is very frustrating and even game killing for a returning player hoping to get back into the game. Witnessing such obvious and unpunished cheating is making me already lose hope for the game I was hoping to enjoy again. -
02-03-2017, 04:22 PMMwynnI can't take you serious anymore. Just open the Player Search and look, espescially on a overpopulated if not way to crowded Server as Balmung.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
Not sure if your Posts are just Troll Attempts or being misinformed.
If you've nothing to contribute to this Thread then leave it...
In short : You like the Inflation those Gatherer Bots cause as a Crafter? Congratulation, you're a official Bot Supporter if you still continue to buy their Stuff! -
02-03-2017, 04:30 PMEvangelaAll you do is explaining how the bots hurt those players but not giving me any reason why I should hate them or how they hurt me.Quote:
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02-03-2017, 04:33 PMMwynnI told you 2-3 Times already before that Gatherer Bots gather 24/7 and hurt Gatherers that Way by putting 99x Stacks on the entire Marketboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
Who in the hell would buy 99x Stacks of Luminium Ores / Smithsonite Ore or Meteorite as a Crafter? Nobody, so it does indeed hurt the Crafters.
There you have it.
You should hate them simply because those People Cheat in a MMORPG involving other People playing it. Given the Fact you pay for the Game, you play via Hand and they don't do it.
Damn, I pay the Subscription mainly because I want a Community that is Active and not being automated by Bot Programs where you can't even speak to People if the Game would be infested.
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02-03-2017, 04:42 PMEvangelaBut I'm not a gatherer nor a crafter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwynn
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02-03-2017, 04:43 PMMwynnThat doesn't matter, they still cheat and use 3rd Party Tools and have Advantages over you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
Not only the Catigory Gathering/Crafting, Bots are able to Grind most stuff such as FATEs, Dailies, Tomestones, Hunts and other stuff.
How does that not hurt the PvE Environment?
It's still about People Cheating and liking them because they put low Prices on the Marketboard is Supportive in a Way, hence Bot Supporting.
It's like saying "Good Boy" to your Dog when he ruined your Couch... -
02-03-2017, 04:56 PMEvangelaI don't care about other characters' progress. They can bot to lv60 and get items all they want, as long as they don't take anything away from me directly. If bots steal hunt targets from players then I might care a little bit.Quote:
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Well... in this case the dog didn't ruin my couch though. He ruined my brother's couch. :D -
02-03-2017, 04:58 PMMwynnImagine there is Bots in PvP also, Speed Hacking their Way like one said before. Now couple that with Teleporting around and that sure makes a difference in the outcome of the PvP Duty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
It's not only that Stuff about Gathering/Crafting, People did so in Coil T5 / T8 before and got their Kills, lucky for us Players those People got banned.
They're present in every Gameplay Aspect, some are hidden and some are obvious to detect, yet they do hurt the Environment in some aspects, even if it is Gold Saucer Bots...
People that grind the MGP with their hands all Day playing those Minigames feel hopeless and actually "hurt" in that case. -
02-03-2017, 05:36 PMEvangelaIf they do that in PvP, of course I'll care. But they don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwynn
Gold Saucer bots farming MGP? again I don't care about other characters' progress, as long as they don't take anything from me directly. I'm not that petty. No one can hurt me just because they're riding on a Fenrir. It's dumb. -
02-03-2017, 07:02 PMMagic-Mal---GOOGLE TRANSLATE---Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
"It's okay that those guys kill people. As long as they don't kill me"
"It's okay if this team used steroids to get 20 gold medals. As long as I don't have to compete against them." -
02-03-2017, 07:25 PMMwynnIt's quite funny how she thinks I directed that to her, in the end she doesn't care because she won't. So if she doesn't care, why is she here and tries to argument?Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic-Mal
It's like the Bots are not doing anything to her, so why do care about this Thread and make stuff up I do wonder. She doesn't care ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
She should, as She is actually "Part" of the Community, speaking of that Post Counter.. I wonder if her "I don't care" Mentality is actually true in the end.
If not so well, that wouldn't make sense at all as she always finds a Thread she cares about!
In the End I love that said Person also does care about PvP and how PvP is so abused by cheesing/cheating it out via Win Trading or Botting but she does not care, as she just doesn't.
Logic, People, this is Logic! -
02-03-2017, 07:27 PMEvangelaCheating in sport competitions is taking something from the others directly since there're limited gold medals and cheaters will take them away from the others. Gathering bots are obtaining things from unlimited resources. Gold Saucer bots aren't taking my Fenrir, it's a Fenrir from the system and they're unlimited.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magic-Mal
Killing people is wrong. But I'm not gonna come out on the street, yelling about how much I hate them. It's the polices and the courts' job to deal with them. Just like the bots, it's GM's job. They're gonna do their job whether I hate bots or not. It doesn't matter. -
02-03-2017, 07:37 PMMwynnWrong, without the Community working against the Bots the Game would be flooded with them. We have to Report them in the end making the Life of the GMs easier to investigate. Something you maybe didn't understand eh, but you don't care as you don't bother to Report Cheaters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
Hence we got that RMT Report Button as the RMT Spammers in the Cities were too much in the end making hell outta the Job of a GM. -
02-03-2017, 08:30 PMNessaWyvernMaybe people actually want their classes they get to 60 to be rewarding. Imagine getting your combat classes to 60, and finding that they were almost useless. I do gathering when waiting for queues, and gathering can be fun, chasing down the nodes, getting collectables, etc. It's not fun when that effort gives you no rewards. Besides, what's wrong with becoming a miner/botanist/fisher in an MMO? People can play the game how they want as long as it doesn't adversely affect others.Quote:
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02-03-2017, 08:44 PMMagic-MalThe point I was making was that if someone is doing something wrong/bad you stop them from doing it over and over. Because it's bad. Unlimited resource or not, it's bad. It's a crime.Quote:
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02-03-2017, 09:02 PMEvangelaI'm paying taxes to hire cops to deal with criminals. It's not my job to confront them. And I've already done my part by paying taxes aka subscription fee in this game. What else do you want me to do? Chase after them, capture screenshots, and keep bashing their owners on the internet and hope they're gonna read my comments?Quote:
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02-03-2017, 09:28 PMMagic-MalHow do you think criminals are caught? Police just find them on their own?Quote:
Originally Posted by Evangela
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02-03-2017, 11:07 PMEvangelaIn this case, criminal bots can be seen very clearly. No need to report them. Me hating on them isn't gonna help them get caught. So why would you people demand me to hate them?Quote:
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02-04-2017, 12:26 AMKhemorex
i found it pretty funny when Blizzard started banning bots from WoW , and someone on a german website complained that he cant play with his bot software anymore XD , he has no more reason playing the game without cheating and thus quitting WoW for good :P
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02-04-2017, 02:00 AMaesteval1) other people aren't as selfcentered and understand what's going on even if it doesn't negatively impact then and care from that regard.Quote:
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02-04-2017, 02:14 AMaestevalSomebody in this thread (I won't say who) may regularly and persistently exhibit behaviors that someone could describe as sociopathic in nature. On a persistent basis at that too. Just something to be aware of.Quote:
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02-04-2017, 03:59 AMMoonlite
Not supporting bots. But I wonder about how slowly action gets taken. On a server like Balmung and other heavy crafting servers. I don't think current crafting could be maintain at this level. They would literally bleed the MB dry. Inflation would be through the roof. Other servers may balance better and already be in balance.
A lot of things that aren't glamour, pets, or brand new is below vendor if it has a vendor. If feeling lazy I can usually buy GC turn in items for at least 5k-10k less then what vendor sells for. -
02-07-2017, 12:28 PMHaelseMikiroYou make it sound as if if non-JP crafters are arbitrarily making up prices. If they stayed at 200k/500k for months, then that is exactly what they're worth in those economies. JP players tend to be much more self sufficient = less buyers for a product = lower prices. Also there's a very real difference in the RMT presence on JP worlds = less inflation of the economy = lower prices across the market board on almost everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zojha